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Tuesday, June 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 10 2014, 01:46 AM (18,938 Views)
lysie


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Jun 10 2014, 05:39 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 04:25 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 03:33 PM
I'm quoting myself because my post was long, and I want an actual answer on this.


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I'm not your target audience here, since I've never uttered such things, but I have this nagging feeling that they did get into a conversation about Sami's past misdeeds in one of those arguments leading up to the "grief sex" reveal during Marlene McPherson and Darrell Ray Thomas, Junior's stint. Perhaps in what was Rafe and Sami's apartment at that time? :shrug:

Either way, that would only be one example.
I don't think so. They had another conversation similar to this one where Sami said she knew exactly what Marlena was going to say and she always condemns her and blah blah blah while Marlena said nothing. And at the time, I asked this same question and no one answered lol.
I can't think of anytime where she outright went through a list. I think Marlena just gets a tone of "oh here we go again" and Sami interprets what she wants from it and stomps off enraged.
For as often as Sami whines about her family holding stuff like that against her, I can't think of time any of them have done it. But I've seen her do it to herself and to others TONS. And a proclamation like that from Sami usually comes with Sami throwing someone's past in their face while calling them self-righteous and hypocritical and judgmental. Until the last few years I always figured it was supposed to make Sami look ridiculous, but now I kind of suspect that the show has forgotten that that's actually not how anything has ever happened.

But I also read a lot on the boards about Sami's family doing that, but no one will ever tell me when it's happened. ;)
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Once again Susan Hayes simply OWNED her scenes in this episode. Julie must be on this show more often. Susan Hayes is a QUEEN/legend of DOOL. She nailed her dialogue.

"I hope you hate yourself...for the rest of your life." which is followed by a flawless turn and exit.
"So Gabi doesn't deserve to get one either!"
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Jun 10 2014, 05:41 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 05:04 PM

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But he didn't always call Nicole Nikki, and he shortens all those other names in the quote (he also often called Lexie by a shortened name, and he used to use the nickname Sami early on).
There's not really that many options in lengthening the name Nicole.
I don't think you get my point. Nobody is saying he should have come up with a new nickname for Nicole.
My point is he calls people by names other than the ones they prefer to use.

If he had of been able to lengthen Nicole I'm sure he would of but there weren't many options so instead he went with a different variation.
A bit like being called Daniel and someone calling you Danny. Still douche.

Lexie and Sami are their preferred names.
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but I prefer Nikki to Legs......makes me recoil in disgust that one.
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Jun 10 2014, 05:36 PM
lysie
Jun 10 2014, 05:01 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 04:59 PM
lysie
Jun 10 2014, 02:05 PM
I want to punch EJ in the face every he calls Gabi "Gabriela". Stop. It's not cute when you call people names other than what they actually go by. Gabriela isn't a nickname; it's him being a douchebag, and she should stop answering to it. Also, he said subpoener. Which made me laugh for so many more reasons than I will share.
As you're probably aware, I don't like E.J. I never have. But this doesn't really annoy me because this is just something that E.J. does (either because the writers want it to be a character quirk, like John saying "that's a fact" all the time, or because James Scott wants it to be a character quirk, like Kristian Alfonso's raised eyebrow). He calls Sami "Samantha", he calls Will "William", he calls Gabi "Gabriela", he called Nick "Nicholas", and so on. He calls people by their full first name, in a nutshell. I can accept that.

My problem is that he's not consistent about it. There have been times when he has called Gabi "Gabi" or Nick "Nick", and he's probably dropped the habit with other characters at times, as well. He doesn't call Sonny "Jackson". He doesn't call Kate "Katherine". He doesn't call Allie "Alice". And I could understand if this were some sort of term of endearment that he only uses on loved ones (as long as he were consistent about it), but, as mentioned above, he does it with people like Nick, too, and it doesn't really work as both a term of endearment and a term of condescension depending on the target.
It bothers me when he does it with all those other people, too. I don't like it when John and Steve do it either. I think it's douchey and kind of stupid coming from someone with two letters as a name and a son named Johnny.
True, lol. I think he does it to try and channel Stefano who does this for everyone including Elvis and Giovanni (which isn't even his name).
"Katerina" isn't Kate's real name, either. It's Stefano's Italian heritage on display.
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Jun 10 2014, 06:02 PM
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepand a term of condescension depending on the target.
It bothers me when he does it with all those other people, too. I don't like it when John and Steve do it either. I think it's douchey and kind of stupid coming from someone with two letters as a name and a son named Johnny.
True, lol. I think he does it to try and channel Stefano who does this for everyone including Elvis and Giovanni (which isn't even his name).
"Katerina" isn't Kate's real name, either. It's Stefano's Italian heritage on display.
I also find it annoying when Stefano does it...

