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Monday, June 9th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 7 2014, 01:24 AM (18,228 Views)
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Miss Rhi
Jun 9 2014, 01:01 PM
james0479
Jun 9 2014, 12:23 PM
Nicole and Jennifer being friends is the most ridiculous thing since Austin and Greta went to the Garden Of Eden. Or when Mike and Carrie went on a magic carpet ride!!!
http://youtu.be/GIdfmYKi3k8
I can't!!! I can NOT! OMG that's so embarrassing. My head is shaking back and forth literally about to fly off my shoulders....much like the magic bed ride. Geez. Thanks for the laugh Rhi ;)
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I am liking Rob Wilson. I hope he has scenes with Eve next week
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The new Ben is growing on me ... he seems to be making more of an impression in a couple of episodes than the other guy did his entire run on the show.

Jen was right about one thing - Nicole was never going to tell Eric - no matter how much Nicole lied and said she would, when she's alone she has said more than once that Eric would never find out. I'm trying to figure out why, now that it's summer, Jen is always wearing outfits with long sleeves while during the winter her outfits were all sleeveless.

Eric appeared to be devastated by what he found in those shredded pages.

I just can't get into this teen 'angst' ... it's just not cutting it for me.

I did enjoy the Kate / Gabi scenes.
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Jun 10 2014, 05:30 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 01:39 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 01:27 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 12:23 PM

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Jennifer tried to walk away. Nicole wouldn't let her. She grabbed her, and Jennifer was trying to free herself when Nicole fell.

I wanted to dislike the things Jennifer said, but she was 100% right.
Whether she was right or wrong is irrelevant. You don't pick a fight with a pregnant woman who's pregnancy is high-risk. Something Jennifer did several times because she was just sooo concerned about big bad Nicole manipulating poor widdle defenseless Daniel. :flipoff:
Jennifer is a really shifty version of Penelope Pitstop always in need of hero and heaven forbid Dr. Do It All rescue anyone albeit physically or emotionally other then her. I used to like Jennifer before her involvement with the citrus God.
I actually used to love Jennifer. When they made the way for her pairing with Dr. Douche..that did it for me. They destroyed her character. I despise her and that bastard. I just want them off of my show.
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I didn't really see Abigail making Gabi's confession all about her. I guess you could say when she said "Gabi was never my friend" to Ben she was making it about herself. That was something Gabi had said to her at the police station. To me there really wasn't much substance to the Gabi/Abigail conversation and I found it disappointing because I was expecting more.
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Jun 9 2014, 11:45 PM
six
Jun 9 2014, 07:07 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 06:40 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 06:19 PM

I don't think we can just swap characters like that, unless we're also swapping character traits. In this scenario, is Aiden a dishonest person who'll go to any length to deceive Hope? Does Jennifer overhear that Aiden has been given multiple chances to come clean and has instead chosen to cover up his lie with another lie? I'll concede that Jennifer wasn't being a very good friend to Nicole when she went behind her back and told Eric the truth, but I don't think it necessarily follows that Jen is jealous. She could have also realized that it's better not to have any friends than to have a friend like Nicole and that confronting Nicole would only give her another chance to think up another way to mislead Eric into thinking she really had his best interest at heart.
Well, and that was part of why I was having trouble coming up with names to swap.

Re: Jen being jealous -- in her conversation with Eric, she talked about the problem she has with Dan and Nicole's friendship. I can't recall if she flat-out said she was jealous or if she just hinted at it, but the groundwork was laid for it. We do know she was affected by her feelings toward Nicole and Dicole's friendship. It's not a leap to say some part of her motivation and her choices about her actions came from her insecurity about Dicole.
I'm not saying it's a leap to speculate that she is jealous. I'm saying it's not a foregone conclusion, because she had valid reasons to bypass Nicole and go straight to Eric. Also, facilitating the break up between your boyfriend's ex and her current bf doesn't seem like a jealous move. The jealous thing to do would have been to let ericole get married and move out of town and out of Daniel's life.
It occurs to me that, while Kristen and Jen were buddies, Bristen and Dannifer would have been good characters to swap out for Ericole and Dannifer in my earlier example. Jen wouldn't have gone to Brady, she would have confronted Kristen first. And I think the insecurity argument holds here because Jen was never jealous or insecure of Kristen and Dan's friendship, but you could argue that Kristen and Nicole have similar pasts and similar reasons for Jen to be distrustful of them.

