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Wednesday, June 4th Daily Discussion
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KAM


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Jun 6 2014, 02:04 AM
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Jun 5 2014, 05:15 PM

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I feel like people aren't reading a word I've written. Now you're making excuses for her yet again. She hired Andrew in the first place. It's her fault
We're reading what you're saying. We're just disagreeing.
I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. This isn't really an opinional thing. Gabi did what she did and I'm stating facts. I'm not making up things.
Yes, it's "an opinional thing" that you're doing. You are:

* Stating facts (as you recall them, hopefully all accurately)
* Drawing conclusions about cause and effect
* Assigning indirect responsibility for events
* Assessing blame for consequences.

There is plenty of room for disagreement with your positions, IMO.

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Jun 6 2014, 01:12 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:09 PM
Hey Ellie, where are the daily threads for yesterday and today? I can't find them anywhere.
Days wasn't on yesterday and not on today because NBC is showing French Open tennis. :yuk:
Right... sorry. :frownie:
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Jun 6 2014, 01:01 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:55 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:33 AM

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You have to realize I've only been watching this show for two years. I am only basing my hatred on Gabi on what I have seen. For the one millionth time I have the right to not like Gabi. You guys act like I'm the only person who cannot stand Gabi.
Of course you have the right not to like Gabi, and of course I respect that. I was not always a fan of her either. We were just having a discussion about our disagreement of the characters. No one is attacking your opinion :)
Right. Please keep in mind that the point of a message board like this one is to discuss the show, the characters, etc, and offer various opinions. If someone doesn't like people disagreeing with their post, this is probably not the right board for them. Disagreements are not "attacks".
I don't mind if people disagree with my post. It just boggles my mind how anyone could like Gabi after what she did to Melanie. It's not Andrew's fault. It's her fault
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Jun 6 2014, 01:23 PM
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We're reading what you're saying. We're just disagreeing.
I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. This isn't really an opinionl thing. Gabi did what she did and I'm stating facts. I'm not making up things.
Yes, it's "an opinional thing" that you're doing. You are:

* Stating facts (as you recall them, hopefully all accurately)
* Drawing conclusions about cause and effect
* Assigning indirect responsibility for events
* Assessing blame for consequences.

There is plenty of room for disagreement with your positions, IMO.

That is so ridiculous. It is no ones fault but Gabi's that she hired a psycho stalker but hers. As I've said before if she hadn't hired a stalker that never would have happened with Andrew in the first place. She knew exactly what she was doing and she just made things worse. She never bothered to tell anyone what Andrew was doing.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 6 2014, 01:45 PM.
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Jun 6 2014, 01:23 PM
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Jun 5 2014, 06:07 PM

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I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. This isn't really an opinionl thing. Gabi did what she did and I'm stating facts. I'm not making up things.
Yes, it's "an opinional thing" that you're doing. You are:

* Stating facts (as you recall them, hopefully all accurately)
* Drawing conclusions about cause and effect
* Assigning indirect responsibility for events
* Assessing blame for consequences.

There is plenty of room for disagreement with your positions, IMO.

That is so ridiculous. It is no ones fault that Gabi's that she hired a psycho stalker but hers. As I've said before if she hadn't hired a stalker that never would have happened with Andrew in the first place.
We get it. Regardless, there are people who disagree. They have as much right to disagree with you as you have to disagree with them. Can we please all move on?
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lysie
Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM
DaysAddiction
Jun 6 2014, 01:42 PM
KAM
Jun 6 2014, 01:23 PM
DaysAddiction
Jun 6 2014, 02:04 AM

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Yes, it's "an opinional thing" that you're doing. You are:

* Stating facts (as you recall them, hopefully all accurately)
* Drawing conclusions about cause and effect
* Assigning indirect responsibility for events
* Assessing blame for consequences.

There is plenty of room for disagreement with your positions, IMO.

