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Jun 5 2014, 08:20 PM
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Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it. Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.) She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.) Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y). But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most. Morally, that's a different matter. But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail. Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take. So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail. And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
Did you post a clip of this? I can't remember.Do you remember the date this occurred? I am asking because I want to find that episode so I can watch it. I was watching daily around this time and I just don't remember hearing Gabi say this. No clip, but I can link you to a transcript
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Gabi: Wait. Oh, my God, I can't believe it's come to this right now. I just wanted to pretend for you to be my stalker. That's it, that's all I wanted.
Andrew: Well, the stakes have risen.
Gabi: Yeah, because of you-- because you kidnapped somebody.
Andrew: [Laughs] Look, in time, we will release Melanie. But we will do it in such a way where she has no idea who was actually holding her or where it was.
Gabi: Is that even possible?
Andrew: Yes. You see, Melanie hasn't seen my face. And she has no idea about your involvement.
Gabi: Thank God.
Andrew: Hmm. Look, and by the time that we actually do release her, it will be far too late for her and Chad because he will be so in love with you. That is if you still think that you can get him to fall in love with you.
Gabi: Of course I can make him fall in love with me. Just--I--
Andrew: What?
Gabi: Andrew, I don't want my friend to get hurt.
Andrew: Oh, Melanie will be fine. I'll take good care of her, I promise. ------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew: So what's it going to be? Hmm? Are you going to let Melanie go or not?
Gabi: [Sighs] Fine. Keep Melanie out of the way for now. And don't let her get away again.
Andrew: No worries.
Gabi: But I don't want anything to do with what's happening here. All right? The only thing that I'm focused on is getting Chad.
Andrew: As you should.
Gabi: And promise me you're going treat Melanie well.
Andrew: Look, I gave you my word. All right? I'll take good care of Melanie. Don't you worry.
I'm just copying and pasting the parts where she agreed to go along with the plan and not the blackmailing and her initial refusal because the quote would be too long if I didn't. Note that this is from back when Canada got the show a day ahead, so it might have aired on the 6th in the U.S. http://tvmegasite.net/transcripts/days/older/2012/trans-da-07-05-12.shtml
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Jun 5 2014, 08:50 PM
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If she were to mention rivergate, how would that help her? she has no proof or evidence that Nick tried to rape her. All the evidence were destroyed. She could claim that Nick tried to rape her, but there are no witnesses except the ones who saw the argument at the square where she threatened Nick. She never reported the attempted rape and put it on record. Rapes in general are very hard to prove. But in Gabi's case, it is next to impossible after all those months. If I were Kami and Gabi threw me under the bus, I would deny deny deny. In fact, I would turn on her so fast she would not know what hit her. Granted Hope can place Sami by the river. But Sami can say that she came in after Gabi assaulted Nick and she was going to the police, but Gabi forced her to keep quiet as she threatened to take off with Ari. So she kept her mouth shut to protect Ari from her crazy mother. Then Gabi will say that Kami helped her drag the body into the river. Knowing Kami, they will deny it and Gabi can not prove that they ever threw Nick in the river. There is no proof, no evidence to support any of it thanks to Ej's cleaners LOL. No witnesses since ej made sure Mr. greeting is gone forever and Nick is dead. it is Gabi's word against Kami's. I don't see the DA taking the word of a confessed killer against the word of 2 powerful executives with strong connection to the community, no apparent strong motive. If she brings up rivergate, I can assure you that it will make it worst for her because it will show prior intent as she tried to kill before and failed. so she just finished what she started before by shooting him dead. It is not what you know, it is what you can prove.