Anyhow. To your statement about facilitating the breakup -- keeping the secret from Eric and letting Eric/Nicole leave town was never going to happen so I don't feel like that's really an option on the table. Either Dan or Jen was going to confront Nicole and force her to tell him the truth and, failing that, go to Eric directly.

If she had confronted Nicole and forced her to tell Eric, there's no reason for Nicole to be angry at Daniel.
If she confronted Daniel, he would have said he was handling it and she still would have had to confront Nicole. Same result.
Blowing up Ericole the way she did seems more personal.

You're right that Jen's motivations are somewhat murky, largely due to the lack of decent dialogue in this episode. We know that most of the conversation today involved Daniel on some level and that Jen's concern for Eric (whether or not it was believable) was almost an afterthought. We can blame Cherrill for that.

Maybe we'll find out more when Dan confronts Jen.
I'm not sure Jen would have confronted Kristen first in a case where she knew that Kristen was hiding something that would have been devastating to Brady and that Brady had a right to know. If Jen had found out that the man Kristen slept with was Eric (back when Jen thought Kristen had just been with another man, and before the truth about it being rape came out), I could see her taking that information straight to Brady.

I also don't think we can say that ericole getting married and leaving Salem before the secret came out wasn't an option. Nicole almost succeeded in making that happen and her plan only failed is because Jen got to Eric and told him the truth before Nicole could get him out of town. The truth would have come out eventually, but Jen didn't have to speed up the process.
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Jun 10 2014, 12:20 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:40 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:28 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 10:32 PM
I never trust those screen caps. I actually didn't find MR's acting in these scenes OTT or problematic. IMO, she used the appropriate emotion level in her confrontation with Nicole. Those scenes didn't bother me. I actually enjoyed them.

I thought she did good too! That scene between Nicole and Jennifer was good today. But those screen caps are just scary stuff. :run:
I agree that the Jennifer-Nicole confrontation today was supposed to be highly charged. However, I have been watching MR's line delivery closely for a long time now. She almost always goes for the same angry, judgmental tone whether the situation actually warrants it or not. I don't like how her Fetch episodes have been written for her, but I really don't like the character any more because of her.

It has bothered me ever since MR's early MarDar scenes with Jack at the Christmas gathering, when Jennifer discovered that Abby had invited her father, while she had invited Daniel. The way MR delivered the lines then was tinged with anger and almost hatred that Jack had the effrontery to cause her embarrassment with Daniel. I found it so extreme that I looked up the transcript to see how the lines could be read. I found that the lines as written did not need to come out that way.

I don't know why MR's emotional range for Jennifer is so limited now...but I hold her as much or more accountable than the writers for making the character so much less likable. For a Horton Sweetheart, Jennifer is almost never truly sweet nor does she show much heart anymore. JMO, of course.
I was just appalled that Jennifer would exclude Jack and invite Daniel to the Horton tree-trimming instead. Especially when she knew what he'd gone through and was still going through, and that he'd spent the previous Christmas as a hostage in Afghanistan. What a cold, selfish, hateful thing to do to the father of her children, and her obvious anger when Jack showed up--at their daughter's invitation--just made me loathe her more. She and Jack may not have been a couple at the time, but that was no reason to exclude him from a family gathering in favor of her new boyfriend. It would have been far more diplomatic to invite both men, expect them to be on their best behavior, and not play favorites with either while they were under the same roof.

