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Jun 15 2014, 12:25 PM
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I also would like to add that Victor slut-shaming Theresa and threatening her is problematic in more ways than one. Victor is an old man who could be her grandfather yet he finds it okay to harass and call her names. I find the show in general doesn't consider age and power when the bid people against one another.
For example, when EJ was using Will, many liked the dynamic but it actually made me dislike EJ. It completely destroyed EJ's character for me. IF a character doesn't have an issue asserting power over someone very young and more vulnerable then that makes me not like the character at all. Victor supposedly has high regards for Caroline, yet he's okay with shaming her grandson and threatening and slut-shaming her granddaughter. To me, I will have less respect for Caroline for actually liking this guy to begin with since he seems like a complete and utter douchebag.
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Jun 15 2014, 12:42 PM
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I never ever need to see those people again that were in the first picture. Gabi's last scenes were nice and I'm glad she got a good exit, however I don't feel any need to ever see her back again, she's just not an important character to the show at all, bye! I don't really mind Will's clothes although I knew people would start yapping about it the minute I saw it :blulaugh: LOL Julie is always a barking little mut but this time she had every right to be upset. LOL @ Sami Kate fights being so obviously fake.... do they really expect us to fall for that... lol? This supposed Sami Jordan thing is so ridiculous, they are not going to have any sort of a rivalry, neither party has really any time for that plus they aren't interested in the same men in the least, which made the scenes pointless, of course. Bwahaaaa - best moment of the day Victor telling that nasty little tramp exactly what she is, and to go get Brady and do it snappy :blulaugh: bwahhahhahaaa. Good for him, and finally someone told this slut the truth. And I'm sorry she is a slut, I don't really any complaints about "slut-shaming" there's no such thing lol. Plus it's always been a part of soaps, a soap staple, just like other things I will never understand people complaining about lol Love Brady but in the real world he'd already have been fired ages ago. Like Ben but his butting in to a very personal conversation and to people who were his customers was just weird.
What makes Theresa a slut? And why isn't Brady a slut?
How many people has Brady slept with versus Theresa? Did Theresa sleep with Vargas? She didn't manage to sleep with JJ. So, including Brady and Vargas, she's slept with two people onscreen. In the past couple years, Brady has slept with Nicole, Kristen, Madison, Theresa and Arianna Sr. if you go back a ways. Honestly, as long as you are a single adult, you can do what you like without shame, but the double standard applied by Victor and others is ridiculous.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Theresa slept with Vargas. He was arrested when he fought with that guy she was dancing with. Theresa was with Vargas to score some drugs, and nothing else. The only other guy she almost slept with was JJ, and she was completely wasted at that time. And I don't put a lot of stock on her Daniel obsession, since it was a direct result of her crazy Jennifer hatred. I find the morality of drug addiction very interesting. A guy like Daniel who's cheated with married women, pursued young and impressionable girls and slept with patients is supposedly a moral character but someone like Theresa is completely immoral. And let's not forget Abigail who continues to be portrayed as the example of innocence. The girl stalked a married man and lied about their relationship, and then pursued and slept with an almost married man (in public places no less), who's engaged to her own cousins' mother. She bartered for sex in exchange for looking the other way about her cousin's disappearance, and she's aware of her ex-lover ordering a hit on the same cousin, yet she doesn't say anything. But we're supposed to believe she's very moral but Theresa is somehow a slut and irredeemable. I feel that people hate Theresa because she has addictions issues. Being addicted is not a personality flaw or a weakness, it's an illness. Too bad Days writers are clueless about addiction. In any case, I do understand that Theresa's character is poorly drawn. Flushing out her motivations and back story would help a great deal but still people are judging her mostly because of the addictions issue. Brady is an adult who's struggled with Addiction before Theresa showed up, yet all his problems are blamed on Theresa. Every character takes a turn at calling her names, yells at her and accuses her of being a bad influence on Brady. It's just maddening. What happened to Brady's agency and personal responsibility? Why is Theresa responsible for his choices? And Honeybees, I agree with you, even if Theresa has slept with other guys that doesn't make her a slut. She's single and she's free to do what she wants. Victor is a disgusting old man who delights in shaming women. He's judging Theresa and Kimberly as though he has socially acceptable sexual mores. I still don't believe that Theresa even has an addiction in the first place. Some people just use drugs because they like using drugs. There's no deeper meaning to it. They're not doing it to fill some sort of void or dull some sort of pain. They're not doing it to escape a troubled past or because a history of addiction runs in their family. They can quit whenever they want to (seriously). They often do quit for long periods of time, and when they start using again, it isn't a cause for alarm. They don't think there's anything wrong with using drugs, which are only looked upon as being "worse" than alcohol because one is illegal and the other isn't, despite the fact that the end result is the same with both -- mind alteration. They never let drugs consume their entire life. They don't drive while high or go to work while high or do anything while high that could endanger the lives of others. They just. Like. Using. Drugs. Period.
