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Tuesday, June 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 10 2014, 01:46 AM (18,945 Views)
lysie


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Jun 10 2014, 12:26 PM
Restless84
Jun 10 2014, 11:29 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:24 AM
Kate and Sami say they were trying to help Gabi. Marlena says that you two convinced that girl to do something stupid. She says they have poor judgment. Kate says you showed that video of your son having sex to the whole congregation.

GMAB Kate. Marlena had no idea that Eric was on the tape. Gabi's life is ruined because of the mess they dragged her into at the river.
It seems like people forget that or just like to ignore it. Marlena had no idea what exactly was on that tape because Victor (who literally no one is blaming at all) manipulated her and the situation. She was told it was proof Kristen had cheated on Brady, not that her son was raped.
I don't mind people being mad at her about it, but I do wish they'd have moved their focus to why on earth did she trust Victor. But for whatever reason, Victor had to come out of that smelling like a rose.
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Matt
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OMG! This Marlena/Sami scene is GLORIOUS & ON POINT! LOADED with history!
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Jun 10 2014, 12:04 PM
DAYS has used SSH for light family moments & comedy for so long, viewers have forgotten what a damn fine dramatic actress she is
Right? Stop using her for over the top things and let the woman go to town.

Can you imagine Julie going to Marlena for comfort, and Marlena sitting there knowing exactly what happened and why... and Julie just lashing everything out? I mean, I just had a fangirlasm thinking about it.
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Jun 10 2014, 12:35 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:30 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:06 PM
Julie has a right to be angry and to say Gabi doesn't deserve a second change either. Good god! Nick was her FAMILY..Gabi is NOT. And Nick didn't have to die! He was murdered to cover up others crimes. If ANY of them were so terrified of the so called master abuser one of them would have went to the police, simple as that. If Nick deserved to die..I can name you TONS of others on the show who deserve it too.
Nobody has said Gabi had a right to kill Nick (except Kate, who knew a little about domestic abuse).

Nick was given more than one chance. He was on at least his second and third. He pissed all his chances away. I haven't seen one of the Nick apologists mention that not one of Nick's victims ever did a single thing to him (up until the River) and he was forgiven by many of the people he victimized.

However, I do agree that EVERYONE, including Julie and Hope, could have stopped the Nick situation from escalating had they refused to take his blackmail or seen him for what he was. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should have done things differently and Gabi wouldn't have felt so helpless. Which is why it's called mitigating circumstances.
And I am sorry but I don't see her as this helpless victim. She sure wasn't helpless in her crime against Melanie. But I do believe they ALL bear some responsibility in his death. Each were being blackmailed by him and could have stopped it by going to the police. The truth would have come out and he would have gotten into some kind of trouble himself. As a side note: I hate the fact they killed him off. I LOVE Blake Berris and had hoped he would have come back..redeemed somehow.

I hated Gabi since the Andrew-stalker storyline two years ago. But I think Gabi has somewhat evolved since then. She's not a "good girl" but she has more nuance than she used to have. She's grown on me.

Edit to add: I appreciated that Gabi told Abby the truth about Andrew yesterday, and that Gabi admitted what a user she'd been. That took character evolvement, in my opinion.
Edited by nananana7, Jun 10 2014, 12:41 PM.
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so Paige's home is merely Theresa's apartment very weakly restaged & redressed
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Jun 10 2014, 12:36 PM
Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:04 PM
DAYS has used SSH for light family moments & comedy for so long, viewers have forgotten what a damn fine dramatic actress she is
Right? Stop using her for over the top things and let the woman go to town.

Can you imagine Julie going to Marlena for comfort, and Marlena sitting there knowing exactly what happened and why... and Julie just lashing everything out? I mean, I just had a fangirlasm thinking about it.
Yeah, I was just thinking that Julie and Marlena should go out for a drink later.
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lysie
Jun 10 2014, 12:35 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:26 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:29 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:24 AM
Kate and Sami say they were trying to help Gabi. Marlena says that you two convinced that girl to do something stupid. She says they have poor judgment. Kate says you showed that video of your son having sex to the whole congregation.

