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SOD: Eric to Nicole: Take off the ring!
Topic Started: Jun 6 2014, 01:19 AM (7,529 Views)
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ladyofthelake
Jun 7 2014, 04:51 PM
Yoryla
Jun 7 2014, 12:11 PM
The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
Why does she have to be the heroine just for some common sense love? Even Nick had Julie.
But Nick had Julie offscreen for the most part. I don't want that for Nicole either. I also don't want someone blind to her. Being in her corner doesn't have to mean sitting back quietly while she wreaks havoc. I hated that with nancy and Chloe. What she needs is someone who won't hate her even when the truth is out. I really think that's supposed to be Daniel but that just doesn't work...especially not with the way Shawn plays it.
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Jun 7 2014, 04:56 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 12:11 PM
The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
Why does she have to be the heroine just for some common sense love? Even Nick had Julie.
But Nick had Julie offscreen for the most part. I don't want that for Nicole either. I also don't want someone blind to her. Being in her corner doesn't have to mean sitting back quietly while she wreaks havoc. I hated that with nancy and Chloe. What she needs is someone who won't hate her even when the truth is out. I really think that's supposed to be Daniel but that just doesn't work...especially not with the way Shawn plays it.
It should have always been Abe.
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Jun 7 2014, 04:58 PM
lysie
Jun 7 2014, 04:56 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 04:51 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 12:11 PM
The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
Why does she have to be the heroine just for some common sense love? Even Nick had Julie.
But Nick had Julie offscreen for the most part. I don't want that for Nicole either. I also don't want someone blind to her. Being in her corner doesn't have to mean sitting back quietly while she wreaks havoc. I hated that with nancy and Chloe. What she needs is someone who won't hate her even when the truth is out. I really think that's supposed to be Daniel but that just doesn't work...especially not with the way Shawn plays it.
It should have always been Abe.
Abe makes perfect sense as a father figure. It's not contrived and doesn't elist an immediate WTF, like all of Nicole's supposed friendships. I think her and Daniel are fine, as long as Nicole is not worshiping him, but as lysie said, SC's acting choices ruin that.

ETA -- I think Theresa and Nicole make good pair as friends. Nicole could've sympathized with Theresa and see her young self in her. When Theresa overdosed, Nicole could've tried to be nice to Theresa for Eric's sake and then they connected. But I think that ship has sailed. When what Nicole did becomes public, there will be a lot of "I told you so" from a lot of Bradys, Theresa included.
Edited by Kaha, Jun 8 2014, 02:29 PM.
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Why not recast Brandon if Matt Crecendo isn't available. If Jordan can have a brother pop up overnight, and then Paige suddenly materializes, why can't she have a family member, writers? I'd love it if they allowed Abe/Nicole to interact more, especially since he's tied to her past so much. As for Nicole's characterization, I really love the Nicole that was onscreen during the rectory. As for scheming Nicole, during those times, she played nothing but inteloper to Ejami, Brady/Arianna, Brady/Chloe, and Dannifer. So, while she was swigging the martini glass and quipping sarcastic remarks, she was always standing at ground zero. I'd never want her to be as sugary sweet as say Carrie. But, after the paper shredding incident, I don't want to see anything like that either. Letting the character have growth is a great thing, and this wash-rinse-repeat cycle of her losing everything all the time sucks big time, especially if you're a Nicole fan. Every relationship that she's been in has crashed/burned, mainly because the writers weren't viewing her as the "one" for the guy in the relationship. There's always been a Sami, Arianna, Jennifer, Chloe, or somebody that the man preferred over her. And I won't even get started on her miscarriages with the last one being especially cruel since she carried full-term. As a Nicole supporter, I'm tired of that shit...tired of watching her be the loser in love and happiness. Even with Ericole, the writers never let go of the "sign" dialogue which is something that needs rectifying in some way.
I can't speak for anyone but myself.
But, I'd like for a man to love her warts and all---one that won't bail at the first sign of trouble. (*Fast note: But, that man sure in the hell isn't mofo Dr. Effin Daniel Jonas.) And with some miracle, I'm hoping the writers will come to their senses and turn Ericole's story back around.

(Love the idea of Kim Zimmer being an aunt or other family member to Nicole.)