Brady is unquestionably an addict. But Theresa? I don't think so. Of course, considering the stigma that drug use carries, and how difficult it is for most people to grasp (let alone believe) that there is a major difference between drug use and drug abuse, being an unapologetic, non-addicted drug user would probably make Theresa even less sympathetic to most viewers.
I've already called out people on this site multiple times in the past for labeling characters "sluts" or "whores", so I'll stay out of that particular discussion this time. :lol:
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Jun 15 2014, 03:51 PM
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Lol, well it doesn't matter, Victor said that to put her in place, I'm sure he wasn't thinking about or counting her sexual escapades, I doubt he would even want to know, God knows I wouldn't :blulaugh: I'm just so glad someone told that trashy bitch off.
The point is that Victor is a misogynst, and that matters a great deal. He always puts women in their place using their sexual behavior, but not men. And frankly, so does the show and so do a lot of women and men in real life. The truth is, slut shaming is ugly, old fashioned and stupid and is nearly always applied to women but not men. I've said it before, but if Victor can evolve to be Wilson's biggest shipper, then he can dial back his ugly, old-fashioned and outmoded ideas about sexual behavior.
I know people getting 'put in their place' is a staple of soaps, but I like to see the person getting put in their place be allowed to fight back. Theresa should have been allowed to say, "I take it you weren't this old bag of bones when you slept with my grandmother?" I'm sick of him being allowed to trash talk women and just walk away. And I find it hard to believe that someone who talks as ugly about women the way Victor does, doesn't also talk just as ugly about minorities and gay people. I think it would be much more believable if we saw him on the phone with Donald Sterling offering an old friend his help than the Victor who is so pro gay.
And if Victor called a gay person an offensive word, I doubt people would be laughing or wondering why others felt offended. But when Victor calls women sluts, whores, ah, he doesn't mean any harm. He's just being good ol' Uncle Vic... Then why is he constantly praised around here for doing it? People call it "snark" (which is something that doesn't really even exist lol) but they usually like it and just laugh it off. I really don't see how *this* would possibly the worst thing he could have done. If he was responsible for playing a tape that would go on to destroy Eric's, Brady's, Kristen's and Marlena's lives and people would forgive him for that, I hardly think this is anything lol
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Jun 15 2014, 03:57 PM
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I know people getting 'put in their place' is a staple of soaps, but I like to see the person getting put in their place be allowed to fight back. Theresa should have been allowed to say, "I take it you weren't this old bag of bones when you slept with my grandmother?" I'm sick of him being allowed to trash talk women and just walk away. And I find it hard to believe that someone who talks as ugly about women the way Victor does, doesn't also talk just as ugly about minorities and gay people. I think it would be much more believable if we saw him on the phone with Donald Sterling offering an old friend his help than the Victor who is so pro gay.
And if Victor called a gay person an offensive word, I doubt people would be laughing or wondering why others felt offended. But when Victor calls women sluts, whores, ah, he doesn't mean any harm. He's just being good ol' Uncle Vic...