I was responding to the portion of the post about Aiden being the better choice for Gabi as an attorney than EJ since his desired to "help" Gabi is secondary to his desire to protect Sami.If you watch the video posted by KAM in the Tuesday thread you will see that Sami and Kate both sent texts about meeting in the park near the river and made telephone calls.Kate also made the telephone calls using Nick's telephone.If the police issued subpoena's to the telephone companies,they could get copies of the texts and they can triangulate where everyone was when the telephones were used.Gabi has a cohesive story that explains all of them being in the park and is consistent with the suspicions of Abby,Hope,and Julie.Nick's phone being used in Salem while he was supposedly in New York.They can probably check video of Nick's property being picked up by someone else and lack any hotel,rental property,credit,bank transactions as well as Nick's employer in New York never having any contact with him.What reasonable explanation will Sami and Kate have for both of them being in the park at the same time as Gabi and the texts they sent on their own and using Nicks's phone.I already loathe and despise Sami,I would love to see Sami sink even lower by lying to the police about Gabi blackmailing her into keeping quiet about hitting Nick with the rock to save her own ass.
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I was responding to the portion of the post about Aiden being the better choice for Gabi as an attorney than EJ since his desired to "help" Gabi is secondary to his desire to protect Sami.
I can't argue whether or not Aiden would make a better attorney for Gabi or not because I honestly don't know. What I do know is that Ej was the one who stepped in to protect Gabi's rights. Hope should have read her her miranda rights before she confessed. to be fair, I doubt it would have made a difference because Gabi seemed determined to confess. Ej is the one who urged Gabi to fight, who stood by her and negotiated a deal with the DA for her. There was no time to pick and choose. Gabi was in deep trouble and ej stepped in. I give him credit for that even if no one else does. There is no denying that Sami is ej's priority first and foremost. But that does not mean he does not care about Gabi or want to help her. Ironically, ej's dilemma is quite similar to Justin's when he was defending. Justin learned some information about Will that could clear sami by proving Bernardi was indeed dirty. but he chose to keep the info buried in order to respect his client's wishes and to protect Will. I did not think it was unethical because he was going along with what Sami wanted just like Ej is. I thought that Just had conflict of interest for many reasons, but protecting Will was not one of them. By the way, Ej was determined to keep Will's secret buried as well, does that mean he was not looking out for Sami? - BeeBee
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If you watch the video posted by KAM in the Tuesday thread you will see that Sami and Kate both sent texts about meeting in the park near the river and made telephone calls.Kate also made the telephone calls using Nick's telephone.If the police issued subpoena's to the telephone companies,they could get copies of the texts and they can triangulate where everyone was when the telephones were used.
Going back to Kami, I don't see what the big deal is that Kami were calling/texting each other. What does that really prove? that they were at the park at some point with likely dozen of other people? it does not place them at the scene of the crime. Actually the earring places sami there, it is still does not prove that she was involved. She could have been a witness to the crime as I said before. So OK Kate had Nick's phone and made those calls in Salem? All it proves is that Nick never left Salem and was making phone calls while hiding somewhere for whatever reason :shrug: . They have no way of knowing who made those calls, let alone that Kate was the one. It could have been Nick himself for all they know. Kami are family and have a long history, there is nothing out of ordinary about them calling/texting each other or meeting in the park LOL. How many times have people met up in the park for whatever reason? It could have been regarding Will, Allie, business and the list goes on. Bottom line is Gabi is not a credible witness because she is a confessed murderer and liar. Nothing she says will be taken seriously. Whatever she says will come across a desperate attempt to shift the blame from herself to others. Her confession about Andrew proves she has a history of lying to suit her own selfish needs. ] - BeeBee
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I already loathe and despise Sami,I would love to see Sami sink even lower by lying to the police about Gabi blackmailing her into keeping quiet about hitting Nick with the rock to save her own ass.