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Jun 7 2014, 12:50 PM
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Jun 6 2014, 12:27 PM
I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
When Sami was being humiliated, she still had someone in her corner. Kristen has the DiMera family, so does EJ. Who does Nicole have? I don't think I would be complaining about this half as much if Nicole still had Brandon or her mother around. Or if the show actually cared about her relationship with Abe.

But mostly, I think people are frustrated because it seems Nicole is never gonna grow as a character. We're gonna see this merry-go-round of lying and being exposed until she's 80 or leaves the show. It's getting old. Some of us want more for her.
I think Daniel will stand by her. He cares about her. At least she will one person in her corner.
It is an unpopular thing to accept,but she has had someone in her corner for the past couple of years-daniel. He let her stay at his place when she had nowhere else to go. He allowed her ,reluctantly to let eric think they were a couple when eric was in the hospital. I think the writers seem to want to make viewers see them as long term buddies. If they manage to get thru the fallout in the end,i could see danicole.

Coming up this month it appears shes out for blood though,so that theory could be out the window. Frankly i would rather they not get together.
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I really wish they'd give Nicole a hot new love interest. Someone that fully embraced her for who she was and didn't want her to change. I'd like for him to have a darker edge too and not be so saintly like Eric but at the same time treat Nicole with nothing but love and respect and put to rest her insecurity issues.
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lysie
Jun 7 2014, 04:56 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 04:51 PM
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Jun 7 2014, 12:11 PM
The thing of it is though, I don't think the writers see Nicole as the show's heroine. Not that I have any idea what is going on in their minds lol, but it's like they designed Nicole to be the antagonist, to other people who are the heroines, namely of course Sami. I just don't see them making her the central female figurine who wins at the end at all.
Why does she have to be the heroine just for some common sense love? Even Nick had Julie.
But Nick had Julie offscreen for the most part. I don't want that for Nicole either. I also don't want someone blind to her. Being in her corner doesn't have to mean sitting back quietly while she wreaks havoc. I hated that with nancy and Chloe. What she needs is someone who won't hate her even when the truth is out. I really think that's supposed to be Daniel but that just doesn't work...especially not with the way Shawn plays it.
True.
And NO to Daniel! The point of having someone in her corner is NOT someone who is going to usurp what should be HER story.
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Jun 7 2014, 01:34 PM
I'm going to assume that my definition of family turning their back on you is different from others, because I can only think of one time Sami's family very briefly (like for one episode) did that. I agree that that's the issue for Nicole, though. She gets humiliated and loses everything and there's no one there for her. I suppose Daniel was supposed to be in that role, but Daniel doesn't even know Nicole, and he certainly doesn't know Nicole's actual history. Nicole is typically fine, and she usually does stand right back up and dust herself off, but it would be nice if she had a sidekick at the very least. One of my biggest issues with Nicole is that her friendships are always full of WTF and you have to do a lot of fanwanking/forgetting to make the friendships work. The people who are currently angry with her, SHOULD be angry with her, so she really needs someone that's also actually somewhat of an outsider. I think Ava and oddly enough Jan would have been good options, but it's hard to pinpoint an appropriate Nicole accomplice. Theresa would have worked if they hadn't gone in the completely opposite direction of that with the two of them. There's no real history there, so I guess they could still make that happen if it would occur to them. It'd really help Theresa as a character, too, if her BFF wasn't a random dayplayer.
It would've been nice if Nicole realized Theresa was troubled and reached out to her for Eric's sake. It would've made sense for them to get closer and it would've been natural. Instead, we see Nicole attacking Theresa and hypocritically calling her slut and a screw-up. The writers ruin every potential relationship because they're so determined to prop up Daniel and Jennifer.
For some reason the show doesn't really seem to do friendships, expect for men. I mean, it seems that people like Daniel, Rafe, Brady and Eric are people who are always portrayed as being friends even if it might be off screen. But there's no rivalry. With the women, there just doesn't seem to be such a thing. Nicole, Kristen, Sami, Theresa, Jennifer, Kate, etc. are always more likely to be adversaries or rivals than friends. Like take Nicole and Kristen for instance, even though many found it delicious to have them as adversaries and thought their rivalry was gold, in the long run they could have just as easily have been friends, I mean, they're so similar in so many ways, and Nicole even pointed it out several times. I suppose the similarities are what also made their rivalry pretty good, because it was more on an even keel, especially acting-wise lol, I just think it would have made more sense for them to become friends or at least frenemies especially given that they had no previous bad history between them, unlike for instance Nicole and Chloe did which made the idea of them being friends ridiculous.
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It may be late in the game, but I think the scribes could still work on making Nicole and Theresa a little less antagonistic toward one another. They don't have to be best buds, but it would be nice for them to have someone to talk to since everyone in town thinks they're worthless and beneath notice.
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Jun 7 2014, 01:34 PM
I'm going to assume that my definition of family turning their back on you is different from others, because I can only think of one time Sami's family very briefly (like for one episode) did that. I agree that that's the issue for Nicole, though. She gets humiliated and loses everything and there's no one there for her. I suppose Daniel was supposed to be in that role, but Daniel doesn't even know Nicole, and he certainly doesn't know Nicole's actual history. Nicole is typically fine, and she usually does stand right back up and dust herself off, but it would be nice if she had a sidekick at the very least. One of my biggest issues with Nicole is that her friendships are always full of WTF and you have to do a lot of fanwanking/forgetting to make the friendships work. The people who are currently angry with her, SHOULD be angry with her, so she really needs someone that's also actually somewhat of an outsider. I think Ava and oddly enough Jan would have been good options, but it's hard to pinpoint an appropriate Nicole accomplice. Theresa would have worked if they hadn't gone in the completely opposite direction of that with the two of them. There's no real history there, so I guess they could still make that happen if it would occur to them. It'd really help Theresa as a character, too, if her BFF wasn't a random dayplayer.

