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Monday, June 16th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 13 2014, 11:56 PM (17,474 Views)
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marie1969
Jun 16 2014, 02:22 PM
I know Brady is exaggerating, it is not totally untrue. Brady was MIA most of the time growing up and hardly mentioned and Jarlena were always going to some adventure either to find out John's true identify or some other reasons. When he came back as a young adult, we were told that he had been in boarding school. So it is not out of the left field IMO
He was gone for a year (we saw him very adorably as a little one at J&M's wedding, during the flower ceremony for all the kiddos), and we knew where he was. He was not MIA before the wedding, and he was not MIA after he came back. And Marlena was never on these adventures, that's just pure... I mean, it's just not true. JOHN was trying to find his freaking identity for the umpteenth time (Ken Corday had started his ridiculous, wildly and probably record-beating for how unpopular it was, campaign to pair John and Hope in any way he could), but Marlena was not with him. She was with the kids (B&B, Sami, Carrie or Eric), or she was working onscreen or offscreen. She met John in Lugano for like two episodes as a surprise, and that was the only time she was on "some adventure to find John's identity". She was in Salem, or in Colorado to tend to her ill mom like... once. Woopie, adventure time.

It IS out of left field as far as actual facts go, because we saw a very happy young Brady who lived happily with Marlena in the penthouse, that John had bought and that they eventually lived in (fulfilling Brady's wishes) as a family.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:15 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

:shithitfan: HOLY CRAP! If Chad knows about EJabby. . . his share could tip the scales! Now THAT could be the best twist ever! I need to bow to the greatness that is this post! :hail:
Not necessarily. Kristen probably has a sizable stake in the company, too, and she'd likely side with Stefano and E.J.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:20 PM
marie1969
Jun 16 2014, 02:22 PM
I know Brady is exaggerating, it is not totally untrue. Brady was MIA most of the time growing up and hardly mentioned and Jarlena were always going to some adventure either to find out John's true identify or some other reasons. When he came back as a young adult, we were told that he had been in boarding school. So it is not out of the left field IMO
He was gone for a year (we saw him very adorably as a little one at J&M's wedding, during the flower ceremony for all the kiddos), and we knew where he was. He was not MIA before the wedding, and he was not MIA after he came back. And Marlena was never on these adventures, that's just pure... I mean, it's just not true. JOHN was trying to find his freaking identity for the umpteenth time (Ken Corday had started his ridiculous, wildly and probably record-beating for how unpopular it was, campaign to pair John and Hope in any way he could), but Marlena was not with him. She was with the kids (B&B, Sami, Carrie or Eric), or she was working onscreen or offscreen. She met John in Lugano for like two episodes as a surprise, and that was the only time she was on "some adventure to find John's identity". She was in Salem, or in Colorado to tend to her ill mom like... once. Woopie, adventure time.

It IS out of left field as far as actual facts go, because we saw a very happy young Brady who lived happily with Marlena in the penthouse, that John had bought and that they eventually lived in (fulfilling Brady's wishes) as a family.
I'm not arguing with this at all, but...SORASing muddies everything, as usual. The writers have to fill those missing years with something, and they're choosing to fill them with tales of neglect. Does that make it right? No, of course not. But I can understand it. :shrug:

If we had seen every single bit of Brady's life unfold on-screen, it'd be a different matter entirely, but we didn't. We never get to see that (except, apparently, with the current crop of kids, who really should have been SORASed long ago but are actually aging at about the pace they should be, presumably because the producers don't want to get rid of the actors who are portraying them).
Edited by Will&Sonny, Jun 16 2014, 05:30 PM.
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Jun 16 2014, 04:39 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 03:51 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 03:47 PM
I was surprised that they had Rafe mention Carrie LOL. I thought they wanted us to forget that Rafe was once in love with Carrie.

I was also confused by Rafe saying she tried to rescue Carrie. From what? I don't remember Carrie needing rescuing or did I miss something?

So Rafe boinked Kate because she is independent and does not need a hero to save her. OK then.
Rafe tried to save Carrie from what? Getting scrapbooks from her loving husband? That was a bullshit line.

And wasn't it KATE that said Rafe SAVED her soul?! Bahahaha! Guess she didn't want to mention that since she had him on the hook.


Just had to add: I hate when the writers throw random shit out there and expect us to swallow it as truth to further what they want to push for the day. Rafe wasn't ever "in" a relationship with Carrie. Did he date her? No. She was married the whole time while they just had a pining thing going on that never amounted to anything. He certainly never talked about rescuing her from her marriage or plight in life. So stop that shit!
You know, I've really enjoyed Rafe in this whole Gabi shot Nick arc. He's been - wait for it - likable. And while I agree that he and Jordan aren't super exciting, you had two decent people getting to know each other and falling in love. Yes, it moved too slow, but there are good people on the canvas. And unlike he-who-was-blessedly-absent-today, Rafe has been self-reflective and humble and not at all callous to his sister's plight. The self-pity today got to me a little, but that felt like it existed to facilitate this out of the blue Kate sex. This is especially true since Rafe has shown zero sexual interest in Kate since he woke up from his coma.