So it is perfectly fine for Gabi to save her own ass by throwing Sami under the bus, but if Sami does it, that means she would sink even lower. OK then. You have every right to loathe Sami, but I fail to see why Sami should roll over and let Gabi destroy her life without fighting back when all she was trying to do was help the selfish little bitch her. It is Sami's God given right to fight back by any mean necessary if Gabi tried to take her down with her. I would do the same. I am curious to know if you would feel the same if the role were reversed and Sami was the one trying to throw Gabi under the bus. Gabi is in a bad situation for sure, but she brought it on to herself by taking matter into her own hands. if Sami had been the one facing prison for killing Nick, she would have had to own it without trying to blame others for her own mistakes. I see no reason why Sami should sacrifice herself for Gabi. What makes Gabi's life more valuable than hers? what makes Ari having a mother more important than Allie, Johnny and Sydney having their mommy? I think Hope should have informed the courts that her crimes were committed while she was under the influence of prescribed medication that had serious side effects.I think Gabi,who has a child,should do what she can truthfully and lawfully do to reduce the charges against her and minimize the time she has to be away from her child.I would have no problem with Sami telling the truth to reduce criminal charges against her and doing everything she lawfully can to reduce her sentence.Sami has a history of lying and throwing people under the bus including her own children to get what she wants.After Arianna taped her confession to shooting EJ while he was unconscious, Sami enlisted Will's help to attempt to steal the video from Arianna's purse while Arianna lay dying in the hospital.When Sami decided to help EJ escape custody and go on the run while he was on house arrest for the Stefano shooting,she again involved Will in criminal activity in disabling the electronic monitoring unit so EJ could leave undetected.Sami had no problem with Rafe risking his job to conceal the fact that she shot EJ in the head.Sami is constantly looking out for number #1 which in her book is her.One of the reasons Will was not encouraged to confess about shooting EJ and stealing the evidence of the crime is that EJ pointed out doin so would have given Sami more of a motive to murder Bernardi not solely because she was putting Will first.I can't think of any situation in recent memory where Sami was not willing to sacrifice anyone to save herself.I don't see why should Gabi put Sami and Kate ahead of her freedom sooner to be with her own child. Gabi wanted to confess so that will woud not sign the confession but there was no need for her to make a full statement concerning her actions and sign a confession before talking to Aiden.I am sure the DA and Hope would have waited for Aiden to arrive and confer with Gabi before taping her statement.Gabi could tell Aiden the entire truth about Andrew/Melanie,Rivergate,and shooting Nick.He could objectively give her all of her options and the ramifications of her decision to reveal all or part of what had occured.Gabi is fine with paying for her crime now but after a year in prison,she could regret her decision to forgo any attempt to get a deal for a lesser charge and a shorter sentence. While Sami and Kate are allowed to be in the park they were not shown to be regular visitors there.I don't see what credible reason they could give for the texts and both of them being in the park that night.Nick's phone would verify that the calls were not coming from NY.If they checked with the storage company they would like find out Nick did not pick up his property since most companies have security momitors.As I posted the evidence would be circumstantial but occasionally circumstantial evidence is believed.Also Sami and Kate have had contact with the criminal justice system and Sami is actually living with a crimelord and marrying his son who also does not have the best reputation based on the remark of the DA about EJ sitting in that chair confession.Wonder if that was an anvil.
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Jun 5 2014, 08:50 PM
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Haiden's post-breakdown chat: Spoiler: click to toggle Aiden's "awesome lady" pep talk (& pre-flirting): Spoiler: click to toggle
I absolutely love the first photograph in the breakdown set.I have so used to Hope being without Bo,I was actually startled when I saw his picture on her phone.Hope and Aiden look great together.I am happy they stopped adding so much gray to his hair.The show really needs to do something about Bo right now. I agree about the gray. The first time I saw Aiden I thought "Damn the actor looks way older than his pictures. He looks like he could be Hope's father." Now he looks younger than Hope which of course he is.
I don't know what to do about Bo. It will take a lot for Hope to decide to divorce him. OTOH if he's killed off that means a prolonged mourning period for Hope. And the Haiden storyline is already moving slowly. I can't see Hope falling for another man while she's mourning her newly dead husband.
