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Topic Started: Jun 6 2014, 01:01 AM (8,026 Views)
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Jun 6 2014, 09:27 PM
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On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.
And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.
ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
They knew more.They knew that Arnold was a convicted felon who was agreeing to be an accomplice to another felony,i.e.the kidnapping of a police officer. Gabi was a lot younger,had no prior experience with criminals,and did not know that Andrew was crazy or a criminal before she hired him to do something to her,i.e. pretend to stalk her which was not criminal behavior. I agree that Sami has been called all kinds of bitches on this board,quite a few times by me.I do recall quite a few posters saying that their crimes warrant them being in prison but I really don't recall many posts calling for Sami shooting EJ in the head to be exposed and for her to go to prison for attempt murder,or for Kate's attempt to poison Chloe to be exposed and for Kate to go to prison,or for EJ/Stefano be exposed for kidnapping Rafe and bringing Arnold to Salem which resulted Fay Walker's death and they go to prison for this.My understanding of the posts is that since Gabi hired Andrew,she is responsible for the Melanie kidnapping and the death of Madison and Jack then EJ and Stefano are responsiblle for Fay Walker's death because they brought a convicted felon to town and paid for him to have plastic surgery so that he would have the same appearance as a police officer which enabled him to engage in criminal behavior without detection.
She should have known he was crazy when he agreed to take the job. She definitely knew he was crazy when she found out what he did to Melanie. And EJ and Stefano would have been responsible for the things Rafe 2 did even if he didn't have a rap sheet. This is going to be my last post on all this, but IDK what to tell you if you haven't seen posts saying that all those people deserve to go to prison. For example, pretty recently people were saying Kate and Sami (and Gabi) deserved to go to prison because of the incident at the river. I can tell you are frustrated like I am. I'm so sick of talking about Gabi frankly. There is nothing more for me to eave say and the river incident we have talked about until we are blue in the effing face
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Jun 6 2014, 09:39 PM
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On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.
And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.
ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
They knew more.They knew that Arnold was a convicted felon who was agreeing to be an accomplice to another felony,i.e.the kidnapping of a police officer. Gabi was a lot younger,had no prior experience with criminals,and did not know that Andrew was crazy or a criminal before she hired him to do something to her,i.e. pretend to stalk her which was not criminal behavior. I agree that Sami has been called all kinds of bitches on this board,quite a few times by me.I do recall quite a few posters saying that their crimes warrant them being in prison but I really don't recall many posts calling for Sami shooting EJ in the head to be exposed and for her to go to prison for attempt murder,or for Kate's attempt to poison Chloe to be exposed and for Kate to go to prison,or for EJ/Stefano be exposed for kidnapping Rafe and bringing Arnold to Salem which resulted Fay Walker's death and they go to prison for this.My understanding of the posts is that since Gabi hired Andrew,she is responsible for the Melanie kidnapping and the death of Madison and Jack then EJ and Stefano are responsiblle for Fay Walker's death because they brought a convicted felon to town and paid for him to have plastic surgery so that he would have the same appearance as a police officer which enabled him to engage in criminal behavior without detection.
She should have known he was crazy when he agreed to take the job. She definitely knew he was crazy when she found out what he did to Melanie. And EJ and Stefano would have been responsible for the things Rafe 2 did even if he didn't have a rap sheet. This is going to be my last post on all this, but IDK what to tell you if you haven't seen posts saying that all those people deserve to go to prison. For example, pretty recently people were saying Kate and Sami (and Gabi) deserved to go to prison because of the incident at the river. And on a slightly different note, IDK that you'd even be able to find a significant number of time viewers who'd argue that the people on your list don't deserve to go to prison. Of course, not everyone who feels like those characters belong in prison actually wants them to go there, and imo, that's partially because most of their crimes have come out and sort of been dealt with. I never have a problem with agreeing to disagree.
