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Jun 5 2014, 04:23 PM
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I haven't liked Gabi since the very first episode I watched. It wasn't just that she killed Nick. I remember the first episode I watched she purposely broke Melanie's vase to catch Chad's attention and I haven't liked her ever since. Everything she did to Melanie just pissed me off and she got into arguments with people way too often.
Gabriella did nothing to Mel Mel, Andrew did. Gabi hired Andrew to stalk her, not Melanie.
That makes no sense Kinay. Gabi is totally responsible for what happened to Melanie. I am so fed up with repeating myself. Gabi hired Andrew. If she hasn't hired him none of that other shit would have happened. Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it.
Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.)
She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.)
Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y).
But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most.
Morally, that's a different matter.
But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail.
Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take.
So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail.
And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
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Gabriella did nothing to Mel Mel, Andrew did. Gabi hired Andrew to stalk her, not Melanie.
That makes no sense Kinay. Gabi is totally responsible for what happened to Melanie. I am so fed up with repeating myself. Gabi hired Andrew. If she hasn't hired him none of that other shit would have happened.
Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing. When did I ever say anything about it being illegal? You're right that it is morally wrong and that is the reason I don't like Gabi. She knew it was morally wrong yet she did it anyway. I don't think blackmail has anything to do with the reason I don't like Gabi.
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Jun 5 2014, 04:30 PM
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I'm sorry but I don't think Gabi should get reduced chargers for killing someone. Yes he blackmailed her and almost everyone but I still think it's wrong for her to kill him. What she did to Melanie is also wrong. If she was a true friend she wouldn't have done that. She chose to hire a stalker. She didn't know he would go crazy on her but if she hadn't hired a stalker none of that would have happened. She chose to do other things to try and get Chad away from Melanie. Those were choices she made. She didn't have to make those choices. That's just my opinion. You're entitled to disagree
The law in every state recognizes that circumstances in killings matter. Sami and EJ and the hitman would be up a creek for a capital, 1st degree murder charge. However, someone who is in a domestic abuse situation like Gabi was who kills that person would be treated very different from them pretty much everywhere. The fact that Nick blackmailed her and controlled and abused and assaulted would be taken into account. That doesn't mean she wouldn't be punished nor does it mean she had a right to do it, but she would certainly be in a position to negotiate a favorable deal. It's even true that many states have a crime of passion defense that means a person with no history of violence who kills a cheating spouse in anger (or similar circumstances) are treated differently than someone with a history of violence towards the person, male or female. The law doesn't say that a crime of passion is okay, but they recognize that person might be less of a danger to society than someone who kills for profit or is regularly violent. So, Gabi would certainly have a right to defend herself and negotiate whatever deal she could get. A friend of mine was involved in the Clara Harris case in Houston. Harris was a dentist who ran over her louse of a husband with her car, and then turned around for another pass. He died. That was always second degree, since it was unplanned. But my friend says that even the prosecutors recognized that her husband was so awful to her that they were going to have a serious problem with convicting her. She was convicted in a jury trial, but the prosecution went for lessor charges precisely because of the crime of passion elements and the emotional abuse. And even in hang'em high Texas, most people felt she was treated fairly.
I haven't liked Gabi since the very first episode I watched. It wasn't just that she killed Nick. I remember the first episode I watched she purposely broke Melanie's vase to catch Chad's attention and I haven't liked her ever since. Everything she did to Melanie just pissed me off and she got into arguments with people way too often. This reminds me. Has anyone got a gif of Gabi busting that vase. It was so random it cracked me up at the time. :run:
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Jun 5 2014, 04:40 PM
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And Sami is a perfect example of what it means to live life as a perfect, unselfish person? :rolleyes: Sami has no right to judge Gabi or anybody else for that matter. Gabi has never committed a crime that Sami has never committed herself.
I don't like Gabi and I have the right to not like her. I don't even like CB as an actress. At least Alison Sweeney plays her character well.
CB can act circles around Sweeny. I can't wait for Sami to get what she deserves. No tears will be shed here. Gabi on the other hand will be sadly missed. Totally agree. Just compare the crying scenes. Gabi (CB) cries so naturally and you feel her pain and remorse. Sami (AS) scrunched up her face and looks ridiculous In her crying scenes. Not to mention other scenes with real emotion. AS just does not seem natural to me compared to other actresses.
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Gabriella did nothing to Mel Mel, Andrew did. Gabi hired Andrew to stalk her, not Melanie.
That makes no sense Kinay. Gabi is totally responsible for what happened to Melanie. I am so fed up with repeating myself. Gabi hired Andrew. If she hasn't hired him none of that other shit would have happened.
Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing. I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
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I don't like Gabi and I have the right to not like her. I don't even like CB as an actress. At least Alison Sweeney plays her character well.
CB can act circles around Sweeny. I can't wait for Sami to get what she deserves. No tears will be shed here. Gabi on the other hand will be sadly missed.
Totally agree. Just compare the crying scenes. Gabi (CB) cries so naturally and you feel her pain and remorse. Sami (AS) scrunched up her face and looks ridiculous In her crying scenes. Not to mention other scenes with real emotion. AS just does not seem natural to me compared to other actresses. I disagree. I have no problem with Sweeney's acting. I also like the character of Sami. She is a hot mess and I like watching it.
P.S. Not written to change any minds or to spark debate. Simply wanted to express a viewpoint that is very seldom voiced.
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That makes no sense Kinay. Gabi is totally responsible for what happened to Melanie. I am so fed up with repeating myself. Gabi hired Andrew. If she hasn't hired him none of that other shit would have happened.
Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being. I feel like people aren't reading a word I've written. Now you're making excuses for her yet again. She hired Andrew in the first place. It's her fault
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That makes no sense Kinay. Gabi is totally responsible for what happened to Melanie. I am so fed up with repeating myself. Gabi hired Andrew. If she hasn't hired him none of that other shit would have happened.
Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being. I misunderstood this post. Who is your post in response to?
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Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
I feel like people aren't reading a word I've written. Now you're making excuses for her yet again. She hired Andrew in the first place. It's her fault We're reading what you're saying. We're just disagreeing.
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Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
I misunderstood this post. Who is your post in response to? It's in response to the person whose post I quoted.
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And Sami is a perfect example of what it means to live life as a perfect, unselfish person? :rolleyes: Sami has no right to judge Gabi or anybody else for that matter. Gabi has never committed a crime that Sami has never committed herself.
I don't like Gabi and I have the right to not like her. I don't even like CB as an actress. At least Alison Sweeney plays her character well.
CB can act circles around Sweeny. I can't wait for Sami to get what she deserves. No tears will be shed here. Gabi on the other hand will be sadly missed. I agree.I think AS would be the worst actress on the show were it not for the Paige character.It is understandable that the young woman playing Paige might not be as good as others on the show given that this is her first acting job but not so much with AS who has been on the show for over twenty years.AZ and CB got better as actresses between the time they took roles on the show and now.AS has not.I think she has gotten worse.Gabi is a more sympathetic character to me than Sami.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:02 PM
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- Jun 5 2014, 12:38 AM
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Bev makes a mysterious call and says I can't wait to see you and tell you about the new and improved JJ.
Meanwhile, Paige and JJ arrive at Sonny's and introductions to Ben happen.
Gabi tells Will that Ari likes her feet being rubbed if she can't sleep. Will says we'll talk about you all the time. Gabi says that EJ says Ari will be able to visit and videos and emails will be allowed. Will says we'll send them every day. She cries and says she won't be able to explain to Ari because she's too young and that she's grateful Ari has Will. They hug.
Rafe is telling Mama Hernandez what happened. He tells an Aunt that he wishes he could tell his mother everything will be be okay but he can't. Rafe hangs up and calls that brutal. Jordan says you did everything you could to help Gabi. Rafe says he didn't come close.
While Gabi will have visiting privileges with friends and family,EJ is obviously not familiar with prison life if he thinks Gabi will have access to e-mail and opportunity to receive and view family videos.
Some prisoners are indeed allowed access to such things, and if her plea bargain stipulates that she gets access to such things, then she'll get access to such things. All communications will be monitored and she won't have any expectation of privacy in any correspondence that she sends or receives, as E.J. said, but she'll still be allowed to access emails and view attachments. Generally prisons do not allow prisoners to have computer access for their personal affairs.Access is extremely limited because of the potential for misuse by prisoners who may engage in illegal activity using those computers.Depending on their custody level (minimum,medium,close,maximum,and segregation),they may have limited access for a prisoner work assignment or legal process in the presences of attorneys and prison officials such as a deposition.Most plea agreements address the charge and duration of the sentence not prison conditions although some wardens do give attempt to locate prisoners at facilities near or far as a courtesy to law enforcement officials.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:08 PM
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Gabi's going to soap prison, though, and she's in good with a Dimera and her brother is a cop. She might get a personal tablet or laptop.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:11 PM
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- Jun 5 2014, 03:56 PM
It honestly really boggles my mind that people make excuses for Gabi. Mine boggles at the excuses for Stefano,Kate,EJ,Sami,and to a certain extent Will.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:21 PM
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Haiden's post-breakdown chat: Spoiler: click to toggle Aiden's "awesome lady" pep talk (& pre-flirting): Spoiler: click to toggle I absolutely love the first photograph in the breakdown set.I have so used to Hope being without Bo,I was actually startled when I saw his picture on her phone.Hope and Aiden look great together.I am happy they stopped adding so much gray to his hair.The show really needs to do something about Bo right now.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:29 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbecause
That makes no sense Kinay. Gabi is totally responsible for what happened to Melanie. I am so fed up with repeating myself. Gabi hired Andrew. If she hasn't hired him none of that other shit would have happened.
Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being. Did you post a clip of this? I can't remember.Do you remember the date this occurred? I am asking because I want to find that episode so I can watch it. I was watching daily around this time and I just don't remember hearing Gabi say this.
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Jun 5 2014, 07:35 PM
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Gabi's going to soap prison, though, and she's in good with a Dimera and her brother is a cop. She might get a personal tablet or laptop. LOL.I am trying to inject reality into a soap.My mistake.You are absolutely correct.I don't know what I was thinking. :)
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Jun 5 2014, 07:52 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepbecause of Sami. he seemed to think that ej was involved because he was doing Sami's bidding. it seemed odd because i expect him to mistrust ej because of their history, not because of sami with whom he has a good relationship. Unless he knows about rivergate, I don't understand why he would think that sami was behind his sister's predicament. if he knows about rivergate, why is he blaming just sami and not Kate? he even said that marlena could not be trusted either because she is sami's mother. That scene did not make sense to me.
I posted that he basically talked her out of mentioning Rivergate.I could have been more precise and posted that he did not encourage her to provide mitigating information to the police.During the Monday episode EJ said they could fight the charge on the basis of Gabi being afraid of what Nick would do to her ,she pointed out if she did so,she would risking sending him,Will,Sonny,and Sami to jail.Once she said that EJ let it go.In fact when the DA asked Gabi how Nick would be able to send her to prison,EJ interupted saying he was advising his client to stop but once Gabi started talking about Andrew,he sat back and shut up.With Nick's past prison record and history with Melanie,any unbiased ethical attorney who knew of Rivergate would have told Gabi that revealing that Nick manipulation of the NY modeling contract,physical attack on her when she told him she was turning down that offer,and subsequent blackmail would make it less likely that she would be charged with first degree murder, could result in a manslaughter charge,and considerably lessen the time she would likely spend in prison away from her daughter.EJ did not of this.If Aiden had been her attorney,he would likely actively encouraged Gabi to present the best defense to the charge so that she would not be away from her daughter any longer than necessary. Supergirl while I was watching the 6-2-14 episode on the NBC website,Sami's shoes were clearly shown at the 8:19 mark.They are a wonder to behold,truly grotesque.If you have the time,can you please go to the site and screen cap Sami 's shoes.Its when she enters the room at the police station to talk to Will,Sonny,and Lucas.
If she were to mention rivergate, how would that help her? she has no proof or evidence that Nick tried to rape her. All the evidence were destroyed. She could claim that Nick tried to rape her, but there are no witnesses except the ones who saw the argument at the square where she threatened Nick. She never reported the attempted rape and put it on record. Rapes in general are very hard to prove. But in Gabi's case, it is next to impossible after all those months. If I were Kami and Gabi threw me under the bus, I would deny deny deny. In fact, I would turn on her so fast she would not know what hit her. Granted Hope can place Sami by the river. But Sami can say that she came in after Gabi assaulted Nick and she was going to the police, but Gabi forced her to keep quiet as she threatened to take off with Ari. So she kept her mouth shut to protect Ari from her crazy mother. Then Gabi will say that Kami helped her drag the body into the river. Knowing Kami, they will deny it and Gabi can not prove that they ever threw Nick in the river. There is no proof, no evidence to support any of it thanks to Ej's cleaners LOL. No witnesses since ej made sure Mr. greeting is gone forever and Nick is dead. it is Gabi's word against Kami's. I don't see the DA taking the word of a confessed killer against the word of 2 powerful executives with strong connection to the community, no apparent strong motive. If she brings up rivergate, I can assure you that it will make it worst for her because it will show prior intent as she tried to kill before and failed. so she just finished what she started before by shooting him dead. It is not what you know, it is what you can prove.