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Jun 5 2014, 09:04 PM
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I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
Did you post a clip of this? I can't remember.Do you remember the date this occurred? I am asking because I want to find that episode so I can watch it. I was watching daily around this time and I just don't remember hearing Gabi say this.
No clip, but I can link you to a transcript - Quote:
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Gabi: Wait. Oh, my God, I can't believe it's come to this right now. I just wanted to pretend for you to be my stalker. That's it, that's all I wanted.
Andrew: Well, the stakes have risen.
Gabi: Yeah, because of you-- because you kidnapped somebody.
Andrew: [Laughs] Look, in time, we will release Melanie. But we will do it in such a way where she has no idea who was actually holding her or where it was.
Gabi: Is that even possible?
Andrew: Yes. You see, Melanie hasn't seen my face. And she has no idea about your involvement.
Gabi: Thank God.
Andrew: Hmm. Look, and by the time that we actually do release her, it will be far too late for her and Chad because he will be so in love with you. That is if you still think that you can get him to fall in love with you.
Gabi: Of course I can make him fall in love with me. Just--I--
Andrew: What?
Gabi: Andrew, I don't want my friend to get hurt.
Andrew: Oh, Melanie will be fine. I'll take good care of her, I promise. ------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew: So what's it going to be? Hmm? Are you going to let Melanie go or not?
Gabi: [Sighs] Fine. Keep Melanie out of the way for now. And don't let her get away again.
Andrew: No worries.
Gabi: But I don't want anything to do with what's happening here. All right? The only thing that I'm focused on is getting Chad.
Andrew: As you should.
Gabi: And promise me you're going treat Melanie well.
Andrew: Look, I gave you my word. All right? I'll take good care of Melanie. Don't you worry.
I'm just copying and pasting the parts where she agreed to go along with the plan and not the blackmailing and her initial refusal because the quote would be too long if I didn't. Note that this is from back when Canada got the show a day ahead, so it might have aired on the 6th in the U.S. http://tvmegasite.net/transcripts/days/older/2012/trans-da-07-05-12.shtml I read it but two thirds of the dialogue was her saying she did not want him to do kidnap Melanie,she did not want him to hurt Melanie, and she only agreed after he blackmailed her by telling her she would be a co-conspirator if she reported him to the police and that he would let Melanie go without physically harming her since she had never seen his face.
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Jun 5 2014, 09:44 PM
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Did you post a clip of this? I can't remember.Do you remember the date this occurred? I am asking because I want to find that episode so I can watch it. I was watching daily around this time and I just don't remember hearing Gabi say this.
No clip, but I can link you to a transcript - Quote:
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Gabi: Wait. Oh, my God, I can't believe it's come to this right now. I just wanted to pretend for you to be my stalker. That's it, that's all I wanted.
Andrew: Well, the stakes have risen.
Gabi: Yeah, because of you-- because you kidnapped somebody.
Andrew: [Laughs] Look, in time, we will release Melanie. But we will do it in such a way where she has no idea who was actually holding her or where it was.
Gabi: Is that even possible?
Andrew: Yes. You see, Melanie hasn't seen my face. And she has no idea about your involvement.
Gabi: Thank God.
Andrew: Hmm. Look, and by the time that we actually do release her, it will be far too late for her and Chad because he will be so in love with you. That is if you still think that you can get him to fall in love with you.
Gabi: Of course I can make him fall in love with me. Just--I--
Andrew: What?
Gabi: Andrew, I don't want my friend to get hurt.
Andrew: Oh, Melanie will be fine. I'll take good care of her, I promise. ------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew: So what's it going to be? Hmm? Are you going to let Melanie go or not?
Gabi: [Sighs] Fine. Keep Melanie out of the way for now. And don't let her get away again.
Andrew: No worries.
Gabi: But I don't want anything to do with what's happening here. All right? The only thing that I'm focused on is getting Chad.
Andrew: As you should.
Gabi: And promise me you're going treat Melanie well.
Andrew: Look, I gave you my word. All right? I'll take good care of Melanie. Don't you worry.
