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Tuesday, June 10th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 10 2014, 01:46 AM (18,943 Views)
nananana7
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clip of today's Julie/Gabi/Hope scene under the spoiler tag.

Edit to add: Worth watching. More nuanced than I had expected.

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Edited by nananana7, Jun 10 2014, 01:44 PM.
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james0479
Jun 10 2014, 01:30 PM
Honeybees....thanks as always for your play by play....gotta say I agree with every single opinion you have about everything, especially the Nicole fiasco. You rock!
Awww. Thanks. You don't have to agree with everything I say! Heck, sometimes I change my mind on things...and am always willing to do it if the writing changes.

I do enjoy it when my work schedule allows me to recap. It changes, of course, but it's fun.
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After watching the clip of today's Julie/Gabi/Hope scenes, I have these comments:

I like that Gabi was really trying to see things from Julie's perspective.
Gabi said to EJ, right before Julie came in the room:
"Julie must be in so much pain. Nick collapsed in her arms that night in the square.
I can't ... I can't keep hiding from the people I've hurt -- people who loved Nick".

This kind of empathy, and trying to see things from others' point of view --- that is a significant character development for Gabi.

I hated Gabi for ages, so this is big for me to have this change in perspective about Gabi.

I don't think I've ever seen Sami show that kind of nuanced compassion for her victims.

I think Gabi did a good job of explaining to Julie what happened -- yet Gabi was not trying to excuse murdering.

I think Julie did a poor job of listening to Hope, and a poor job of listening to Gabi.

I think Hope was awesome.
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OY,Sami,Marlena and John's affair was 21 years ago,let it go,good grief,Roman was the one cheated on and I don't even remember the last time he brought up the affair,oh yeah Sami you yourself cheated so throwing stones is not a good idea.
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Jun 10 2014, 12:51 PM
Is it just me, or did Hope seem to give Gabi an "I'm sorry" look as she closed the door?

I thought Hope was giving that apologetic compassionate look to Gabi several times during the Jule-Gabi scene.
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Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:34 PM
YAY! Nicole: "Well you are dead to me, Daniel. You and Jennifer."
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Supergirlx2
Jun 10 2014, 11:41 AM
ladyofthelake
Jun 10 2014, 11:34 AM
Honeybees
Jun 10 2014, 11:30 AM
Jennifer is all sad that she and Nicole worked hard to be friends and Nicole feels attacked. What she did was an attack. Eric looks at her with pity.

Daniel says it doesn't matter who told Eric. He would have done it if Jenn-Jenn didn't do it. Nicole says Jennifer certainly thought it was the right thing. She's pissed.
Dammit, she IS being attacked and ganged up on. Seriously, it's between her and Eric.
The Saints of Fetch had to wiggle their judgmental fingers at Nicole and then make sure that Eric thinks she's the anti-Christ.

I can't imagine any Dannifer fan (& yes, they do exist) could be enjoying this either. I'd be annoyed about my couple being inserted into someone else's drama & then ultimately going through yet another breakup as a result.

Haven't TPTB figured out that ain't no one want to see this shit??
Is your frustration level reaching its peak.I wonder because this is the first post I recall you using profanity re:Fetch.I must admit I am dreading the next time Maggie and Maxine are on screen.
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BeeBee
Jun 10 2014, 01:43 PM
Supergirlx2
Jun 10 2014, 11:41 AM
ladyofthelake
Jun 10 2014, 11:34 AM
Honeybees
Jun 10 2014, 11:30 AM
Jennifer is all sad that she and Nicole worked hard to be friends and Nicole feels attacked. What she did was an attack. Eric looks at her with pity.

Daniel says it doesn't matter who told Eric. He would have done it if Jenn-Jenn didn't do it. Nicole says Jennifer certainly thought it was the right thing. She's pissed.
Dammit, she IS being attacked and ganged up on. Seriously, it's between her and Eric.
The Saints of Fetch had to wiggle their judgmental fingers at Nicole and then make sure that Eric thinks she's the anti-Christ.

I can't imagine any Dannifer fan (& yes, they do exist) could be enjoying this either. I'd be annoyed about my couple being inserted into someone else's drama & then ultimately going through yet another breakup as a result.

