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Tuesday, June 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 10 2014, 01:46 AM (18,931 Views)
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Will&Sonny
Jun 11 2014, 09:09 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 08:31 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 07:29 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 08:18 PM

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She stalked them for the express purpose of overhearing them so that she would be able to loophole her way out of being bound to respect Gabi's confidentiality. I stand by my assessment that what she did was borderline unethical, if not blatantly so.
How on earth can you come to the conclusion that she STALKED them? :blulaugh:
Erm...because she did. She clearly followed them from one place to the next so that she could eavesdrop on their conversation.

From Merriam-Webster:

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stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
Yea, seriously, I don't get how she stalked them. She was hunting them? Following them in a frightening way? :lol:
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Jun 11 2014, 10:01 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 08:51 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 07:29 AM

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How on earth can you come to the conclusion that she STALKED them? :blulaugh:
All you had to do was watch her lurking in the shadows and following them around, eavesdropping and waiting for her chance to confront them.
I must have missed all that lurking and following them around. And that wouldn't even be stalking.
You didn't see Marlena spot them in HTS then follow them to the park because she knew they were going to discuss the incident at the river? And yes, that's stalking.
Edited by six, Jun 11 2014, 10:15 AM.
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Jun 10 2014, 09:29 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 09:22 PM
I am starting to hate Eric after today's episode. This supercouple is ruined for me and he was just as annoying as the bitch in the flesh colored pantsuit and the
Orange penis
Yea it's real shitty....I've found myself really frustrated with Eric the last few weeks. The biggest twist Days has come up with in YEARS has been how quickly they ruined Eric and Nicole. I literally never saw that one coming! And it blows!!!

I personally like Eric when he is mad he is boring otherwise, and he has every right to be mad at Nicole it wouldn´t make sense if he forgave her in 5 minutes but I´m sure he will after a while.
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Jun 11 2014, 09:59 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 08:40 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:12 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 09:17 PM
Also, I don't know why Gabi hasn't just told everyone about the attempted rape AND about her hitting Nick over the head with the rock. All she really needs to say is that, at the time, she thought she'd killed him and panicked and ran out of the woods only to later find out that Nick was alive. Then when he came back to Salem, he was threatening to tell everyone that she'd tried to murder him with the rock on purpose and left him in the woods to die. Problem solved.
Simple and brilliant. With Nick dead and Percy gone, why not?
That makes WAY too much sense... :P


Something has to give with this show. For years, it's been the same people doing basically the same stuff all of the time. Nicole does stuff that hurts herself, Sami blames Marlena for her shortcomings, Julie gets way too dramatic, Daniel is the savior and the list goes on and on.... How I would love to see other people in some story lines. At this point, I don't think bringing back Kristen and Eve back will even do the trick. New writing is so needed. The only problem with that is that who will it be? I don't have a lot of faith in Corday to choose someone who will tell a story that makes sense from beginning to end. The taping schedule, though it saves money, isn't saving these story lines at all. The sad part is that they will do nothing different and we will be stuck with a show that makes no sense.

---end of rant--- :shame:
Too bad Corday refuses to hire Sheri Anderson, because I'm pretty sure she desires the job.
Sheri herself has said that she doesn't want to come back because she would be told what stories to write, & with the books, she was able to write whatever she wanted.
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Jun 11 2014, 10:14 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 08:51 AM
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All you had to do was watch her lurking in the shadows and following them around, eavesdropping and waiting for her chance to confront them.
I must have missed all that lurking and following them around. And that wouldn't even be stalking.
You didn't see Marlena spot them in HTS then follow them to the park because she knew they were going to discuss the incident at the river? And yes, that's stalking.
She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
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I must have missed all that lurking and following them around. And that wouldn't even be stalking.
You didn't see Marlena spot them in HTS then follow them to the park because she knew they were going to discuss the incident at the river? And yes, that's stalking.
She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
I know what stalking means. Marlena was definitely hunting them in a manner of speaking. She was attempting to catch them discussing their crime so that she could confront them about it.

