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SOD: Eric to Nicole: Take off the ring!
Topic Started: Jun 6 2014, 01:19 AM (7,530 Views)
Holaamigas


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Jun 6 2014, 05:47 PM
If Days had just allowed Nicole to have her last baby, Nicole being dumped on yet again wouldn't bother me as much. I don't see myself tuning back in anytime soon.
This is what bothers me about the whole storyline. These characters all have done some heinous things, but wind up with some happiness. Nicole? She's Salem's Barren Whore of Babylon. Unless some other characters start paying the piper (EJ and Abby, looking at you!) I can't even watch this crap!
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Jun 6 2014, 06:48 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:27 PM
I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
The difference for me is that those other characters win so often. Sami's won the man of her dreams many times over. At one point she had three men on screen, hot, sexy leading men, who all wanted to be with her. She's the object of desire. Men would do ANYTHING for her - including kidnapping, murder, etc. She may have had her downs, but Sami's also had a lot of ups. Not to mention that the Bradys stand behind her all the time now. In the past they would call her on her crap, but now she's just made of awesome and they all love her.

EJ's another who gets what he wants. And even if people don't like him, no one is slut-shaming him or bringing up things that he was forced to do against his will as a teenager.

I'm not saying those characters don't get punished - they do. But I don't see anyone on the show who is so often the subject of public derision and humiliation as Nicole.

I don't see anyone taking her side when it comes to the porn she did. No one defends her. No one points out that she was forced to do it by her father. Instead, they constantly refer to it and what a slut/skank/whore she is.

Nicole wants a baby more than anything in the world. And she's been pregnant multiple times with miracle babies and lost them all.

Nicole can't find anyone who will love and accept her as she is that 1) isn't in love with someone else, 2) won't turn on her in a second if she acts like Nicole, and 3) isn't just using her until something better comes along.

She never wins. She's never the object of desire. She's never pursued by multiple men all dying to be with her. Nicole is always, always, always the loser. In love, in family, in happiness. As a fan, I'm more than a little tired of it. I'd like to see her win and win big.
If I could like this post a thousand times, I would.
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I want to reiterate what was said about why some of us are upset about Nicole. Aside from the fact that, dammit, for 95% of the time AZ makes her rootable, there is NO ONE that takes her side. Even when Sami did the shit she did (drugging John, doing the Stan thing...horrendous things)...someone was there, Lucas, someone. They always showed someone who identified with her. Not Nicole. And that's just stupid. Poor writing for a character who could have SO MUCH POTENTIAL from that past she has had. Oh, my gosh, the beauty of it all, what it could have been. Nicole had the potential to be a fantastic soap character, heroine of sorts if you wanted. Once, where people walked away and she had to build herself up is fine. But gads, how many times can you do that without having someone in your corner? And, although AZ as lushy Nicole can be funny, that "solution" is also getting old.
And, I'll venture to say most people think she is beautiful. She can walk without stumbling. She has a presence. (So what if she has big hands?) She has a soft spot in her heart for kids and is good with kids. It's not like she's the Devil Incarnate. I would think 21st century soap viewers are a little more sophisticated than wanting a cardboard bad girl with no nuances. But then again, I might be totally ingenuous about that as well. Really, writers, it's not rocket science. If people on a soap board can figure this out, you, with all your "experience", can figure it out as well. N'est-ce pas?
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Jun 7 2014, 07:06 AM
I want to reiterate what was said about why some of us are upset about Nicole. Aside from the fact that, dammit, for 95% of the time AZ makes her rootable, there is NO ONE that takes her side. Even when Sami did the shit she did (drugging John, doing the Stan thing...horrendous things)...someone was there, Lucas, someone. They always showed someone who identified with her. Not Nicole. And that's just stupid. Poor writing for a character who could have SO MUCH POTENTIAL from that past she has had. Oh, my gosh, the beauty of it all, what it could have been. Nicole had the potential to be a fantastic soap character, heroine of sorts if you wanted. Once, where people walked away and she had to build herself up is fine. But gads, how many times can you do that without having someone in your corner? And, although AZ as lushy Nicole can be funny, that "solution" is also getting old.
And, I'll venture to say most people think she is beautiful. She can walk without stumbling. She has a presence. (So what if she has big hands?) She has a soft spot in her heart for kids and is good with kids. It's not like she's the Devil Incarnate. I would think 21st century soap viewers are a little more sophisticated than wanting a cardboard bad girl with no nuances. But then again, I might be totally ingenuous about that as well. Really, writers, it's not rocket science. If people on a soap board can figure this out, you, with all your "experience", can figure it out as well. N'est-ce pas?
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The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
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Jun 7 2014, 12:11 PM
The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
And I don't want them to. They completely ruined Sami when they did that. I think they could improve their writing for Nicole great but I don't think giving her everything she claims to want is at all the way to do that.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:47 PM
If Days had just allowed Nicole to have her last baby, Nicole being dumped on yet again wouldn't bother me as much. I don't see myself tuning back in anytime soon.

