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Friday, June 13th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 12 2014, 11:36 PM (18,691 Views)
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I really don't understand why every time Sami is brought up in conversation people have to mention what a terrible person she is. What does hurting her children have anything to do with her conversation with Marlena and how has she hurt her children in this river incident?
That's actually exactly what her conversation with Marlena was about; therefore, it's what's being discussed here. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate.
I don't mind it being discussed. I'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true. People act like Sami is the worst person on the show.
I think she is. Much like you think Gabi is. :shrug:
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That's actually exactly what her conversation with Marlena was about; therefore, it's what's being discussed here. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate.
I don't mind it being discussed. I'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true.
IMO, she does love her children, but she acts irresponsibly and does things to put them in real danger, i.e. Allowing them to live in the DiMera mansion, with two men who are dangerous and immoral.
While I understand EJ and Stefano have done terrible immoral things what have they done that has affected their children living there?
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That's actually exactly what her conversation with Marlena was about; therefore, it's what's being discussed here. If you don't like the discussion, don't participate.
I don't mind it being discussed. I'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true. People act like Sami is the worst person on the show.
I think she is. Much like you think Gabi is. :shrug:
Well they are both leaving the show. Now it's time for Stefano to leave. Every person we don't like should leave, just kidding :blulaugh:
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I don't mind it being discussed. I'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true. People act like Sami is the worst person on the show.
I think she is. Much like you think Gabi is. :shrug:
Well they are both leaving the show. Now it's time for Stefano to leave. Every person we don't like should leave, just kidding :blulaugh:
Nah. I don't mind disliking characters or characters being bad people. I'm thrilled that Sami is leaving though.
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I think she is. Much like you think Gabi is. :shrug:
Well they are both leaving the show. Now it's time for Stefano to leave. Every person we don't like should leave, just kidding :blulaugh:
Nah. I don't mind disliking characters or characters being bad people. I'm thrilled that Sami is leaving though.
No I'm totally kidding. I don't think they should leave. This show needs villains or it would be boring as hell. I'll have to respectfully disagree. I think Alison Sweeney is an excellent actress. I'm going to miss her and I have a crush on EJ. I love tall men and British accents.
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I don't mind it being discussed. I'm just sick of hearing how Sami is such a terrible person and how she doesn't care about her children. It simply isn't true.
IMO, she does love her children, but she acts irresponsibly and does things to put them in real danger, i.e. Allowing them to live in the DiMera mansion, with two men who are dangerous and immoral.
While I understand EJ and Stefano have done terrible immoral things what have they done that has affected their children living there?
Nothing yet but one could argue, and I will, that every day they live there they are being corrupted morally simply by the influence Elvis and Stefano project. I mean, isn't that what most Elvis fans claim about him? That he's only a bad guy because of Stefano's influence? I'm sure others who pay more attention to the Sami/Elvis story lines can give you other examples.
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IMO, she does love her children, but she acts irresponsibly and does things to put them in real danger, i.e. Allowing them to live in the DiMera mansion, with two men who are dangerous and immoral.
While I understand EJ and Stefano have done terrible immoral things what have they done that has affected their children living there?
Nothing yet but one could argue, and I will, that every day they live there they are being corrupted morally simply by the influence Elvis and Stefano project. I mean, isn't that what most Elvis fans claim about him? That he's only a bad guy because of Stefano's influence? I'm sure others who pay more attention to the Sami/Elvis story lines can give you other examples.
I know this has nothing to do with what you wrote I'm just saying but EJ wants nothing to do with his dad anymore. Therefore I don't think Stefano is an influence on EJ anymore.
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Again, there is a difference in wanting someone dead, to acting to cause that person to die, i.e. Hiring a hit man to kill them.
and Sami is the only person who wanted Nick dead? Other people had guns and were going to kill him. Is Sonny a terrible person too because he had a gun and wanted to kill him?
Um, yes. I thought we were talking about Sami & Marlena?
I thought we were debating whether Sami is a terrible person or not *shrugs*
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While I understand EJ and Stefano have done terrible immoral things what have they done that has affected their children living there?
Nothing yet but one could argue, and I will, that every day they live there they are being corrupted morally simply by the influence Elvis and Stefano project. I mean, isn't that what most Elvis fans claim about him? That he's only a bad guy because of Stefano's influence? I'm sure others who pay more attention to the Sami/Elvis story lines can give you other examples.
I know this has nothing to do with what you wrote I'm just saying but EJ wants nothing to do with his dad anymore. Therefore I don't think Stefano is an influence on EJ anymore.
Yep,that's a whole other debate :blulaugh:
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and Sami is the only person who wanted Nick dead? Other people had guns and were going to kill him. Is Sonny a terrible person too because he had a gun and wanted to kill him?
Um, yes. I thought we were talking about Sami & Marlena?
I thought we were debating whether Sami is a terrible person or not *shrugs*
And if so, what does Sonny and the other gun toting Salemites have to do with that? :shrug:
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Um, yes. I thought we were talking about Sami & Marlena?
I thought we were debating whether Sami is a terrible person or not *shrugs*
And if so, what does Sonny and the other gun toting Salemites have to do with that? :shrug:
My point is Sami is not the only person who tried to kill Nick. You mentioned about her approving of EJ hiring a hitman. Sonny was going to kill him until Will convinced him not to. This part doesn't have to do with Sami and Marlena. It has to do with what we were talking before when you said there is a difference between wanting him dead and literally killing him.
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I thought we were debating whether Sami is a terrible person or not *shrugs*
And if so, what does Sonny and the other gun toting Salemites have to do with that? :shrug:
My point is Sami is not the only person who tried to kill Nick. You mentioned about her approving of EJ hiring a hitman. Sonny was going to kill him until Will convinced him not to. This part doesn't have to do with Sami and Marlena. It has to do with what we were talking before when you said there is a difference between wanting him dead and literally killing him.
Okay, I think I'm done, LOL I think this debate ran off the tracks a while ago, and I'm sure I contributed to that, so I'll bow out now. Thanks for the debate!
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And if so, what does Sonny and the other gun toting Salemites have to do with that? :shrug:
My point is Sami is not the only person who tried to kill Nick. You mentioned about her approving of EJ hiring a hitman. Sonny was going to kill him until Will convinced him not to. This part doesn't have to do with Sami and Marlena. It has to do with what we were talking before when you said there is a difference between wanting him dead and literally killing him.
Okay, I think I'm done, LOL I think this debate ran off the tracks a while ago, and I'm sure I contributed to that, so I'll bow out now. Thanks for the debate!
lol okay bye for now until you feel like debating some more on the messageboards :wave:
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Sami's defensive because she SHOULD be. She knows she has no morals and it bugs her that she'll never be a good person like she wants to be. She's defensive because she knows Marlena is right.
Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.


