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Friday, June 13th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 12 2014, 11:36 PM (18,692 Views)
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Rosebud
Jun 15 2014, 08:14 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 07:48 PM
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Jun 14 2014, 07:05 PM

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Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right.
Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.

I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 15 2014, 08:27 PM.
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You know what is hopelessly pathetic? These sets. It's hard for the characters to be understood and for the actors to project the right feelings when they are seen in the same three places all the time. BB goes to Dabai and Dool goes to HTS. :shrug: :soapbox:
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Jun 15 2014, 08:23 PM
You know what is hopelessly pathetic? These sets. It's hard for the characters to be understood and for the actors to project the right feelings when they are seen in the same three places all the time. BB goes to Dabai and Dool goes to HTS. :shrug: :soapbox:
Those sets drive me crazy. People conduct business and deeply personal conversation in public places. And the sets suck! I don't understand how can BB afford all these location shoots but DOOL can't even afford better sets.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:07 PM
Rosebud, I am talking about Sami's conversation with Marlena. I think Sami is right to defend herself. I didn't like Marlena's attitude or the way she was conveying her point. They were talking about what happened in the river and I don't think Sami owes anyone an apology for that night.
Marlena wasn't asking for an apology. She wanted to know if her daughter has any conscience, which she doesn't obviously.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:33 PM
waterlilly
Jun 15 2014, 08:23 PM
You know what is hopelessly pathetic? These sets. It's hard for the characters to be understood and for the actors to project the right feelings when they are seen in the same three places all the time. BB goes to Dabai and Dool goes to HTS. :shrug: :soapbox:
Those sets drive me crazy. People conduct business and deeply personal conversation in public places. And the sets suck! I don't understand how can BB afford all these location shoots but DOOL can't even afford better sets.
I agree that the sets are pretty pathetic. I get so tired of seeing the HTS. People work there, eat there, renew their vows there, conduct business there, have private conversations there, have murders there... the citizens of Salem do everything there. Ridiculous. Is Days that hard up that they can't afford a few other sets? Frankly, I miss the pier!!
Edited by magicsteacher, Jun 15 2014, 08:40 PM.
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I think they still have all of their old sets (except for J&M's penthouse). I think it's just the time and labor it takes to switch them out. But yeah, their sets are pretty pathetic.
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Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.

I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
Because Sami's impulsive choices usually end with her going to jail, and Marlena knows that if this comes out, once again Sami could end up in jail which would hurt her children, no? Did Sami consider what would happen to her children when she went along with Kate's decision to dump the body, or when she told Elvis to go ahead and hire the hit man to kill Nick? Of course she didn't.

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Jun 15 2014, 08:37 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 08:07 PM
Rosebud, I am talking about Sami's conversation with Marlena. I think Sami is right to defend herself. I didn't like Marlena's attitude or the way she was conveying her point. They were talking about what happened in the river and I don't think Sami owes anyone an apology for that night.
Marlena wasn't asking for an apology. She wanted to know if her daughter has any conscience, which she doesn't obviously.
I respectfully strongly disagree with your point. Just because Sami threw Nick's body in the river after he tried to rape Gabi doesn't mean she doesn't have a conscience. I think she has every right to hate Nick for what he did to her son.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 15 2014, 08:47 PM.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:37 PM
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Rosebud, I am talking about Sami's conversation with Marlena. I think Sami is right to defend herself. I didn't like Marlena's attitude or the way she was conveying her point. They were talking about what happened in the river and I don't think Sami owes anyone an apology for that night.
Marlena wasn't asking for an apology. She wanted to know if her daughter has any conscience, which she doesn't obviously.
I respectfully strongly disagree with your point. Just because Sami threw Nick's body in the river after he tried to rape Gabi doesn't mean she doesn't have a conscience. I think she has every right to hate Nick for what he did to her son.
Hating someone and wanting them literally to DIE are two different things, IMO.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:51 PM
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DaysAddiction
Jun 15 2014, 08:07 PM
Rosebud, I am talking about Sami's conversation with Marlena. I think Sami is right to defend herself. I didn't like Marlena's attitude or the way she was conveying her point. They were talking about what happened in the river and I don't think Sami owes anyone an apology for that night.
Marlena wasn't asking for an apology. She wanted to know if her daughter has any conscience, which she doesn't obviously.
I respectfully strongly disagree with your point. Just because Sami threw Nick's body in the river after he tried to rape Gabi doesn't mean she doesn't have a conscience. I think she has every right to hate Nick for what he did to her son.
Hating someone and wanting them literally to DIE are two different things, IMO.
It's not like she wanted him to literally die for no reason. It's not uncommon to want someone dead when you hate them.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:19 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 08:14 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 07:48 PM