I do not remember Sami's family standing by her except when she was on death row and we all know she was innocent because Lucas was the one who committed the murder.

When Sami got busted as Stan, her family did not stand by her. Lucas and Will both turned their back on her, ready to burn her at the stakes. The only person who stood by her was austin. when she cheated on Rafe and got dumped, her family did not support her all that much. Marlena was too busy encouraging Carrie to steal her husband. When she was set up with Brandon by Kate and lost her job, she desperately turned to john because she had no one else, he just ignored her because he was fucking Kate at the time. All those years when Sami schemed to get Austin and got busted, Marlena along with the other Bradys could not wait to burn her at the stake. Marlena even physically assaulted Sami a few times. Mother dearest just loved telling Sami what a disappointment she was and what a terrible person she was.

Now let's compare how Marlena treated Carrie all the times she cheated on Austin. Marlena was caring and supportive just like a good mother would be. She was also understanding and supportive of Belle when she cheated on Shawn D. So I know Marlena is capable of loving her kids unconditionally even when they mess up, just not Sami. I know the bradys have always eventually forgiven Sami, but it was never overnight like you implied. she had to grovel and beg and pretend to have change in order to get their forgiveness until she screws up again....

I specifically remember the last time she got busted for scheming against Caustin. The family washed their hands off of her and did not even invite her to their double wedding. she was disowned by everyone. When she went to the wedding to make a scene completely drunk, they kicked her out like trash. A loving family would made sure she got home safely and make sure she did not harm herself since she was wreck. Instead they stayed and celebrated without giving a damn about Sami. Ej was the one who was there for her and they had no history. Sometimes not having a history is a blessing compared to having shitty history.

In order for Sami's family to finally accept her. she had to actually change and to prove it she had to set up Ej for the police. yeah her loving family let her set up a dangerous criminal in order to prove that she was worthy. Then she had to save lucas' life. Those are the reasons she stopped being the black sheep of the family. Even now, she is on thin ice with them because of her relationship with Ej.

Now that marlena has found out about Rivergate, I can not wait for her to rip into Sami once again and tell her how disappointed she is of of her (never mind that she has committed attempted murder herself and put Stefano in a coma for months). let's see if she hugs and forgives Sami the same day like you said.
I am not saying they were not right because Sami was a mess back then, but I did not see any compassion or empathy from Mommy dearest and the rest of them. The only family that cared about Sami was Roman and Caroline. Then they were hardly on, so Sami did not really benefit from their support.

