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Jun 15 2014, 03:05 PM
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He is not even upset with Melanie his own daughter who knew and did not tell him,she is just an angel who wanted to handle things on her own.Why should Rafe throw his own sister under the bus to tell Daniel something his own daughter did not tell him.Daniel kept JJ and Nicole's secret but Rafe should not have kept his sister's secret???? Daniel is full of it.
There is a major difference between a victim deciding not to out the person who hurt them and a cop covering up a relative's crime. Daniel's only crime that's similar to Rafe's is the crime of faking the DNA test. And even despite that, he still has a justifiable reason to be angry with Rafe.
Daniel covered up JJ's drug party with Theresa.Based on Daniel covering for Nicole and JJ there is no question that he would have covered for Melanie if the situation with Rafe and Gabi had been reversed with him and Melanie.He should understand why Rafe would cover for his own sister instead of having her sent to prison. I'm sure he would have covered for Melanie if the tables were turned. However, his loyalty is with his child, as it should be, and no one wants the cops to cover up a crime where someone they cared about got hurt. No one who's sane, anyway. And here's the thing - you can understand why someone would do something without being okay with it. I understand why Gabi, Sami and Kate just went home after realizing Nick was alive when they dumped him in the river, instead of calling 911 and attempting to get him help. That doesn't mean what they did was right or that they shouldn't have to answer for what they did.
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Jun 15 2014, 04:19 PM
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lol, they honestly expect us to buy these ridiculous Kate Sami fake arguments? LOL
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Jun 15 2014, 05:11 PM
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EJ and Brady didn't blackmail her son on two separate occasions.
Well EJ did, with the exact same thing that Nick blackmailed him with. Also treated Will like his minion and told him; when I say jump, you say how high.
Yeah, Ej did blackmail Will by giving him a well paying job, a car and a luxurious apartment. I wish someone would blackmail me that way LOL. Then will turned the tables on him and blackmailed him which made them even. Then Ej was there for him when he was going through an ordeal and they became friends. Nick hated Will because he was gay and did everything in his power to take his child from him twice. Two different situations. I always thought about that s/l that someone should explain to EJ what blackmail means. He seemed not to understand that Will was supposed to be doing things for him not the other way around. Except for the Abe incident Will came and went as he pleased, he was always late, hardly ever answered EJ's calls and still managed to get a paycheck, an apartment, and a car. EJ'd idea of blackmail when it came to Will took all of the sting out of it, made it almost a good thing.
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Jun 15 2014, 05:23 PM
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Here is the relevant little detail people seem to have conveniently omitted in the discussion. When the gang threw Nick in the river, they thought he was already dead. They were just covering up what they thought what Gabi's murder. They only realized that Nick was still alive when he was already in the river. He was pulling Sami into the river and of course, she pushed him out to save herself as anyone would. Otherwise, she would have drown with him. What they should have done is get help and call the police instead of leaving him to die. They should have made an attempt to help him at any cost, but they did not. none of them did. with all her crying, i did not see Gabi jumped in there to help Nick lol. I recognize she felt bad, but so did Sami because she was having nightmares. What they did was at worst manslaughter or accidental death, obstruction of justice. But I doubt it would be considered murder one under the circumstances.
No one is conveniently omitting anything. People are talking about different details. If you would like to add to it by pointing out additional arguments, try doing it without trying to throw shade at everyone else.
Okay, so I have a question and it's a little off topic: IF Gabi HAD told ALL the truth . . . that she whacked him in the head with the rock and about Kate/Sami and the river would her sentence likely have been less? Hmmm, I wonder? There is no way she would have gotten a plea deal if they knew she thought she had killed Nick before. In the prosecutor's eyes she would have simply been seen to be successful where she failed before. It would seem as if she tried to kill Nick both times and she finally got it right. The prosecutor would not believe her story of rape since that was self defense and she could have called the police. There is also the fact that she was involved with Nick after he was supposed to have tried to rape her. No prosecutor or defense attorney would consider Kate and Sami as credible witnesses considering they participated. If the prosecutor knew the whole story she would probably be sentenced to life, if not life without parole. She would probably have company however.
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Jun 15 2014, 05:36 PM
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Well EJ did, with the exact same thing that Nick blackmailed him with. Also treated Will like his minion and told him; when I say jump, you say how high.
Yeah, Ej did blackmail Will by giving him a well paying job, a car and a luxurious apartment. I wish someone would blackmail me that way LOL. Then will turned the tables on him and blackmailed him which made them even. Then Ej was there for him when he was going through an ordeal and they became friends. Nick hated Will because he was gay and did everything in his power to take his child from him twice. Two different situations.
