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SOD: Julie confronts Gabi
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Topic Started: Jun 6 2014, 01:27 AM (6,757 Views)
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Jun 6 2014, 03:13 PM
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The key thing here is basically "the bond happened off camera". Susan is well aware there weren't any scenes that makes Julie's connection to Nick flow to the audience. There should have been...but there weren't any that were substantial. Honestly, the defender and protector of Nick should've been Maggie. Viewers who saw Nick's first run understand that! Oh well. I love Julie and look forward to seeing her even if it doesn't make sense.
I understand Maggie's defense of Nick sometimes. And I understand her caring for him. BUT Melanie is her granddaughter. Nick, I believe, was her nephew. I thought at one time he was her grandson, but didn't the writers change the family dynamics to make him a nephew? I don't know. In any case, Maggie had to be on Daniel's and Melanie's sides in this. She tried to help Nick and it backfired. Julie was the better champion for Nick. Nathan was her grandson. Nick has always been Joshua and Jessica's son, making him Mickey's niece's son.
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Jun 6 2014, 03:47 PM
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Julie is so upset at Nick's death that she "takes a long journey away from Salem." Lollololololooo - See ya!!! :blulaugh:
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My feelings about this are strong because I think Susan would rock soul searching scenes. And I also acknowledge there were times when Julie recognized that Nick still had serious problems and times when she seemed oblivious - but you know, you could chalk that up to inconsistent writing or the fact that people are inconsistent and develop blind spots about people they love. It's just that Sonny expressed guilt for bringing the gun into the house. Will expressed guilt for not standing up to Nick the first time he blackmailed him. Rafe expressed guilt for not recognizing how trapped Gabi felt. Hope seems incredibly guilty for not seeing just how disturbed Nick was and how many people he hurt. None of these people are responsible for Gabi's actions, but there is a general sense that the situation did not need to come what it did. None of this means that Gabi did right when she killed Nick, it just means that the situation that drove her to it could have been prevented on multiple fronts and I wish Julie was more fully used so that she could get to play some of the soul searching that comes along with that.
It was ridiculous how Julie disappeared immediately after the shooting. She should've been around grieving, pushing Hope and the police to find Nick's killer, talking to Will and Gabi about Nick. She should've done her own rogue investigation.
And during the investigation, she could have uncovered just how many people Nick hurt - including Will and Abigail who are also her cousins. Again, this doesn't mean she doesn't have a right to be angry at Gabi, but seeing that there were a half dozen or more people with a solid motive to kill Nick could have at least given her pause. On a side note, ISTM that Julie blatantly preferred Nick to Will and I wish the writers had explained the reasons for that.
Too late now, though, and TBH, it doesn't bother me that Julie's leaving town. I'm sure she was great back in the day, but I found her really annoying under TomSell, except for that day she got high.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:24 PM
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It was ridiculous how Julie disappeared immediately after the shooting. She should've been around grieving, pushing Hope and the police to find Nick's killer, talking to Will and Gabi about Nick. She should've done her own rogue investigation.
And during the investigation, she could have uncovered just how many people Nick hurt - including Will and Abigail who are also her cousins. Again, this doesn't mean she doesn't have a right to be angry at Gabi, but seeing that there were a half dozen or more people with a solid motive to kill Nick could have at least given her pause.
On a side note, ISTM that Julie blatantly preferred Nick to Will and I wish the writers had explained the reasons for that. Too late now, though, and TBH, it doesn't bother me that Julie's leaving town. I'm sure she was great back in the day, but I found her really annoying under TomSell, except for that day she got high. I didn't see Julie as blatantly preferring Nick to Will.I saw her as believing Nick needed her more than Will needed her.Will had the entire Horton family,the Brady family, the Kiriakis family,and Kate to support him.Who did Nick have other than Maggie,Julie,and Hope?
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Jun 6 2014, 05:32 PM
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides.
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Jun 6 2014, 05:47 PM
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To be fair, Will doesn't seem that interested in the Hortons either. He spends more time with EJ than with his own father. And I remember while the Hortons were keeping vigil for Alice that Doug had a conversation with Will about Will working for Stefano. Doug was appalled after everything Stefano had done to Will's family but Will just shrugged and said something along the lines that Stefano had mellowed and was cool now.