Sorry I got carried away LOL. This is such a sore subject for me that I could go on and on. I am still bitter about what a shitty mother Marlena was to Sami over the years. I know her fans don't agree and think Sami is the devil incarnated, but Marlena created her. so she gets full credit in my book.
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I just don't undersand the constant kvetching about Nicole's treatment or "annual humiliation". Doesn't this happen with every character with a secret? I mean, how many times was Sami Brady humiliated and exposed infront of the whole town? Why is this different? Wasn't Kristen humiliated twice last year? How about EJ? The whole town (minus Sami, Will and Gabi) treats him like a pariah and throws his misdeeds at him all the time, so why should Nicole be any different? People even treat Theresa worse than anyone and she hasn't done much.
The difference for me is that those other characters win so often. Sami's won the man of her dreams many times over. At one point she had three men on screen, hot, sexy leading men, who all wanted to be with her. She's the object of desire. Men would do ANYTHING for her - including kidnapping, murder, etc. She may have had her downs, but Sami's also had a lot of ups. Not to mention that the Bradys stand behind her all the time now. In the past they would call her on her crap, but now she's just made of awesome and they all love her.

EJ's another who gets what he wants. And even if people don't like him, no one is slut-shaming him or bringing up things that he was forced to do against his will as a teenager.

I'm not saying those characters don't get punished - they do. But I don't see anyone on the show who is so often the subject of public derision and humiliation as Nicole.

I don't see anyone taking her side when it comes to the porn she did. No one defends her. No one points out that she was forced to do it by her father. Instead, they constantly refer to it and what a slut/skank/whore she is.

Nicole wants a baby more than anything in the world. And she's been pregnant multiple times with miracle babies and lost them all.

Nicole can't find anyone who will love and accept her as she is that 1) isn't in love with someone else, 2) won't turn on her in a second if she acts like Nicole, and 3) isn't just using her until something better comes along.

She never wins. She's never the object of desire. She's never pursued by multiple men all dying to be with her. Nicole is always, always, always the loser. In love, in family, in happiness. As a fan, I'm more than a little tired of it. I'd like to see her win and win big.
I don't know if i can agree with that. As a Sami fan, I watched with frustration as she is being publicly humiliated time after time for years. How many times has Sami being busted for something she did? I can assure you Sami has been publicly humiliated more times than Nicole and her family absolutely did not stand by her back then. They turned their backs on her more often than not.

Sami and Nicole are survivors and they always end up on their feet no matter what. I think things only started to turn around for Sami in 2006 when Ej came along. Suddenly, she had 2 men fighting for her and she learned to see herself through their eyes. Nicole had 2 men wanting her as well at one time. Brady was in love with her while she was involved with Ej the first time around. The only difference is that she made the wrong choice, instead of scheming to hold on to ej who never loved the way she deserved it, she should have chosen Brady who then loved her unconditionally and was willing to fight for her.

I know it is not a popular opinion, but Nicole will be just fine. She always think it is the end of the world when she loses her men and yet she always ends up back on her feet just like sami. She had the same meltdown when she lost Brady, when Ej dumped and again when Daniel dumped her. I do think Daniel will be there for her and Danicole will be revisited.
She dumped EJ the last time.
what does that have to do with my post?
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I agree that Nicole needs someone on her side. Granted she shoots herself in the foot all the time but considering her childhood sometimes she needs to catch a break.

Kim Zimmer is a fantastic actress and she would be a great addition to this show. Two kindred spirit characters for this show would be interesting with AZ and KZ.