How about another definition:


stalk 2 (stɔːk)

— vb
1. to follow or approach (game, prey, etc) stealthily and quietly
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stalk?s=t

Can anyone really argue that this isn't what Marlena did?
Edited by six, Jun 11 2014, 11:40 AM.
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Jun 11 2014, 08:10 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:37 PM
One more time. Just in case.

I would like FOR ONCE for someone to actually answer this. Are there scenes I'm just forgetting where Marlena has listed Sami's crimes for the beginning or gone back and scolded her for the stuff from the past? I can't think of a single time that's happened, and yet I can think of several times Sami has accused her of doing it. It's frustrating to me because it seems to have just been accepted on soap boards that that's what always happens, but I've never actually seen it happen...let alone always. So someone please. Show me what you/they are talking about.
Lysie why is this difficult for you to accept? Everything happens off screen. Julie and Nick were very close off screen. Nick and Abby were also very close off screen. And Gabi was fearful of Nick off screen. So, I guess throughout the years Marlena has done this to Sami. If they don't want us to believe this...why wouldn't Marlena call her on it.

Speaking of Marlena, for a psychiatrist, she's really a poor communicator. And she's way too cavalier with her patient's confidentiality.
Oh I don't believe it's happening offscreen. I think there's a possibility that some of the actors and maybe the writers sometimes don't realize that they've never actually had that happen, but mostly I think Sami is just full of shit like Sami usually is. But since some people use these things in their arguments pretty consistently, I was hoping they'd answer. They didn't . And Marlena HAS denied it every time including this time.
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Jun 11 2014, 11:14 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 10:14 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 10:01 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 08:51 AM

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I must have missed all that lurking and following them around. And that wouldn't even be stalking.
You didn't see Marlena spot them in HTS then follow them to the park because she knew they were going to discuss the incident at the river? And yes, that's stalking.
She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
The parenthetical examples in the definition are just that -- examples. And the separate lines of text represent separate definitions, not a set of criteria that must be met. A situation does not need to adhere to all of those things in order to represent stalking. Many words in the English language have multiple meanings.

I realize that you like Marlena and want to defend her, and that's fine, but whether you agree with the use of the word or not, it is indeed appropriate to use it to describe what Marlena did during Tuesday's episode. She stalked Kate and Sami with the intention of eavesdropping on their conversation so that she would be free to talk to them about what she had learned from Gabi in confidence. Honestly, quibbling over semantics isn't going to change that fact or make it any less wrong than a doctor "accidentally" leaving a patient's confidential medical file laying out in plain sight with the intention that a specific person will find it and read it so that the doctor can then freely discuss the contents of that file with the person.
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If the purpose of posting the definition of stalk was to prove six right, job well done.
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Jun 10 2014, 07:35 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 01:47 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:51 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:49 PM

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Gabi did not at all adequately explain why she killed Nick. And it's very much in character for Julie to react that way.
A character I used to enjoy, but not this time around. May I never see Julie again.
It's funny how we view characters and how different those viewpoints are. Your posting got a lot of thumb downs, but I don't like Julie and never have. So I'd be glad if she took an extended cruise and was gone quite awhile.
My post got lots of thumbs down? LOL. Whatever. I never go back and check.

Julie WAS a favorite for years. Can't stand her now. MY opinion, and thank you for yours. :)
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Jun 11 2014, 11:27 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 10:01 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepnotstalking.
You didn't see Marlena spot them in HTS then follow them to the park because she knew they were going to discuss the incident at the river? And yes, that's stalking.
She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
I know what stalking means. Marlena was definitely hunting them in a manner of speaking. She was attempting to catch them discussing their crime so that she could confront them about it.

