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Friday, June 13th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 12 2014, 11:36 PM (18,697 Views)
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Rosebud
Jun 13 2014, 08:54 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:44 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:36 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 07:05 PM
I don't like this argument between Sami and Marlena. I don't blame Sami for trying to dump Nick's body in the river. He was an asshole
Then can Sami dump the rest of the assholes in Salem into the river? The first being Elvis? The second being Brady? And so on... Then she can jump in herself.
EJ and Brady didn't blackmail her son on two separate occasions.
She should have gone to the police. That's what most people do when they're being blackmailed... Unless you are being blackmailed because you did something against the law... :blulaugh:
Yes she should have gone to the police but this is a drama show. They had to do something more than just call the police lol
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 13 2014, 09:04 PM.
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Funny how Sami wants one of Will's blackmailers dead and is engaged to the other one. Or how she wants Nick dead for trying to take Will's daughter but is marrying a man that actually kidnapped her own daughter and passed her off for dead. Sami needs to re examin her own life before she thinks of destroying or taking another.
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Jun 13 2014, 09:05 PM
Funny how Sami wants one of Will's blackmailers dead and is engaged to the other one. Or how she wants Nick dead for trying to take Will's daughter but is marrying a man that actually kidnapped her own daughter and passed her off for dead. Sami needs to re examin her own life before she thinks of destroying or taking another.
I've only been watching this show for two years so correct me if I'm wrong but did EJ blackmail Will for months or did he stop? I mean he's not doing it now. He treats Will well now.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 13 2014, 09:14 PM.
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Honeybees
Jun 13 2014, 03:50 PM
Rafe, on the other hand, was protecting the baby sister that he raised. Yes, it turned out to be the wrong decision, but Rafe's motives should pass the Daniel-God's purity test. Oh right, only Daniel can keep secrets and/or lie for noble reasons. Nobody else can. There is no moral complexity in the Daniel-verse.
And right there you've NAILED a large part of what is so infuriating about Daniel and his place on the show. Time and again it's been demonstrated that Daniel only views things in terms of himself, his own wants and needs, and those of the people he cares about or deems worthy. He can excuse any of his own actions while raining down anger and judgment on others for similar offenses. He has an extremely fragile ego and unbelievably thin skin and resents the mere suggestion that he could be wrong about anything. And yet he is constantly hailed as, not just a good person, but THE BEST PERSON IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Thinking about the fact that the rich complexity and depth of Jack Devereux was sacrificed so that this narcissistic, empty shell of a character could be handed his family on a silver platter makes me want to bang my head against a wall! :headbang:
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Jun 13 2014, 08:58 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:49 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:36 PM

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EJ and Brady didn't blackmail her son on two separate occasions.
But they are assholes all the same, like Nick, right? You said you didn't blame Sami for wanting Nick dead cuz he was an asshole. My point was there are a lot of them in Salem, including Sami, so why not dump them all in the river?
It's not like Sami didn't have a legitimate reason for dumping him in the river. As much as I hated Gabi Nick tried to rape her and he blackmailed pretty much everyone in town.
Yea, so they should have called the police. While sometimes it doesn't seem fair, we are a nation of laws. If we all went around killing others because they did rotten things like Nick trying to rape Gabi, or because we just happen to think they are an asshole, or because they blackmailed you, then you have chaos. Not good.

And honestly, Sami didn't go to the police because getting rid of Nick was convenient and solved the problem of Nick.
Edited by Rosebud, Jun 13 2014, 09:25 PM.
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Jun 13 2014, 09:20 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:58 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:49 PM
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But they are assholes all the same, like Nick, right? You said you didn't blame Sami for wanting Nick dead cuz he was an asshole. My point was there are a lot of them in Salem, including Sami, so why not dump them all in the river?
It's not like Sami didn't have a legitimate reason for dumping him in the river. As much as I hated Gabi Nick tried to rape her and he blackmailed pretty much everyone in town.
Yea, so they should have called the police. While sometimes it doesn't seem fair, we are a nation of laws. If we all went around killing others because they did rotten things like Nick trying to tape Gabi, or because we just happen to think they are an asshole, or because they blackmailed you, then you have chaos. Not good.
While I understand what you're saying I don't agree with it. This is a drama tv show. They aren't going to just call the police. Something out of the norm has to happen. Yes in real life you would call the police if someone is blackmailing you but this isn't real life.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 13 2014, 09:23 PM.
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Jun 13 2014, 09:22 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 09:20 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 08:49 PM

