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SOD: Gabi leaves for prison
Topic Started: Jun 6 2014, 01:01 AM (8,027 Views)
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Jun 6 2014, 01:57 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:54 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:50 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 10:00 AM

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Weren't there electrical wires or something that started sparking and caused the explosion? You can twist it any way you want it, but that doesn't make it true. Gabi was responsible for the kidnapping, yes, but she did not cause the explosion that killed Jack and Madison.
IIRC, the explosion happened because Andrew lit a match or used a lighter while he, Gabi and Melanie were in the tunnels. Andrew did inadvertantly cause the explosion and he was only in the tunnels because Gabi didn't turn him in to the police. Gabi's not legally responsible for the explosion, but she's partially morally responsible.
Hmm... I don't remember that at all. Does somebody have a clip? I remember Andrew on the ground and Chad asking him (if I remember correctly) where Melanie was and Andrew said "Ask your friend." Chad turned to Gabi and something started sparking and the explosion happened. But I could be wrong. Somebody please correct me if I am!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OkKMnLe78

The part where Andrew sets off the original, smaller explosion with his lighter is at the very end of the video. It wreaked havoc and created a bunch of exposed wires, which caused the sparks that lead to the Daysaster itself.
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Jun 6 2014, 02:04 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 AM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:36 AM
Of course, Abby will still be Gabi's friend because neither she nor her mother gave a rat's ass about Jack dying. If Daniel had died in that elevator, Abby would never speak to Gabi again.
Abigail doesn't have to forgive Gabi for Jack's death because Gabi had nothing to do with Jack dying...
I'm sorry but this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you. As far as I am concerned Gabi caused the tunnel explosion. There were a bunch of events that preceded the tunnel explosion all caused by her. She hired Andrew to stalk Melanie and then when he turned all crazy she kept her mouth shut and did nothing to make the situation better.
She did not hire him to stalk Melanie she hired him to stalk HER (GABI).....Andrew was the one that was at fault, he was the one that went rogue, started obsessing with Mel instead of Gabi and HE is the one responsible....
I don't see how Gabi could be expected to know if she hired someone to pretend to stalk her,that person would turn out to be a kidnapper or that there would be explosive gas in the tunnel or that Andrew would take Melanie to the tunnels under Salem even though there was a noticeable odor of gas in the area or that Andrew would use a lighter despite the odor of gas.There was a discussion in the square between Brady and I think Chad about the odor of gas in the air.If the odor of gas was detectable in the open air of the square,it should have been overwhelming in the tunnels.I blame city officials for Jack and Madison's death for not evacuating the area given that there was a strong odor of gas in the area.
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Jun 6 2014, 02:12 PM
You know, when I thought about Gabi's role in the explosion being revealed, I wanted Abigail to lash out at her for being responsible for Jack's death. However, now that it's happening, and thinking about it further, Abigail could be upset with Gabi at first, but it's quite out there to blame Gabi. She may have put it all in motion, but in no way could she actually be held responsible for the explosions and those who died in them.

I do like that Daniel has a reaction though. He should. As should Maggie. Melanie may not be a popular character, but those close to her are still around, and should be affected by this.
Melanie knew about Andrew.She didn't tell her father.Is he going to be pissed at her? If his own daughter did not tell him,why should Gabi and Rafe do so,especially since it would likely have resulted in criminal charges against Gabi.Rafe had just as much a right to look out for the best interest of his sister as Daniel does for Melanie.
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Gabi didn't need to predict the exact way that Andrew was going to hurt someone. She only needed to realize that he was not well and that she needed to alert the authorities and try and get him off the streets.

I had softened on Gabi and Andrew because I originally forgot that the gas fumes were so strong that everyone in the tunnels noticed it, but now I'm starting to think they should have faced faced charges over the deaths, the way people who accidentally cause wildfires do.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:23 PM
Gabi didn't need to predict the exact way that Andrew was going to hurt someone. She only needed to realize that he was not well and that she needed to alert the authorities and try and get him off the streets.

