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Monday, June 9th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 7 2014, 01:24 AM (18,229 Views)
PALMommy
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blueskies
Jun 9 2014, 11:19 PM
Supergirlx2
Jun 9 2014, 09:56 PM
:laugh: okay this one's hilarious.
HOLY CRAP! That's freakin' funny! I missed it the first time. She's like, "Uh mom? Uh someone? ANYONE!?!?" :teehee:
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Kaha
Jun 9 2014, 11:28 PM
KAM
Jun 9 2014, 10:32 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 10:17 PM
Supergirlx2
Jun 9 2014, 10:04 PM
Awesome, as usual girl. Those of Princess Jenny of Orange!? Yipes and well, more yipes! Some of those caps are downright horrifying!
OMG, Yes. She looks even worse than she came across when I watched her on air.

IMO, MR's acting choices have made Jennifer come across as unbalanced ever since Jack's return. If they ever do the mental breakdown story I want, they sure will have a lot of flashbacks to show it's been a long time coming. #JenMental
I never trust those screen caps. I actually didn't find MR's acting in these scenes OTT or problematic. IMO, she used the appropriate emotion level in her confrontation with Nicole. Those scenes didn't bother me. I actually enjoyed them.

I thought she did good too! That scene between Nicole and Jennifer was good today. But those screen caps are just scary stuff. :run:
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Jun 9 2014, 11:27 PM
Kaha
Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I understand not grieving a person who was terrorizing you/blackmailing you (Abigail) or a distant cousin you don't like and hardly knew (JJ), but Jennifer is close to Maggie and Hope and Julie. She should also at least be in touch with Jessica. She should have some compassion for their feelings, and also Jennifer didn't know about Nick's blackmailing ways, did she?

There were quite a few people on the canvas that didn't know the depth of Nick's problems, and I'm pretty sure Jennifer was one of them. But then again she sees and knows all.
The way I worded my comment might've been misleading. I am actually not faulting Abigail or JJ for not caring that much about Nick. JJ was not close to Nick and he didn't even like him so it makes sense that he was worried about the effect Gabi's arrest would have on the two cousins he's close to and their baby. And Abby is probably having loads of conflicting emotions. I just found her self-absorption a bit much.

My disdain though goes to Jen. She's been milking Nick's murder for sympathy since he was shot and when she found out about the killer, her first instinct was to rush to console the killer's brother instead of her own family. From a family prespective, that was just strange.

In any case, I don't actually care about Nick and I want Gabi's goodbye tour to come to an end so that I don't hear about Nick anymore.
Edited by Kaha, Jun 9 2014, 11:46 PM.
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Jun 9 2014, 07:07 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 06:40 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 06:19 PM

I don't think we can just swap characters like that, unless we're also swapping character traits. In this scenario, is Aiden a dishonest person who'll go to any length to deceive Hope? Does Jennifer overhear that Aiden has been given multiple chances to come clean and has instead chosen to cover up his lie with another lie? I'll concede that Jennifer wasn't being a very good friend to Nicole when she went behind her back and told Eric the truth, but I don't think it necessarily follows that Jen is jealous. She could have also realized that it's better not to have any friends than to have a friend like Nicole and that confronting Nicole would only give her another chance to think up another way to mislead Eric into thinking she really had his best interest at heart.
Well, and that was part of why I was having trouble coming up with names to swap.

Re: Jen being jealous -- in her conversation with Eric, she talked about the problem she has with Dan and Nicole's friendship. I can't recall if she flat-out said she was jealous or if she just hinted at it, but the groundwork was laid for it. We do know she was affected by her feelings toward Nicole and Dicole's friendship. It's not a leap to say some part of her motivation and her choices about her actions came from her insecurity about Dicole.
I'm not saying it's a leap to speculate that she is jealous. I'm saying it's not a foregone conclusion, because she had valid reasons to bypass Nicole and go straight to Eric. Also, facilitating the break up between your boyfriend's ex and her current bf doesn't seem like a jealous move. The jealous thing to do would have been to let ericole get married and move out of town and out of Daniel's life.
It occurs to me that, while Kristen and Jen were buddies, Bristen and Dannifer would have been good characters to swap out for Ericole and Dannifer in my earlier example. Jen wouldn't have gone to Brady, she would have confronted Kristen first. And I think the insecurity argument holds here because Jen was never jealous or insecure of Kristen and Dan's friendship, but you could argue that Kristen and Nicole have similar pasts and similar reasons for Jen to be distrustful of them.

Anyhow. To your statement about facilitating the breakup -- keeping the secret from Eric and letting Eric/Nicole leave town was never going to happen so I don't feel like that's really an option on the table. Either Dan or Jen was going to confront Nicole and force her to tell him the truth and, failing that, go to Eric directly.