I always thought about that s/l that someone should explain to EJ what blackmail means. He seemed not to understand that Will was supposed to be doing things for him not the other way around. Except for the Abe incident Will came and went as he pleased, he was always late, hardly ever answered EJ's calls and still managed to get a paycheck, an apartment, and a car. EJ'd idea of blackmail when it came to Will took all of the sting out of it, made it almost a good thing.
:laugh: Too funny. I honestly think Ej just wanted to make friend with Will. Being Ej Dimera, he blackmailed Will into being his friend and bought his friendship with expensive gits for good measure LOL.
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Jun 15 2014, 06:35 PM
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Well EJ did, with the exact same thing that Nick blackmailed him with. Also treated Will like his minion and told him; when I say jump, you say how high.
Yeah, Ej did blackmail Will by giving him a well paying job, a car and a luxurious apartment. I wish someone would blackmail me that way LOL. Then will turned the tables on him and blackmailed him which made them even. Then Ej was there for him when he was going through an ordeal and they became friends. Nick hated Will because he was gay and did everything in his power to take his child from him twice. Two different situations.
I always thought about that s/l that someone should explain to EJ what blackmail means. He seemed not to understand that Will was supposed to be doing things for him not the other way around. Except for the Abe incident Will came and went as he pleased, he was always late, hardly ever answered EJ's calls and still managed to get a paycheck, an apartment, and a car. EJ'd idea of blackmail when it came to Will took all of the sting out of it, made it almost a good thing. That's one of the things I loved about the EJill storyline, but there could have been so much more. It would have been cool if EJ had become completely dependent on Will's ethnicallygrey fixing skills, which he had honed over a lifetime of being Sami's son. I miss the deep-down-good-hearted but still smarmy and shady version of Will during those days. I really enjoyed it when Chandler played Will as having fun stirring shit just for the hell of it. I never would have wanted him to be full on bad guy, but shady seems about right for Sami's son. GW plays Will as so stand-up and decent, but I'd like to see him get a chance to play with Will's dark side, maybe on behalf of Sonny.
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Marlena did tell John in September 2008 she regretted the Stefano poisoning,but then John reminded her WHY she did it.
But putting a person in a coma is different than murder.
AND Stefano was FAR more deserving of her wrath and hatred than Nick was from Sami IMO. Stefano did FAR more atrocious things to Marlena and her family than Nick did to Sami and her family.
Amen! The time she put Stefano in a coma, he had just had John killed by a hit and run and then made Marlena think john was dead, then brought him back with a different personality. Talk about putting two people through hell. How that is equal to Sami suffering at the hands of Nick is laughable.
It is not about the degree of suffering, the point is Marlena did the exact same thing that she is judging Sami for. She broke the law and was willing to harm another human being to protect those she loves. If Marlena wants to know why, Sami is the way she is, she should look in the mirror. - BeeBee
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Sami reminds Marlena of what Nick did to Will and Arianna. Marlena plays Nick's call to Marlena. She says Nick needed help and never had the chance. Sami says he had plenty of chances and change was't going to happen. Sami: "I'm glad that monster is dead for good this time."
"I'm glad that monster is dead for good this time."said the delusional person engaged to marry EJ DiMera,a bigger monster than Nick could ever become and who has been given more chances than Nick was ever given.Sami really is a hypocrite.How many chances has she been given?
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I don't think Sami is a heartless bitch. She has every right to hate Nick for his homophobia and blackmailing Will. Will is her son and she loves him.
Sami doesn't have a shred of decency left in her. She might have had reasons to distrust or dislike Nick but the reason she's happy he's dead is because he can no longer expose her for throwing him in the river, not because he was a threat to Will or because he was a homophobe. She's been wanting Nick dead for a long time and the only reason he didn't die at her hands is because somebody beat her to it. Gabi is the one who killed him and still she has feelings for him, including remorse, something Sami knows nothing about. Gabi takes full responsibility for her actions, something Sami never, ever did. Gabi is a more caring and compassionate person than Sami has ever been or ever will be.