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Jun 6 2014, 10:33 PM
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- Jun 6 2014, 08:25 AM
Oh no! I hope this doesn't mean we'll have to see Rafe involved in WilSon storylines. I think GG is a horrible actor. Not looking forward to more Daniel, either, especially angry Daniel. Here is the thing with Rafe, he is Arianna's uncle YES but he got no legal rights to his niece. If Will had to because Rafe become to involved despite knowing Gabi wanted I sure that Will could legally ask the court to cut Rafe out. Now I don't think Will is going to do that unless Rafe majorly over steps and basically attempts to go around WILSON as far as how much time he spends with Arianna and how much Say Rafe attempts to have in raising his niece.
It would be Rafe vs to money families if he tried taking this to court Rafe wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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Jun 6 2014, 10:40 PM
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- Jun 6 2014, 09:13 AM
I really hope Rafe pushes Jordan right into Lucas.... Yes, Jordan cry on Lucas shoulders. Give Lucas a life please.....
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Jun 6 2014, 11:10 PM
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I really hope Rafe pushes Jordan right into Lucas....
Yes, Jordan cry on Lucas shoulders. Give Lucas a life please..... I kind of hope Jordan is pushed toward's Lucas as well Jordan's secret still has yet to come out.. between the men when the truth about Jordan's past does come out I think Lucas (given his own history) would be less likely to walk out on Jordan... then Rafe would. Lucas might be shocked by the truth but I think he be more likely to stick around in light of the truth
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Jun 6 2014, 11:21 PM
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Here is the thing with Rafe, he is Arianna's uncle YES but he got no legal rights to his niece. If Will had to because Rafe become to involved despite knowing Gabi wanted I sure that Will could legally ask the court to cut Rafe out. Now I don't think Will is going to do that unless Rafe majorly over steps and basically attempts to go around WILSON as far as how much time he spends with Arianna and how much Say Rafe attempts to have in raising his niece.
It would be Rafe vs to money families if he tried taking this to court Rafe wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Last week, Gabi had EJ amend the custody agreement to say that Rafe would always have access to baby Ari. Not custody. But access.
Will was aware. The scenes seemed to imply that Will signed the entire amended custody agreement.
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Jun 6 2014, 11:26 PM
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On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.
And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.
ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy. I think we should all say crao from here forth . . . :yahoo:
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On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.
And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.
ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
They knew more.They knew that Arnold was a convicted felon who was agreeing to be an accomplice to another felony,i.e.the kidnapping of a police officer. Gabi was a lot younger,had no prior experience with criminals,and did not know that Andrew was crazy or a criminal before she hired him to do something to her,i.e. pretend to stalk her which was not criminal behavior. I agree that Sami has been called all kinds of bitches on this board,quite a few times by me.I do recall quite a few posters saying that their crimes warrant them being in prison but I really don't recall many posts calling for Sami shooting EJ in the head to be exposed and for her to go to prison for attempt murder,or for Kate's attempt to poison Chloe to be exposed and for Kate to go to prison,or for EJ/Stefano be exposed for kidnapping Rafe and bringing Arnold to Salem which resulted Fay Walker's death and they go to prison for this.My understanding of the posts is that since Gabi hired Andrew,she is responsible for the Melanie kidnapping and the death of Madison and Jack then EJ and Stefano are responsiblle for Fay Walker's death because they brought a convicted felon to town and paid for him to have plastic surgery so that he would have the same appearance as a police officer which enabled him to engage in criminal behavior without detection.