I got a feeling Nicole will get pregnant with Eric´s baby. They should have had Ericole broke up over something else but I can see him going back to be a priest just for her to find out she is pregnant to be good angst for them.
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I don't want Nicole to win every time, I don't want her to get everything she ever wanted. I'd just like her to have some kind of a support system. Her brother. Or, yes, a baby. A family, even if it is just one person.

And I don't think a bit of character development would ruin Nicole.
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Jun 6 2014, 12:48 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:27 PM
I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
When Sami was being humiliated, she still had someone in her corner. Kristen has the DiMera family, so does EJ. Who does Nicole have? I don't think I would be complaining about this half as much if Nicole still had Brandon or her mother around. Or if the show actually cared about her relationship with Abe.

But mostly, I think people are frustrated because it seems Nicole is never gonna grow as a character. We're gonna see this merry-go-round of lying and being exposed until she's 80 or leaves the show. It's getting old. Some of us want more for her.
I think Daniel will stand by her. He cares about her. At least she will one person in her corner.
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Jun 7 2014, 12:49 PM
I don't want Nicole to win every time, I don't want her to get everything she ever wanted. I'd just like her to have some kind of a support system. Her brother. Or, yes, a baby. A family, even if it is just one person.

And I don't think a bit of character development would ruin Nicole.
I didn't say character development would ruin Nicole. I said writing her as the show's heroine who gets what she wants in the end like Sami started getting would ruin her.

I'd like her to have a support system of some sort, too. That's not what I was responding to.
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Jun 7 2014, 12:52 PM
throughthehourglass
Jun 7 2014, 12:49 PM
I don't want Nicole to win every time, I don't want her to get everything she ever wanted. I'd just like her to have some kind of a support system. Her brother. Or, yes, a baby. A family, even if it is just one person.

And I don't think a bit of character development would ruin Nicole.
I didn't say character development would ruin Nicole. I said writing her as the show's heroine who gets what she wants in the end like Sami started getting would ruin her.

I'd like her to have a support system of some sort, too. That's not what I was responding to.
I think she had character development last year and the beginning of this year. She was being written more as a heroine than a bad girl/villain (she was accused of something she didn't do, she was in love with Eric but didn't act on her feelings, and she tried to prove his innocence), and I saw a lot of people responding very well to that "version" of Nicole. So I do think she could work in that kind of role. I don't think Nicole as a heroine would ruin her, as long as the writers take their time with it and keep her "edge". I thought they were well on their way to doing that, but now we're back to square one.
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Sariah
Jun 6 2014, 06:48 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:27 PM
I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
The difference for me is that those other characters win so often. Sami's won the man of her dreams many times over. At one point she had three men on screen, hot, sexy leading men, who all wanted to be with her. She's the object of desire. Men would do ANYTHING for her - including kidnapping, murder, etc. She may have had her downs, but Sami's also had a lot of ups. Not to mention that the Bradys stand behind her all the time now. In the past they would call her on her crap, but now she's just made of awesome and they all love her.

EJ's another who gets what he wants. And even if people don't like him, no one is slut-shaming him or bringing up things that he was forced to do against his will as a teenager.

I'm not saying those characters don't get punished - they do. But I don't see anyone on the show who is so often the subject of public derision and humiliation as Nicole.

I don't see anyone taking her side when it comes to the porn she did. No one defends her. No one points out that she was forced to do it by her father. Instead, they constantly refer to it and what a slut/skank/whore she is.

Nicole wants a baby more than anything in the world. And she's been pregnant multiple times with miracle babies and lost them all.