GMAB Kate. Marlena had no idea that Eric was on the tape. Gabi's life is ruined because of the mess they dragged her into at the river.
It seems like people forget that or just like to ignore it. Marlena had no idea what exactly was on that tape because Victor (who literally no one is blaming at all) manipulated her and the situation. She was told it was proof Kristen had cheated on Brady, not that her son was raped.
I don't mind people being mad at her about it, but I do wish they'd have moved their focus to why on earth did she trust Victor. But for whatever reason, Victor had to come out of that smelling like a rose.
That would mean focusing on Marlena's side of things, we all know that's never going to happen.
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Jun 10 2014, 12:06 PM
Julie has a right to be angry and to say Gabi doesn't deserve a second change either. Good god! Nick was her FAMILY..Gabi is NOT. And Nick didn't have to die! He was murdered to cover up others crimes. If ANY of them were so terrified of the so called master abuser one of them would have went to the police, simple as that. If Nick deserved to die..I can name you TONS of others on the show who deserve it too.
I agree! Nick was horrible and not even an entertaining villain, but he wasn't threatening anyone's life physically to justify his killing.
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LAWD. If Daniel drags Jennifer over this.... I may have to send flowers
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Jun 10 2014, 12:35 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:30 PM
KweenBoda
Jun 10 2014, 12:06 PM
Julie has a right to be angry and to say Gabi doesn't deserve a second change either. Good god! Nick was her FAMILY..Gabi is NOT. And Nick didn't have to die! He was murdered to cover up others crimes. If ANY of them were so terrified of the so called master abuser one of them would have went to the police, simple as that. If Nick deserved to die..I can name you TONS of others on the show who deserve it too.
Nobody has said Gabi had a right to kill Nick (except Kate, who knew a little about domestic abuse).

Nick was given more than one chance. He was on at least his second and third. He pissed all his chances away. I haven't seen one of the Nick apologists mention that not one of Nick's victims ever did a single thing to him (up until the River) and he was forgiven by many of the people he victimized.

However, I do agree that EVERYONE, including Julie and Hope, could have stopped the Nick situation from escalating had they refused to take his blackmail or seen him for what he was. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should have done things differently and Gabi wouldn't have felt so helpless. Which is why it's called mitigating circumstances.
And I am sorry but I don't see her as this helpless victim. She sure wasn't helpless in her crime against Melanie. But I do believe they ALL bear some responsibility in his death. Each were being blackmailed by him and could have stopped it by going to the police. The truth would have come out and he would have gotten into some kind of trouble himself. As a side note: I hate the fact they killed him off. I LOVE Blake Berris and had hoped he would have come back..redeemed somehow.
Well, I think the writers made a mistake when they turned Nick into a blackmailing, homophobic, raping domestic abuser. It makes me sick when people think he was somehow a truth-telling hero and his victims deserved what they got - but I wish they had redeemed him instead. No rape victim or attempted rape victim or domestic abuse victim deserves what they get - most of them are flawed people, to be sure. But Nick didn't deserve to be murdered either.
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lysie
Jun 10 2014, 12:35 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:26 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:29 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:24 AM
Kate and Sami say they were trying to help Gabi. Marlena says that you two convinced that girl to do something stupid. She says they have poor judgment. Kate says you showed that video of your son having sex to the whole congregation.

GMAB Kate. Marlena had no idea that Eric was on the tape. Gabi's life is ruined because of the mess they dragged her into at the river.
It seems like people forget that or just like to ignore it. Marlena had no idea what exactly was on that tape because Victor (who literally no one is blaming at all) manipulated her and the situation. She was told it was proof Kristen had cheated on Brady, not that her son was raped.
I don't mind people being mad at her about it, but I do wish they'd have moved their focus to why on earth did she trust Victor. But for whatever reason, Victor had to come out of that smelling like a rose.
On this show, it seems the male characters often get excused for their behavior while the female characters must ALWAYS suffer the consequences of their actions. Unless they're St. Jen-Jen, of course.
Edited by jb1183, Jun 10 2014, 12:42 PM.
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Jun 10 2014, 11:21 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:13 AM


Eric says the church was a victim of Nicole. He is worried about the children and the parishioners. The scandal. St. Jenn Jenn asks he will go back to the priesthood.

Eric is an idiot. How did Nicole victimize the church and everyone else? So, I guess Kristen had nothing to do with any of it?
She could have proved his story that he was drugged. That would have caused less scandal for him the church etc. I love Nicole as a character but to whitewash what she did to someone she supposedly loved that's a little much. No if ands or buts about it the only idiot in this scenario was Nicole's insecurities.
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While I'm never a fan of Hope being used as background decoration, I have to say that Kristian's doing a nice job of subtly reacting to Gabi & Julie's conversation (especially since she knows the entire story now).
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I don't like that Marlena isn't defending what she did at Brady and Kristen's wedding. Sami and Kate make it sound like Marlena knew that it was Eric in the video having sex with Kristen. Didn't Marlena think it was Daniel in the video? Why isn't she defending herself?
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Nikki just own up to your crap, give back the ring, scrape your dignity off the freakin' floor and MOVE THE HELL ON!!!!!!!!
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ouch. Julie to Gabi: "I hope you hate yourself... for the rest of your life."
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um... Nicole, let's have a chat about hemming those overly long pants...
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Those papers said 10 years in prison for Gabi.
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Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:47 PM
ouch. Julie to Gabi: "I hope you hate yourself... for the rest of your life."

I get that SSH is doing her best with the the lines she's given.

But I have a problem with writers having an established respected character tell a psychologically abused woman to hate herself.


(edited to change my wording from "legacy character" to "established respected character")
Edited by nananana7, Jun 10 2014, 12:55 PM.
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Jun 10 2014, 12:49 PM
Those papers said 10 years in prison for Gabi.

Wow.
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