Haven't TPTB figured out that ain't no one want to see this shit??
Is your frustration level reaching its peak.I wonder because this is the first post I recall you using profanity re:Fetch.I must admit I am dreading the next time Maggie and Maxine are on screen.
i'm pretty sure i've used profanity in Fetch's general direction before. lol. but i haven't really been saying too much on the issue lately, cause it's not really worth my time.
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jam6242
Jun 10 2014, 12:51 PM
nananana7
Jun 10 2014, 12:49 PM
Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:47 PM
ouch. Julie to Gabi: "I hope you hate yourself... for the rest of your life."


I get that SSH is doing her best with the the lines she's given.

But I have a problem with writers having a legacy character tell a psychologically abused woman to hate herself.
Gabi did not at all adequately explain why she killed Nick. And it's very much in character for Julie to react that way.
A character I used to enjoy, but not this time around. May I never see Julie again.
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Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:40 PM
LAWD. If Daniel drags Jennifer over this.... I may have to send flowers
Oh hell. Looks like it's going to be JennErik, or generic, as the show is rapidly becoming.
After all these decades of watching I am starting not to care.
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Jun 10 2014, 11:42 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:37 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:34 AM
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Jun 10 2014, 11:29 AM

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As much as the Coven were idiots and Kate and Sami deserve condemnation, Gabi ruined her own life by KILLING A MAN! No one pulled the trigger but her. It's not like she didn't have other options.
That's true but my point is it would have never gotten to that point had Kami let Gabi call the police. It also really bugs me that it is not coming out that Nick tried to rape Gabi.
Gabi didn't want to call the police. Kate and Gabi talked Sami out of calling the police. And Kate, Sami and Gabi talked Sonny from talking to his dad. If I remember correctly, he was mostly influenced by Gabi (she even used his knowledge of the Melanie secret to keep him from telling Will). And then they influenced Will from talking to anyone. It's not like Gabi was clamouring to talk to the police. The only time I can think of her wanting to talk to someone was when Kate stopped her from talking to Rafe. I am still annoyed by Rafe for not figuring out his sister was in distress.

I completely agree with you about the rape issue.
Kate talked Sami into not calling the police not Gabi.Gabi was still in shock.
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nananana7
Jun 10 2014, 01:40 PM
After watching the clip of today's Julie/Gabi/Hope scenes, I have these comments:

I like that Gabi was really trying to see things from Julie's perspective.
Gabi said to EJ, right before Julie came in the room:
"Julie must be in so much pain. Nick collapsed in her arms that night in the square.
I can't ... I can't keep hiding from the people I've hurt -- people who loved Nick".

This kind of empathy, and trying to see things from others' point of view --- that is a significant character development for Gabi.

I hated Gabi for ages, so this is big for me to have this change in perspective about Gabi.

I don't think I've ever seen Sami show that kind of nuanced compassion for her victims.

I think Gabi did a good job of explaining to Julie what happened -- yet Gabi was not trying to excuse murdering.

I think Julie did a poor job of listening to Hope, and a poor job of listening to Gabi.

I think Hope was awesome.
What did Gabi really say that should have convinced Julie that it was okay to murder Nick? :shrug: And apparently Julie had somehow just learned that Gabi was the killer. I love Hope but she should have let Julie know herself.
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Jun 10 2014, 12:35 PM
Honeybees
Jun 10 2014, 12:30 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:06 PM
Julie has a right to be angry and to say Gabi doesn't deserve a second change either. Good god! Nick was her FAMILY..Gabi is NOT. And Nick didn't have to die! He was murdered to cover up others crimes. If ANY of them were so terrified of the so called master abuser one of them would have went to the police, simple as that. If Nick deserved to die..I can name you TONS of others on the show who deserve it too.
Nobody has said Gabi had a right to kill Nick (except Kate, who knew a little about domestic abuse).

Nick was given more than one chance. He was on at least his second and third. He pissed all his chances away. I haven't seen one of the Nick apologists mention that not one of Nick's victims ever did a single thing to him (up until the River) and he was forgiven by many of the people he victimized.

However, I do agree that EVERYONE, including Julie and Hope, could have stopped the Nick situation from escalating had they refused to take his blackmail or seen him for what he was. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should have done things differently and Gabi wouldn't have felt so helpless. Which is why it's called mitigating circumstances.
And I am sorry but I don't see her as this helpless victim. She sure wasn't helpless in her crime against Melanie. But I do believe they ALL bear some responsibility in his death. Each were being blackmailed by him and could have stopped it by going to the police. The truth would have come out and he would have gotten into some kind of trouble himself. As a side note: I hate the fact they killed him off. I LOVE Blake Berris and had hoped he would have come back..redeemed somehow.
Just because we saw him die, doesn't mean Nick is really dead. ;) Not that we'll see him anytime soon, but if the show does get renewed(big IF with its current state), Nick could always show back up some time in the future.