Nicole can't find anyone who will love and accept her as she is that 1) isn't in love with someone else, 2) won't turn on her in a second if she acts like Nicole, and 3) isn't just using her until something better comes along.

She never wins. She's never the object of desire. She's never pursued by multiple men all dying to be with her. Nicole is always, always, always the loser. In love, in family, in happiness. As a fan, I'm more than a little tired of it. I'd like to see her win and win big.
I don't know if i can agree with that. As a Sami fan, I watched with frustration as she is being publicly humiliated time after time for years. How many times has Sami being busted for something she did? I can assure you Sami has been publicly humiliated more times than Nicole and her family absolutely did not stand by her back then. They turned their backs on her more often than not.

Sami and Nicole are survivors and they always end up on their feet no matter what. I think things only started to turn around for Sami in 2006 when Ej came along. Suddenly, she had 2 men fighting for her and she learned to see herself through their eyes. Nicole had 2 men wanting her as well at one time. Brady was in love with her while she was involved with Ej the first time around. The only difference is that she made the wrong choice, instead of scheming to hold on to ej who never loved the way she deserved it, she should have chosen Brady who then loved her unconditionally and was willing to fight for her.

I know it is not a popular opinion, but Nicole will be just fine. She always think it is the end of the world when she loses her men and yet she always ends up back on her feet just like sami. She had the same meltdown when she lost Brady, when Ej dumped and again when Daniel dumped her. I do think Daniel will be there for her and Danicole will be revisited.
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I'm going to assume that my definition of family turning their back on you is different from others, because I can only think of one time Sami's family very briefly (like for one episode) did that. I agree that that's the issue for Nicole, though. She gets humiliated and loses everything and there's no one there for her. I suppose Daniel was supposed to be in that role, but Daniel doesn't even know Nicole, and he certainly doesn't know Nicole's actual history. Nicole is typically fine, and she usually does stand right back up and dust herself off, but it would be nice if she had a sidekick at the very least. One of my biggest issues with Nicole is that her friendships are always full of WTF and you have to do a lot of fanwanking/forgetting to make the friendships work. The people who are currently angry with her, SHOULD be angry with her, so she really needs someone that's also actually somewhat of an outsider. I think Ava and oddly enough Jan would have been good options, but it's hard to pinpoint an appropriate Nicole accomplice. Theresa would have worked if they hadn't gone in the completely opposite direction of that with the two of them. There's no real history there, so I guess they could still make that happen if it would occur to them. It'd really help Theresa as a character, too, if her BFF wasn't a random dayplayer.
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I don't like this version of Nicole. First she accuses Jennifer of pushing her down the stairs and now the writers have her arguing with Daniel and Eric. Things started looking up for her when she became friends with Jennifer and I agree now she is back to square one. I really don't like what the writers have done to her.
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marie1969
Jun 7 2014, 01:22 PM
Sariah
Jun 6 2014, 06:48 PM
Kaha
Jun 6 2014, 12:27 PM
I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
The difference for me is that those other characters win so often. Sami's won the man of her dreams many times over. At one point she had three men on screen, hot, sexy leading men, who all wanted to be with her. She's the object of desire. Men would do ANYTHING for her - including kidnapping, murder, etc. She may have had her downs, but Sami's also had a lot of ups. Not to mention that the Bradys stand behind her all the time now. In the past they would call her on her crap, but now she's just made of awesome and they all love her.

EJ's another who gets what he wants. And even if people don't like him, no one is slut-shaming him or bringing up things that he was forced to do against his will as a teenager.

I'm not saying those characters don't get punished - they do. But I don't see anyone on the show who is so often the subject of public derision and humiliation as Nicole.

I don't see anyone taking her side when it comes to the porn she did. No one defends her. No one points out that she was forced to do it by her father. Instead, they constantly refer to it and what a slut/skank/whore she is.

Nicole wants a baby more than anything in the world. And she's been pregnant multiple times with miracle babies and lost them all.

Nicole can't find anyone who will love and accept her as she is that 1) isn't in love with someone else, 2) won't turn on her in a second if she acts like Nicole, and 3) isn't just using her until something better comes along.