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You have a point. I think the issue goes back to something touched on earlier in the thread - Julie and Nick's instabond. If the show had done more to show Nick and Julie's closeness and Will's lack of a connection with the Hortons, it would have all made more sense.
But the thing is that I've never really gotten the impression that we were supposed to think that Will isn't close to the rest of the Hortons. The show isn't really interested in the Horton family unit except on Christmas, so we don't see Will with them a lot, but when Will is with that side of the family, he doesn't act like he feels out of place or like he doesn't want to be there. And the family is supposed to be close-knit, so I always figured that they interacted a lot off screen.
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Jun 6 2014, 06:25 PM
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All the good stuff happens off-screen apparently!
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Jun 6 2014, 07:32 PM
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This week's SOD features a short article about Julie and Gabi.
Julie wants to ask the judge to make Gabi's sentence worse, but Hope tells her that's not what Nick would have wanted.
Julie talks to Gabi, but even though Gabi is very upset, Julie still doesn't understand why she did it. Hayes shares that "though much of it took place off camera, Julie felt a strong bond with Nick." Julie is so upset at Nick's death that she "takes a long journey away from Salem."
Pick up the latest Digest for more details! I understand why Julie's upset, but her view of Nick is incredibly myopic.
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Jun 6 2014, 08:02 PM
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides. Will obviously would have Lucas since Lucas is his father but he also had Abby and JJ who disliked Nick even though to the best of my knowledge he never saw prior to leaving Salem and had no personal interaction with once they were both in Salem.Jennifer was off saving Daniel so hence she had no involvement.Julie was hardly in Salem once Nick arrived in Salem and no clued her or Hope in on what nick was doing,therefore,she did not have a clear understanding of why Will did not want his cousin at his wedding.That was the only time I recall Julie having a problem with how Will treated Nick.To the best of my knowledge no one told Jule,Hope,or Maggie that Nick tried to blackmail Will into giving up custody to Arianna.I also do not recall anyone telling them of the homophobic remarks made by Nick.I don't see how Julie can be expected to understand the dynamics of the relationship between Nick and Will when she was away from Salem 95% of the time once Nick returned to Salem and no one would tell her what Nick actually said and did.She is not omniscient and does not have the contacts of Stefano,Victor,and EJ.
Edit:Abby was practically crying when she apologized to Will for giving Nick Aiden's name.
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Jun 6 2014, 08:18 PM
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Maybe SSH was a good actress back in the day. I can't speak for that, but she has been awful for years.
Sooo, bye!
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides.
Will obviously would have Lucas since Lucas is his father but he also had Abby and JJ who disliked Nick even though to the best of my knowledge he never saw prior to leaving Salem and had no personal interaction with once they were both in Salem.Jennifer was off saving Daniel so hence she had no involvement.Julie was hardly in Salem once Nick arrived in Salem and no clued her or Hope in on what nick was doing,therefore,she did not have a clear understanding of why Will did not want his cousin at his wedding.That was the only time I recall Julie having a problem with how Will treated Nick.To the best of my knowledge no one told Jule,Hope,or Maggie that Nick tried to blackmail Will into giving up custody to Arianna.I also do not recall anyone telling them of the homophobic remarks made by Nick.I don't see how Julie can be expected to understand the dynamics of the relationship between Nick and Will when she was away from Salem 95% of the time once Nick returned to Salem and no one would tell her what Nick actually said and did.She is not omniscient and does not have the contacts of Stefano,Victor,and EJ. Edit:Abby was practically crying when she apologized to Will for giving Nick Aiden's name. We're not even talking about the same time frame. I don't think JJ was even in town when people (viewers, not characters) noticed that Julie seemed to have a preference for Nick over Will (which was during the point that Nick was trying to blackmail Will into giving up his parental rights) and Abby certainly didn't dislike Nick at that point, either. I don't think Abby disliked Nick at all until he confronted her about sleeping with EJ. Julie sensed the tension between Will and Nick back then, and even Sami pointed out that Will was a Horton too and that it seemed like Julie was taking Nick's side. Then we also had Hope wading in and assuring Nick that the Hortons were on his side.