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Jun 7 2014, 01:34 PM
I'm going to assume that my definition of family turning their back on you is different from others, because I can only think of one time Sami's family very briefly (like for one episode) did that. I agree that that's the issue for Nicole, though. She gets humiliated and loses everything and there's no one there for her. I suppose Daniel was supposed to be in that role, but Daniel doesn't even know Nicole, and he certainly doesn't know Nicole's actual history. Nicole is typically fine, and she usually does stand right back up and dust herself off, but it would be nice if she had a sidekick at the very least. One of my biggest issues with Nicole is that her friendships are always full of WTF and you have to do a lot of fanwanking/forgetting to make the friendships work. The people who are currently angry with her, SHOULD be angry with her, so she really needs someone that's also actually somewhat of an outsider. I think Ava and oddly enough Jan would have been good options, but it's hard to pinpoint an appropriate Nicole accomplice. Theresa would have worked if they hadn't gone in the completely opposite direction of that with the two of them. There's no real history there, so I guess they could still make that happen if it would occur to them. It'd really help Theresa as a character, too, if her BFF wasn't a random dayplayer.
It would've been nice if Nicole realized Theresa was troubled and reached out to her for Eric's sake. It would've made sense for them to get closer and it would've been natural. Instead, we see Nicole attacking Theresa and hypocritically calling her slut and a screw-up. The writers ruin every potential relationship because they're so determined to prop up Daniel and Jennifer.
For some reason the show doesn't really seem to do friendships, expect for men. I mean, it seems that people like Daniel, Rafe, Brady and Eric are people who are always portrayed as being friends even if it might be off screen. But there's no rivalry. With the women, there just doesn't seem to be such a thing. Nicole, Kristen, Sami, Theresa, Jennifer, Kate, etc. are always more likely to be adversaries or rivals than friends. Like take Nicole and Kristen for instance, even though many found it delicious to have them as adversaries and thought their rivalry was gold, in the long run they could have just as easily have been friends, I mean, they're so similar in so many ways, and Nicole even pointed it out several times. I suppose the similarities are what also made their rivalry pretty good, because it was more on an even keel, especially acting-wise lol, I just think it would have made more sense for them to become friends or at least frenemies especially given that they had no previous bad history between them, unlike for instance Nicole and Chloe did which made the idea of them being friends ridiculous.
This is one of the reasons it is hard for me to be sympathetic toward Nicole. She was so judgemental toward Kristen over the Brady thing. I am not talking about her raping Eric. I am talking about when Bristen broke up the first time. What Kristen did was no worse than the things Nicole has done over the years. Yet she got on her high horse and was throwing stones at Kristen. She went on a mission to destroy Kristen because she(Kristen) was so evil and did not deserve to be forgiven and get another chance. Meanwhile, Nicole has done her share of nefarious things to Brady, Daniel, Ej and Eric. Then months later, she turns around and do this to Eric who she claims to love and except to be forgiven overnight.

I can deal a messed Nicole (i find her captivation when she is being bad), but I can not deal with the holier than thou sanctimonious hypocrite she was when she was trying to pretend she changed. It also infuriates me the way she treated and trashed Teresa. A woman like Nicole who has slept with almost every man in Salem (like a nympho) should never ever call another woman a slut. She should take a look in a damn mirror before she says anything like that. Teressa is troubled, but she has only slept with one person in Salem.
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I really wish they'd give Nicole a hot new love interest. Someone that fully embraced her for who she was and didn't want her to change. I'd like for him to have a darker edge too and not be so saintly like Eric but at the same time treat Nicole with nothing but love and respect and put to rest her insecurity issues.
I definitely would like Nicole to have a new love interest, as I said in the uptrhead.

It's very frustrating. I think the writers wanted to "gift" Nicole with Daniel's friendship. Whatever the character has done, I enjoyed the months when she was trying to be a better person and truly cared about Eric. Seeing Daniel yell at her for a week isn't entertaining. It just makes me sad. Then, after Daniel does his yelling. Eric gets to yell. Yes, she was wrong and they wrote her very wrong and desperate, but it still is ugly and mean writing considering how much I wanted to see her be a better person. And by better, not transformed into a goody two shoes, but someone who does the right thing with regard to those she loves.
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I'm going to assume that my definition of family turning their back on you is different from others, because I can only think of one time Sami's family very briefly (like for one episode) did that. I agree that that's the issue for Nicole, though. She gets humiliated and loses everything and there's no one there for her. I suppose Daniel was supposed to be in that role, but Daniel doesn't even know Nicole, and he certainly doesn't know Nicole's actual history. Nicole is typically fine, and she usually does stand right back up and dust herself off, but it would be nice if she had a sidekick at the very least. One of my biggest issues with Nicole is that her friendships are always full of WTF and you have to do a lot of fanwanking/forgetting to make the friendships work. The people who are currently angry with her, SHOULD be angry with her, so she really needs someone that's also actually somewhat of an outsider. I think Ava and oddly enough Jan would have been good options, but it's hard to pinpoint an appropriate Nicole accomplice. Theresa would have worked if they hadn't gone in the completely opposite direction of that with the two of them. There's no real history there, so I guess they could still make that happen if it would occur to them. It'd really help Theresa as a character, too, if her BFF wasn't a random dayplayer.
It would've been nice if Nicole realized Theresa was troubled and reached out to her for Eric's sake. It would've made sense for them to get closer and it would've been natural. Instead, we see Nicole attacking Theresa and hypocritically calling her slut and a screw-up. The writers ruin every potential relationship because they're so determined to prop up Daniel and Jennifer.
For some reason the show doesn't really seem to do friendships, expect for men. I mean, it seems that people like Daniel, Rafe, Brady and Eric are people who are always portrayed as being friends even if it might be off screen. But there's no rivalry. With the women, there just doesn't seem to be such a thing. Nicole, Kristen, Sami, Theresa, Jennifer, Kate, etc. are always more likely to be adversaries or rivals than friends. Like take Nicole and Kristen for instance, even though many found it delicious to have them as adversaries and thought their rivalry was gold, in the long run they could have just as easily have been friends, I mean, they're so similar in so many ways, and Nicole even pointed it out several times. I suppose the similarities are what also made their rivalry pretty good, because it was more on an even keel, especially acting-wise lol, I just think it would have made more sense for them to become friends or at least frenemies especially given that they had no previous bad history between them, unlike for instance Nicole and Chloe did which made the idea of them being friends ridiculous.
This is one of the reasons it is hard for me to be sympathetic toward Nicole. She was so judgemental toward Kristen over the Brady thing. I am not talking about her raping Eric. I am talking about when Bristen broke up the first time. What Kristen did was no worse than the things Nicole has done over the years. Yet she got on her high horse and was throwing stones at Kristen. She went on a mission to destroy Kristen because she(Kristen) was so evil and did not deserve to be forgiven and get another chance. Meanwhile, Nicole has done her share of nefarious things to Brady, Daniel, Ej and Eric. Then months later, she turns around and do this to Eric who she claims to love and except to be forgiven overnight.