Then why is he constantly praised around here for doing it? People call it "snark" (which is something that doesn't really even exist lol) but they usually like it and just laugh it off. I really don't see how *this* would possibly the worst thing he could have done. If he was responsible for playing a tape that would go on to destroy Eric's, Brady's, Kristen's and Marlena's lives and people would forgive him for that, I hardly think this is anything lol He's not always praised. We actually complain about it a lot, too. You know...because we don't all have the same opinion? I complain about it a lot, and have had many conversations about it with people who agree.
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Kaha
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Jun 15 2014, 04:04 PM
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How many people has Brady slept with versus Theresa? Did Theresa sleep with Vargas? She didn't manage to sleep with JJ. So, including Brady and Vargas, she's slept with two people onscreen. In the past couple years, Brady has slept with Nicole, Kristen, Madison, Theresa and Arianna Sr. if you go back a ways. Honestly, as long as you are a single adult, you can do what you like without shame, but the double standard applied by Victor and others is ridiculous.
I could be wrong, but I don't think Theresa slept with Vargas. He was arrested when he fought with that guy she was dancing with. Theresa was with Vargas to score some drugs, and nothing else. The only other guy she almost slept with was JJ, and she was completely wasted at that time. And I don't put a lot of stock on her Daniel obsession, since it was a direct result of her crazy Jennifer hatred. I find the morality of drug addiction very interesting. A guy like Daniel who's cheated with married women, pursued young and impressionable girls and slept with patients is supposedly a moral character but someone like Theresa is completely immoral. And let's not forget Abigail who continues to be portrayed as the example of innocence. The girl stalked a married man and lied about their relationship, and then pursued and slept with an almost married man (in public places no less), who's engaged to her own cousins' mother. She bartered for sex in exchange for looking the other way about her cousin's disappearance, and she's aware of her ex-lover ordering a hit on the same cousin, yet she doesn't say anything. But we're supposed to believe she's very moral but Theresa is somehow a slut and irredeemable. I feel that people hate Theresa because she has addictions issues. Being addicted is not a personality flaw or a weakness, it's an illness. Too bad Days writers are clueless about addiction. In any case, I do understand that Theresa's character is poorly drawn. Flushing out her motivations and back story would help a great deal but still people are judging her mostly because of the addictions issue. Brady is an adult who's struggled with Addiction before Theresa showed up, yet all his problems are blamed on Theresa. Every character takes a turn at calling her names, yells at her and accuses her of being a bad influence on Brady. It's just maddening. What happened to Brady's agency and personal responsibility? Why is Theresa responsible for his choices? And Honeybees, I agree with you, even if Theresa has slept with other guys that doesn't make her a slut. She's single and she's free to do what she wants. Victor is a disgusting old man who delights in shaming women. He's judging Theresa and Kimberly as though he has socially acceptable sexual mores.
I still don't believe that Theresa even has an addiction in the first place. Some people just use drugs because they like using drugs. There's no deeper meaning to it. They're not doing it to fill some sort of void or dull some sort of pain. They're not doing it to escape a troubled past or because a history of addiction runs in their family. They can quit whenever they want to (seriously). They often do quit for long periods of time, and when they start using again, it isn't a cause for alarm. They don't think there's anything wrong with using drugs, which are only looked upon as being "worse" than alcohol because one is illegal and the other isn't, despite the fact that the end result is the same with both -- mind alteration. They never let drugs consume their entire life. They don't drive while high or go to work while high or do anything while high that could endanger the lives of others. They just. Like. Using. Drugs. Period. Brady is unquestionably an addict. But Theresa? I don't think so. Of course, considering the stigma that drug use carries, and how difficult it is for most people to grasp (let alone believe) that there is a major difference between drug use and drug abuse, being an unapologetic, non-addicted drug user would probably make Theresa even less sympathetic to most viewers. I've already called out people on this site multiple times in the past for labeling characters "sluts" or "whores", so I'll stay out of that particular discussion this time. :lol: You and I have gone several rounds debating whether Theresa is addicted to drugs or if she's a casual user. I honestly, don't think the show will present someone as a casual user because they tend to moralize over everything. Besides, I don't think they did any research or even care to present drug use and abuse in a realistic way. These are the same writers who thought it was a good treatment option for a young lady who overdosed and was treated in a hospital, to go to AA with an old lady as a sponsor. I don't think they care, aside from using it as a plot for Brady until Kristen's return.