I'm just copying and pasting the parts where she agreed to go along with the plan and not the blackmailing and her initial refusal because the quote would be too long if I didn't. Note that this is from back when Canada got the show a day ahead, so it might have aired on the 6th in the U.S. http://tvmegasite.net/transcripts/days/older/2012/trans-da-07-05-12.shtml
I read it but two thirds of the dialogue was her saying she did not want him to do kidnap Melanie,she did not want him to hurt Melanie, and she only agreed after he blackmailed her by telling her she would be a co-conspirator if she reported him to the police and that he would let Melanie go without physically harming her since she had never seen his face. Well, sure. I've said all along that Andrew used blackmail (and the prospect of winning Chad's love) as a way to push Gabi to go along with his plan. However, I don't think that's a good excuse. Bottom line is that Gabi knew that Melanie was being held captive, and she told Andrew to keep her for awhile, because she could protect herself and take Melanie's boyfriend. And Andrew had already kidnapped Melanie, so it was foolish of Gabi to trust that he'd just let Mel go without hurting her.
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so our big cliffhanger before the long weekend is Abby & Gabi face to face? mmkay
Well considering her part in the Daysaster, I think that's a pretty big one... I mean it coming out has been two years in the making.
I don't think Abby's and Gabi's conversation will be about Melanie's kidnapping or the Daysaster since Gabi had nothing to do with it. Andrew is the one who caused the explosion not Gabi. Gabi's confession about her part in hiring Andrew to stalk her has not been made public knowledge as far as I've seen so Abby 's confrontation with her friend should be about Nick's shooting.
I think it WILL be about her hiring Andrew. And Abigail may tell Will about it and that Sonny has known about it since Dec. 2012 (Chad told him in confidence) and he kept it from Will all this time. I think that Abby will learn about the fact that Gabi hired Andrew however Gabi plead guilt so no one else would know she had any help at any time so I don't believe that Abby will have the knowledge to tell Will about what Sonny learned from Chad. It also now how what I've read comes off either...
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Jun 5 2014, 10:52 PM
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The law in every state recognizes that circumstances in killings matter. Sami and EJ and the hitman would be up a creek for a capital, 1st degree murder charge. However, someone who is in a domestic abuse situation like Gabi was who kills that person would be treated very different from them pretty much everywhere. The fact that Nick blackmailed her and controlled and abused and assaulted would be taken into account. That doesn't mean she wouldn't be punished nor does it mean she had a right to do it, but she would certainly be in a position to negotiate a favorable deal. It's even true that many states have a crime of passion defense that means a person with no history of violence who kills a cheating spouse in anger (or similar circumstances) are treated differently than someone with a history of violence towards the person, male or female. The law doesn't say that a crime of passion is okay, but they recognize that person might be less of a danger to society than someone who kills for profit or is regularly violent. So, Gabi would certainly have a right to defend herself and negotiate whatever deal she could get. A friend of mine was involved in the Clara Harris case in Houston. Harris was a dentist who ran over her louse of a husband with her car, and then turned around for another pass. He died. That was always second degree, since it was unplanned. But my friend says that even the prosecutors recognized that her husband was so awful to her that they were going to have a serious problem with convicting her. She was convicted in a jury trial, but the prosecution went for lessor charges precisely because of the crime of passion elements and the emotional abuse. And even in hang'em high Texas, most people felt she was treated fairly.
I haven't liked Gabi since the very first episode I watched. It wasn't just that she killed Nick. I remember the first episode I watched she purposely broke Melanie's vase to catch Chad's attention and I haven't liked her ever since. Everything she did to Melanie just pissed me off and she got into arguments with people way too often.
This reminds me. Has anyone got a gif of Gabi busting that vase. It was so random it cracked me up at the time. :run: LOL! I just watched that scene for the first time yesterday! I wasn't expecting it at all. Oh poor Melanie's flowers. :blulaugh:
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No clip, but I can link you to a transcript - Quote:
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Gabi: Wait. Oh, my God, I can't believe it's come to this right now. I just wanted to pretend for you to be my stalker. That's it, that's all I wanted.