After all, we've seen people come back after donating organs, so 3 gunshots is nothing.
Edited by daysjahvu, Jun 10 2014, 02:04 PM.
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Jun 10 2014, 01:41 PM
OY,Sami,Marlena and John's affair was 21 years ago,let it go,good grief,Roman was the one cheated on and I don't even remember the last time he brought up the affair,oh yeah Sami you yourself cheated so throwing stones is not a good idea.
Yeah,I thought after own cheating,Sami had let that whole thing go but I guess not.I also wonder why a Salem day is the longest when Sami's hair,make up,and wardrobe are at their absolute worse.The sooner the raccoon eye make up and the hideous pants are gone the better.
Edited by BeeBee, Jun 10 2014, 02:05 PM.
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Jun 10 2014, 01:47 PM
jam6242
Jun 10 2014, 12:51 PM
nananana7
Jun 10 2014, 12:49 PM
Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:47 PM
ouch. Julie to Gabi: "I hope you hate yourself... for the rest of your life."


I get that SSH is doing her best with the the lines she's given.

But I have a problem with writers having a legacy character tell a psychologically abused woman to hate herself.
Gabi did not at all adequately explain why she killed Nick. And it's very much in character for Julie to react that way.
A character I used to enjoy, but not this time around. May I never see Julie again.
So I've loved Julie since I was 5 years old, about 45 years now, so I'm going to give her pass on this one. She is still in shock, she had to take Nick's body to his immediate family & try to make sense of how he ended up dead under her watch. She's always been a bit impulsive, it's just a shame with Camila leaving that we might not get a follow-up scene when she has had time to talk more to Hope & think it out. Not that she would back down completely, but maybe show a bit of compassion.
Edited by daysjahvu, Jun 10 2014, 02:08 PM.
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You can tell I have something to do today because instead of doing it, I watched a whole episode.

Where to start...
Well, I've already commented on Dannifer/Ericole. Nicole saying things like, "look what you did" is why I can't even muster up sympathy for her. The whole thing is just so stupid. Meanwhile, Daniel is mad at Jennifer for the exact same reason Nicole is mad at Daniel. And all of his talk about how she would have told him is just such pure crap. They've been going back and forth with this for weeks. I hate to contribute to the sanctification of Jennifer, but she's the only one who I think is truly not all in the wrong. Also, when Daniel first got to the Horton house, the way he and Jennifer responded to one another, you'd have thought he fell down an elevator shaft a few months ago. Ridiculous.

Kate/Sami/Marlena. Well. First of all, something had to have been cut. The last Marlena/Sami scene didn't flow AT ALL from the previous one. It seemed like things were going well, and then all of a sudden Sami was pissed again. I didn't mind Kate/Marlena's interactions EXCEPT that when they put Kate/Sami together, they act like two teenagers. Also, Marlena's hair looked absolutely horrid, and why on earth are they so obsessed with that stupid color.

And there's Sami. Okay. I would like FOR ONCE for someone to actually answer this. Are there scenes I'm just forgetting where Marlena has listed Sami's crimes for the beginning or gone back and scolded her for the stuff from the past? I can't think of a single time that's happened, and yet I can think of several times Sami has accused her of doing it. It's frustrating to me because it seems to have just been accepted on soap boards that that's what always happens, but I've never actually seen it happen...let alone always. So someone please. Show me what you/they are talking about.

Ejate. I usually enjoy Ejate, but it was pretty blah today. And Kate said she didn't think bringing Sami "back into the DiMera household" was a good idea. I'm sorry. Where do you think she is now? And was there even anything bad about it before? The first time, it didn't affect Kate at all. The second time, EJ ended up with a bullet in his head, but prior to that it wasn't a big deal. Something is obviously going to happen with Kate/Sami at some point, and I just hope it doesn't involve them continuing to act like rejects from Heathers. But it will.