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It's not like Sami didn't have a legitimate reason for dumping him in the river. As much as I hated Gabi Nick tried to rape her and he blackmailed pretty much everyone in town.
Yea, so they should have called the police. While sometimes it doesn't seem fair, we are a nation of laws. If we all went around killing others because they did rotten things like Nick trying to tape Gabi, or because we just happen to think they are an asshole, or because they blackmailed you, then you have chaos. Not good.
While I understand what you're saying I don't agree with it. This is a drama tv show. They aren't going to just call the police. Something out of the norm has to happen. Yes in real life you would call the police if someone is blackmailing you but this isn't real life.
I'm aware of that. But if drama is gonna happen like you said, then when Sami does "drama" the way she dies, I'm gonna think she's horrible :blulaugh:
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Jun 13 2014, 09:27 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 09:22 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 09:20 PM
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Yea, so they should have called the police. While sometimes it doesn't seem fair, we are a nation of laws. If we all went around killing others because they did rotten things like Nick trying to tape Gabi, or because we just happen to think they are an asshole, or because they blackmailed you, then you have chaos. Not good.
While I understand what you're saying I don't agree with it. This is a drama tv show. They aren't going to just call the police. Something out of the norm has to happen. Yes in real life you would call the police if someone is blackmailing you but this isn't real life.
I'm aware of that. But if drama is gonna happen like you said, then when Sami does "drama" the way she dies, I'm gonna think she's horrible :blulaugh:
The way she dies? Is she killed off the show or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 13 2014, 09:31 PM.
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Grandpa Hughes
Jun 13 2014, 12:26 PM
Yep. Gunsmoke is pretty good today. Im gonna take a break from "On Golden Pondscum" for awhile.
Did Marshal Dillon and Miss Kitty FINALLY hook up in today's episode? ;)
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Matt
Jun 13 2014, 12:43 PM
Caroline cooks up a bad batch of chowder. Cut to: Daniel's reaction & how it affects his lunch plans for the day...
:sarcasm: What? It won't affect his surgery schedule? I guess he could just take the files home. . .
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I thought the reason (well one of them) they didn't call the police on Nick when Gabi knocked him out was because he and Gabi got into a huge argument in front of everyone at Horton Town Square before he tried to rape her, so if they called in a "dead" Nick it would look suspicious on Gabi's part?

I mean it's still contrived but it was a semi-decent reason for not calling the cops.
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Jun 13 2014, 09:46 PM
I thought the reason (well one of them) they didn't call the police on Nick when Gabi knocked him out was because he and Gabi got into a huge argument in front of everyone at Horton Town Square before he tried to rape her, so if they called in a "dead" Nick it would look suspicious on Gabi's part?

I mean it's still contrived but it was a semi-decent reason for not calling the cops.
It's also important to point out that when Sami offered to call the police she mocked Gabi and told her she was going to get 20-Life - something that was the most inappropriate thing to say to a traumatized young woman who had been nearly raped by an ex and then thought she had killed him in self-defense. A reasonable person would have said, Gabi you're a victim of domestic abuse - the fight will help prove that and help the police understand you acted in self defense. Sami was not acting on behalf of Gabi at the river.
Edited by Honeybees, Jun 13 2014, 09:57 PM.
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Jun 13 2014, 09:29 PM
Rosebud
Jun 13 2014, 09:27 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 09:20 PM

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While I understand what you're saying I don't agree with it. This is a drama tv show. They aren't going to just call the police. Something out of the norm has to happen. Yes in real life you would call the police if someone is blackmailing you but this isn't real life.
I'm aware of that. But if drama is gonna happen like you said, then when Sami does "drama" the way she dies, I'm gonna think she's horrible :blulaugh:
The way she dies? Is she killed off the show or did I misinterpret what you wrote?
LOL, damn auto-correct. That should be DOES.
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Jun 13 2014, 09:46 PM
I thought the reason (well one of them) they didn't call the police on Nick when Gabi knocked him out was because he and Gabi got into a huge argument in front of everyone at Horton Town Square before he tried to rape her, so if they called in a "dead" Nick it would look suspicious on Gabi's part?

I mean it's still contrived but it was a semi-decent reason for not calling the cops.
I guess... but did anyone but Kate overhear it? And anyway, since Nick had a history of violence already why wouldn't the police believe Gabi's story?
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Jun 13 2014, 09:14 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 03:50 PM
Rafe, on the other hand, was protecting the baby sister that he raised. Yes, it turned out to be the wrong decision, but Rafe's motives should pass the Daniel-God's purity test. Oh right, only Daniel can keep secrets and/or lie for noble reasons. Nobody else can. There is no moral complexity in the Daniel-verse.
And right there you've NAILED a large part of what is so infuriating about Daniel and his place on the show. Time and again it's been demonstrated that Daniel only views things in terms of himself, his own wants and needs, and those of the people he cares about or deems worthy. He can excuse any of his own actions while raining down anger and judgment on others for similar offenses. He has an extremely fragile ego and unbelievably thin skin and resents the mere suggestion that he could be wrong about anything. And yet he is constantly hailed as, not just a good person, but THE BEST PERSON IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.

Thinking about the fact that the rich complexity and depth of Jack Devereux was sacrificed so that this narcissistic, empty shell of a character could be handed his family on a silver platter makes me want to bang my head against a wall! :headbang:
Daniel is always right. Always has the moral high ground and never sees complexity. A normal person would have said, "As much as I am hurt that you didn't tell me, she's your sister." But in the Daniel-verse, Melanie>Gabi and Rafe should KNOW that.