Also, I wonder how Rafe will feel about Kate remarrying the man who tried to have him Theon-Greyjoyed. (GoT reference)

I do hope Jordan dumps him and Rafe has to grovel for a very long time.
You can't find a thread of sense in this hot mess of a storyline. Like I've said, I'm all for Kate getting hers, but where did this come from???

I also think it's important to point out that even though the show needs "good" characters, good and interesting are not mutually exclusive concepts. Jordan may be nice, but she's is mind-numbing.
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concerned
Jun 16 2014, 03:47 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 12:05 PM
EJ "nothing else matters but Samantha's happiness" :facepalm: Dumb Rafe :shame:
Yeah what would have been a great twist is if Abby had of kneed him in his groin at that moment and told him to take care of his own wedding.

I loved that line from ej. Yet another example showing that Ej does not give a damn about Abigail. He only cares about Sami and their family. Me think her feelings were a little hurt when ej said that LOL.
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Jun 16 2014, 03:50 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 03:47 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 12:05 PM
EJ "nothing else matters but Samantha's happiness" :facepalm: Dumb Rafe :shame:
Yeah what would have been a great twist is if Abby had of kneed him in his groin at that moment and told him to take care of his own wedding.
I so wanted her to do that. I like EJabby but I'm getting sick of EJ's treatment of her. I hope she gives him hell on Wednesday.


If you act like a cheap whore, of course a man is going to treat you as such. Abigail gave up her dignity for a quick lay and now she is surprised that Ej does not treat her with respect. If you want a man to respect you, you respect yourself first and foremost.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:15 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

:shithitfan: HOLY CRAP! If Chad knows about EJabby. . . his share could tip the scales! Now THAT could be the best twist ever! I need to bow to the greatness that is this post! :hail:
Can we add Lucas to this dream scenario? In their new friendship and joining forces to bring down the DiMera's, Kate finally sees Sami as THE woman for her precious Lucas and gives her blessings. Sami and Lucas have been seeing each other on the side ever since. . :$

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Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

When Sami was leaving a message for someone in today's episode, it crossed my mind she might be scheming with Chad. Chad would be mighty upset with EJ for betraying him like that. And he could be really angry with Abigail for breaking up with him in the most cruel way when he was about to go to a risky operation because he lied to someone else, then she goes and shaboinks his brother.
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Carly
Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

Interesting idea. The question is, are the writers really that smart?
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Jun 16 2014, 03:51 PM
marie1969
Jun 16 2014, 03:47 PM
I was surprised that they had Rafe mention Carrie LOL. I thought they wanted us to forget that Rafe was once in love with Carrie.

I was also confused by Rafe saying she tried to rescue Carrie. From what? I don't remember Carrie needing rescuing or did I miss something?

So Rafe boinked Kate because she is independent and does not need a hero to save her. OK then.
Rafe tried to save Carrie from what? Getting scrapbooks from her loving husband? That was a bullshit line.

And wasn't it KATE that said Rafe SAVED her soul?! Bahahaha! Guess she didn't want to mention that since she had him on the hook.


Just had to add: I hate when the writers throw random shit out there and expect us to swallow it as truth to further what they want to push for the day. Rafe wasn't ever "in" a relationship with Carrie. Did he date her? No. She was married the whole time while they just had a pining thing going on that never amounted to anything. He certainly never talked about rescuing her from her marriage or plight in life. So stop that shit!


I agree with your post mostly except when it comes to Carrie. Cafe were in love. Rafe told her he was in love with her and they decided that she would leave her husband to be with him. She would have left Austin if she did not turn out to be pregnant.

Unless Rafe is a liar, it was not some meaningless thing. you don't profess your love to someone and ask them to leave their loving husband unless you are truly committed. If Cafe was nothing, then Rafe was a jackass because he was going to let break her marriage over nothing.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:29 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:20 PM
marie1969
Jun 16 2014, 02:22 PM
I know Brady is exaggerating, it is not totally untrue. Brady was MIA most of the time growing up and hardly mentioned and Jarlena were always going to some adventure either to find out John's true identify or some other reasons. When he came back as a young adult, we were told that he had been in boarding school. So it is not out of the left field IMO
He was gone for a year (we saw him very adorably as a little one at J&M's wedding, during the flower ceremony for all the kiddos), and we knew where he was. He was not MIA before the wedding, and he was not MIA after he came back. And Marlena was never on these adventures, that's just pure... I mean, it's just not true. JOHN was trying to find his freaking identity for the umpteenth time (Ken Corday had started his ridiculous, wildly and probably record-beating for how unpopular it was, campaign to pair John and Hope in any way he could), but Marlena was not with him. She was with the kids (B&B, Sami, Carrie or Eric), or she was working onscreen or offscreen. She met John in Lugano for like two episodes as a surprise, and that was the only time she was on "some adventure to find John's identity". She was in Salem, or in Colorado to tend to her ill mom like... once. Woopie, adventure time.