Andrew: Well, the stakes have risen.
Gabi: Yeah, because of you-- because you kidnapped somebody.
Andrew: [Laughs] Look, in time, we will release Melanie. But we will do it in such a way where she has no idea who was actually holding her or where it was.
Gabi: Is that even possible?
Andrew: Yes. You see, Melanie hasn't seen my face. And she has no idea about your involvement.
Gabi: Thank God.
Andrew: Hmm. Look, and by the time that we actually do release her, it will be far too late for her and Chad because he will be so in love with you. That is if you still think that you can get him to fall in love with you.
Gabi: Of course I can make him fall in love with me. Just--I--
Andrew: What?
Gabi: Andrew, I don't want my friend to get hurt.
Andrew: Oh, Melanie will be fine. I'll take good care of her, I promise. ------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew: So what's it going to be? Hmm? Are you going to let Melanie go or not?
Gabi: [Sighs] Fine. Keep Melanie out of the way for now. And don't let her get away again.
Andrew: No worries.
Gabi: But I don't want anything to do with what's happening here. All right? The only thing that I'm focused on is getting Chad.
Andrew: As you should.
Gabi: And promise me you're going treat Melanie well.
Andrew: Look, I gave you my word. All right? I'll take good care of Melanie. Don't you worry.
I'm just copying and pasting the parts where she agreed to go along with the plan and not the blackmailing and her initial refusal because the quote would be too long if I didn't. Note that this is from back when Canada got the show a day ahead, so it might have aired on the 6th in the U.S. http://tvmegasite.net/transcripts/days/older/2012/trans-da-07-05-12.shtml
I read it but two thirds of the dialogue was her saying she did not want him to do kidnap Melanie,she did not want him to hurt Melanie, and she only agreed after he blackmailed her by telling her she would be a co-conspirator if she reported him to the police and that he would let Melanie go without physically harming her since she had never seen his face.
Well, sure. I've said all along that Andrew used blackmail (and the prospect of winning Chad's love) as a way to push Gabi to go along with his plan. However, I don't think that's a good excuse. Bottom line is that Gabi knew that Melanie was being held captive, and she told Andrew to keep her for awhile, because she could protect herself and take Melanie's boyfriend. And Andrew had already kidnapped Melanie, so it was foolish of Gabi to trust that he'd just let Mel go without hurting her. I agree that Gabi was wrong to keep quiet about Melanie being kidnapped once she knew what Andrew had done.Gabi should have called or gone directly to the police as soon as she left the house even though she was risking that Andrew would claim she hired him for the purpose of kidnapping Melanie and the police would believe him.At the very least she should have told Rafe immediately what Andrew had done and her role in bringing him to town. I thought you were posting Gabi immediately agreed with Andrew's kidnapping Melanie and told him to hold Melanie hostage while she tried to get Chad to fall in love with her.Gabi agreeing to remaining silent after Andrew threatened to tell the police she was his accomplice in the kidnapping is wrong but different from her finding out about the kidnapping and immediately saying oh,thats a good idea,keep her so I can get Chad.
Edit:Thanks for the link to the site.
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Gabi deserves the way Sami treats her. She is a terrible person
And Sami is a perfect example of what it means to live life as a perfect, unselfish person? :rolleyes: Sami has no right to judge Gabi or anybody else for that matter. Gabi has never committed a crime that Sami has never committed herself.
I don't like Gabi and I have the right to not like her. I don't even like CB as an actress. At least Alison Sweeney plays her character well. So let me get this straight. It's okay for Sami to do bad things because Alison Sweeney plays her well, but it's not okay for Gabi to do bad things because Camila Banus doesn't play Gabi well? Mmkay.