Marbitch needs to mind her own damn business and STFU. Sami is grown and she is free to live her life the way she wants to. It is not like Marlena really gives a damn about Sami or what happens to her anyway. If she does not like the way Sami lives her life, that is just tough. You can't control your children after they become adults. it is too late for her to straighten Sami out. she should have done so when sami was a troubled teenager acting out. Oh wait, she was too busing chasing after John.

Sami is never going to be good enough for mommy dearest no matter what. She needs to stop harassing Sami with her hypocrisy and focus on her other good children, you know the ones she really cares about and is proud of. Sami does not need her or her stamp of approval.
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Hating someone and wanting them literally to DIE are two different things, IMO.
It's not like she wanted him to literally die for no reason. It's not uncommon to want someone dead when you hate them.
Again, there is a difference in wanting someone dead, to acting to cause that person to die, i.e. Hiring a hit man to kill them.


you mean like shooting an unarmed man in the back at a church inches from your own daughter?
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Whether Sami is bad or not, the conversation didn't put Marlena in a good light. Her character took a hit. She came off as cold, unprofessional and ethically challenged. I agree with what she was trying to say, but for someone who can draw a lesson from her own lived experience she didn't convey her message appropriately.
I disagree completely. All she wanted to hear from Sami was that she felt remorse. And of course Sami over reacted as usual and got defensive. It just highlighted for me how hopelessly pathetic and amoral Sami is. What you saw as coldness from Marlena, I saw as sadness. Sadness at the realization that Sami is doomed to never stop making these horrible decisions that end up hurting so many people, including herself and her children.


Marbitch needs to mind her own damn business and STFU. Sami is grown and she is free to live her life the way she wants to. It is not like Marlena really gives a damn about Sami or what happens to her anyway. If she does not like the way Sami lives her life, that is just tough. You can't control your children after they become adults. it is too late for her to straighten Sami out. she should have done so when sami was a troubled teenager acting out. Oh wait, she was too busing chasing after John.