Having said all that, I think the show wants us to believe that Theresa is addicted to hard drugs. Theresa lies and steals to get her drugs. She even got in conflict with the law as a result of her addiction (even though, we don't know what she's charged with). For the past few weeks, Theresa and Brady were engaged in what looks like cocaine binge. We've seen Theresa use drugs early in the morning and that's a sure sign of someone who's addicted.
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Jun 15 2014, 04:28 PM
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I could be wrong, but I don't think Theresa slept with Vargas. He was arrested when he fought with that guy she was dancing with. Theresa was with Vargas to score some drugs, and nothing else. The only other guy she almost slept with was JJ, and she was completely wasted at that time. And I don't put a lot of stock on her Daniel obsession, since it was a direct result of her crazy Jennifer hatred. I find the morality of drug addiction very interesting. A guy like Daniel who's cheated with married women, pursued young and impressionable girls and slept with patients is supposedly a moral character but someone like Theresa is completely immoral. And let's not forget Abigail who continues to be portrayed as the example of innocence. The girl stalked a married man and lied about their relationship, and then pursued and slept with an almost married man (in public places no less), who's engaged to her own cousins' mother. She bartered for sex in exchange for looking the other way about her cousin's disappearance, and she's aware of her ex-lover ordering a hit on the same cousin, yet she doesn't say anything. But we're supposed to believe she's very moral but Theresa is somehow a slut and irredeemable. I feel that people hate Theresa because she has addictions issues. Being addicted is not a personality flaw or a weakness, it's an illness. Too bad Days writers are clueless about addiction. In any case, I do understand that Theresa's character is poorly drawn. Flushing out her motivations and back story would help a great deal but still people are judging her mostly because of the addictions issue. Brady is an adult who's struggled with Addiction before Theresa showed up, yet all his problems are blamed on Theresa. Every character takes a turn at calling her names, yells at her and accuses her of being a bad influence on Brady. It's just maddening. What happened to Brady's agency and personal responsibility? Why is Theresa responsible for his choices? And Honeybees, I agree with you, even if Theresa has slept with other guys that doesn't make her a slut. She's single and she's free to do what she wants. Victor is a disgusting old man who delights in shaming women. He's judging Theresa and Kimberly as though he has socially acceptable sexual mores.
I still don't believe that Theresa even has an addiction in the first place. Some people just use drugs because they like using drugs. There's no deeper meaning to it. They're not doing it to fill some sort of void or dull some sort of pain. They're not doing it to escape a troubled past or because a history of addiction runs in their family. They can quit whenever they want to (seriously). They often do quit for long periods of time, and when they start using again, it isn't a cause for alarm. They don't think there's anything wrong with using drugs, which are only looked upon as being "worse" than alcohol because one is illegal and the other isn't, despite the fact that the end result is the same with both -- mind alteration. They never let drugs consume their entire life. They don't drive while high or go to work while high or do anything while high that could endanger the lives of others. They just. Like. Using. Drugs. Period. Brady is unquestionably an addict. But Theresa? I don't think so. Of course, considering the stigma that drug use carries, and how difficult it is for most people to grasp (let alone believe) that there is a major difference between drug use and drug abuse, being an unapologetic, non-addicted drug user would probably make Theresa even less sympathetic to most viewers. I've already called out people on this site multiple times in the past for labeling characters "sluts" or "whores", so I'll stay out of that particular discussion this time. :lol:
You and I have gone several rounds debating whether Theresa is addicted to drugs or if she's a casual user. I honestly, don't think the show will present someone as a casual user because they tend to moralize over everything. Besides, I don't think they did any research or even care to present drug use and abuse in a realistic way. These are the same writers who thought it was a good treatment option for a young lady who overdosed and was treated in a hospital, to go to AA with an old lady as a sponsor. I don't think they care, aside from using it as a plot for Brady until Kristen's return. Having said all that, I think the show wants us to believe that Theresa is addicted to hard drugs. Theresa lies and steals to get her drugs. She even got in conflict with the law as a result of her addiction (even though, we don't know what she's charged with). For the past few weeks, Theresa and Brady were engaged in what looks like cocaine binge. We've seen Theresa use drugs early in the morning and that's a sure sign of someone who's addicted. Oh, I agree with you -- the writers probably think of Theresa as an addict. But they have done nothing to convince me that she is. She seems to survive just fine without cocaine and be perfectly capable of turning it down when she wants or needs to, unlike Brady, and she doesn't really turn to it to numb pain or escape from anything in particular, unlike Brady. At most, she seems to be a functioning addict, and I'm not even really prepared to go that far yet, other than just for the sake of argument.