She should have known he was crazy when he agreed to take the job. She definitely knew he was crazy when she found out what he did to Melanie. And EJ and Stefano would have been responsible for the things Rafe 2 did even if he didn't have a rap sheet. This is going to be my last post on all this, but IDK what to tell you if you haven't seen posts saying that all those people deserve to go to prison. For example, pretty recently people were saying Kate and Sami (and Gabi) deserved to go to prison because of the incident at the river. And on a slightly different note, IDK that you'd even be able to find a significant number of time viewers who'd argue that the people on your list don't deserve to go to prison. Of course, not everyone who feels like those characters belong in prison actually wants them to go there, and imo, that's partially because most of their crimes have come out and sort of been dealt with. I had a thought tonite that maybe Salem should really just become a penal colony since all the current residents could continue to live there. I mean aren't there only a handful that might escape residency?? :teehee:
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Here is the thing with Rafe, he is Arianna's uncle YES but he got no legal rights to his niece. If Will had to because Rafe become to involved despite knowing Gabi wanted I sure that Will could legally ask the court to cut Rafe out. Now I don't think Will is going to do that unless Rafe majorly over steps and basically attempts to go around WILSON as far as how much time he spends with Arianna and how much Say Rafe attempts to have in raising his niece.
It would be Rafe vs to money families if he tried taking this to court Rafe wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Last week, Gabi had EJ amend the custody agreement to say that Rafe would always have access to baby Ari. Not custody. But access. Will was aware. The scenes seemed to imply that Will signed the entire amended custody agreement. Rafe seems to be possible implying he might want more involvement that what Gabi might have set up if that the case that were I think Will might ask the court to change the agreement that Gabi had set up as far as her brother. I don't think Will & Sonny would do so if they had another choice and it implies that RAFE wants to act as yet another parent to Arianna maybe it just a phrasing of the article we have to wait and see what Rafe actual says to his sister...
There is also the issue of the fact of how Rafe takes the word access to mean... which might become an issue in Rafe state of mind. But again unless Rafe seriously over steps I don't think Will is going to do a thing. I think there might be times were Will & Sonny might need to tell Rafe they have family or other plans But from how SOD states things we will have to see how exactly Rafe interprets the meaning that does effect him.
I think Rafe intent with what Gabi put into the custody agreement regarding her brother, Rafe view on what the phrasing means I think won't be seen till Rafe says whatever he does to Gabi. But if he implies wanting actual say in raising her (that could be were Will has an issue) If Rafe keeps it about simply wanting to stay in his nieces life as Gabi asked that I don't think Will have an issue..
SOD seems to imply Rafe might want to take on role as a third parent to the child and what Gabi set up doesn't necessarily allow Rafe that... it just guarantee's he get to be in his nieces life. But Will becomes his daughter primary care taker so depends on the phrasing if Rafe over steps my understanding is that Gabi agreement can be alters either to remove Rafe from the picture all together or futher imply what ACCESS means as Arianna uncle... legally Will on obligated to allow Gabi form the agreement to stand if issues surface with Rafe at least that what my dad tells me , Will would need to ask a judge to change it but I don't see that being a solution Will went to immediately I think it would be a last resort solution.
SOD could be over stating what it is Rafe says to his sister about her daughter... if they are then the are but if Rafe take access to mean several hours every day with his niece then I could see Will having an issue with how Rafe takes what Gabi put in the custody agreement. I think a lot depends on if Rafe suggests to Gabi what his idea of ACCESS means of Gabi wasn't more specific.
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IIRC, the explosion happened because Andrew lit a match or used a lighter while he, Gabi and Melanie were in the tunnels. Andrew did inadvertantly cause the explosion and he was only in the tunnels because Gabi didn't turn him in to the police. Gabi's not legally responsible for the explosion, but she's partially morally responsible.
Hmm... I don't remember that at all. Does somebody have a clip? I remember Andrew on the ground and Chad asking him (if I remember correctly) where Melanie was and Andrew said "Ask your friend." Chad turned to Gabi and something started sparking and the explosion happened. But I could be wrong. Somebody please correct me if I am! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8OkKMnLe78The part where Andrew sets off the original, smaller explosion with his lighter is at the very end of the video. It wreaked havoc and created a bunch of exposed wires, which caused the sparks that lead to the Daysaster itself. Thanks for posting that! Wow, I really don't remember that scene with the lighter. I might've missed that particular episode.