Sami's feud with Nick started precisely because of her need to protect Will from Nick. When Kami and Gabi threw Nick in the river, she had no reason of her own to harm him except for protecting Gabi, Will and Ari. there was nothing in it for Sami. Now with the hit, part of the reason may have been to protect herself, but the writing has been consistent through her dialogue that she was doing that to keep Will from taking Ari from Will. As for Gabi, she IS a indeed selfish character. I am not going to dispute that Gabi has remorse. but i find it interesting that she did not seem to have any remorse until Will was arrested. She put on a damn good show while at the hospital playing the grief stricken GF to a T and she had everyone fooled. The next day, she was cold and calculating as she planned her getaway just in case. she strategically made sure that the custody papers were in order and she was planning to flee to Argentina as a plan B. I saw no emotion, remorse or freaking out while she was doing all of this. Pretty damn cold and calculated if you ask me. Let's forget that Gabi did not just kill Nick as a crime of passion or on a spur of the moment. It was premeditated. She took the gun and went to meet him with the intent to kill him and she left him for dead while she went to the hospital to put on a performance for everyone's sake. Sami is no saint, but she got nothing on Gabi when it comes to murder 101 LOL. - Rosebud
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I don't like this argument between Sami and Marlena. I don't blame Sami for trying to dump Nick's body in the river. He was an asshole
Then can Sami dump the rest of the assholes in Salem into the river? The first being Elvis? The second being Brady? And so on... Then she can jump in herself.
As long as she dump Marlena first, I am OK with that. Marie, I don't think you could have phrased it any better. I think you're reading my mind :blulaugh:
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Jun 15 2014, 07:22 PM
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He is not even upset with Melanie his own daughter who knew and did not tell him,she is just an angel who wanted to handle things on her own.Why should Rafe throw his own sister under the bus to tell Daniel something his own daughter did not tell him.Daniel kept JJ and Nicole's secret but Rafe should not have kept his sister's secret???? Daniel is full of it.
There is a major difference between a victim deciding not to out the person who hurt them and a cop covering up a relative's crime. Daniel's only crime that's similar to Rafe's is the crime of faking the DNA test. And even despite that, he still has a justifiable reason to be angry with Rafe.
Daniel covered up JJ's drug party with Theresa.Based on Daniel covering for Nicole and JJ there is no question that he would have covered for Melanie if the situation with Rafe and Gabi had been reversed with him and Melanie.He should understand why Rafe would cover for his own sister instead of having her sent to prison. instead of being sent to prison? I'm not sure I understand what you mean by that. Rafe is her brother but regardless she still committed a crime by killing someone. It is against the law to kill someone. I don't think someone blackmailing you is a good reason to kill someone. I agree with Hope and Julie. Just because Nick blackmailed people doesn't mean he deserved to die and he was probably mentally ill.
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Well EJ did, with the exact same thing that Nick blackmailed him with. Also treated Will like his minion and told him; when I say jump, you say how high.
Yeah, Ej did blackmail Will by giving him a well paying job, a car and a luxurious apartment. I wish someone would blackmail me that way LOL. Then will turned the tables on him and blackmailed him which made them even. Then Ej was there for him when he was going through an ordeal and they became friends. Nick hated Will because he was gay and did everything in his power to take his child from him twice. Two different situations.
I always thought about that s/l that someone should explain to EJ what blackmail means. He seemed not to understand that Will was supposed to be doing things for him not the other way around. Except for the Abe incident Will came and went as he pleased, he was always late, hardly ever answered EJ's calls and still managed to get a paycheck, an apartment, and a car. EJ'd idea of blackmail when it came to Will took all of the sting out of it, made it almost a good thing. We never saw EJ suffer from stealing DiMera ENterprises from Stefano.....other than that one day when he was made to feel like a fool. Afterwards, he seemed to have all the time in the world to spend time with Sami and do whatever he liked. And from that conversation on Friday's show, he's right back to running things. I want to see a payoff that last more than one show.
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Jun 15 2014, 07:48 PM
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Everybody? Seems like the only people that were happy were the ones involved in the story, and they happened to be the ones who were involved in the river coverup.
Marlena was not happy. I bet John was not happy. Allie was not happy. Kate, Sami and EJ were happy. Gabi was not happy, she was relieved that she could breathe again from within Nick's hold. That's still bad, but I didn't see her as happy like Sami, Kate and EJ were.
I don't think Sami can be classified as being happy. After Nick was murdered, she was freaking out and looked like she was losing it. Marlena even asked her if she wanted to talk to someone. I don't have the transcript but she even referenced Nick's remorse after she listened to his voice message. EJ had to tell her to stop freaking out before she makes herself a suspect. I think her mother brings the worst in Sami, and she was just reacting to Marlena's condemnation by claiming she's glad he's dead. Most of her actions since Nick was shot show that she was regretful. I think she's angry with Nick for what he did to Gabi and her emotions are raw right now. Marlena badgering and browbeating her is not helping the situation. It just makes her defensive and that's why she's saying what she's saying. Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right.