Nobody has asked that Julie be omniscient or said that she should have understood the dynamics between her cousins. The fact that she had very little information about what was going on was exactly why it was so jarring that she seemed to feel that she was informed enough to take sides.
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides.
Will obviously would have Lucas since Lucas is his father but he also had Abby and JJ who disliked Nick even though to the best of my knowledge he never saw prior to leaving Salem and had no personal interaction with once they were both in Salem.Jennifer was off saving Daniel so hence she had no involvement.Julie was hardly in Salem once Nick arrived in Salem and no clued her or Hope in on what nick was doing,therefore,she did not have a clear understanding of why Will did not want his cousin at his wedding.That was the only time I recall Julie having a problem with how Will treated Nick.To the best of my knowledge no one told Jule,Hope,or Maggie that Nick tried to blackmail Will into giving up custody to Arianna.I also do not recall anyone telling them of the homophobic remarks made by Nick.I don't see how Julie can be expected to understand the dynamics of the relationship between Nick and Will when she was away from Salem 95% of the time once Nick returned to Salem and no one would tell her what Nick actually said and did.She is not omniscient and does not have the contacts of Stefano,Victor,and EJ. Edit:Abby was practically crying when she apologized to Will for giving Nick Aiden's name.
We're not even talking about the same time frame. I don't think JJ was even in town when people (viewers, not characters) noticed that Julie seemed to have a preference for Nick over Will (which was during the point that Nick was trying to blackmail Will into giving up his parental rights) and Abby certainly didn't dislike Nick at that point, either. I don't think Abby disliked Nick at all until he confronted her about sleeping with EJ. Julie sensed the tension between Will and Nick back then, and even Sami pointed out that Will was a Horton too and that it seemed like Julie was taking Nick's side. Then we also had Hope wading in and assuring Nick that the Hortons were on his side. Nobody has asked that Julie be omniscient or said that she should have understood the dynamics between her cousins. The fact that she had very little information about what was going on was exactly why it was so jarring that she seemed to feel that she was informed enough to take sides. As I previously posted,I don't think Julie was "taking sides".As a family member who has had personal contact with Nick and Will,I think she has sufficient basis for supporting Nick because the only support he was receiving was basically from Hope and Maggie so he needed her more than Will who had a strong family support system in Salem.Since we obviously view Julie differently,I am just going to agree to disagree about Julie.I like SSH and have a soft spot for Julie.I hold the writers responsible for her behavior.I just don't understand why they chose to write her as questioning Will's behavior toward Nick instead of just focusing on her helping Nick the way they did the day Nick was shot.That was the best writing for Julie since she was involved in the story of Nick's release from prison.
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This week's SOD features a short article about Julie and Gabi.
Julie wants to ask the judge to make Gabi's sentence worse, but Hope tells her that's not what Nick would have wanted.
Julie talks to Gabi, but even though Gabi is very upset, Julie still doesn't understand why she did it. Hayes shares that "though much of it took place off camera, Julie felt a strong bond with Nick." Julie is so upset at Nick's death that she "takes a long journey away from Salem."
Pick up the latest Digest for more details!
I understand why Julie's upset, but her view of Nick is incredibly myopic. Yeah Julie has a very distorted view of Nick.
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides.
Will obviously would have Lucas since Lucas is his father but he also had Abby and JJ who disliked Nick even though to the best of my knowledge he never saw prior to leaving Salem and had no personal interaction with once they were both in Salem.Jennifer was off saving Daniel so hence she had no involvement.Julie was hardly in Salem once Nick arrived in Salem and no clued her or Hope in on what nick was doing,therefore,she did not have a clear understanding of why Will did not want his cousin at his wedding.That was the only time I recall Julie having a problem with how Will treated Nick.To the best of my knowledge no one told Jule,Hope,or Maggie that Nick tried to blackmail Will into giving up custody to Arianna.I also do not recall anyone telling them of the homophobic remarks made by Nick.I don't see how Julie can be expected to understand the dynamics of the relationship between Nick and Will when she was away from Salem 95% of the time once Nick returned to Salem and no one would tell her what Nick actually said and did.She is not omniscient and does not have the contacts of Stefano,Victor,and EJ. Edit:Abby was practically crying when she apologized to Will for giving Nick Aiden's name.