I still think it's beyond ridiculous to blame Gabi for the deaths of Jack and Madison, but I do think that Jack's family should get to learn what really happened.
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On your edit - I'm not disputing that Stefano and EJ knew Arnold was a criminal when they asked him to become Rafe 2. My point is that they knew exactly as much as Gabi knew, and both of the people they got involved with ended up causing someone's death. So, either they and Gabi are responsible for what their accomplice did or they're not.
And I'm not sure how you've missed all the calls for everyone you've listed to pay for their crimes. Sami has probably been called a selfish bitch on this board more times than Gabi could ever dream to be. People say that Stefano, EJ, Kate etc. belong in prison all the time.
ETA: Lysie, in your last post, I thought you were making up another variation of crazy at first. Crao (which I figured was pronounced cray-o) is kind of catchy.
They knew more.They knew that Arnold was a convicted felon who was agreeing to be an accomplice to another felony,i.e.the kidnapping of a police officer. Gabi was a lot younger,had no prior experience with criminals,and did not know that Andrew was crazy or a criminal before she hired him to do something to her,i.e. pretend to stalk her which was not criminal behavior. I agree that Sami has been called all kinds of bitches on this board,quite a few times by me.I do recall quite a few posters saying that their crimes warrant them being in prison but I really don't recall many posts calling for Sami shooting EJ in the head to be exposed and for her to go to prison for attempt murder,or for Kate's attempt to poison Chloe to be exposed and for Kate to go to prison,or for EJ/Stefano be exposed for kidnapping Rafe and bringing Arnold to Salem which resulted Fay Walker's death and they go to prison for this.My understanding of the posts is that since Gabi hired Andrew,she is responsible for the Melanie kidnapping and the death of Madison and Jack then EJ and Stefano are responsiblle for Fay Walker's death because they brought a convicted felon to town and paid for him to have plastic surgery so that he would have the same appearance as a police officer which enabled him to engage in criminal behavior without detection.
She should have known he was crazy when he agreed to take the job. She definitely knew he was crazy when she found out what he did to Melanie. And EJ and Stefano would have been responsible for the things Rafe 2 did even if he didn't have a rap sheet. This is going to be my last post on all this, but IDK what to tell you if you haven't seen posts saying that all those people deserve to go to prison. For example, pretty recently people were saying Kate and Sami (and Gabi) deserved to go to prison because of the incident at the river. And on a slightly different note, IDK that you'd even be able to find a significant number of time viewers who'd argue that the people on your list don't deserve to go to prison. Of course, not everyone who feels like those characters belong in prison actually wants them to go there, and imo, that's partially because most of their crimes have come out and sort of been dealt with.
I had a thought tonite that maybe Salem should really just become a penal colony since all the current residents could continue to live there. I mean aren't there only a handful that might escape residency?? :teehee: Probably just the kids, lol. Except Ciara might as well stay because it's just a matter of time before she starts breaking the law.
You're welcome, am103.
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Here is the thing with Rafe, he is Arianna's uncle YES but he got no legal rights to his niece. If Will had to because Rafe become to involved despite knowing Gabi wanted I sure that Will could legally ask the court to cut Rafe out. Now I don't think Will is going to do that unless Rafe majorly over steps and basically attempts to go around WILSON as far as how much time he spends with Arianna and how much Say Rafe attempts to have in raising his niece.
It would be Rafe vs to money families if he tried taking this to court Rafe wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Last week, Gabi had EJ amend the custody agreement to say that Rafe would always have access to baby Ari. Not custody. But access. Will was aware. The scenes seemed to imply that Will signed the entire amended custody agreement.