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Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.

I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
Sami is a terrible person. She's been a terrible person for decades.
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And Gabi isn't a terrible person? Nick wasn't a terrible person for decades? Should I list everyone who has done terrible things? No I'm not going to.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 15 2014, 09:01 PM.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:53 PM
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I respectfully strongly disagree with your point. Just because Sami threw Nick's body in the river after he tried to rape Gabi doesn't mean she doesn't have a conscience. I think she has every right to hate Nick for what he did to her son.
Hating someone and wanting them literally to DIE are two different things, IMO.
It's not like she wanted him to literally die for no reason. It's not uncommon to want someone dead when you hate them.
Again, there is a difference in wanting someone dead, to acting to cause that person to die, i.e. Hiring a hit man to kill them.
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Jun 15 2014, 09:07 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 08:53 PM
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Hating someone and wanting them literally to DIE are two different things, IMO.
It's not like she wanted him to literally die for no reason. It's not uncommon to want someone dead when you hate them.
Again, there is a difference in wanting someone dead, to acting to cause that person to die, i.e. Hiring a hit man to kill them.
and Sami is the only person who planned on killing nick? Other people had guns and were going to kill him. Is Sonny a terrible person too because he had a gun and wanted to kill him? Is Kate a terrible person?
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 15 2014, 09:11 PM.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:57 PM
And Gabi isn't a terrible person? Nick wasn't a terrible person for decades? Should I list everyone who has done terrible things? No I'm not going to.
I think Gabi is a horrible person. She's a cold blooded killer. What does that have to do with Sami?
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Jun 15 2014, 08:19 PM
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Jun 15 2014, 07:48 PM

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Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.

I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
That's actually exactly what her conversation with Marlena was about; therefore, it's what's being discussed here. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate.
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It's not like she wanted him to literally die for no reason. It's not uncommon to want someone dead when you hate them.
Again, there is a difference in wanting someone dead, to acting to cause that person to die, i.e. Hiring a hit man to kill them.
and Sami is the only person who wanted Nick dead? Other people had guns and were going to kill him. Is Sonny a terrible person too because he had a gun and wanted to kill him?
Um, yes. I thought we were talking about Sami & Marlena?
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Jun 15 2014, 09:11 PM
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I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.

I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
That's actually exactly what her conversation with Marlena was about; therefore, it's what's being discussed here. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate.
I don't mind it being discussed and I know it's about the river incident. That's what I'm saying. 'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true. People act like Sami is the worst person on the show.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 15 2014, 09:17 PM.
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Jun 15 2014, 08:57 PM
And Gabi isn't a terrible person? Nick wasn't a terrible person for decades? Should I list everyone who has done terrible things? No I'm not going to.
I've been watching Days for many years and I've seen lots of really bad people in Salem. But other people being bad doesn't change the fact that Sami is a truly awful human being. Having said that, I'll kind of miss her when she's gone. I enjoy a good bad girl on soaps. OTOH, I'm really looking forward to EJ being gone. That's one character I won't miss in the least. Actually I'd be fine with them getting rid of all the DiMeras.
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Jun 15 2014, 09:13 PM
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I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
That's actually exactly what her conversation with Marlena was about; therefore, it's what's being discussed here. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate.
I don't mind it being discussed. I'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true.
IMO, she does love her children, but she acts irresponsibly and does things to put them in real danger, i.e. Allowing them to live in the DiMera mansion, with two men who are dangerous and immoral.
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