I had softened on Gabi and Andrew because I originally forgot that the gas fumes were so strong that everyone in the tunnels noticed it, but now I'm starting to think they should have faced faced charges over the deaths, the way people who accidentally cause wildfires do.
I feel Sami should face charges for shooting an unconscious man in the head.
I feel EJ and Stefano should face charges for kidnapping Rafe and Fay Walker's murder.
I feel that EJ should face charges for embezzling the funds from John's company which caused workers to lose their pensions and a police officer to attempt to murder John.
I feel Kate should have faced charges for attempting to poison Chloe.
Stefano,Kate,Sami,and EJ had more of a causal connection to what happened to their victims than Gabi did by hiring a person to stalk her.
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EJ and Stefano had no way of predicting that Rafe 2 would throw Fay down the stairs, so it's odd that you think the Dimeras are responsible for that, while arguing that Gabi's not responsible for the person she conspired with.

And there are prisons large enough to hold everyone in Salem, and almost all of them belong there. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
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Rather than repeat myself, I'll link to two posts I made back in April
in which I talked about the legalities of Gabi and Andrew:

1) http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/single/?p=9113620&t=9086171

2) http://daytimeroyaltyonline.com/single/?p=9113734&t=9086171
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Jun 6 2014, 01:49 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 AM

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I'm sorry but this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you. As far as I am concerned Gabi caused the tunnel explosion. There were a bunch of events that preceded the tunnel explosion all caused by her. She hired Andrew to stalk Melanie and then when he turned all crazy she kept her mouth shut and did nothing to make the situation better.
Weren't there electrical wires or something that started sparking and caused the explosion? You can twist it any way you want it, but that doesn't make it true. Gabi was responsible for the kidnapping, yes, but she did not cause the explosion that killed Jack and Madison.
Exactly. Stalking a person doesn't cause things to explode. They happened simultaneously but aren't really related. Gabi's responsibility has to do with Melanie, not the explosion. But I agree with tomsawyer that if this had come out sooner it could have provided some nice conflict with Gabi and Abby regardless of who was actually specifically at fault.
Right. I think it's a stretch to blame Gabi for Jack's death, but it's something that a grieving daughter (if Abby would've actually been a grieving daughter, LOL) could easily do. Abby should've been heartbroken over her dad and heartbroken people will look for someone to blame even if it's not entirely logical. I could easily have seen Abby turning on Gabi if she would've known her connection with Andrew and that could've led to some interesting conflict between the two.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:37 PM
EJ and Stefano had no way of predicting that Rafe 2 would throw Fay down the stairs, so it's odd that you think the Dimeras are responsible for that, while arguing that Gabi's not responsible for the person she conspired with.

And there are prisons large enough to hold everyone in Salem, and almost all of them belong there. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Small town teenaged or twenty something Gabi who hired a man with no known criminal record to pretend to stalk her is responsible for a kidnapping and an explosion.
Stefano,longtime crime lord,and EJ,criminal and son of long time crime lord Stefano who hired a convicted felon who agreed to pretend to be a police officer that he (Arnold) knew was going to be kidnapped are not responsible for the criminal behavior,murder, of said convicted felon who agreed to be an accomplince to a kidnapping.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:52 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 05:37 PM
EJ and Stefano had no way of predicting that Rafe 2 would throw Fay down the stairs, so it's odd that you think the Dimeras are responsible for that, while arguing that Gabi's not responsible for the person she conspired with.

And there are prisons large enough to hold everyone in Salem, and almost all of them belong there. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Small town teenaged or twenty something Gabi who hired a man with no known criminal record to pretend to stalk her is responsible for a kidnapping and an explosion.
Stefano,longtime crime lord,and EJ,criminal and son of long time crime lord Stefano who hired a convicted felon who agreed to pretend to be a police officer that he (Arnold) knew was going to be kidnapped are not responsible for the criminal behavior,murder, of said convicted felon who agreed to be an accomplince to a kidnapping.
LOL, instead of framing your post in a way that called me out for a double standard, you should have asked if I thought the Dimeras were responsible for Fay's death, first. If you had, you would have learned that I do.