How about another definition:


stalk 2 (stɔːk)

— vb
1.to follow or approach (game, prey, etc) stealthily and quietly
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stalk?s=t

Can anyone really argue that this isn't what Marlena did?
Hunting? No not at all. Following because she was curious about what they were up to? Yes. That is not hunting or stalking in any way. Stalking has a very negative connotation, and Marlena was not being dangerous or threatening. Sorry, we'll just have to disagree.
Edited by Rosebud, Jun 11 2014, 11:56 AM.
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Jun 11 2014, 11:36 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 11:14 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 10:01 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepnotstalking.
You didn't see Marlena spot them in HTS then follow them to the park because she knew they were going to discuss the incident at the river? And yes, that's stalking.
She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
The parenthetical examples in the definition are just that -- examples. And the separate lines of text represent separate definitions, not a set of criteria that must be met. A situation does not need to adhere to all of those things in order to represent stalking. Many words in the English language have multiple meanings.

I realize that you like Marlena and want to defend her, and that's fine, but whether you agree with the use of the word or not, it is indeed appropriate to use it to describe what Marlena did during Tuesday's episode. She stalked Kate and Sami with the intention of eavesdropping on their conversation so that she would be free to talk to them about what she had learned from Gabi in confidence. Honestly, quibbling over semantics isn't going to change that fact or make it any less wrong than a doctor "accidentally" leaving a patient's confidential medical file laying out in plain sight with the intention that a specific person will find it and read it so that the doctor can then freely discuss the contents of that file with the person.
The show did not establish that Marlena was following them with an intent to find a way to expose what she knew. That is not a fact, it's up for interpretation.
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Jun 11 2014, 11:56 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 11:27 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 11:14 AM
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Jun 11 2014, 10:14 AM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepnotstalking
She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
I know what stalking means. Marlena was definitely hunting them in a manner of speaking. She was attempting to catch them discussing their crime so that she could confront them about it.

How about another definition:


stalk 2 (stɔːk)

— vb
1.to follow or approach (game, prey, etc) stealthily and quietly
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stalk?s=t

Can anyone really argue that this isn't what Marlena did?
Hunting? No not at all. Following because she was curious about what they were up to? Yes. That is not hunting or stalking in any way. Stalking has a very negative connotation, and Marlena was not being dangerous or threatening. Sorry, we'll just have to disagree.
She knew exactly what they were up to. That's why she stalked them to the secluded section of the town square in the first place. If the scenes in question had occurred before her counseling session with Gabi, it would have been a different story entirely, but they didn't.

Rephrasing what she did with a "nicer" word like "followed" to remove any negative connotations doesn't make what Marlena did any less wrong. Call it "following" and it's still just as inexcusable. There's no way to spin Marlena as an innocent in this.
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Jun 10 2014, 11:13 PM
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Sami made it sound exactly like that today, and Marlena just sat there and took it as usual, ugh :drunk:


I don't think that is what Sami was saying at all. the point is Marlena knew that it would humiliate Brady in public, it would embarrass Eric to have this shown at his church while he was presiding and she went ahead and did it anyway because she was bent on destroying Kristen and it backfired. I don't think Marlena gave much thought how Brady would feel. She only cared once she realized her precious Eric was in the video.
Actually, she did. She didn't want to do it initially because of how Brady would feel, but Victor convinced her it was the only way, and for some reason she listened. But when Victor first gave it to her, she wanted to talk to Brady privately for exactly that reason. But no one but Marlena and Victor know that.
And Victor is a hero, while Marlena is a pariah. Because god forbid Marlena share that piece of information with Brady to defend herself. #nofeelingsallowed
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Jun 10 2014, 11:37 PM
One more time. Just in case.

I would like FOR ONCE for someone to actually answer this. Are there scenes I'm just forgetting where Marlena has listed Sami's crimes for the beginning or gone back and scolded her for the stuff from the past? I can't think of a single time that's happened, and yet I can think of several times Sami has accused her of doing it. It's frustrating to me because it seems to have just been accepted on soap boards that that's what always happens, but I've never actually seen it happen...let alone always. So someone please. Show me what you/they are talking about.
Nope.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deepnotstalkinghunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
I know what stalking means. Marlena was definitely hunting them in a manner of speaking. She was attempting to catch them discussing their crime so that she could confront them about it.