That is so ridiculous. It is no ones fault that Gabi's that she hired a psycho stalker but hers. As I've said before if she hadn't hired a stalker that never would have happened with Andrew in the first place.
We get it. Regardless, there are people who disagree. They have as much right to disagree with you as you have to disagree with them. Can we please all move on?
It's fine to disagree, but I do feel like people are not really considering my opinion. I keep having to repeat the same things over and over again. I honestly feel like people aren't really reading my posts. They're just like you don't like Gabi. You're wrong
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 6 2014, 01:51 PM.
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Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:23 PM

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That is so ridiculous. It is no ones fault that Gabi's that she hired a psycho stalker but hers. As I've said before if she hadn't hired a stalker that never would have happened with Andrew in the first place.
We get it. Regardless, there are people who disagree. They have as much right to disagree with you as you have to disagree with them. Can we please all move on?
It's fine to disagree, but I do feel like people are not really considering my opinion. I keep having to repeat the same things over and over again. I honestly feel like people aren't really reading my posts. They're just like you don't like Gabi. You're wrong
They're reading it. You're just not changing anyone's mind. If you're tired of repeating yourself, then stop. You don't seem to be considering anyone else's opinion either.
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Jun 6 2014, 01:51 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM
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We get it. Regardless, there are people who disagree. They have as much right to disagree with you as you have to disagree with them. Can we please all move on?
It's fine to disagree, but I do feel like people are not really considering my opinion. I keep having to repeat the same things over and over again. I honestly feel like people aren't really reading my posts. They're just like you don't like Gabi. You're wrong
They're reading it. You're just not changing anyone's mind. If you're tired of repeating yourself, then stop. You don't seem to be considering anyone else's opinion either.
I would like to your hear your opinion actually. What do you think of Gabi? It honestly feels like no one agrees with me.
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lysie


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Jun 6 2014, 01:58 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:51 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM

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It's fine to disagree, but I do feel like people are not really considering my opinion. I keep having to repeat the same things over and over again. I honestly feel like people aren't really reading my posts. They're just like you don't like Gabi. You're wrong
They're reading it. You're just not changing anyone's mind. If you're tired of repeating yourself, then stop. You don't seem to be considering anyone else's opinion either.
I would like to your hear your opinion actually. What do you think of Gabi? It honestly feels like no one agrees with me.
I don't have strong feelings about her. I think she was partially responsible for what happened with Melanie but not the explosions and I think it's ridiculous that she's going to prison without a trial for killing someone who tried to rape her and was extorting her.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

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Jun 6 2014, 01:37 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:01 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:55 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 02:11 AM

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Of course you have the right not to like Gabi, and of course I respect that. I was not always a fan of her either. We were just having a discussion about our disagreement of the characters. No one is attacking your opinion :)
Right. Please keep in mind that the point of a message board like this one is to discuss the show, the characters, etc, and offer various opinions. If someone doesn't like people disagreeing with their post, this is probably not the right board for them. Disagreements are not "attacks".
I don't mind if people disagree with my post. It just boggles my mind how anyone could like Gabi after what she did to Melanie. It's not Andrew's fault. It's her fault
How can anyone like anyone on a soap then? How can people like Sami after what she did to her baby sister or Austin? How can anyone like EJ after what he did to Sami? How can anyone like Kate? etc, etc.
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Jun 6 2014, 02:07 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:37 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:01 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:55 PM

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Right. Please keep in mind that the point of a message board like this one is to discuss the show, the characters, etc, and offer various opinions. If someone doesn't like people disagreeing with their post, this is probably not the right board for them. Disagreements are not "attacks".
I don't mind if people disagree with my post. It just boggles my mind how anyone could like Gabi after what she did to Melanie. It's not Andrew's fault. It's her fault
How can anyone like anyone on a soap then? How can people like Sami after what she did to her baby sister or Austin? How can anyone like EJ after what he did to Sami? How can anyone like Kate? etc, etc.
I understand what you're saying. I just don't like Gabi. I find her annoying. Family dynamics are not the same as relationships between friends.
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lysie
Jun 6 2014, 02:03 PM
DaysAddiction
Jun 6 2014, 01:58 PM
lysie
Jun 6 2014, 01:51 PM
DaysAddiction
Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM

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They're reading it. You're just not changing anyone's mind. If you're tired of repeating yourself, then stop. You don't seem to be considering anyone else's opinion either.
I would like to your hear your opinion actually. What do you think of Gabi? It honestly feels like no one agrees with me.
I don't have strong feelings about her. I think she was partially responsible for what happened with Melanie but not the explosions and I think it's ridiculous that she's going to prison without a trial for killing someone who tried to rape her and was extorting her.
You make a valid point. I think everyone should have a trial murder. Do you think she is responsible for what happened with Andrew?
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lysie
Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:42 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:23 PM
DaysAddiction
Jun 6 2014, 02:04 AM

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Yes, it's "an opinional thing" that you're doing. You are:

* Stating facts (as you recall them, hopefully all accurately)
* Drawing conclusions about cause and effect
* Assigning indirect responsibility for events
* Assessing blame for consequences.

There is plenty of room for disagreement with your positions, IMO.

That is so ridiculous. It is no ones fault that Gabi's that she hired a psycho stalker but hers. As I've said before if she hadn't hired a stalker that never would have happened with Andrew in the first place.
We get it. Regardless, there are people who disagree. They have as much right to disagree with you as you have to disagree with them. Can we please all move on?
:hail: Yes. This. A million times - THIS!
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Jun 6 2014, 01:58 PM
lysie
Jun 6 2014, 01:51 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM

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It's fine to disagree, but I do feel like people are not really considering my opinion. I keep having to repeat the same things over and over again. I honestly feel like people aren't really reading my posts. They're just like you don't like Gabi. You're wrong
They're reading it. You're just not changing anyone's mind. If you're tired of repeating yourself, then stop. You don't seem to be considering anyone else's opinion either.
I would like to your hear your opinion actually. What do you think of Gabi? It honestly feels like no one agrees with me.
If what is needed is an affirmation that someone agrees with you to close this subject: I totally agree with you. I think it's Gabi's fault; the whole thing with Andrew, the stalking, the kidnapping and indirectly causing Jack and Madison's deaths.

But, more importantly others have a right to their opinions and they aren't ridiculous in having those opinions and I don't need to understand why they think as they do.


That's pretty much why this is called a "discussion" board and what should make it FUN and interesting.

I hope I'm not outta line. . .
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Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM

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They're reading it. You're just not changing anyone's mind. If you're tired of repeating yourself, then stop. You don't seem to be considering anyone else's opinion either.
I would like to your hear your opinion actually. What do you think of Gabi? It honestly feels like no one agrees with me.
If what is needed is an affirmation that someone agrees with you to close this subject: I totally agree with you. I think it's Gabi's fault; the whole thing with Andrew, the stalking, the kidnapping and indirectly causing Jack and Madison's deaths.

But, more importantly others have a right to their opinions and they aren't ridiculous in having those opinions and I don't need to understand why they think as they do.


That's pretty much why this is called a "discussion" board and what should make it FUN and interesting.

I hope I'm not outta line. . .
That's the exact point I'm trying to make. You read my mind and hit the nail on the head :blulaugh:
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:23 PM

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That is so ridiculous. It is no ones fault that Gabi's that she hired a psycho stalker but hers. As I've said before if she hadn't hired a stalker that never would have happened with Andrew in the first place.
We get it. Regardless, there are people who disagree. They have as much right to disagree with you as you have to disagree with them. Can we please all move on?
It's fine to disagree, but I do feel like people are not really considering my opinion. I keep having to repeat the same things over and over again. I honestly feel like people aren't really reading my posts. They're just like you don't like Gabi. You're wrong
In response to your bullet points that is not what I'm doing so I find that insulting
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Jun 5 2014, 05:15 PM
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Inspired by all this debate, I re-watched some of the scenes. I have been thinking about it.