We're not even talking about the same time frame. I don't think JJ was even in town when people (viewers, not characters) noticed that Julie seemed to have a preference for Nick over Will (which was during the point that Nick was trying to blackmail Will into giving up his parental rights) and Abby certainly didn't dislike Nick at that point, either. I don't think Abby disliked Nick at all until he confronted her about sleeping with EJ. Julie sensed the tension between Will and Nick back then, and even Sami pointed out that Will was a Horton too and that it seemed like Julie was taking Nick's side. Then we also had Hope wading in and assuring Nick that the Hortons were on his side. Nobody has asked that Julie be omniscient or said that she should have understood the dynamics between her cousins. The fact that she had very little information about what was going on was exactly why it was so jarring that she seemed to feel that she was informed enough to take sides. If I'm remembering correctly, when Sami asked Julie why she was taking sides she responded that she wasn't. She was trying to get Sami to stop interfering after Sami was pressuring Gabi to take a paternity test. Will was present and agreed with Julie. And to be honest, I think we only saw those scenes because tbtb like to put Julie and Sami together because Sami is supposed to be like younger Julie (although I don't agree with that assessment). I don't remember Julie being around much after that. She certainly didn't know about the blackmail then. I'm still not sure that she knows.
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According to this April 13th tweet, Julie will appear on Days on August 28th -- so she hasn't left forever.
Bill & Susan Hayes @DaysHayes Julie sightings: May 6, 9, 12, June 12, August 28. https://twitter.com/DaysHayes/status/455497951826034689
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Here is the thing, Julie has a right to her angry but she doesn't have the right to demand a court hearing of the DA is willing to plead someone one because they confessed to crimes. And given that Nick only got 4 years for his crimes which included murder something tells me that Gabi's plea isn't even going to be that generous so Gabi actual sentence Julie should probably remain quiet about...
Looking for Gabi to explain herself despite her, Julie, over generous view of the man Nick was is a separate issue but I think this issue clouds her judgment over the fact that Gabi gets plead out.
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides.
Will obviously would have Lucas since Lucas is his father but he also had Abby and JJ who disliked Nick even though to the best of my knowledge he never saw prior to leaving Salem and had no personal interaction with once they were both in Salem.Jennifer was off saving Daniel so hence she had no involvement.Julie was hardly in Salem once Nick arrived in Salem and no clued her or Hope in on what nick was doing,therefore,she did not have a clear understanding of why Will did not want his cousin at his wedding.That was the only time I recall Julie having a problem with how Will treated Nick.To the best of my knowledge no one told Jule,Hope,or Maggie that Nick tried to blackmail Will into giving up custody to Arianna.I also do not recall anyone telling them of the homophobic remarks made by Nick.I don't see how Julie can be expected to understand the dynamics of the relationship between Nick and Will when she was away from Salem 95% of the time once Nick returned to Salem and no one would tell her what Nick actually said and did.She is not omniscient and does not have the contacts of Stefano,Victor,and EJ. Edit:Abby was practically crying when she apologized to Will for giving Nick Aiden's name.
We're not even talking about the same time frame. I don't think JJ was even in town when people (viewers, not characters) noticed that Julie seemed to have a preference for Nick over Will (which was during the point that Nick was trying to blackmail Will into giving up his parental rights) and Abby certainly didn't dislike Nick at that point, either. I don't think Abby disliked Nick at all until he confronted her about sleeping with EJ. Julie sensed the tension between Will and Nick back then, and even Sami pointed out that Will was a Horton too and that it seemed like Julie was taking Nick's side. Then we also had Hope wading in and assuring Nick that the Hortons were on his side. Nobody has asked that Julie be omniscient or said that she should have understood the dynamics between her cousins. The fact that she had very little information about what was going on was exactly why it was so jarring that she seemed to feel that she was informed enough to take sides. I can't remember if it was just implied or straight up said that JJ didn't know Nick 1.0 and didn't like the Nick that he did know. Unlike Abigail and even Will, he only saw the dark Nick and didn't like him. I actually thought that was a nice bit of character building for JJ. I'm sure if JJ knew about Nick's blackmail of Abigail and even Will, he would have been super pissed.