Rafe seems to be possible implying he might want more involvement that what Gabi might have set up if that the case that were I think Will might ask the court to change the agreement that Gabi had set up as far as her brother. I don't think Will & Sonny would do so if they had another choice and it implies that RAFE wants to act as yet another parent to Arianna maybe it just a phrasing of the article we have to wait and see what Rafe actual says to his sister... There is also the issue of the fact of how Rafe takes the word access to mean... which might become an issue in Rafe state of mind. But again unless Rafe seriously over steps I don't think Will is going to do a thing. I think there might be times were Will & Sonny might need to tell Rafe they have family or other plans But from how SOD states things we will have to see how exactly Rafe interprets the meaning that does effect him. I think Rafe intent with what Gabi put into the custody agreement regarding her brother, Rafe view on what the phrasing means I think won't be seen till Rafe says whatever he does to Gabi. But if he implies wanting actual say in raising her (that could be were Will has an issue) If Rafe keeps it about simply wanting to stay in his nieces life as Gabi asked that I don't think Will have an issue.. SOD seems to imply Rafe might want to take on role as a third parent to the child and what Gabi set up doesn't necessarily allow Rafe that... it just guarantee's he get to be in his nieces life. But Will becomes his daughter primary care taker so depends on the phrasing if Rafe over steps my understanding is that Gabi agreement can be alters either to remove Rafe from the picture all together or futher imply what ACCESS means as Arianna uncle... legally Will on obligated to allow Gabi form the agreement to stand if issues surface with Rafe at least that what my dad tells me , Will would need to ask a judge to change it but I don't see that being a solution Will went to immediately I think it would be a last resort solution. SOD could be over stating what it is Rafe says to his sister about her daughter... if they are then the are but if Rafe take access to mean several hours every day with his niece then I could see Will having an issue with how Rafe takes what Gabi put in the custody agreement. I think a lot depends on if Rafe suggests to Gabi what his idea of ACCESS means of Gabi wasn't more specific. You know, Rafe trying to take over in regards to Ari could actually be a good story. It would fit with his history of trying to insert himself as the father when he thinks the real father (namely EJ) is unfit. If he finds out about Will shooting EJ, Sonny getting the gun to kill Nick, Ejami's plan to off Nick, and everybody's involvement in the cover-up of Nick's drowning, I could definitely see him deciding that Ari needs better parental influences around her. It could start small with his demanding to be involved in more decisions and then escalate if Wilson shows reluctance. To me, that could be a natural conflict based on character history.
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Shoot, I wish Andrew had killed Melanie, then we wouldn't have to worry about that awful character coming back.
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Of course, Abby will still be Gabi's friend because neither she nor her mother gave a rat's ass about Jack dying. If Daniel had died in that elevator, Abby would never speak to Gabi again. Oh how I wish Daniel had died in that elevator !
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- Jun 6 2014, 10:33 PM
Here is the thing with Rafe, he is Arianna's uncle YES but he got no legal rights to his niece. If Will had to because Rafe become to involved despite knowing Gabi wanted I sure that Will could legally ask the court to cut Rafe out. Now I don't think Will is going to do that unless Rafe majorly over steps and basically attempts to go around WILSON as far as how much time he spends with Arianna and how much Say Rafe attempts to have in raising his niece.
It would be Rafe vs to money families if he tried taking this to court Rafe wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
Last week, Gabi had EJ amend the custody agreement to say that Rafe would always have access to baby Ari. Not custody. But access. Will was aware. The scenes seemed to imply that Will signed the entire amended custody agreement.