It IS out of left field as far as actual facts go, because we saw a very happy young Brady who lived happily with Marlena in the penthouse, that John had bought and that they eventually lived in (fulfilling Brady's wishes) as a family.
I'm not arguing with this at all, but...SORASing muddies everything, as usual. The writers have to fill those missing years with something, and they're choosing to fill them with tales of neglect. Does that make it right? No, of course not. But I can understand it. :shrug:

If we had seen every single bit of Brady's life unfold on-screen, it'd be a different matter entirely, but we didn't. We never get to see that (except, apparently, with the current crop of kids, who really should have been SORASed long ago but are actually aging at about the pace they should be, presumably because the producers don't want to get rid of the actors who are portraying them).
I agree, but I'm just saying... he was on when he was "on the canvas". He wasn't like Pocket or something. Or like JJ who was gone for eons. But yeah SORAS effs everything up.

My problem is that what they're filling with makes no sense and is the opposite of what we did see. Am I supposed to believe that when Brady turned 9 he was suddenly neglected by the same parents who worshiped and would die for him in an instant, as we saw him be from like ages 0-8? It's why I had an issue in 2000 in the beginning, even before Brady became violent and abusive. It was completely opposite from anything we saw happen onscreen. We saw J&M be loving parents. Marlena was kidnapped - not her fault. John went to go save her - was he not supposed to? They were there when madmen weren't fucking up their lives. They lived with Caroline for a short bit in like 1996, because Stefano had no interest in B&B (which was weird), to keep them safe from harm as they knew he was coming from Marlena. But otherwise, they were always with a parent, and pretty much always together and cared for by said parents. They had a nanny during the daytime, lots of kids do.
Edited by The Room Stops, Jun 16 2014, 05:48 PM.
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Long Live Stefano (RIP JOE)

I had a blank stare at this whole episode :mellow:
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marie1969
Jun 16 2014, 05:30 PM
If you act like a cheap whore, of course a man is going to treat you as such. Abigail gave up her dignity for a quick lay and now she is surprised that Ej does not treat her with respect. If you want a man to respect you, you respect yourself first and foremost.

I realize you're speaking about the fictional character of Abby so of course you can hurl insults at the fictional character if you want to. I cannot take offense at that. Abby isn't a real person.

But ... I just disagree with the general concept that having a quick lay with someone makes a woman a whore. Because if it does, then I'd be a whore, and I'm not.

Where I come from, a woman having enjoyable sex -- even if it's a "quick lay" with someone -- is considered fun and healthy -- and not considered to be disrespecting herself.
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Jun 16 2014, 04:17 PM
Was I the only who thought the whole Kate saving Rafe from Lucas' cruelty was a major WTF! I thought Lucas was being supportive. He didn't even come off as an insensitive asshole. Kate coming out of nowhere and pretending to be sympathetic was kinda weak, IMO.

This thing with Rafe actually makes me dislike Kate even more. It's just low. First of all, she knows Rafe is in love with another woman and he's in a bad place right now. If she cares about him, she shouldn't take advantage of him like that. I guess, Rafe didn't save her soul after all.
Come on, do you really think Rafe is some weak impressionable little boy? he is a grown man and he knows he is in a committed relationship with Jordan. Jafe did not have a fight. Jordan did not do anything to warrant what he did. I am not giving him a pass on this.

What Kate did is in character though. Kate is a vulture and she goes after what she wants and she does not care about the casualties. I don't like Kate, but I fully expected her seize the opportunity to show Jordan she still got IT. because you know this is not about Rafe anymore. This is about winning for Kate. jordan is lucky she did not give her a poisoned apple to get rid of the competition.
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Pulls them off successfully?
Thank you its good to know there is someone else in my parallel universe.
Yes, but that doesn't negate that she was a fantastic schemer and she's now apparently got Kate in her court. Those two unified would and should scare the crap out of anyone including the Dimera Men.
Remind me of her fantastic schemes.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:58 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:17 PM
Was I the only who thought the whole Kate saving Rafe from Lucas' cruelty was a major WTF! I thought Lucas was being supportive. He didn't even come off as an insensitive asshole. Kate coming out of nowhere and pretending to be sympathetic was kinda weak, IMO.