Gabi didn't do anything illegal when she hired Andrew to fake stalk her. The show even went out of the way to show her refusing to report the stalking, which would have been illegal. It is not illegal to lie to a crush to gain their sympathy, nor is it illegal to fake stuff to do so. (If she had been after money, that would have been different.)

She never told Andrew to do anything illegal, so legally, she's not responsible on that level, and that would make it nearly impossible to pin the explosion on Gabi. However, when she knew of Melanie's situation and did not come forward, that was likely illegal. She would have been far more on the hook that Wilson over the river incident, since they found out about a finished crime not an in-progress one. (In Wilson's case, no jury would ever convict a baby's fathers for not snitching on the mother for trying to kill her attempted rapist and the death never happened.)

Whether Gabi coming forward would have prevented the explosion is probably difficult to prove. It may well have hastened it due to police action (I believe the causes were pretty fuzzy and non-science-y).

But there's no doubt that she knew a crime was being committed, knew Melanie was suffering and was allowed Andrew to blackmail/bully her. Had she come forward after the explosion, however, she probably could have easily argued that she was terrified of Andrew and that would have probably led to probation at the most.

Morally, that's a different matter.

But the conclusion I have drawn is Days needs to put a moratorium on blackmail.

Gabi's brother is a cop. There's no reason why she would have not come forward, no matter what Andrew would have done. Others who got this bullshit suddenly dumb and weak writing recently have been: Will, Sonny, Kate, Sami, JJ, Abigail, EJ and Nicole. None of those characters should have rolled over for a blackmailer. They all had options they mysteriously didn't take.

So in sum, Gabi was the real victim of writers yanking her brain and moral compass to create drama in a way that they have used over and over again. They need to stop with the damn blackmail.

And Rafe should not have arranged for Gabi to remain silent. He should have got her a lawyer and done the right thing.
I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
I feel like people aren't reading a word I've written. Now you're making excuses for her yet again. She hired Andrew in the first place. It's her fault


Let's say Gabi had not hired Andrew. He came to Salem from the institution, lived on the streets and in the tunnels. He used a lighter in the tunnel.

Boom, anyway.

It's the city's fault.


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Jun 6 2014, 03:53 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 02:03 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:58 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:51 PM

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I would like to your hear your opinion actually. What do you think of Gabi? It honestly feels like no one agrees with me.
I don't have strong feelings about her. I think she was partially responsible for what happened with Melanie but not the explosions and I think it's ridiculous that she's going to prison without a trial for killing someone who tried to rape her and was extorting her.
You make a valid point. I think everyone should have a trial murder. Do you think she is responsible for what happened with Andrew?
For what happened to Melanie, I think she's partially responsible. For the explosions, I don't think she's responsible but I do think the families of the people killed deserved the whole story.
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Jun 6 2014, 04:55 PM
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I'd just like to point out that you must have missed the scene where Gabi told Andrew to go ahead and keep Melanie for the time being.
I feel like people aren't reading a word I've written. Now you're making excuses for her yet again. She hired Andrew in the first place. It's her fault


Let's say Gabi had not hired Andrew. He came to Salem from the institution, lived on the streets and in the tunnels. He used a lighter in the tunnel.

Boom, anyway.

It's the city's fault.


What does this have to do with Gabi and Melanie?
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Jun 6 2014, 05:03 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 03:53 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:58 PM

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I don't have strong feelings about her. I think she was partially responsible for what happened with Melanie but not the explosions and I think it's ridiculous that she's going to prison without a trial for killing someone who tried to rape her and was extorting her.
You make a valid point. I think everyone should have a trial murder. Do you think she is responsible for what happened with Andrew?
For what happened to Melanie, I think she's partially responsible. For the explosions, I don't think she's responsible but I do think the families of the people killed deserved the whole story.
I don't think Gabi intended to cause the explosion but I do agree with PALMommy. She
caused it indirectly. As far as how she treated Melanie I think she knew what she was doing and did it on purpose. In terms of Andrew she hired him and then she let things exelate. She didn't handle it well.

Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 6 2014, 05:59 PM.
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