And as a Sami fan, I can say with absolute certainty that Alison Sweeney does NOT always play her character well. There's a lot of things that I feel she gets wrong sometimes. But that doesn't make me hate Sami as a character or AS as an actress. It's just the way it is.
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I think Hope should have informed the courts that her crimes were committed while she was under the influence of prescribed medication that had serious side effects. Hope didn't want to do that. She felt so guilty about the fact that it was her physical body that wanted to kill Bo because her alter-ego had such a strong hate for him. Bo had to do a lot of work to even have Hope agree to let people talk at her sentencing. It was only during Bo's statement on the stand that her being under the influence and having this crazy side effect was even mentioned for the public record.
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I think Hope should have informed the courts that her crimes were committed while she was under the influence of prescribed medication that had serious side effects.
Hope didn't want to do that. She felt so guilty about the fact that it was her physical body that wanted to kill Bo because her alter-ego had such a strong hate for him. Bo had to do a lot of work to even have Hope agree to let people talk at her sentencing. It was only during Bo's statement on the stand that her being under the influence and having this crazy side effect was even mentioned for the public record. I know she felt that way but I disagreed with her decision.Hope as a police officer knew her rights and how the criminal justice system worked.Gabi feels guilty for killing Nick and I believe she honestly regrets the decison but knows she has to "pay her debt to society".There is a difference in actually knowing your rights,options,and the consequences of waiving your rights and making your decision based on that knowledge.I don't think Gabi fully realizes the consequences of pleading guilty without the DA and court being fully aware of all the mitigating factors and like Nicole and Hope,she will likely regret the decision once the realilty of prison life sinks in or she would have if the actress and character were not leaving the show for now.
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I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
I feel like people aren't reading a word I've written. Now you're making excuses for her yet again. She hired Andrew in the first place. It's her fault
We're reading what you're saying. We're just disagreeing. I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. This isn't really an opinional thing. Gabi did what she did and I'm stating facts. I'm not making up things.
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And Sami is a perfect example of what it means to live life as a perfect, unselfish person? :rolleyes: Sami has no right to judge Gabi or anybody else for that matter. Gabi has never committed a crime that Sami has never committed herself.
I don't like Gabi and I have the right to not like her. I don't even like CB as an actress. At least Alison Sweeney plays her character well.
So let me get this straight. It's okay for Sami to do bad things because Alison Sweeney plays her well, but it's not okay for Gabi to do bad things because Camila Banus doesn't play Gabi well? Mmkay. And as a Sami fan, I can say with absolute certainty that Alison Sweeney does NOT always play her character well. There's a lot of things that I feel she gets wrong sometimes. But that doesn't make me hate Sami as a character or AS as an actress. It's just the way it is. You have to realize I've only been watching this show for two years. I am only basing my hatred on Gabi on what I have seen. For the one millionth time I have the right to not like Gabi. You guys act like I'm the only person who cannot stand Gabi.
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The show really did a great job today showing how the Gabi reveal has had a ripple effect across the whole canvas. Everyone's rallying around Wilson and the baby. Theresa even expressed concern. Brady coke dialed Rafe. Hope needed Aiden's comfort. JJ offers his babysitting services - and creates a situation where Paige recognizes Ben. Ben and Jordan talk about their past, albeit obliquely. Jordan gets to be a supportive girlfriend to Rafe.
Meanwhile, the scenes with Gabi and Rafe and Will and Gabi were just outstanding, fully of history and subtext. At first I wasn't too happy in the way Gabi was going to exit, but boy they are making good use of the drama. I have hope that all the major players - Wilson, Rafe and Abigail...are going to be affected by this for all time. In a show that has barely given a goodbye to some major players, this truly felt like the way you write an exit for a character. I agree that it's turned out to be a good exit for Gabi.
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So did Brady remember that he was once in love with Rafe and Gabi's sister Arianna? I always thought that he should have saw a little of Arianna in Gabi. Aha! Now I get it.