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I still don't believe that Theresa even has an addiction in the first place. Some people just use drugs because they like using drugs. There's no deeper meaning to it. They're not doing it to fill some sort of void or dull some sort of pain. They're not doing it to escape a troubled past or because a history of addiction runs in their family. They can quit whenever they want to (seriously). They often do quit for long periods of time, and when they start using again, it isn't a cause for alarm. They don't think there's anything wrong with using drugs, which are only looked upon as being "worse" than alcohol because one is illegal and the other isn't, despite the fact that the end result is the same with both -- mind alteration. They never let drugs consume their entire life. They don't drive while high or go to work while high or do anything while high that could endanger the lives of others. They just. Like. Using. Drugs. Period. Brady is unquestionably an addict. But Theresa? I don't think so. Of course, considering the stigma that drug use carries, and how difficult it is for most people to grasp (let alone believe) that there is a major difference between drug use and drug abuse, being an unapologetic, non-addicted drug user would probably make Theresa even less sympathetic to most viewers. I've already called out people on this site multiple times in the past for labeling characters "sluts" or "whores", so I'll stay out of that particular discussion this time. :lol:
You and I have gone several rounds debating whether Theresa is addicted to drugs or if she's a casual user. I honestly, don't think the show will present someone as a casual user because they tend to moralize over everything. Besides, I don't think they did any research or even care to present drug use and abuse in a realistic way. These are the same writers who thought it was a good treatment option for a young lady who overdosed and was treated in a hospital, to go to AA with an old lady as a sponsor. I don't think they care, aside from using it as a plot for Brady until Kristen's return. Having said all that, I think the show wants us to believe that Theresa is addicted to hard drugs. Theresa lies and steals to get her drugs. She even got in conflict with the law as a result of her addiction (even though, we don't know what she's charged with). For the past few weeks, Theresa and Brady were engaged in what looks like cocaine binge. We've seen Theresa use drugs early in the morning and that's a sure sign of someone who's addicted.
Oh, I agree with you -- the writers probably think of Theresa as an addict. But they have done nothing to convince me that she is. She seems to survive just fine without cocaine and be perfectly capable of turning it down when she wants or needs to, unlike Brady, and she doesn't really turn to it to numb pain or escape from anything in particular, unlike Brady. At most, she seems to be a functioning addict, and I'm not even really prepared to go that far yet, other than just for the sake of argument. I like it when you agree with me.
What annoys me about Theresa and Brady's drug s/l is that everyone is always yelling at Theresa, as thought she's corrupting a minor. It makes Brady sound like dolt and it's hard for me to believe he's a CEO of a major company when his grandpa and his dad are fighting his wars. It also annoys me that members of Brady's family are insulting and bullying Theresa while her family are just ignoring her.
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I know people getting 'put in their place' is a staple of soaps, but I like to see the person getting put in their place be allowed to fight back. Theresa should have been allowed to say, "I take it you weren't this old bag of bones when you slept with my grandmother?" I'm sick of him being allowed to trash talk women and just walk away. And I find it hard to believe that someone who talks as ugly about women the way Victor does, doesn't also talk just as ugly about minorities and gay people. I think it would be much more believable if we saw him on the phone with Donald Sterling offering an old friend his help than the Victor who is so pro gay.