It's one thing when it's a nickname, though. I mentioned Steve earlier, and while it bugged me when he did it, it didn't bug me when he did it with Frankie and Max. There's just something about it in this context where it just reeks of power and control. I tend to doubt that it's being written that way, but it will always be a sore spot for me. EJ doesn't know Gabi well enough to decide to call her anything other than what she actually goes by.
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Jun 10 2014, 05:41 PM
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There's not really that many options in lengthening the name Nicole.
I don't think you get my point. Nobody is saying he should have come up with a new nickname for Nicole.
My point is he calls people by names other than the ones they prefer to use.

If he had of been able to lengthen Nicole I'm sure he would of but there weren't many options so instead he went with a different variation.
A bit like being called Daniel and someone calling you Danny. Still douche.

Lexie and Sami are their preferred names.
But that isn't true, either, because he calls Sonny "Sonny" and calls Kate "Kate", just as they'd prefer.

Whatever his motivation -- to be a "proper English gentleman", to show fondness for certain characters, or to annoy people by calling them names they don't like -- he's not consistent about it at all.
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Jun 10 2014, 05:55 PM
Once again Susan Hayes simply OWNED her scenes in this episode. Julie must be on this show more often. Susan Hayes is a QUEEN/legend of DOOL. She nailed her dialogue.

"I hope you hate yourself...for the rest of your life." which is followed by a flawless turn and exit.
"So Gabi doesn't deserve to get one either!"

I thought the "hate yourself" was a terrible thing for the writers to have her say.
SSH delivered it well. But I don't want to see Julie say things like that.
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Jun 10 2014, 06:05 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 05:41 PM
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I don't think you get my point. Nobody is saying he should have come up with a new nickname for Nicole.
My point is he calls people by names other than the ones they prefer to use.

If he had of been able to lengthen Nicole I'm sure he would of but there weren't many options so instead he went with a different variation.
A bit like being called Daniel and someone calling you Danny. Still douche.

Lexie and Sami are their preferred names.
But that isn't true, either, because he calls Sonny "Sonny" and calls Kate "Kate", just as they'd prefer.

Whatever his motivation -- to be a "proper English gentleman", to show fondness for certain characters, or to annoy people by calling them names they don't like -- he's not consistent about it at all.
And he calls himself EJ and his son Johnny, lol. I'd like to know if the inconsistency comes from the writing or the actor. My guess would be both, though.
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Jun 10 2014, 05:14 PM
I don't give a damn about Dr orange horny, Jennifer, Eric, paige or JJ . I want Nicole destroy Dannifer for ruining her life.
Oh yeah. I forgot it was dannifer who shredded evidence,repeatedly lied to Eric,and sacrificed a friendship to continue lying to Eric. :eyeroll:
Edited by fundays13, Jun 10 2014, 06:12 PM.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepand
There's not really that many options in lengthening the name Nicole.
I don't think you get my point. Nobody is saying he should have come up with a new nickname for Nicole.
My point is he calls people by names other than the ones they prefer to use.

If he had of been able to lengthen Nicole I'm sure he would of but there weren't many options so instead he went with a different variation.
A bit like being called Daniel and someone calling you Danny. Still douche.

Lexie and Sami are their preferred names.
This line of thinking might hold up if he'd also called Lucas Luke and Sydney Syd and Daniel Dan. I do think it's impolite to call a person by a name that's not their preferred name, but you make it sound like it's some kind of carefully orchestrated snub when I think we're actually supposed to see it as a consequence of him being very formal.
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Just how many visitors is someone allowed in jail before they are even processed? And wouldn't Rafe be there, even if he is making phone calls until they made him leave?
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lysie
Jun 10 2014, 06:09 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 05:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepand
My point is he calls people by names other than the ones they prefer to use.

If he had of been able to lengthen Nicole I'm sure he would of but there weren't many options so instead he went with a different variation.
A bit like being called Daniel and someone calling you Danny. Still douche.

Lexie and Sami are their preferred names.
But that isn't true, either, because he calls Sonny "Sonny" and calls Kate "Kate", just as they'd prefer.

Whatever his motivation -- to be a "proper English gentleman", to show fondness for certain characters, or to annoy people by calling them names they don't like -- he's not consistent about it at all.
And he calls himself EJ and his son Johnny, lol. I'd like to know if the inconsistency comes from the writing or the actor. My guess would be both, though.
But he kind of has no choice with Johnny. He couldn't start calling Carrie Caroline, either. He's supposed to be embarrassed by the name Elvis.
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Jun 10 2014, 06:13 PM
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But that isn't true, either, because he calls Sonny "Sonny" and calls Kate "Kate", just as they'd prefer.