And Gabi knew Andrew was a criminal. She learned that on the day she found out he'd kidnapped her friend.
Edited by six, Jun 6 2014, 06:05 PM.
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I have to agree that while what Gabi did in the days preceding the Daysaster was shady, she had no way of knowing the depths of Andrew's insanity and what he was capable of. I don't feel she is responsible for causing the death of anyone, except for Nick. As far as everyone else's sins, some people always get a free pass in Salem. I guess it doesn't help a character when the portrayer requests being written off the show!
Edited by Holaamigas, Jun 6 2014, 07:53 PM.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:23 PM
Gabi didn't need to predict the exact way that Andrew was going to hurt someone. She only needed to realize that he was not well and that she needed to alert the authorities and try and get him off the streets.

I had softened on Gabi and Andrew because I originally forgot that the gas fumes were so strong that everyone in the tunnels noticed it, but now I'm starting to think they should have faced faced charges over the deaths, the way people who accidentally cause wildfires do.
I mean definitely if someone is capable of fake staking someone, you should question what other crazy crao they're willing to do. My only issue is with responsibility/blame. Gabi has obviously made a series of bad choices. I wish in general that the show would stop waiting until people leave to make them pay for things just because they don't want to write real stories.
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Jun 6 2014, 06:01 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 05:52 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 05:37 PM
EJ and Stefano had no way of predicting that Rafe 2 would throw Fay down the stairs, so it's odd that you think the Dimeras are responsible for that, while arguing that Gabi's not responsible for the person she conspired with.

And there are prisons large enough to hold everyone in Salem, and almost all of them belong there. I don't think anyone is disputing that.
Small town teenaged or twenty something Gabi who hired a man with no known criminal record to pretend to stalk her is responsible for a kidnapping and an explosion.
Stefano,longtime crime lord,and EJ,criminal and son of long time crime lord Stefano who hired a convicted felon who agreed to pretend to be a police officer that he (Arnold) knew was going to be kidnapped are not responsible for the criminal behavior,murder, of said convicted felon who agreed to be an accomplince to a kidnapping.
LOL, instead of framing your post in a way that called me out for a double standard, you should have asked if I thought the Dimeras were responsible for Fay's death, first. If you had, you would have learned that I do.

And Gabi knew Andrew was a criminal. She learned that on the day she found out he'd kidnapped her friend.
I agree that what Gabi did was wrong and criminal.I just don't agree with calls for her to be exposed and "pay" for what she has done when there are no calls for Stefano,
EJ,Kate,and Sami to be exposed or pay when they have intentionally did much worse than Gabi.I just don't see how Gabi is a selfish bitch willing to do anything to get what she wants while Sami is a savvy kickass badgirl just doing what she has to do to look out for her family and her man and not only should she be given a pass on her past crimes,she is also deserving of a happily ever after.

Edit:Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a convicted felon before they hired him.
Edited by BeeBee, Jun 6 2014, 08:30 PM.
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On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.

And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.

ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
Edited by six, Jun 6 2014, 08:46 PM.
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Jun 6 2014, 01:12 AM
You know what would be nice, if Rafe is pushing Jordan away? To have him confide in Hope. The Hope/Rafe scenes in December were nice (where Rafe's telling Ciara not to give up with the skating & then Hope talks to him about her frustrations regarding Bo's absence), and it would make quite a bit of sense to have another round of discussion between them.
This show likes to forget about friendships (unless they're with Fetch) and the fact that sometimes, having two people discuss the goings on in their life over a cup of coffee is a good thing. It allows the audience to see what's going on inside the characters' heads and see what they're really feeling (as opposed to what they want the other characters to think they're feeling).
This is a great idea, especially for a long-term friendship. I've missed this kind of friendship since Marlena and Eugene Bradford (I know this was very long ago, but their scenes were so great to watch, and there was real rapport and chemistry of friendship, which I feel both Hope and Rafe also have).