How about another definition:


stalk 2 (stɔːk)

— vb
1.to follow or approach (game, prey, etc) stealthily and quietly
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stalk?s=t

Can anyone really argue that this isn't what Marlena did?
Hunting? No not at all. Following because she was curious about what they were up to? Yes. That is not hunting or stalking in any way. Stalking has a very negative connotation, and Marlena was not being dangerous or threatening. Sorry, we'll just have to disagree.
She knew exactly what they were up to. That's why she stalked them to the secluded section of the town square in the first place. If the scenes in question had occurred before her counseling session with Gabi, it would have been a different story entirely, but they didn't.

Rephrasing what she did with a "nicer" word like "followed" to remove any negative connotations doesn't make what Marlena did any less wrong. Call it "following" and it's still just as inexcusable. There's no way to spin Marlena as an innocent in this.
I don't really think it's as bad as your'e saying, but I also don't really care if it was or not, lol. But she totally stalked them. I just wish the scenes had been played differently so that it didn't look like she caught her sexagenarian teenager and her late 30s teenager smoking behind the gym.
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I have to disagree. I don't think that was the point of the dialogue at all. The point that Kate was making was that Marlena had done something that had arguably been misguided in the name of protecting a loved one, just like Kate and Sami had done. Marlena's suspicions at that time about the identity of the man in the video are irrelevant -- she knowingly showed a sex tape in a church in an effort to expose Kristen and protect Brady, and it backfired. Kate and Sami knowingly covered up what they believed was a self-defense killing in an effort to protect Gabi, and it backfired.
And one could even argue that she strongly suspected it was Daniel and didn't even care about exposing HIM. . . not her finest moment at all. Don't get me wrong, I still don't like Daniel, but hopefully y'all get the point I'm trying to make.
Yeah, I was going to point that out in my own post (although Victor did assure Marlena that Daniel wasn't the man in the video, but it doesn't matter who the man was -- the point is that she knew that she would be publicly humiliating someone just for the sake of exposing Kristen), but it would have ruined the symmetry I was going for, so I decided that alluding to it would be sufficient. ;)
And again, she didn't "Not care". She didn't actually wanna do it, and she was pretty much on her way to talk to Brady alone to convince him, when Victor manipulated her into showing it (with a plan and everything).

My biggest problem with it was that they want me to believe Marlena can be manipulated into anything by Victor Kiriakis. Seriously.
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As expected, Julie annoyed the hell out of me today. Nothing that Gabi or Hope told her sunk into that thick, Nick-loving skull of hers, and she continues to make excuses for him and act like he was the victim instead of the abuser. It's going to be a long time before I can start to feel anything other than disdain for her. I wouldn't be surprised if newer viewers don't even realize that Julie is related to Will and Arianna. Hell, she seems to have forgotten herself.

Marlena also annoyed me today -- I can't help thinking that what she is doing is borderline unethical, if not blatantly so. I've suspected since her conversation with Gabi that she was going to either break Gabi's trust or manipulate the situation to find a loophole so that she would be free to talk about the river incident with Sami and Kate, so I'm not surprised that the latter happened, but the fact remains that it does feel like a manipulation to me.

And just once, I want to hear a character thank another character for not confessing a crime to them and consequently burdening them with the task of keeping it quiet instead of constantly hearing characters whine about how the person who committed the crime should have confided in them about it.
Marlena overheard Sami and Kate, and did nothing unethical today.
She stalked them for the express purpose of overhearing them so that she would be able to loophole her way out of being bound to respect Gabi's confidentiality. I stand by my assessment that what she did was borderline unethical, if not blatantly so.
How does that make it unethical? She saw them talking at the square, the two people Gabi had just said conspired and manipulated her into covering up a murder, one of them is her daughter. She then followed them when they snuck off to talk in private, to see what they were up to and confronted them. That has nothing to do with Gabi as far as we know. Because Marlena's feelings aren't shown.