She never wins. She's never the object of desire. She's never pursued by multiple men all dying to be with her. Nicole is always, always, always the loser. In love, in family, in happiness. As a fan, I'm more than a little tired of it. I'd like to see her win and win big.
I don't know if i can agree with that. As a Sami fan, I watched with frustration as she is being publicly humiliated time after time for years. How many times has Sami being busted for something she did? I can assure you Sami has been publicly humiliated more times than Nicole and her family absolutely did not stand by her back then. They turned their backs on her more often than not.

Sami and Nicole are survivors and they always end up on their feet no matter what. I think things only started to turn around for Sami in 2006 when Ej came along. Suddenly, she had 2 men fighting for her and she learned to see herself through their eyes. Nicole had 2 men wanting her as well at one time. Brady was in love with her while she was involved with Ej the first time around. The only difference is that she made the wrong choice, instead of scheming to hold on to ej who never loved the way she deserved it, she should have chosen Brady who then loved her unconditionally and was willing to fight for her.

I know it is not a popular opinion, but Nicole will be just fine. She always think it is the end of the world when she loses her men and yet she always ends up back on her feet just like sami. She had the same meltdown when she lost Brady, when Ej dumped and again when Daniel dumped her. I do think Daniel will be there for her and Danicole will be revisited.
That's the difference though - Sami's comeuppance happened years and years ago, and hasn't really happened since then. I'm with lysie - the Bradys are always there for Sami, regardless of what she does and they don't turn their backs on her (even though she deserves it - honestly, none of them should even be speaking to her at this point). So even if she's experienced humiliation, it hasn't been an ongoing thing.

I don't remember Brady fighting for Nicole. I remember that he had no interest in having children with her ever (which was very important to Nicole) and then dumping her because she took some money (but not before making sure he screwed her one last time). I was actually hopeful when we learned Eric would be returning - I had hoped for a triangle with EJ; a devil and angel type situation - but we know how that turned out.

And I didn't say Nicole wouldn't be just fine. I said I'm tired of her being dumped on. I'm not saying that she should get everything she's ever wanted all at once - but that I would like to see her come out on top in some area of her life. She doesn't get love (Sami's been with the love of her life how many times?). She doesn't get children (Sami has four and a granddaughter). Her work life never seems to go well (isn't Sami like a CEO or something?). She has no friends, family or supporters (Sami is surrounded by relatives who constantly take her side).

I would like to see someone in Nicole's corner. And I'd like for Nicole to experience some happiness somewhere in her life that can't be taken away.
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Jun 7 2014, 01:22 PM
Sariah
Jun 6 2014, 06:48 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:27 PM
I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
The difference for me is that those other characters win so often. Sami's won the man of her dreams many times over. At one point she had three men on screen, hot, sexy leading men, who all wanted to be with her. She's the object of desire. Men would do ANYTHING for her - including kidnapping, murder, etc. She may have had her downs, but Sami's also had a lot of ups. Not to mention that the Bradys stand behind her all the time now. In the past they would call her on her crap, but now she's just made of awesome and they all love her.

EJ's another who gets what he wants. And even if people don't like him, no one is slut-shaming him or bringing up things that he was forced to do against his will as a teenager.

I'm not saying those characters don't get punished - they do. But I don't see anyone on the show who is so often the subject of public derision and humiliation as Nicole.

I don't see anyone taking her side when it comes to the porn she did. No one defends her. No one points out that she was forced to do it by her father. Instead, they constantly refer to it and what a slut/skank/whore she is.

Nicole wants a baby more than anything in the world. And she's been pregnant multiple times with miracle babies and lost them all.

Nicole can't find anyone who will love and accept her as she is that 1) isn't in love with someone else, 2) won't turn on her in a second if she acts like Nicole, and 3) isn't just using her until something better comes along.

She never wins. She's never the object of desire. She's never pursued by multiple men all dying to be with her. Nicole is always, always, always the loser. In love, in family, in happiness. As a fan, I'm more than a little tired of it. I'd like to see her win and win big.
I don't know if i can agree with that. As a Sami fan, I watched with frustration as she is being publicly humiliated time after time for years. How many times has Sami being busted for something she did? I can assure you Sami has been publicly humiliated more times than Nicole and her family absolutely did not stand by her back then. They turned their backs on her more often than not.