If she had confronted Nicole and forced her to tell Eric, there's no reason for Nicole to be angry at Daniel.
If she confronted Daniel, he would have said he was handling it and she still would have had to confront Nicole. Same result.
Blowing up Ericole the way she did seems more personal.

You're right that Jen's motivations are somewhat murky, largely due to the lack of decent dialogue in this episode. We know that most of the conversation today involved Daniel on some level and that Jen's concern for Eric (whether or not it was believable) was almost an afterthought. We can blame Cherrill for that.

Maybe we'll find out more when Dan confronts Jen.
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Jun 9 2014, 11:35 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:19 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 09:56 PM
:laugh: okay this one's hilarious.
HOLY CRAP! That's freakin' funny! I missed it the first time. She's like, "Uh mom? Uh someone? ANYONE!?!?" :teehee:
the last ones look like she's going "where did the hot pretty boy go?"
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Is this a return of bad boy JJ? I was not expecting that today. A few weeks he told Teresa that he didn't get into fights anymore, but he did today
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I just posted a full episode from January 1986 in the Classic thread where 16 year old Jennifer sneaks back into the house after having been out all night. Bo, Hope, Steve, Maggie, Mickey, Pete, Melissa, Mike, Robin, & Alice are also featured. It pretty much sums up the Jennifer Rose Horton I miss.
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Jun 9 2014, 11:40 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 10:32 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 10:17 PM
OMG, Yes. She looks even worse than she came across when I watched her on air.

IMO, MR's acting choices have made Jennifer come across as unbalanced ever since Jack's return. If they ever do the mental breakdown story I want, they sure will have a lot of flashbacks to show it's been a long time coming. #JenMental
I never trust those screen caps. I actually didn't find MR's acting in these scenes OTT or problematic. IMO, she used the appropriate emotion level in her confrontation with Nicole. Those scenes didn't bother me. I actually enjoyed them.

I thought she did good too! That scene between Nicole and Jennifer was good today. But those screen caps are just scary stuff. :run:
I agree that the Jennifer-Nicole confrontation today was supposed to be highly charged. However, I have been watching MR's line delivery closely for a long time now. She almost always goes for the same angry, judgmental tone whether the situation actually warrants it or not. I don't like how her Fetch episodes have been written for her, but I really don't like the character any more because of her.

It has bothered me ever since MR's early MarDar scenes with Jack at the Christmas gathering, when Jennifer discovered that Abby had invited her father, while she had invited Daniel. The way MR delivered the lines then was tinged with anger and almost hatred that Jack had the effrontery to cause her embarrassment with Daniel. I found it so extreme that I looked up the transcript to see how the lines could be read. I found that the lines as written did not need to come out that way.

I don't know why MR's emotional range for Jennifer is so limited now...but I hold her as much or more accountable than the writers for making the character so much less likable. For a Horton Sweetheart, Jennifer is almost never truly sweet nor does she show much heart anymore. JMO, of course.
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Jun 9 2014, 06:09 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 05:44 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 01:56 PM

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I found her quite a bit more likable because of the things she said to Nicole today. Also, it was wrong of Daniel and Nicole to keep Eric in the dark for so long and I'm glad someone finally told him the truth. It clearly wasn't ever going to be Nicole, and Daniel was way too trusting of Nicole to ever make sure she told the truth.
How long did Daniel keep Eric in the dark for. ( In Salem days)
I'm not sure how many "Salem Days", but Daniel discovered the papers on the 8th or 9th of May.
He confronted her on the 15th of May when Nicole was wearing a white top.
she went home bedded Eric
changed into a black dress for May 21/23/27
and was in the top she was wearing today by June 2/3 when Jen told Eric.

I think is was 2 days tops.
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The Kate and Gabi scenes made me cry
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Jun 9 2014, 01:39 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 01:27 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 12:23 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 12:16 PM
Immaneed Nicole to punch Jennifer in the face....
That's what Im screaming!!!! There should be alot of animosity brought up in Nicole's mind right now. While it can be argued (and I'm not trying to beat that horse again), but I still believe Nicole was delirious when Jennifer argued Nicole to near death resulting in her fall when she was pregnant with the sadly dead baby. Jennifer had NO right arguing with Nicole in such a hostile manner whether Nicole was hostile or not. She should've walked away. Nicole and Jennifer being friends is the most ridiculous thing since Austin and Greta went to the Garden Of Eden. Or when Mike and Carrie went on a magic carpet ride!!! Sorry, but this fan is team Nicole....would Nicole had told Eric the truth? Prolly not with these writers BUT how was it Jennifer's business? She's a haggard gossipy orange dick sprung shrew who makes everything in town about her and Daniel. I want Nicole to slap the shit out of her just one time. And to think she's crying over how Daniel is affected by what Nicole hid from Eric? If I were SC, I'd be embarrassed. They are writing Daniel as if he's a 9 year old! Pathetic.
Jennifer tried to walk away. Nicole wouldn't let her. She grabbed her, and Jennifer was trying to free herself when Nicole fell.