As for MR, I've been underwhelmed with her for almost all of her third run. She always seems to go for the most obvious, superficial, un-nuanced delivery of her lines, resulting in a shallow characterization that exposes the shallowness of the writing. Maybe subtext was never her strong point, but the writing for Jennifer is so bad that it needs far more work than MR is apparently willing to put into it to make it even a little tolerable.
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Jun 10 2014, 08:36 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I didn't really see Abigail making Gabi's confession all about her. I guess you could say when she said "Gabi was never my friend" to Ben she was making it about herself. That was something Gabi had said to her at the police station. To me there really wasn't much substance to the Gabi/Abigail conversation and I found it disappointing because I was expecting more.
I agree about the scene being a let-down. But I still think Abigail's reaction leaves a lot of be desired. Since she found out she didn't mention anyone else who's affected by this. JJ had to remind her of little Ari (her goddaughter). And when she was talking to Ben, it was all about Abigail and her friendship with Gabi and how she doesn't understand. I get that Abigail is messed-up due to all the stuff that happened but really, she needs to focus on other people.

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Kaha
Jun 10 2014, 10:27 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 08:36 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I didn't really see Abigail making Gabi's confession all about her. I guess you could say when she said "Gabi was never my friend" to Ben she was making it about herself. That was something Gabi had said to her at the police station. To me there really wasn't much substance to the Gabi/Abigail conversation and I found it disappointing because I was expecting more.
I agree about the scene being a let-down. But I still think Abigail's reaction leaves a lot of be desired. Since she found out she didn't mention anyone else who's affected by this. JJ had to remind her of little Ari (her goddaughter). And when she was talking to Ben, it was all about Abigail and her friendship with Gabi and how she doesn't understand. I get that Abigail is messed-up due to all the stuff that happened but really, she needs to focus on other people.

I'm wondering if there is going to be another scene between Gabi and Abigail because
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That's different from what happened yesterday. Maybe CB made a mistake but I also saw that mentioned in TV Source's spoilers.
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Restless84
Jun 10 2014, 08:36 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I didn't really see Abigail making Gabi's confession all about her. I guess you could say when she said "Gabi was never my friend" to Ben she was making it about herself. That was something Gabi had said to her at the police station. To me there really wasn't much substance to the Gabi/Abigail conversation and I found it disappointing because I was expecting more.
I agree tha the Gabi/Abby scenes were a let down for me.I thought I remembered KM tweeting something about the scenes with CB being emotional but the scenes did not play out that way.I was expecting something not quite as intense but somewhat similar to Gabi/Rafe but that is not what I saw.Gabi seemed matter of fact and KM seemed to play her scenes as if Gabi had said,"I was pretending to like you." and Abby was thinking,"Oh,wow,I thought she liked me." not as if Gabi revealed her plans concerning Chad and her involvement in Melanie's kidnapping.
The scenes with Kate were a let down too because it seemed to me that Kate only became supportive after Gabi assured her that she was not going to reveal her role in Rivergate.If Kate had not talked Gabi and Sami into disposing of Nick's "body",Nick would likely have been charged with assault or attempt rape and would have gone back to prison.I honestly felt nothing during Gabi's scenes with Kate and Abby.
I wish Nicole had been written to have delivered that slap to Jennifer.I don't understand why Nicole was slapping Daniel instead of Jennifer since Daniel was giving her the chance to tell Eric and it was actually Jennifer who revealed the shredding.
I cannot imagine a summer of JJ,Paige,Bev,and Cole.They were all horrible today although I liked confirmation that Bev's father actually does have money.I thought she was making that up when she was talking to Anne during the set up to blackmail Theresa.
No EJ/Abby,no Nick,no Gabi,ruined Nicole/Eric,Jennifer/Daniel,and JJ/Paige/Bev/Cole.I am back to enduring the show.Eve and Kristin cannot get her soon enough to suit me.
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Jun 10 2014, 10:52 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 10:27 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 08:36 AM
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Jun 9 2014, 11:20 PM
Didn't anyone find it off putting that Abigail made Gabi's confession all about her and her feelings?