And if Victor called a gay person an offensive word, I doubt people would be laughing or wondering why others felt offended. But when Victor calls women sluts, whores, ah, he doesn't mean any harm. He's just being good ol' Uncle Vic...
Then why is he constantly praised around here for doing it? People call it "snark" (which is something that doesn't really even exist lol) but they usually like it and just laugh it off. I really don't see how *this* would possibly the worst thing he could have done. If he was responsible for playing a tape that would go on to destroy Eric's, Brady's, Kristen's and Marlena's lives and people would forgive him for that, I hardly think this is anything lol Those of us who are objecting to his current behavior never praised it before. In fact, if I remember correctly, several of us talked about how we dreaded and anticipated Victor's sexist douchebaggery when the spoiler came out.
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And if Victor called a gay person an offensive word, I doubt people would be laughing or wondering why others felt offended. But when Victor calls women sluts, whores, ah, he doesn't mean any harm. He's just being good ol' Uncle Vic...
Then why is he constantly praised around here for doing it? People call it "snark" (which is something that doesn't really even exist lol) but they usually like it and just laugh it off. I really don't see how *this* would possibly the worst thing he could have done. If he was responsible for playing a tape that would go on to destroy Eric's, Brady's, Kristen's and Marlena's lives and people would forgive him for that, I hardly think this is anything lol
He's not always praised. We actually complain about it a lot, too. You know...because we don't all have the same opinion? I complain about it a lot, and have had many conversations about it with people who agree. I think John Aniston is a great presence, and I love it when Victor specifically insults someone who deserves it. I like it when he rips on anyone who tries to hurt Sonny, like Nick or T way back when. I was all good when he was snarking on the Salem PD, because despite Hope's pretty competent investigation they do have a history of incompetence. But he also has a long and unpleasant history of sexism and specifically slut shaming (See Chloe...and yes you can go all the way back to Kim).
There's plenty of reasons to insult Theresa, too, except I'm not sure Victor knows about any of them. She's reckless, narcissistic, druggie, a bully and unethical. Worse, she had a crush on Daniel. Any one of those things would make a fine target. However, she is not promiscuous and even if she were, that's her business.
I mostly like Victor (as a mostly reformed villain) but I do not like this one very serious outmoded aspect of his character.
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Quoting limited to 4 levels deep do quit for long periods of time, and when they start using again, it isn't a cause for alarm. They don't think there's anything wrong with using drugs, which are only looked upon as being "worse" than alcohol because one is illegal and the other isn't, despite the fact that the end result is the same with both -- mind alteration. They never let drugs consume their entire life. They don't drive while high or go to work while high or do anything while high that could endanger the lives of others. They just. Like. Using. Drugs. Period. Brady is unquestionably an addict. But Theresa? I don't think so. Of course, considering the stigma that drug use carries, and how difficult it is for most people to grasp (let alone believe) that there is a major difference between drug use and drug abuse, being an unapologetic, non-addicted drug user would probably make Theresa even less sympathetic to most viewers. I've already called out people on this site multiple times in the past for labeling characters "sluts" or "whores", so I'll stay out of that particular discussion this time. :lol:
You and I have gone several rounds debating whether Theresa is addicted to drugs or if she's a casual user. I honestly, don't think the show will present someone as a casual user because they tend to moralize over everything. Besides, I don't think they did any research or even care to present drug use and abuse in a realistic way. These are the same writers who thought it was a good treatment option for a young lady who overdosed and was treated in a hospital, to go to AA with an old lady as a sponsor. I don't think they care, aside from using it as a plot for Brady until Kristen's return. Having said all that, I think the show wants us to believe that Theresa is addicted to hard drugs. Theresa lies and steals to get her drugs. She even got in conflict with the law as a result of her addiction (even though, we don't know what she's charged with). For the past few weeks, Theresa and Brady were engaged in what looks like cocaine binge. We've seen Theresa use drugs early in the morning and that's a sure sign of someone who's addicted.
Oh, I agree with you -- the writers probably think of Theresa as an addict. But they have done nothing to convince me that she is. She seems to survive just fine without cocaine and be perfectly capable of turning it down when she wants or needs to, unlike Brady, and she doesn't really turn to it to numb pain or escape from anything in particular, unlike Brady. At most, she seems to be a functioning addict, and I'm not even really prepared to go that far yet, other than just for the sake of argument.