I want to punch EJ in the face every he calls Gabi "Gabriela". Stop. It's not cute when you call people names other than what they actually go by. Gabriela isn't a nickname; it's him being a douchebag, and she should stop answering to it. Also, he said subpoener. Which made me laugh for so many more reasons than I will share.

Per Julie, Nick does have more than one parent.

Hope said "how is Jessica and Marie"

I'm torn on the Julie stuff. The problem is that consistently no one is telling her the whole story, and no one is really arguing against any of her points. But there also hasn't really been an opportunity for it. It's irritating, but I have trouble being pissed at her because she still doesn't know all the things she should know, and there's no reason for these people to not just tell her.

Also, Hope keeps saying that Nick didn't deserve to die. Okay. Fine. Legitimate even. Not overly relevant. He's already dead whether he deserved it or not. At some point someone needs to address what his victims deserved.

Finally, Eric called Caroline and told her to take the night off...from right outside the already closed pub. What?


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jam6242
Jun 10 2014, 02:00 PM
nananana7
Jun 10 2014, 01:40 PM
After watching the clip of today's Julie/Gabi/Hope scenes, I have these comments:

I like that Gabi was really trying to see things from Julie's perspective.
Gabi said to EJ, right before Julie came in the room:
"Julie must be in so much pain. Nick collapsed in her arms that night in the square.
I can't ... I can't keep hiding from the people I've hurt -- people who loved Nick".

This kind of empathy, and trying to see things from others' point of view --- that is a significant character development for Gabi.

I hated Gabi for ages, so this is big for me to have this change in perspective about Gabi.

I don't think I've ever seen Sami show that kind of nuanced compassion for her victims.

I think Gabi did a good job of explaining to Julie what happened -- yet Gabi was not trying to excuse murdering.

I think Julie did a poor job of listening to Hope, and a poor job of listening to Gabi.

I think Hope was awesome.
What did Gabi really say that should have convinced Julie that it was okay to murder Nick? :shrug: And apparently Julie had somehow just learned that Gabi was the killer. I love Hope but she should have let Julie know herself.
I think that Hope was planning to tell Julie, but with work and whatever, hadn't had the time (or maybe she didn't want to tell Julie over the phone).
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Matt
Jun 10 2014, 12:59 PM
today's episode was directed by Albert Alarr from a surprisingly good script written by David Cherrill
One correction: Grant Johnson was today's director. Albert was listed in his usual Producer credit today, but not as the director.
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daysjahvu
Jun 10 2014, 02:01 PM
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Jun 10 2014, 12:35 PM
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Julie has a right to be angry and to say Gabi doesn't deserve a second change either. Good god! Nick was her FAMILY..Gabi is NOT. And Nick didn't have to die! He was murdered to cover up others crimes. If ANY of them were so terrified of the so called master abuser one of them would have went to the police, simple as that. If Nick deserved to die..I can name you TONS of others on the show who deserve it too.
Nobody has said Gabi had a right to kill Nick (except Kate, who knew a little about domestic abuse).

Nick was given more than one chance. He was on at least his second and third. He pissed all his chances away. I haven't seen one of the Nick apologists mention that not one of Nick's victims ever did a single thing to him (up until the River) and he was forgiven by many of the people he victimized.

However, I do agree that EVERYONE, including Julie and Hope, could have stopped the Nick situation from escalating had they refused to take his blackmail or seen him for what he was. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should have done things differently and Gabi wouldn't have felt so helpless. Which is why it's called mitigating circumstances.
And I am sorry but I don't see her as this helpless victim. She sure wasn't helpless in her crime against Melanie. But I do believe they ALL bear some responsibility in his death. Each were being blackmailed by him and could have stopped it by going to the police. The truth would have come out and he would have gotten into some kind of trouble himself. As a side note: I hate the fact they killed him off. I LOVE Blake Berris and had hoped he would have come back..redeemed somehow.
Just because we saw him die, doesn't mean Nick is really dead. ;) Not that we'll see him anytime soon, but if the show does get renewed(big IF with its current state), Nick could always show back up some time in the future.

After all, we've seen people come back after donating organs, so 3 gunshots is nothing.
The show isn't going to be looking at renewal issues for a while. The current state won't much matter because the show is good for the next two years. Nick could come back to life, die, and come back again before that's an issue, lol.
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I realize Days is good for the next couple of years, but I would think Nick would be one of those characters that would pop up years down the road, not in the next couple.
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