It's also interesting that Jennifer and her kids don't give a damn about Nick. At least, JJ is open about it. Both JJ and Abigail are more concerned about what it does to Ari, Gabi and WilSon than Nick and the Hortons. But I found it odd that Jen was rushing to console Rafe when we never heard her talk to Nick's mom or even mention her.
I didn't really see Abigail making Gabi's confession all about her. I guess you could say when she said "Gabi was never my friend" to Ben she was making it about herself. That was something Gabi had said to her at the police station. To me there really wasn't much substance to the Gabi/Abigail conversation and I found it disappointing because I was expecting more.
I agree about the scene being a let-down. But I still think Abigail's reaction leaves a lot of be desired. Since she found out she didn't mention anyone else who's affected by this. JJ had to remind her of little Ari (her goddaughter). And when she was talking to Ben, it was all about Abigail and her friendship with Gabi and how she doesn't understand. I get that Abigail is messed-up due to all the stuff that happened but really, she needs to focus on other people.

I'm wondering if there is going to be another scene between Gabi and Abigail because
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That's different from what happened yesterday. Maybe CB made a mistake but I also saw that mentioned in TV Source's spoilers.
I sometimes feel a lot of stuff ends up on the cutting floor. Actors always rave about something and when we see it it's so underwhelming.

I hope we see another scene between Abby and Gabi. That scene was so unsatisfactory, but if we go by spoilers, we'll see Gabi with Sonny, Will and Rafe as well as Julie, but no Abigail.
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I think it was Lauren Koslow who tweeted that the final scenes between KM and CB were very emotional. Therefore, (as of end of day Monday June 9), I don't think we've seen the final Abby/Gabi scene yet.
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Jun 10 2014, 11:40 AM
I think it was Lauren Koslow who tweeted that the final scenes between KM and CB were very emotional. Therefore, (as of end of day Monday June 9), I don't think we've seen the final Abby/Gabi scene yet.
Perhaps she meant for the actresses personally not the characters because I think CB and KM are good actresses but I was very underwhelmed by their scenes.KM seems to have a great relationship with most of the cast so I can envision her being sad about CB leaving.
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Jun 9 2014, 11:35 PM
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Jun 9 2014, 09:56 PM
:laugh: okay this one's hilarious.
HOLY CRAP! That's freakin' funny! I missed it the first time. She's like, "Uh mom? Uh someone? ANYONE!?!?" :teehee:
Actually, she was responding to Will coming into the apartment. ;)
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Jun 9 2014, 11:12 AM
I have been waiting for this Gabi/Abby convo [the Andrew reveal] for so long. I hope the writers do it justice.
I just hope no one tries to pin Jac k's death on Gabi, that was not her fault, in any way! I think Kate said in SOD that Abby still wants to be Gabi's friend, I hope that's how it plays out.
I have to respectfully disagree. I think the whole explosion is Gabi's fault.

The explosion was not Gabi's fault. It wasn't Andrew's fault.

It was the fault of the city of Salem and/or the gas company.

Seriously, if some guy lit a match in the NY subways and there was an explosion because of a gas leak, it would be the person's fault for lighting a match? Even more ridiculous would be blaming the guy's wife for sending him out for eggs.
I'm sorry but I disagree
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Jun 10 2014, 12:28 AM
Nicole/Jen:
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Nicole:
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See this is the problem I absolutely get sucked in by the looks of hurt and anguish on Nicole's face I feel so sorry for her and forget it's all her own fault.
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I know this is random but am I the only person who didn't like Jennifer's outfit? The color looked awful in her! The color of her jacket and pants washes her out. She doesn't have the skintone to pull it off
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Jun 9 2014, 11:17 AM

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I have to respectfully disagree. I think the whole explosion is Gabi's fault.

The explosion was not Gabi's fault. It wasn't Andrew's fault.

It was the fault of the city of Salem and/or the gas company.

Seriously, if some guy lit a match in the NY subways and there was an explosion because of a gas leak, it would be the person's fault for lighting a match? Even more ridiculous would be blaming the guy's wife for sending him out for eggs.
I'm sorry but I disagree

So it is the selfish wife's fault for sending the man for eggs?
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Francois please read your pm when you get the chance.
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