It doesn't make it unethical as much it makes her seem conflicted and a little desperate to ask Sami what the hell she was doing.
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As expected, Julie annoyed the hell out of me today. Nothing that Gabi or Hope told her sunk into that thick, Nick-loving skull of hers, and she continues to make excuses for him and act like he was the victim instead of the abuser. It's going to be a long time before I can start to feel anything other than disdain for her. I wouldn't be surprised if newer viewers don't even realize that Julie is related to Will and Arianna. Hell, she seems to have forgotten herself.

Marlena also annoyed me today -- I can't help thinking that what she is doing is borderline unethical, if not blatantly so. I've suspected since her conversation with Gabi that she was going to either break Gabi's trust or manipulate the situation to find a loophole so that she would be free to talk about the river incident with Sami and Kate, so I'm not surprised that the latter happened, but the fact remains that it does feel like a manipulation to me.

And just once, I want to hear a character thank another character for not confessing a crime to them and consequently burdening them with the task of keeping it quiet instead of constantly hearing characters whine about how the person who committed the crime should have confided in them about it.
Marlena overheard Sami and Kate, and did nothing unethical today.
She stalked them for the express purpose of overhearing them so that she would be able to loophole her way out of being bound to respect Gabi's confidentiality. I stand by my assessment that what she did was borderline unethical, if not blatantly so.
How does that make it unethical? She saw them talking at the square, the two people Gabi had just said conspired and manipulated her into covering up a murder, one of them is her daughter. She then followed them when they snuck off to talk in private, to see what they were up to and confronted them. That has nothing to do with Gabi as far as we know. Because Marlena's feelings aren't shown.

It doesn't make it unethical as much it makes her seem conflicted and a little desperate to ask Sami what the hell she was doing.
I think it's pushing the boundaries, but I'm glad that's how it happened. But if they were going to bother to have it happen, I wish they'd have done a better job with the exchange. Sami told EJ about it, though, and he totally could have used that against her. I kind of wish he would because at least it'd be a story.
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She followed them from one place to another, and that's stalking? I don't think so. Following,sure but not stalking. I'll quote the other posters definition of stalking for you:

stalk
verb

: to follow (an animal or person that you are hunting or trying to capture) by moving slowly and quietly

: to go through (a place or area) while hunting

: to follow, watch, and bother (someone) constantly in a way that is frightening, dangerous, etc.
The parenthetical examples in the definition are just that -- examples. And the separate lines of text represent separate definitions, not a set of criteria that must be met. A situation does not need to adhere to all of those things in order to represent stalking. Many words in the English language have multiple meanings.

I realize that you like Marlena and want to defend her, and that's fine, but whether you agree with the use of the word or not, it is indeed appropriate to use it to describe what Marlena did during Tuesday's episode. She stalked Kate and Sami with the intention of eavesdropping on their conversation so that she would be free to talk to them about what she had learned from Gabi in confidence. Honestly, quibbling over semantics isn't going to change that fact or make it any less wrong than a doctor "accidentally" leaving a patient's confidential medical file laying out in plain sight with the intention that a specific person will find it and read it so that the doctor can then freely discuss the contents of that file with the person.
The show did not establish that Marlena was following them with an intent to find a way to expose what she knew. That is not a fact, it's up for interpretation.
Really? Marlena practically dared Sami to confess during their conversation at the police station last Tuesday, and the next time we saw either of them, Marlena was lurking in the shadows, watching Kate and Sami, stalking them, and eavesdropping on their conversation. I'm pretty sure that the writers intended there to be only one possible interpretation for Marlena's actions.
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