Rafe seems to be possible implying he might want more involvement that what Gabi might have set up if that the case that were I think Will might ask the court to change the agreement that Gabi had set up as far as her brother. I don't think Will & Sonny would do so if they had another choice and it implies that RAFE wants to act as yet another parent to Arianna maybe it just a phrasing of the article we have to wait and see what Rafe actual says to his sister... There is also the issue of the fact of how Rafe takes the word access to mean... which might become an issue in Rafe state of mind. But again unless Rafe seriously over steps I don't think Will is going to do a thing. I think there might be times were Will & Sonny might need to tell Rafe they have family or other plans But from how SOD states things we will have to see how exactly Rafe interprets the meaning that does effect him. I think Rafe intent with what Gabi put into the custody agreement regarding her brother, Rafe view on what the phrasing means I think won't be seen till Rafe says whatever he does to Gabi. But if he implies wanting actual say in raising her (that could be were Will has an issue) If Rafe keeps it about simply wanting to stay in his nieces life as Gabi asked that I don't think Will have an issue.. SOD seems to imply Rafe might want to take on role as a third parent to the child and what Gabi set up doesn't necessarily allow Rafe that... it just guarantee's he get to be in his nieces life. But Will becomes his daughter primary care taker so depends on the phrasing if Rafe over steps my understanding is that Gabi agreement can be alters either to remove Rafe from the picture all together or futher imply what ACCESS means as Arianna uncle... legally Will on obligated to allow Gabi form the agreement to stand if issues surface with Rafe at least that what my dad tells me , Will would need to ask a judge to change it but I don't see that being a solution Will went to immediately I think it would be a last resort solution. SOD could be over stating what it is Rafe says to his sister about her daughter... if they are then the are but if Rafe take access to mean several hours every day with his niece then I could see Will having an issue with how Rafe takes what Gabi put in the custody agreement. I think a lot depends on if Rafe suggests to Gabi what his idea of ACCESS means of Gabi wasn't more specific.
You know, Rafe trying to take over in regards to Ari could actually be a good story. It would fit with his history of trying to insert himself as the father when he thinks the real father (namely EJ) is unfit. If he finds out about Will shooting EJ, Sonny getting the gun to kill Nick, Ejami's plan to off Nick, and everybody's involvement in the cover-up of Nick's drowning, I could definitely see him deciding that Ari needs better parental influences around her. It could start small with his demanding to be involved in more decisions and then escalate if Wilson shows reluctance. To me, that could be a natural conflict based on character history. That could work if Rafe didn't have questionable ethics. He covered up Sami shooting EJ, Gabi's role in Melanie's kidnapping, and he lied about the paternity of two of EJ's offspring.
In any case, regardless of the agreement, Will still has every right to restrict Rafe access to his daughter. He can visit her but he has no say about anything, except what Will allows him. But I highly doubt they'll have any conflict. I can see Rafe interfering though. Rafe is always throwing shade at WilSon whenever he visits the apartment (grocery shopping, christmas tree, etc) so I have no doubt in my mind that he'll find a way to interfere.
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Rafe seems to be possible implying he might want more involvement that what Gabi might have set up if that the case that were I think Will might ask the court to change the agreement that Gabi had set up as far as her brother. I don't think Will & Sonny would do so if they had another choice and it implies that RAFE wants to act as yet another parent to Arianna maybe it just a phrasing of the article we have to wait and see what Rafe actual says to his sister... There is also the issue of the fact of how Rafe takes the word access to mean... which might become an issue in Rafe state of mind. But again unless Rafe seriously over steps I don't think Will is going to do a thing. I think there might be times were Will & Sonny might need to tell Rafe they have family or other plans But from how SOD states things we will have to see how exactly Rafe interprets the meaning that does effect him. I think Rafe intent with what Gabi put into the custody agreement regarding her brother, Rafe view on what the phrasing means I think won't be seen till Rafe says whatever he does to Gabi. But if he implies wanting actual say in raising her (that could be were Will has an issue) If Rafe keeps it about simply wanting to stay in his nieces life as Gabi asked that I don't think Will have an issue.. SOD seems to imply Rafe might want to take on role as a third parent to the child and what Gabi set up doesn't necessarily allow Rafe that... it just guarantee's he get to be in his nieces life. But Will becomes his daughter primary care taker so depends on the phrasing if Rafe over steps my understanding is that Gabi agreement can be alters either to remove Rafe from the picture all together or futher imply what ACCESS means as Arianna uncle... legally Will on obligated to allow Gabi form the agreement to stand if issues surface with Rafe at least that what my dad tells me , Will would need to ask a judge to change it but I don't see that being a solution Will went to immediately I think it would be a last resort solution. SOD could be over stating what it is Rafe says to his sister about her daughter... if they are then the are but if Rafe take access to mean several hours every day with his niece then I could see Will having an issue with how Rafe takes what Gabi put in the custody agreement. I think a lot depends on if Rafe suggests to Gabi what his idea of ACCESS means of Gabi wasn't more specific.