Sami and Nicole are survivors and they always end up on their feet no matter what. I think things only started to turn around for Sami in 2006 when Ej came along. Suddenly, she had 2 men fighting for her and she learned to see herself through their eyes. Nicole had 2 men wanting her as well at one time. Brady was in love with her while she was involved with Ej the first time around. The only difference is that she made the wrong choice, instead of scheming to hold on to ej who never loved the way she deserved it, she should have chosen Brady who then loved her unconditionally and was willing to fight for her.

I know it is not a popular opinion, but Nicole will be just fine. She always think it is the end of the world when she loses her men and yet she always ends up back on her feet just like sami. She had the same meltdown when she lost Brady, when Ej dumped and again when Daniel dumped her. I do think Daniel will be there for her and Danicole will be revisited.
She dumped EJ the last time.
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throughthehourglass
Jun 7 2014, 01:00 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 12:52 PM
throughthehourglass
Jun 7 2014, 12:49 PM
I don't want Nicole to win every time, I don't want her to get everything she ever wanted. I'd just like her to have some kind of a support system. Her brother. Or, yes, a baby. A family, even if it is just one person.

And I don't think a bit of character development would ruin Nicole.
I didn't say character development would ruin Nicole. I said writing her as the show's heroine who gets what she wants in the end like Sami started getting would ruin her.

I'd like her to have a support system of some sort, too. That's not what I was responding to.
I think she had character development last year and the beginning of this year. She was being written more as a heroine than a bad girl/villain (she was accused of something she didn't do, she was in love with Eric but didn't act on her feelings, and she tried to prove his innocence), and I saw a lot of people responding very well to that "version" of Nicole. So I do think she could work in that kind of role. I don't think Nicole as a heroine would ruin her, as long as the writers take their time with it and keep her "edge". I thought they were well on their way to doing that, but now we're back to square one.

I personally think Nicole as a good girl last year was boring and so is Ericole. The only scenes I liked Ericole in was when there was some drama like Eric walking in on her and Vargas and him accusing her of rape. Other than that the only scenes where I really liked Nicole last year was with EJ, Kristen and Marlena. I do think there might be many people that did enjoy her like that though.

I´m not sure if I would enjoy Ejole as a couple either since I´m mostly loved their scenes when they have been snarky with each other which they are not when they are together as a couple, but since I think they have chemistry opposite each other I think they should be able to have chemistry when together too with the right writing.
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Yeah, not many want Nicole to win everything every time, but it would be nice if Abe or someone was shown to stick by her and understand what makes her tick. If we see it, why can't the writers see it and write accordingly? With these additions being made to the cast, both contract and temporary, why couldn't one of them have been Brandon? I would love to see him again for a few months. Or how about an aunt (a sister of Faye Walker, played by someone like Kim Zimmer)?
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Jun 7 2014, 01:34 PM
I'm going to assume that my definition of family turning their back on you is different from others, because I can only think of one time Sami's family very briefly (like for one episode) did that. I agree that that's the issue for Nicole, though. She gets humiliated and loses everything and there's no one there for her. I suppose Daniel was supposed to be in that role, but Daniel doesn't even know Nicole, and he certainly doesn't know Nicole's actual history. Nicole is typically fine, and she usually does stand right back up and dust herself off, but it would be nice if she had a sidekick at the very least. One of my biggest issues with Nicole is that her friendships are always full of WTF and you have to do a lot of fanwanking/forgetting to make the friendships work. The people who are currently angry with her, SHOULD be angry with her, so she really needs someone that's also actually somewhat of an outsider. I think Ava and oddly enough Jan would have been good options, but it's hard to pinpoint an appropriate Nicole accomplice. Theresa would have worked if they hadn't gone in the completely opposite direction of that with the two of them. There's no real history there, so I guess they could still make that happen if it would occur to them. It'd really help Theresa as a character, too, if her BFF wasn't a random dayplayer.
It would've been nice if Nicole realized Theresa was troubled and reached out to her for Eric's sake. It would've made sense for them to get closer and it would've been natural. Instead, we see Nicole attacking Theresa and hypocritically calling her slut and a screw-up. The writers ruin every potential relationship because they're so determined to prop up Daniel and Jennifer.
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Yoryla
Jun 7 2014, 12:11 PM
The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
Why does she have to be the heroine just for some common sense love? Even Nick had Julie.
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