I can deal a messed Nicole (i find her captivation when she is being bad), but I can not deal with the holier than thou sanctimonious hypocrite she was when she was trying to pretend she changed. It also infuriates me the way she treated and trashed Teresa. A woman like Nicole who has slept with almost every man in Salem (like a nympho) should never ever call another woman a slut. She should take a look in a damn mirror before she says anything like that. Teressa is troubled, but she has only slept with one person in Salem.
With this I totally agree with. The thing that turns me off with Nicole is if she's smug, sanctimonious and a hypocrite towards other women, especially Kristen. It's not just the character on the show either, it's the viewers aswell. If that is the case, it makes me not root for Nicole at all.
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Sometimes people like that are smug and sanctimonious due to deep rooted insecurities, and that's why I like Nicole and that's why I liked the Sami of old. I understand it cause, hell, I can be smug and sanctimonious due to insecurities! :D I just think AZ brings that out better than AS did.
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I don't understand how Nicole could judge anyone when she slept with a father and his son and a grandfather and his grandson. It's just icky in so many levels and yet she judges people all the time. Who is she to judge Theresa when she committed worse crimes?

And the way she kept inserting herself into Brady and Kristen's relationship and even begging Marlena and Victor to be part of it was such a turn off for me.

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To be fair, both Kristen and Theresa have trashed talked Nicole too. And Kristen was only too happy to let the everyone think that Nicole was the one who raped Eric. And Nicole's not the only one who slept with members of the same family, Sami slept with two brothers and Kristen's slept with a father and son.
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I don't see Nicole as sanctimonious, but hey that's me and my opinion. I see her as committing questionable acts and then criticizing others, something that many Salemites do. How many of them haven't committed a crime or two or a dozen but still try to call someone else out for doing something similar? In Salem, hypocrisy rules. (Latest example: Dan and Jenn's quest for truth when they both have secrets themselves)
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Jun 8 2014, 12:54 PM
To be fair, both Kristen and Theresa have trashed talked Nicole too. And Kristen was only too happy to let the everyone think that Nicole was the one who raped Eric. And Nicole's not the only one who slept with members of the same family, Sami slept with two brothers and Kristen's slept with a father and son.
Amen! To call Nicole hypocritical when the rest of Salem does so for worse reasons doesn't make sense to me. Why did she attack Theresa? Because Theresa was going after her friends. Why did she attack Kristen? Because she was actively scheming against John and Marlena using Brady. I know she fell in love with Brady later and wanted a life with him, but by then she had already destroyed herself. Sometimes with Sami it's almost like she's bored and wants to have fun. For example, the upcoming catfight between Sami and Nicole. At this point Sami will know Nicole and Eric broke up. Unless she finds out about the evidence shredding, she has no reason to gun for Nicole other than sheer spite. If she does, its an example of her behavior.
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