While it did go by too quick, think of the Wilson conversation today. Sonny sat on information about the mother of Will's child that was super important and in hindsight might have prevented the Nick situation from escalating. Yet, Will understood that from Sonny's perspective he was protecting his best friend/business partner and respecting his father's wishes. Sonny was sorry. Will understood Sonny's motives were pure and his reasons were good. I am trying to think of a single instance when Daniel realized that someone else had a perspective different but just as valid as his own.

If Daniel had been in Will's position today, he would have berated and shamed Sonny until Sonny was on his knees weeping and begging for forgiveness.
Edited by Honeybees, Jun 13 2014, 09:58 PM.
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Hamilton
Jun 13 2014, 02:49 PM
Melanie? Are you serious? Daniel doesn't have enough people giving him constant overexposure now we'll have to deal with her on top of the rest? Figures of all the returning character choices they pick Daniel's daughter.

Ben and Abby were cute. I like the match so far.

Jordan your man's on a self destruction mission. Besides giving the audience a heads up Melanie's return is imminent, I felt the purpose of Rafe's conversation with Daniel was a way to knock Rafe around a little more. They are setting the stage for Rafe to have his little pity spiral.

I liked Marlena and Hope's brief conversation. I also could see Sami saying what she did about not feeling sorry. She had a moment with Nick where she felt compassion and reached out to him only to have him turn the tables and laugh in her face. That was his chance for her and he didn't want it. I think it in character and fit with her experience of the guy to rejoice he's dead. Eerie though Marlena's words "It's the people who don't have regrets that should concern us."

The whole thing with Kate, Ej and Sami is full of WTF. If this is the lead in to a super duper fantastic twist they've already screwed up the introduction.
We'll just move from scene to scene with either Daniel, Melanie, Maggie and/or combinations of . . . Kill. Me. Now! :yuk:
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nananana7
Jun 13 2014, 03:23 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 11:33 AM
EJ asks Sami how Caroline is taking the Gabi news. Caroline is upset.
Matt
Jun 13 2014, 12:36 PM
so Jennifer's been negotiating with people who want to turn Jack's book into a movie. Off camera. When does Jennifer find the time to negotiate film rights & charity donations when she's always up Daniel's ass 24/7?
Matt
Jun 13 2014, 12:38 PM
Instead of hearing about this big Stefano storyline that's happening OFF CAMERA, maybe they could actually let us SEE it. lol

Yesterday's phonecall between Jule and Marie/Jessica/Joshua -- was off-camera?

We don't get to see Caroline's reaction to learning about Gabi? It's an off-screen thing?

I would much rather seen Jennifer talking about JACK's book, but the show makes this OFF-CAMERA? And instead we see on our screens Jenn obsessing about dannifer/ericole?

We learned yesterday that Kate had been out-of-town on a rendez-vous with Stefano, but it was all off-camera. And today more things about Stefano that occurred off-camera?

:shrug:

Can I just let the writers know I'm tired of some of their crap? Off camera, of course - no need to bother y'all with the trivial deets.
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Jun 13 2014, 03:39 PM
Three words for today's show....

Fuck off Marlena.


OK maybe a few more - her value of human life only seems to extend to those she feels worthy of human life. Where was her regret over what she did to Stefano? Does it not matter if it's a Dimera? Or will the excuse be that Stefano tortured Marlena for years? And her family? Funny - that's pretty much what Nick was doing to Sami and her son. So whatever. Marlena is such a sanctimonious hypocrite - ugh.

She used to be rootable a long long long long long time ago.
I think it's funny and kinda sad that you can replace Marlena's name with "Sami" AND Stephano's name with "EJ" and it is pretty much the SAME story. :blulaugh:
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Jun 13 2014, 09:50 PM
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Jun 13 2014, 09:46 PM
I thought the reason (well one of them) they didn't call the police on Nick when Gabi knocked him out was because he and Gabi got into a huge argument in front of everyone at Horton Town Square before he tried to rape her, so if they called in a "dead" Nick it would look suspicious on Gabi's part?

I mean it's still contrived but it was a semi-decent reason for not calling the cops.
It's also important to point out that when Sami offered to call the police she mocked Gabi and told her she was going to get 20-Life - something that was the most inappropriate thing to say to a traumatized young woman who had been nearly raped by and then thought she had killed him in self-defense. A reasonable person would have said, Gabi you're a victim of domestic abuse - the fight will help prove that and help the police understand you acted in self defense. Sami was not acting on behalf of Gabi at the river.
Sami never acts on behalf of anyone but herself. She wanted to throw Nick down the river, dead or alive. After he came to and struggled, she knew by throwing him back in that he would not likely survive but that is what she wanted, she wanted him dead so that was attempted murder ,period. Sami didn't try to do right by Gabi by a long shot.
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Jun 13 2014, 06:39 PM
six
Jun 13 2014, 06:36 PM
This has nothing to do with today's show, but I don't see another place to ask, so - what's going on with John? I saw him getting beat up in HTS and I guess I missed the next couple of episodes because I never saw any resolution. Was he not hurt that badly, and he just went home? Is he in the hospital? Is he looking to get back at Brady?
Great question Six! Where is John and is he ok?
Yeah, no joke. He could have a brain bleed and no one would know OR care.
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