Come to think of it, perhaps JJ and Abigail could have a "it sucks to be blackmailed" conversation once all is reveal.
(And I will never miss an opportunity to cry out to the soap gods that the writers stop making blackmail a plot point for at least a few years.)
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I didn't see Will having the entire Horton family. To the extent that any of that section of the family chimed in on the Nick/Will issues during the period I'm thinking of, - Will had Lucas. The other Hortons either supported Nick or weren't involved. I think you can be supportive without choosing sides.
Will obviously would have Lucas since Lucas is his father but he also had Abby and JJ who disliked Nick even though to the best of my knowledge he never saw prior to leaving Salem and had no personal interaction with once they were both in Salem.Jennifer was off saving Daniel so hence she had no involvement.Julie was hardly in Salem once Nick arrived in Salem and no clued her or Hope in on what nick was doing,therefore,she did not have a clear understanding of why Will did not want his cousin at his wedding.That was the only time I recall Julie having a problem with how Will treated Nick.To the best of my knowledge no one told Jule,Hope,or Maggie that Nick tried to blackmail Will into giving up custody to Arianna.I also do not recall anyone telling them of the homophobic remarks made by Nick.I don't see how Julie can be expected to understand the dynamics of the relationship between Nick and Will when she was away from Salem 95% of the time once Nick returned to Salem and no one would tell her what Nick actually said and did.She is not omniscient and does not have the contacts of Stefano,Victor,and EJ. Edit:Abby was practically crying when she apologized to Will for giving Nick Aiden's name.
We're not even talking about the same time frame. I don't think JJ was even in town when people (viewers, not characters) noticed that Julie seemed to have a preference for Nick over Will (which was during the point that Nick was trying to blackmail Will into giving up his parental rights) and Abby certainly didn't dislike Nick at that point, either. I don't think Abby disliked Nick at all until he confronted her about sleeping with EJ. Julie sensed the tension between Will and Nick back then, and even Sami pointed out that Will was a Horton too and that it seemed like Julie was taking Nick's side. Then we also had Hope wading in and assuring Nick that the Hortons were on his side. Nobody has asked that Julie be omniscient or said that she should have understood the dynamics between her cousins. The fact that she had very little information about what was going on was exactly why it was so jarring that she seemed to feel that she was informed enough to take sides.
If I'm remembering correctly, when Sami asked Julie why she was taking sides she responded that she wasn't. She was trying to get Sami to stop interfering after Sami was pressuring Gabi to take a paternity test. Will was present and agreed with Julie. And to be honest, I think we only saw those scenes because tbtb like to put Julie and Sami together because Sami is supposed to be like younger Julie (although I don't agree with that assessment). I don't remember Julie being around much after that. She certainly didn't know about the blackmail then. I'm still not sure that she knows. I know what she said; I just remember thinking that it wasn't 100% true. :) I can't remember why, at the moment, though.
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Jun 7 2014, 10:05 AM
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To be fair, Will doesn't seem that interested in the Hortons either. He spends more time with EJ than with his own father. And I remember while the Hortons were keeping vigil for Alice that Doug had a conversation with Will about Will working for Stefano. Doug was appalled after everything Stefano had done to Will's family but Will just shrugged and said something along the lines that Stefano had mellowed and was cool now. I don't know about that particular scene but it's not true that Will is not interested in the Hortons. Since we don't see families interacting and we can only infer a whole lot from small discussions, when Nick was released from prison Will was overjoyed and talked about how his family was happy. And when Nick was at his most homophobic bullying, Sonny suggested that they expose his homophobia to everyone, and Will countered that would hurt his family and he didn't want to do it. And more recently after he discovered what the Coven did, he was worried about what that would do to his family.
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