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Marlena was not happy. I bet John was not happy. Allie was not happy. Kate, Sami and EJ were happy. Gabi was not happy, she was relieved that she could breathe again from within Nick's hold. That's still bad, but I didn't see her as happy like Sami, Kate and EJ were.
I don't think Sami can be classified as being happy. After Nick was murdered, she was freaking out and looked like she was losing it. Marlena even asked her if she wanted to talk to someone. I don't have the transcript but she even referenced Nick's remorse after she listened to his voice message. EJ had to tell her to stop freaking out before she makes herself a suspect. I think her mother brings the worst in Sami, and she was just reacting to Marlena's condemnation by claiming she's glad he's dead. Most of her actions since Nick was shot show that she was regretful. I think she's angry with Nick for what he did to Gabi and her emotions are raw right now. Marlena badgering and browbeating her is not helping the situation. It just makes her defensive and that's why she's saying what she's saying.
Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right. I disagree. I think Sami is right. Marlena wasn't even there so who is she to judge. Nick tried to rape her. It's not all the uncommon for victims of rape to try and kill someone. In this case they tried to kill him by hitting him over the head with a rock and then attempting to throw him in the river. I think the second time she killed him is stupid. Blackmail isn't a reason to kill someone
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Marlena was not happy. I bet John was not happy. Allie was not happy. Kate, Sami and EJ were happy. Gabi was not happy, she was relieved that she could breathe again from within Nick's hold. That's still bad, but I didn't see her as happy like Sami, Kate and EJ were.
I don't think Sami can be classified as being happy. After Nick was murdered, she was freaking out and looked like she was losing it. Marlena even asked her if she wanted to talk to someone. I don't have the transcript but she even referenced Nick's remorse after she listened to his voice message. EJ had to tell her to stop freaking out before she makes herself a suspect. I think her mother brings the worst in Sami, and she was just reacting to Marlena's condemnation by claiming she's glad he's dead. Most of her actions since Nick was shot show that she was regretful. I think she's angry with Nick for what he did to Gabi and her emotions are raw right now. Marlena badgering and browbeating her is not helping the situation. It just makes her defensive and that's why she's saying what she's saying.
Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right. Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
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As long as she dump Marlena first, I am OK with that.
I wouldn't be surprised if Sami threw her own mother in the river.
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I didn't like Marlena's demeanor. There was a more tactful say she could have conveyed her point and I don't think Sami needs to be thrown under the bus all the time.
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I don't think Sami can be classified as being happy. After Nick was murdered, she was freaking out and looked like she was losing it. Marlena even asked her if she wanted to talk to someone. I don't have the transcript but she even referenced Nick's remorse after she listened to his voice message. EJ had to tell her to stop freaking out before she makes herself a suspect. I think her mother brings the worst in Sami, and she was just reacting to Marlena's condemnation by claiming she's glad he's dead. Most of her actions since Nick was shot show that she was regretful. I think she's angry with Nick for what he did to Gabi and her emotions are raw right now. Marlena badgering and browbeating her is not helping the situation. It just makes her defensive and that's why she's saying what she's saying.
Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right.
I disagree. I think Sami is right. Marlena wasn't even there so who is she to judge. Nick tried to rape her. It's not all the uncommon for victims of rape to try and kill someone. In this case they tried to kill him by hitting him over the head with a rock and then attempting to throw him in the river. I think the second time she killed him is stupid. Blackmail isn't a reason to kill someone This reply has me completely confused. I'm not even sure who you are talking about.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:07 PM
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Rosebud, I am talking about Sami's conversation with Marlena. I think Sami is right to defend herself. I didn't like Marlena's attitude or the way she was conveying her point. They were talking about what happened in the river and I don't think Sami owes anyone an apology for that night.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:14 PM
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I don't think Sami can be classified as being happy. After Nick was murdered, she was freaking out and looked like she was losing it. Marlena even asked her if she wanted to talk to someone. I don't have the transcript but she even referenced Nick's remorse after she listened to his voice message. EJ had to tell her to stop freaking out before she makes herself a suspect. I think her mother brings the worst in Sami, and she was just reacting to Marlena's condemnation by claiming she's glad he's dead. Most of her actions since Nick was shot show that she was regretful. I think she's angry with Nick for what he did to Gabi and her emotions are raw right now. Marlena badgering and browbeating her is not helping the situation. It just makes her defensive and that's why she's saying what she's saying.
Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right.
Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately. I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.
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