I wish that the writers would consider this, especially now that Sami will be out of the picture soon. We won't see her raise hell about the friendship, like she has raised hell/ tantrum/ whatever-you-call-it every time Rafe is remotely with someone of the opposite sex (whether romantically or not). :blulaugh:
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Jun 6 2014, 08:42 PM
On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.

And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.

ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
They knew more.They knew that Arnold was a convicted felon who was agreeing to be an accomplice to another felony,i.e.the kidnapping of a police officer.
Gabi was a lot younger,had no prior experience with criminals,and did not know that Andrew was crazy or a criminal before she hired him to do something to her,i.e. pretend to stalk her which was not criminal behavior.
I agree that Sami has been called all kinds of bitches on this board,quite a few times by me.I do recall quite a few posters saying that their crimes warrant them being in prison but I really don't recall many posts calling for Sami shooting EJ in the head to be exposed and for her to go to prison for attempt murder,or for Kate's attempt to poison Chloe to be exposed and for Kate to go to prison,or for EJ/Stefano be exposed for kidnapping Rafe and bringing Arnold to Salem which resulted Fay Walker's death and they go to prison for this.My understanding of the posts is that since Gabi hired Andrew,she is responsible for the Melanie kidnapping and the death of Madison and Jack then EJ and Stefano are responsiblle for Fay Walker's death because they brought a convicted felon to town and paid for him to have plastic surgery so that he would have the same appearance as a police officer which enabled him to engage in criminal behavior without detection.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:32 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 05:23 PM
Gabi didn't need to predict the exact way that Andrew was going to hurt someone. She only needed to realize that he was not well and that she needed to alert the authorities and try and get him off the streets.

I had softened on Gabi and Andrew because I originally forgot that the gas fumes were so strong that everyone in the tunnels noticed it, but now I'm starting to think they should have faced faced charges over the deaths, the way people who accidentally cause wildfires do.
I feel Sami should face charges for shooting an unconscious man in the head.
I feel EJ and Stefano should face charges for kidnapping Rafe and Fay Walker's murder.
I feel that EJ should face charges for embezzling the funds from John's company which caused workers to lose their pensions and a police officer to attempt to murder John.
I feel Kate should have faced charges for attempting to poison Chloe.
Stefano,Kate,Sami,and EJ had more of a causal connection to what happened to their victims than Gabi did by hiring a person to stalk her.
Yes! And going back even further, the master criminal Stefano Dimera should face charges for hiring a hitman who committed multiple murders (Renee Dimera, Kelly Chase, Trista Bradford, Letitia Bradford, Daisy Hawkins, Benji Hawk, etc.), for kidnapping and imprisoning Tony Dimera, Roman Brady, and Marlena Evans Brady, for kidnapping babies Sami and Eric Brady, for the imprisonment and attempted murder (via guillotine) of John Black, etc. etc. etc.

This show is very selective about who pays for his/her crimes. Stefano should be under the jail at this point. I wish they'd kill him off once and for all.
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Jun 6 2014, 01:44 AM

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I'm sorry but this is where I'm going to have to disagree with you. As far as I am concerned Gabi caused the tunnel explosion. There were a bunch of events that preceded the tunnel explosion all caused by her. She hired Andrew to stalk Melanie and then when he turned all crazy she kept her mouth shut and did nothing to make the situation better.
She did not hire him to stalk Melanie she hired him to stalk HER (GABI).....Andrew was the one that was at fault, he was the one that went rogue, started obsessing with Mel instead of Gabi and HE is the one responsible....
I don't see how Gabi could be expected to know if she hired someone to pretend to stalk her,that person would turn out to be a kidnapper or that there would be explosive gas in the tunnel or that Andrew would take Melanie to the tunnels under Salem even though there was a noticeable odor of gas in the area or that Andrew would use a lighter despite the odor of gas.There was a discussion in the square between Brady and I think Chad about the odor of gas in the air.If the odor of gas was detectable in the open air of the square,it should have been overwhelming in the tunnels.I blame city officials for Jack and Madison's death for not evacuating the area given that there was a strong odor of gas in the area.
She was stupid to hire someone to pretend stalk her. You guys already know I disagree so there isn't really much else to say. I don't want to go around in a circle. She exelated the situation is all I can say like I said before
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 6 2014, 09:15 PM.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:23 PM
Gabi didn't need to predict the exact way that Andrew was going to hurt someone. She only needed to realize that he was not well and that she needed to alert the authorities and try and get him off the streets.