Whatever his motivation -- to be a "proper English gentleman", to show fondness for certain characters, or to annoy people by calling them names they don't like -- he's not consistent about it at all.
And he calls himself EJ and his son Johnny, lol. I'd like to know if the inconsistency comes from the writing or the actor. My guess would be both, though.
But he kind of has no choice with Johnny. He couldn't start calling Carrie Caroline, either. He's supposed to be embarrassed by the name Elvis.
Why not? Because someone else shares the name? I don't see why that would make a difference to him. And that's another thing. If he has chosen to go by another name because he's embarrassed by his full name, and these other people all go by shorter names...just maybe that's also by their choice. I don't think they have him do that (I'm not even sure if it's the writers who have done it) to make him look like an asswipe, but by George they've sure succeeded, and it's not like he needed help to look that way.
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Oh and Brandon, too. I HATED when he called Sami "Samantha." These men are not her father no matter how much they act like it.
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Jun 10 2014, 04:57 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 01:28 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:17 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:13 AM
Eric says the church was a victim of Nicole. He is worried about the children and the parishioners. The scandal. St. Jenn Jenn asks he will go back to the priesthood.
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The CHURCH was a victim of NICOLE?? I've officially heard it all. I'm a victim of bullshit. Does that count for anything?
I agree that even though I like Nicole the church was a victim of her lie of omission. Any church that has a priest, pastor or layperson doing the nasty w/out proof that they were forced is gonna take some heat so yes the church was in fact a victim of Nicole not as much as they are victim of Kristen. I love Ericole I hope they find a way back to each other but really people stop acting like all Nicole did was fart in church.

Any church takes the heat for anyone having sex without proof of force? What?

The Catholic church is a victim? Now, I've heard everything.
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Jun 10 2014, 06:21 PM
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The CHURCH was a victim of NICOLE?? I've officially heard it all. I'm a victim of bullshit. Does that count for anything?
I agree that even though I like Nicole the church was a victim of her lie of omission. Any church that has a priest, pastor or layperson doing the nasty w/out proof that they were forced is gonna take some heat so yes the church was in fact a victim of Nicole not as much as they are victim of Kristen. I love Ericole I hope they find a way back to each other but really people stop acting like all Nicole did was fart in church.

Any church takes the heat for anyone having sex without proof of force? What?

The Catholic church is a victim? Now, I've heard everything.
Not just any person . When it's their priest, absolutely. I think the line itself is ridiculous, but it's not really untrue.
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Jun 10 2014, 06:18 PM
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And he calls himself EJ and his son Johnny, lol. I'd like to know if the inconsistency comes from the writing or the actor. My guess would be both, though.
But he kind of has no choice with Johnny. He couldn't start calling Carrie Caroline, either. He's supposed to be embarrassed by the name Elvis.
Why not? Because someone else shares the name? I don't see why that would make a difference to him. And that's another thing. If he has chosen to go by another name because he's embarrassed by his full name, and these other people all go by shorter names...just maybe that's also by their choice. I don't think they have him do that (I'm not even sure if it's the writers who have done it) to make him look like an asswipe, but by George they've sure succeeded, and it's not like he needed help to look that way.
Oh, you're discussing this as if EJ is a real guy. I meant that it would be difficult to call Johnny John because it would be confusing for the viewers. I agree that it's impolite to change up names on people. I'm not sure why you wonder if this is a writer's choice, though. It's a definite Dimera male trait. I fully expect Chad to pick it up, too.

Also, I think it's funny that you're so worked up about this. "These men are not her father?" That is so dramatic, lol.
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I don't think so. They had another conversation similar to this one where Sami said she knew exactly what Marlena was going to say and she always condemns her and blah blah blah while Marlena said nothing. And at the time, I asked this same question and no one answered lol.
I can't think of anytime where she outright went through a list. I think Marlena just gets a tone of "oh here we go again" and Sami interprets what she wants from it and stomps off enraged.
For as often as Sami whines about her family holding stuff like that against her, I can't think of time any of them have done it. But I've seen her do it to herself and to others TONS. And a proclamation like that from Sami usually comes with Sami throwing someone's past in their face while calling them self-righteous and hypocritical and judgmental. Until the last few years I always figured it was supposed to make Sami look ridiculous, but now I kind of suspect that the show has forgotten that that's actually not how anything has ever happened.

But I also read a lot on the boards about Sami's family doing that, but no one will ever tell me when it's happened. ;)
The only thing I can think of was that there may have been some times when KL's Brady would call out Sami on her past misdeeds.
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^I was referring to the "any pastor, priest, or layperson" statement.

As for the Saintgenerics: they are truly a match made in heaven. They are both sanctimonious prigs. What this show has done to Nicole and Eric, both individually and together went from very nice to shit in a week.

Elvis Junior and his affected speech: hate it Hate his GabriellaNicholas crap. Hate him.

Sami: Hate her.

Marlena: I wish they'd give her a story where she's a practicing shrink. That's the only time she's not always being sanctimonious, like her son.

JJPaige: Yawn

Julie: love SSH, over the top and all.

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