I was responding to the portion of the post about Aiden being the better choice for Gabi as an attorney than EJ since his desired to "help" Gabi is secondary to his desire to protect Sami.If you watch the video posted by KAM in the Tuesday thread you will see that Sami and Kate both sent texts about meeting in the park near the river and made telephone calls.Kate also made the telephone calls using Nick's telephone.If the police issued subpoena's to the telephone companies,they could get copies of the texts and they can triangulate where everyone was when the telephones were used.Gabi has a cohesive story that explains all of them being in the park and is consistent with the suspicions of Abby,Hope,and Julie.Nick's phone being used in Salem while he was supposedly in New York.They can probably check video of Nick's property being picked up by someone else and lack any hotel,rental property,credit,bank transactions as well as Nick's employer in New York never having any contact with him.What reasonable explanation will Sami and Kate have for both of them being in the park at the same time as Gabi and the texts they sent on their own and using Nicks's phone.I already loathe and despise Sami,I would love to see Sami sink even lower by lying to the police about Gabi blackmailing her into keeping quiet about hitting Nick with the rock to save her own ass.
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I was responding to the portion of the post about Aiden being the better choice for Gabi as an attorney than EJ since his desired to "help" Gabi is secondary to his desire to protect Sami.
I can't argue whether or not Aiden would make a better attorney for Gabi or not because I honestly don't know. What I do know is that Ej was the one who stepped in to protect Gabi's rights. Hope should have read her her miranda rights before she confessed. to be fair, I doubt it would have made a difference because Gabi seemed determined to confess. Ej is the one who urged Gabi to fight, who stood by her and negotiated a deal with the DA for her. There was no time to pick and choose. Gabi was in deep trouble and ej stepped in. I give him credit for that even if no one else does.
There is no denying that Sami is ej's priority first and foremost. But that does not mean he does not care about Gabi or want to help her. Ironically, ej's dilemma is quite similar to Justin's when he was defending. Justin learned some information about Will that could clear sami by proving Bernardi was indeed dirty. but he chose to keep the info buried in order to respect his client's wishes and to protect Will. I did not think it was unethical because he was going along with what Sami wanted just like Ej is. I thought that Just had conflict of interest for many reasons, but protecting Will was not one of them. By the way, Ej was determined to keep Will's secret buried as well, does that mean he was not looking out for Sami?
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If you watch the video posted by KAM in the Tuesday thread you will see that Sami and Kate both sent texts about meeting in the park near the river and made telephone calls.Kate also made the telephone calls using Nick's telephone.If the police issued subpoena's to the telephone companies,they could get copies of the texts and they can triangulate where everyone was when the telephones were used.
Going back to Kami, I don't see what the big deal is that Kami were calling/texting each other. What does that really prove? that they were at the park at some point with likely dozen of other people? it does not place them at the scene of the crime. Actually the earring places sami there, it is still does not prove that she was involved. She could have been a witness to the crime as I said before. So OK Kate had Nick's phone and made those calls in Salem? All it proves is that Nick never left Salem and was making phone calls while hiding somewhere for whatever reason :shrug: . They have no way of knowing who made those calls, let alone that Kate was the one. It could have been Nick himself for all they know. Kami are family and have a long history, there is nothing out of ordinary about them calling/texting each other or meeting in the park LOL. How many times have people met up in the park for whatever reason? It could have been regarding Will, Allie, business and the list goes on.
Bottom line is Gabi is not a credible witness because she is a confessed murderer and liar. Nothing she says will be taken seriously. Whatever she says will come across a desperate attempt to shift the blame from herself to others. Her confession about Andrew proves she has a history of lying to suit her own selfish needs.
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I already loathe and despise Sami,I would love to see Sami sink even lower by lying to the police about Gabi blackmailing her into keeping quiet about hitting Nick with the rock to save her own ass.
So it is perfectly fine for Gabi to save her own ass by throwing Sami under the bus, but if Sami does it, that means she would sink even lower. OK then. You have every right to loathe Sami, but I fail to see why Sami should roll over and let Gabi destroy her life without fighting back when all she was trying to do was help the selfish little bitch her. It is Sami's God given right to fight back by any mean necessary if Gabi tried to take her down with her. I would do the same.
I am curious to know if you would feel the same if the role were reversed and Sami was the one trying to throw Gabi under the bus. Gabi is in a bad situation for sure, but she brought it on to herself by taking matter into her own hands. if Sami had been the one facing prison for killing Nick, she would have had to own it without trying to blame others for her own mistakes. I see no reason why Sami should sacrifice herself for Gabi. What makes Gabi's life more valuable than hers? what makes Ari having a mother more important than Allie, Johnny and Sydney having their mommy?
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