I had softened on Gabi and Andrew because I originally forgot that the gas fumes were so strong that everyone in the tunnels noticed it, but now I'm starting to think they should have faced faced charges over the deaths, the way people who accidentally cause wildfires do.
I feel Sami should face charges for shooting an unconscious man in the head.
I feel EJ and Stefano should face charges for kidnapping Rafe and Fay Walker's murder.
I feel that EJ should face charges for embezzling the funds from John's company which caused workers to lose their pensions and a police officer to attempt to murder John.
I feel Kate should have faced charges for attempting to poison Chloe.
Stefano,Kate,Sami,and EJ had more of a causal connection to what happened to their victims than Gabi did by hiring a person to stalk her.
Yes! And going back even further, the master criminal Stefano Dimera should face charges for hiring a hitman who committed multiple murders (Renee Dimera, Kelly Chase, Trista Bradford, Letitia Bradford, Daisy Hawkins, Benji Hawk, etc.), for kidnapping and imprisoning Tony Dimera, Roman Brady, and Marlena Evans Brady, for kidnapping babies Sami and Eric Brady, for the imprisonment and attempted murder (via guillotine) of John Black, etc. etc. etc.

This show is very selective about who pays for his/her crimes. Stefano should be under the jail at this point. I wish they'd kill him off once and for all.
I only disagree with killing him off.If they cannot sucessully replace Stefano as the town crime lord,I don't want them to kill him off although I would not be adverse to Stefano running things during a prison stint for something.They can try out sucessors by bringing someone to Salem to act as his right hand man on the outside,
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Jun 6 2014, 09:02 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 08:42 PM
On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.

And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.

ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
They knew more.They knew that Arnold was a convicted felon who was agreeing to be an accomplice to another felony,i.e.the kidnapping of a police officer.
Gabi was a lot younger,had no prior experience with criminals,and did not know that Andrew was crazy or a criminal before she hired him to do something to her,i.e. pretend to stalk her which was not criminal behavior.
I agree that Sami has been called all kinds of bitches on this board,quite a few times by me.I do recall quite a few posters saying that their crimes warrant them being in prison but I really don't recall many posts calling for Sami shooting EJ in the head to be exposed and for her to go to prison for attempt murder,or for Kate's attempt to poison Chloe to be exposed and for Kate to go to prison,or for EJ/Stefano be exposed for kidnapping Rafe and bringing Arnold to Salem which resulted Fay Walker's death and they go to prison for this.My understanding of the posts is that since Gabi hired Andrew,she is responsible for the Melanie kidnapping and the death of Madison and Jack then EJ and Stefano are responsiblle for Fay Walker's death because they brought a convicted felon to town and paid for him to have plastic surgery so that he would have the same appearance as a police officer which enabled him to engage in criminal behavior without detection.
She should have known he was crazy when he agreed to take the job. She definitely knew he was crazy when she found out what he did to Melanie. And EJ and Stefano would have been responsible for the things Rafe 2 did even if he didn't have a rap sheet.

This is going to be my last post on all this, but IDK what to tell you if you haven't seen posts saying that all those people deserve to go to prison. For example, pretty recently people were saying Kate and Sami (and Gabi) deserved to go to prison because of the incident at the river. And on a slightly different note, IDK that you'd even be able to find a significant number of time viewers who'd argue that the people on your list don't deserve to go to prison. Of course, not everyone who feels like those characters belong in prison actually wants them to go there, and imo, that's partially because most of their crimes have come out and sort of been dealt with.
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