You know, Rafe trying to take over in regards to Ari could actually be a good story. It would fit with his history of trying to insert himself as the father when he thinks the real father (namely EJ) is unfit. If he finds out about Will shooting EJ, Sonny getting the gun to kill Nick, Ejami's plan to off Nick, and everybody's involvement in the cover-up of Nick's drowning, I could definitely see him deciding that Ari needs better parental influences around her. It could start small with his demanding to be involved in more decisions and then escalate if Wilson shows reluctance. To me, that could be a natural conflict based on character history.
That could work if Rafe didn't have questionable ethics. He covered up Sami shooting EJ, Gabi's role in Melanie's kidnapping, and he lied about the paternity of two of EJ's offspring. In any case, regardless of the agreement, Will still has every right to restrict Rafe access to his daughter. He can visit her but he has no say about anything, except what Will allows him. But I highly doubt they'll have any conflict. I can see Rafe interfering though. Rafe is always throwing shade at WilSon whenever he visits the apartment (grocery shopping, christmas tree, etc) so I have no doubt in my mind that he'll find a way to interfere. All Rafe wants is to be part of his neice's life......is that a crime? He can help her learn about her Hispanic heritage. And there's no guarantee that Sonny will always be Will's husband and Arianna's stepfather, but Rafe will always be her uncle.
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Jun 7 2014, 12:05 PM
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I agree with six. lol
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I'm not sure how I should feel about you laughing about that. ;)
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Jun 7 2014, 12:53 PM
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No worries lol, I was just lolling at my short response, I'm too tired to quote and write an good backing-up comment but I had to chime in to say I agree :blulaugh:
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- Jun 6 2014, 11:17 AM
Regarding the spoiler about Jordan and Rafe ...
In Weds June 4 episode, we saw ....
Rafe told Jordan something --- that indicated that from now on, they won't be as close as a couple -- or it won't be the same as it was ... or something along those lines. The inference was that he felt guilty for not being there for Gabi, because of his involvement with Jordan. He didn't actually say this, but it was implied (That was how I interpreted what he said).
Jordan said she understood and would be there for him. It seemed that she understood that he would need time to focus on his family and deal with his grief -- and she was letting him know she would understand that it would be a human reaction if he needed to withdraw from her a little, temporarily -- and that she'd accept being on the sidelines for a while -- and that she wanted him to know she understood -- but that he could come to her at any time. And she was hoping he'd dive back into their relationship when he was ready. (That was how I interpreted what she said).
We also saw a scene where Rafe phoned his FBI buddy for more info about Nick's time in prison.
My *speculation* is that Rafe will get obsessed with trying to understand what happened with Nick. Rafe didn't stop Nick while Nick was alive -- so maybe Rafe is trying to find out something after it's too late. Maybe some proof that Nick was more dangerous than everyone had been led to believe at his parole hearing? I dunno.
My *speculation* is that Rafe will get more obsessed with trying to fix things after the fact -- and maybe he'll go off on an unwise tangent. Or maybe he'll just close himself off to Jordan entirely.
Or (speculating) maybe he'll start investigating everyone who might have contact with baby Ari -- and this might alienate Jordan.
Either way, I speculate that Jordan will ... eventually ... decide the relationship is no longer working. That's why Dr Dan dumped Nicole last time.
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