This thing with Rafe actually makes me dislike Kate even more. It's just low. First of all, she knows Rafe is in love with another woman and he's in a bad place right now. If she cares about him, she shouldn't take advantage of him like that. I guess, Rafe didn't save her soul after all.
Come on, do you really think Rafe is some weak impressionable little boy? he is a grown man and he knows he is in a committed relationship with Jordan. Jafe did not have a fight. Jordan did not do anything to warrant what he did. I am not giving him a pass on this.

What Kate did is in character though. Kate is a vulture and she goes after what she wants and she does not care about the casualties. I don't like Kate, but I fully expected her seize the opportunity to show Jordan she still got IT. because you know this is not about Rafe anymore. This is about winning for Kate. jordan is lucky she did not give her a poisoned apple to get rid of the competition.
You don't have to be young and impressionable to be in a vulnerable state. Rafe is just dealing with the guilt over his little sister's prison sentence. He's blaming himself and before that he had to deal with the death of his other sister. I think he's emotionally in a very vulnerable state and when people are in that state, they do things they don't usually do. A friend would not take advantage of someone in that state.
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Jun 16 2014, 01:43 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 01:26 PM
I still do not think that Sami Brady is smart enough to pull off this deception: Knowing what EJ did and plotting her revenge. If it happens that way, then I will be shocked.
Why not? Sami was an expert schemer. She's been scheming since she was a teenager. She stood toe to toe to Salem's villains when she was younger and had much less resources and connections. She can do it. Old Samantha Gene Brady can pull of any scheme. #TeamSami


Plus she's getting help from Kate, who has far more finesse than Sami. It's not like Sami is doing this alone.

The only thing that's hard to believe is that if Sami found out about the affair- either this version or old school Sami- she would've ripped EJ a new one. This must be where Kate comes in- perhaps she informed Sami of the affair and/or advised Sami to play it cool. This is probably the only way I can buy Sami pulling this off.
Edited by Serenity 808, Jun 16 2014, 06:04 PM.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

I think you'll find being married to someone isn't quite enough to allow you to take over a company.
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Jun 16 2014, 01:26 PM
I still do not think that Sami Brady is smart enough to pull off this deception: Knowing what EJ did and plotting her revenge. If it happens that way, then I will be shocked.
Why not? Sami was an expert schemer. She's been scheming since she was a teenager. She stood toe to toe to Salem's villains when she was younger and had much less resources and connections. She can do it. Old Samantha Gene Brady can pull of any scheme. #TeamSami
Pulls them off successfully?
It's far too early to assume that Sami is going to pull off this scheme (if she is, in fact, scheming) successfully. But yes, she is certainly capable of pulling off schemes for a while, even if they ultimately end up backfiring on her.
A twist could be that for once one of her schemes actually succeeds? :ermm: ROFL!
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Jun 16 2014, 04:33 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 11:41 AM
Since when has Abby been a wedding planner or did any kind of event planning.
She organised the t-shirts for the marathon thing.
Yeah, she did a great job moving those boxes into that storage closet right before EJ bent her over on one. Good thing they had all those shirts to wipe up with afterward.
Probably why EJ is so set on letting Abby take over the planning for the wedding. :D

If you see the scenes, Ej was not set on letting Abby take over the wedding. He was totally against it until sami started getting suspicious. Like Ej said: "nothing else matters but Samantha's happiness" LOL.
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Jun 16 2014, 01:26 PM
I still do not think that Sami Brady is smart enough to pull off this deception: Knowing what EJ did and plotting her revenge. If it happens that way, then I will be shocked.
Why not? Sami was an expert schemer. She's been scheming since she was a teenager. She stood toe to toe to Salem's villains when she was younger and had much less resources and connections. She can do it. Old Samantha Gene Brady can pull of any scheme. #TeamSami
Pulls them off successfully?
Thank you its good to know there is someone else in my parallel universe.

To be fair, nobody pulls off any scheme successfully in Salem except for Stefano lol. But love her or hate her, she did give a lot of people a good run for their money back in the day. that includes some of Salem's notorious baddies.
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It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

:shithitfan: HOLY CRAP! If Chad knows about EJabby. . . his share could tip the scales! Now THAT could be the best twist ever! I need to bow to the greatness that is this post! :hail:
Not necessarily. Kristen probably has a sizable stake in the company, too, and she'd likely side with Stefano and E.J.
Yep, but she's wanted for a crime that Daniel and Eric can now PROVE - so she might be laying low because if she pops up her head she'll be arrested won't she? Of course I don't think even Nicole knows Eric HAS the proof, only that he knows. So maybe that'll be why Kristen
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