I wanted to dislike the things Jennifer said, but she was 100% right.
Whether she was right or wrong is irrelevant. You don't pick a fight with a pregnant woman who's pregnancy is high-risk. Something Jennifer did several times because she was just sooo concerned about big bad Nicole manipulating poor widdle defenseless Daniel. :flipoff:
Jennifer is a really shifty version of Penelope Pitstop always in need of hero and heaven forbid Dr. Do It All rescue anyone albeit physically or emotionally other then her. I used to like Jennifer before her involvement with the citrus God.
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Jun 9 2014, 11:27 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I understand not grieving a person who was terrorizing you/blackmailing you (Abigail) or a distant cousin you don't like and hardly knew (JJ), but Jennifer is close to Maggie and Hope and Julie. She should also at least be in touch with Jessica. She should have some compassion for their feelings, and also Jennifer didn't know about Nick's blackmailing ways, did she?

There were quite a few people on the canvas that didn't know the depth of Nick's problems, and I'm pretty sure Jennifer was one of them. But then again she sees and knows all.
Actually, Jennifer wanted to have a memorial service for Nick and Maggie said she doubted anyone would show up.
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Jun 9 2014, 04:17 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:17 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:12 AM
I have been waiting for this Gabi/Abby convo [the Andrew reveal] for so long. I hope the writers do it justice.
I just hope no one tries to pin Jac k's death on Gabi, that was not her fault, in any way! I think Kate said in SOD that Abby still wants to be Gabi's friend, I hope that's how it plays out.
I have to respectfully disagree. I think the whole explosion is Gabi's fault.

The explosion was not Gabi's fault. It wasn't Andrew's fault.

It was the fault of the city of Salem and/or the gas company.

Seriously, if some guy lit a match in the NY subways and there was an explosion because of a gas leak, it would be the person's fault for lighting a match? Even more ridiculous would be blaming the guy's wife for sending him out for eggs.
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Jun 9 2014, 10:30 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 09:14 PM
lmao at Nicole's "Who do you think you are? God?" to Jenny.
I confess that I actually answered to my TV "No, he's in his own apartment talking to Eric..."
You are my HERO! :hail:
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Jun 9 2014, 11:42 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:27 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I understand not grieving a person who was terrorizing you/blackmailing you (Abigail) or a distant cousin you don't like and hardly knew (JJ), but Jennifer is close to Maggie and Hope and Julie. She should also at least be in touch with Jessica. She should have some compassion for their feelings, and also Jennifer didn't know about Nick's blackmailing ways, did she?

There were quite a few people on the canvas that didn't know the depth of Nick's problems, and I'm pretty sure Jennifer was one of them. But then again she sees and knows all.
The way I worded my comment might've been misleading. I am actually not faulting Abigail or JJ for not caring that much about Nick. JJ was not close to Nick and he didn't even like him so it makes sense that he was worried about the effect Gabi's arrest would have on the two cousins he's close to and their baby. And Abby is probably having loads of conflicting emotions. I just found her self-absorption a bit much.

My disdain though goes to Jen. She's been milking Nick's murder for sympathy since he was shot and when she found out about the killer, her first instinct was to rush to console the killer's brother instead of her own family. From a family prespective, that was just strange.

In any case, I don't actually care about Nick and I want Gabi's goodbye tour to come to an end so that I don't hear about Nick anymore.
No, I got what you were saying. I didn't think you were criticizing Abigail and JJ, but I was just adding that their behavior actually makes sense. Jennifer's first concern being Rafe, as opposed to Jessica, Julie, Hope or Maggie is bizarre.

Abigail, I think is going through a rough storm of emotions. Nick's death wasn't about what she thought it was and now she's dealing with a whole other range of feelings based on different revelations about EJ, Nick and now Gabi. And the only person who really has any clue at this point how close Abigail was to the situation is Ben, and he doesn't even know what's really going on.

Is Jennifer close to Rafe at all?
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Jun 9 2014, 11:27 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I understand not grieving a person who was terrorizing you/blackmailing you (Abigail) or a distant cousin you don't like and hardly knew (JJ), but Jennifer is close to Maggie and Hope and Julie. She should also at least be in touch with Jessica. She should have some compassion for their feelings, and also Jennifer didn't know about Nick's blackmailing ways, did she?

There were quite a few people on the canvas that didn't know the depth of Nick's problems, and I'm pretty sure Jennifer was one of them. But then again she sees and knows all.
Jenny couldn't be bothered to show compassion to her PTSD-stricken husband. What happens you think she's going to have any for Nick's family?
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Jun 9 2014, 10:53 PM
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