I like it when you agree with me. What annoys me about Theresa and Brady's drug s/l is that everyone is always yelling at Theresa, as thought she's corrupting a minor. It makes Brady sound like dolt and it's hard for me to believe he's a CEO of a major company when his grandpa and his dad are fighting his wars. It also annoys me that members of Brady's family are insulting and bullying Theresa while her family are just ignoring her. :hug:
Yeah, it would be nice for Theresa to have at least one person who is regularly on her side. But she'll be getting that soon, presumably. Surely Eve will stick up for Theresa if given the chance (meaning, if she's actually around when Theresa needs someone to stick up for her).
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Jun 15 2014, 08:23 PM
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- Will&Sonny
- Jun 15 2014, 08:07 PM
- Kaha
- Jun 15 2014, 05:47 PM
- Will&Sonny
- Jun 15 2014, 04:28 PM
- Kaha
- Jun 15 2014, 04:04 PM
Quoting limited to 4 levels deepdo
Oh, I agree with you -- the writers probably think of Theresa as an addict. But they have done nothing to convince me that she is. She seems to survive just fine without cocaine and be perfectly capable of turning it down when she wants or needs to, unlike Brady, and she doesn't really turn to it to numb pain or escape from anything in particular, unlike Brady. At most, she seems to be a functioning addict, and I'm not even really prepared to go that far yet, other than just for the sake of argument.
I like it when you agree with me. What annoys me about Theresa and Brady's drug s/l is that everyone is always yelling at Theresa, as thought she's corrupting a minor. It makes Brady sound like dolt and it's hard for me to believe he's a CEO of a major company when his grandpa and his dad are fighting his wars. It also annoys me that members of Brady's family are insulting and bullying Theresa while her family are just ignoring her. :hug: Yeah, it would be nice for Theresa to have at least one person who is regularly on her side. But she'll be getting that soon, presumably. Surely Eve will stick up for Theresa if given the chance (meaning, if she's actually around when Theresa needs someone to stick up for her). I wouldn't count on it. For starters, Theresa doesn't even know Eve's daughter, which means they're not close. Of course they could be in cahoots. Second, Eve will fall in love with Dan and since he hates Theresa with passion, I don't expect Eve to stick up for her sister.
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Jun 15 2014, 11:40 PM
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- throughthehourglass
- Jun 13 2014, 10:41 AM
I really wanted more emotion from Will in this episode. Especially when Gabi was taken away and Sonny was crying. I also wanted to see Gabi hug her BFF Will and Sonny before being led off to prison. And to actually hold her daughter and hug her like she never wanted to let her go. Gabi was not handcuffed. She just kissed her daughter on the cheek and walked away with tears in her eyes.
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Jun 15 2014, 11:59 PM
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- Honeybees
- Jun 15 2014, 11:02 AM
- Yoryla
- Jun 15 2014, 10:59 AM
Lol, well it doesn't matter, Victor said that to put her in place, I'm sure he wasn't thinking about or counting her sexual escapades, I doubt he would even want to know, God knows I wouldn't :blulaugh: I'm just so glad someone told that trashy bitch off.
The point is that Victor is a misogynst, and that matters a great deal. He always puts women in their place using their sexual behavior, but not men. And frankly, so does the show and so do a lot of women and men in real life. The truth is, slut shaming is ugly, old fashioned and stupid and is nearly always applied to women but not men. I've said it before, but if Victor can evolve to be Wilson's biggest shipper, then he can dial back his ugly, old-fashioned and outmoded ideas about sexual behavior. I've always thought that Victor was Sonny's biggest fan/supporter (besides Justin) but that it's EJ who is WilSon's biggest shipper. :shrug: :D
I agree that Victor is a huge misogynistic ass and that he needs to just stop with the slut shaming. It's ugly, cruel and just downright disgusting. However, taking that part away from him, I still like seeing him go off on people...
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