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I read it but two thirds of the dialogue was her saying she did not want him to do kidnap Melanie,she did not want him to hurt Melanie, and she only agreed after he blackmailed her by telling her she would be a co-conspirator if she reported him to the police and that he would let Melanie go without physically harming her since she had never seen his face.
Well, sure. I've said all along that Andrew used blackmail (and the prospect of winning Chad's love) as a way to push Gabi to go along with his plan. However, I don't think that's a good excuse. Bottom line is that Gabi knew that Melanie was being held captive, and she told Andrew to keep her for awhile, because she could protect herself and take Melanie's boyfriend. And Andrew had already kidnapped Melanie, so it was foolish of Gabi to trust that he'd just let Mel go without hurting her.
I agree that Gabi was wrong to keep quiet about Melanie being kidnapped once she knew what Andrew had done.Gabi should have called or gone directly to the police as soon as she left the house even though she was risking that Andrew would claim she hired him for the purpose of kidnapping Melanie and the police would believe him.At the very least she should have told Rafe immediately what Andrew had done and her role in bringing him to town. I thought you were posting Gabi immediately agreed with Andrew's kidnapping Melanie and told him to hold Melanie hostage while she tried to get Chad to fall in love with her.Gabi agreeing to remaining silent after Andrew threatened to tell the police she was his accomplice in the kidnapping is wrong but different from her finding out about the kidnapping and immediately saying oh,thats a good idea,keep her so I can get Chad. Edit:Thanks for the link to the site. I agree with you, but where we appear to part ways, is that there's a difference between what a lot of Gabi supporters have been saying about how she was !00% against the kidnapping the entire time and what actually happened here. It's wrong to just keep quiet due to blackmail, but deciding to look on the bright side and attempting to profit from someone else's misfortune is worse.
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I don't like Gabi and I have the right to not like her. I don't even like CB as an actress. At least Alison Sweeney plays her character well.
So let me get this straight. It's okay for Sami to do bad things because Alison Sweeney plays her well, but it's not okay for Gabi to do bad things because Camila Banus doesn't play Gabi well? Mmkay. And as a Sami fan, I can say with absolute certainty that Alison Sweeney does NOT always play her character well. There's a lot of things that I feel she gets wrong sometimes. But that doesn't make me hate Sami as a character or AS as an actress. It's just the way it is.
You have to realize I've only been watching this show for two years. I am only basing my hatred on Gabi on what I have seen. For the one millionth time I have the right to not like Gabi. You guys act like I'm the only person who cannot stand Gabi. Of course you have the right not to like Gabi, and of course I respect that. I was not always a fan of her either. We were just having a discussion about our disagreement of the characters. No one is attacking your opinion :)
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So let me get this straight. It's okay for Sami to do bad things because Alison Sweeney plays her well, but it's not okay for Gabi to do bad things because Camila Banus doesn't play Gabi well? Mmkay. And as a Sami fan, I can say with absolute certainty that Alison Sweeney does NOT always play her character well. There's a lot of things that I feel she gets wrong sometimes. But that doesn't make me hate Sami as a character or AS as an actress. It's just the way it is.
You have to realize I've only been watching this show for two years. I am only basing my hatred on Gabi on what I have seen. For the one millionth time I have the right to not like Gabi. You guys act like I'm the only person who cannot stand Gabi.
Of course you have the right not to like Gabi, and of course I respect that. I was not always a fan of her either. We were just having a discussion about our disagreement of the characters. No one is attacking your opinion :) Right. Please keep in mind that the point of a message board like this one is to discuss the show, the characters, etc, and offer various opinions. If someone doesn't like people disagreeing with their post, this is probably not the right board for them. Disagreements are not "attacks".
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Hey Ellie, where are the daily threads for yesterday and today? I can't find them anywhere.
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Hey Ellie, where are the daily threads for yesterday and today? I can't find them anywhere. Days wasn't on yesterday and not on today because NBC is showing French Open tennis. :yuk:
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