Sami is never going to be good enough for mommy dearest no matter what. She needs to stop harassing Sami with her hypocrisy and focus on her other good children, you know the ones she really cares about and is proud of. Sami does not need her or her stamp of approval.
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It's not like she wanted him to literally die for no reason. It's not uncommon to want someone dead when you hate them.
Again, there is a difference in wanting someone dead, to acting to cause that person to die, i.e. Hiring a hit man to kill them.


you mean like shooting an unarmed man in the back at a church inches from your own daughter?
I don't understand your comment Marie. Can you please paraphrase? Are you writing to me or Rosebud and whose daughter? With all due respect I honestly don't know what you're talking about
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There is a major difference between a victim deciding not to out the person who hurt them and a cop covering up a relative's crime. Daniel's only crime that's similar to Rafe's is the crime of faking the DNA test. And even despite that, he still has a justifiable reason to be angry with Rafe.
Daniel covered up JJ's drug party with Theresa.Based on Daniel covering for Nicole and JJ there is no question that he would have covered for Melanie if the situation with Rafe and Gabi had been reversed with him and Melanie.He should understand why Rafe would cover for his own sister instead of having her sent to prison.
I'm sure he would have covered for Melanie if the tables were turned. However, his loyalty is with his child, as it should be, and no one wants the cops to cover up a crime where someone they cared about got hurt. No one who's sane, anyway. And here's the thing - you can understand why someone would do something without being okay with it. I understand why Gabi, Sami and Kate just went home after realizing Nick was alive when they dumped him in the river, instead of calling 911 and attempting to get him help. That doesn't mean what they did was right or that they shouldn't have to answer for what they did.
I think Roman,Bo,and Hope have covered up crimes committed by family and/or friends and have not paid for it.During the Stefano "murder" Roman intentionally violated Will's rights so that Will could not be charged with helping EJ escape custody by tampering with his electronic monitor.Sami helped too and there was no mention of her being charged.Rafe helped to cover up Sami shooting EJ in the head while he was unconscious.I don't see how he could then turn in his sister for a lesser crime.
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Daniel covered up JJ's drug party with Theresa.Based on Daniel covering for Nicole and JJ there is no question that he would have covered for Melanie if the situation with Rafe and Gabi had been reversed with him and Melanie.He should understand why Rafe would cover for his own sister instead of having her sent to prison.
I'm sure he would have covered for Melanie if the tables were turned. However, his loyalty is with his child, as it should be, and no one wants the cops to cover up a crime where someone they cared about got hurt. No one who's sane, anyway. And here's the thing - you can understand why someone would do something without being okay with it. I understand why Gabi, Sami and Kate just went home after realizing Nick was alive when they dumped him in the river, instead of calling 911 and attempting to get him help. That doesn't mean what they did was right or that they shouldn't have to answer for what they did.
I think Roman,Bo,and Hope have covered up crimes committed by family and/or friends and have not paid for it.During the Stefano "murder" Roman intentionally violated Will's rights so that Will could not be charged with helping EJ escape custody by tampering with his electronic monitor.Sami helped too and there was no mention of her being charged.Rafe helped to cover up Sami shooting EJ in the head while he was unconscious.I don't see how he could then turn in his sister for a lesser crime.
A lessor crime? I respectfully disagree. How is murdering someone by shooting him three times a lesser crime?
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Blueskies, I get such a kick out of your avatar. It makes me laugh everytime I look at it. It's hilarious and I mean that is the most positive way lol
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You know what is hopelessly pathetic? These sets. It's hard for the characters to be understood and for the actors to project the right feelings when they are seen in the same three places all the time. BB goes to Dabai and Dool goes to HTS. :shrug: :soapbox:
Those sets drive me crazy. People conduct business and deeply personal conversation in public places. And the sets suck! I don't understand how can BB afford all these location shoots but DOOL can't even afford better sets.
I agree that the sets are pretty pathetic. I get so tired of seeing the HTS. People work there, eat there, renew their vows there, conduct business there, have private conversations there, have murders there... the citizens of Salem do everything there. Ridiculous. Is Days that hard up that they can't afford a few other sets? Frankly, I miss the pier!!
I am surprised they haven't set a couch up in HTS yet. Then they could do it all there.
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You know what is hopelessly pathetic? These sets. It's hard for the characters to be understood and for the actors to project the right feelings when they are seen in the same three places all the time. BB goes to Dabai and Dool goes to HTS. :shrug: :soapbox:
Those sets drive me crazy. People conduct business and deeply personal conversation in public places. And the sets suck! I don't understand how can BB afford all these location shoots but DOOL can't even afford better sets.
I agree that the sets are pretty pathetic. I get so tired of seeing the HTS. People work there, eat there, renew their vows there, conduct business there, have private conversations there, have murders there... the citizens of Salem do everything there. Ridiculous. Is Days that hard up that they can't afford a few other sets? Frankly, I miss the pier!!
I am surprised they haven't set a couch up in HTS yet. Then they could do it all there.
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