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Monday, June 16th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 13 2014, 11:56 PM (17,473 Views)
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kkratz57
Jun 16 2014, 05:39 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:15 PM
Carly
Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

:shithitfan: HOLY CRAP! If Chad knows about EJabby. . . his share could tip the scales! Now THAT could be the best twist ever! I need to bow to the greatness that is this post! :hail:
Can we add Lucas to this dream scenario? In their new friendship and joining forces to bring down the DiMera's, Kate finally sees Sami as THE woman for her precious Lucas and gives her blessings. Sami and Lucas have been seeing each other on the side ever since. . :$

As a die hard 100 percent Lumi, THAT is a given . . . always! It would be epic if Lucas knows, but my gut tells me he doesn't and that makes me sad. I think if only EJ (JS) was leaving, then a Lumi reconciliation would happen, but since Sami (AS) is also leaving. . .
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Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

This is quite awesome and plausible! Chad has always been close to Kate, even without a biological connection - and especially since Kate and Chad's mom haaaated each other. Plus, how fun would it be for Sami and Kate to team up just before AS takes Sami off into the sunset? They're great frienemies for sure.

I loved the exchange between Kate and Sami, where Kate talks about knowing how Sami can make her son miserable and Sami shoots back, Which one? AS and LK are magic on screen together.

Paige makes me angry. Like, seriously wanting to throw stuff at the TV angry. From telling Mary Beth that she didn't tell her mom JJ's last name (because in the booming metropolis of Salem, there are so many JJs) to not dropping the shoulder bag when JJ was putting her necklace on, I wanted to see a piano or something drop on her. I don't know what it is about her, but she makes me rage.
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I don't really get why the show keeps falling back on these ONS/cheating stories, but at least this one makes more sense than the last one I guess. I don't know or care enough about Jordan to know what an in character response from her would be like, so I really couldn't care less how this story resolves (if it does). Rafe's reason/excuse isn't great, but it's at least better than the last few people have had, lol.

Meanwhile, Kate's taste in men continues to get worse and worse. I guess it's in character at this point, but the Kate I enjoyed wouldn't have been caught dead with Rafe (or Roman...or John). She needs rich old guys or young hot guys. Blue collar men need not apply.
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Jordan and Rafe is a relationship I do care about. I think Jordan and Rafe make a cute couple and are a match made in heaven. I also care about the relationship between Eric and Nicole but that's a whole other storyline
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 17 2014, 02:51 AM.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:02 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:11 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:29 PM

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Thank you its good to know there is someone else in my parallel universe.
Yes, but that doesn't negate that she was a fantastic schemer and she's now apparently got Kate in her court. Those two unified would and should scare the crap out of anyone including the Dimera Men.
Remind me of her fantastic schemes.
For real? Everything before the introduction of Love Interloper EJ and Hero Rafe pretty much was one scheme after another involving Sami. They were detailed, elaborate and usually fell apart at the end due to someone blabbing or a loose end she forgot to tie up.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:15 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:29 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 01:43 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 01:26 PM
I still do not think that Sami Brady is smart enough to pull off this deception: Knowing what EJ did and plotting her revenge. If it happens that way, then I will be shocked.
Why not? Sami was an expert schemer. She's been scheming since she was a teenager. She stood toe to toe to Salem's villains when she was younger and had much less resources and connections. She can do it. Old Samantha Gene Brady can pull of any scheme. #TeamSami
Pulls them off successfully?
It's far too early to assume that Sami is going to pull off this scheme (if she is, in fact, scheming) successfully. But yes, she is certainly capable of pulling off schemes for a while, even if they ultimately end up backfiring on her.
I never argued that she isn't capable of pulling off schemes that she devises in that twisted noggin of hers. But they are never successful. They always end up biting her in the butt. Thankfully.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:03 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:58 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:17 PM
Was I the only who thought the whole Kate saving Rafe from Lucas' cruelty was a major WTF! I thought Lucas was being supportive. He didn't even come off as an insensitive asshole. Kate coming out of nowhere and pretending to be sympathetic was kinda weak, IMO.

This thing with Rafe actually makes me dislike Kate even more. It's just low. First of all, she knows Rafe is in love with another woman and he's in a bad place right now. If she cares about him, she shouldn't take advantage of him like that. I guess, Rafe didn't save her soul after all.
Come on, do you really think Rafe is some weak impressionable little boy? he is a grown man and he knows he is in a committed relationship with Jordan. Jafe did not have a fight. Jordan did not do anything to warrant what he did. I am not giving him a pass on this.

What Kate did is in character though. Kate is a vulture and she goes after what she wants and she does not care about the casualties. I don't like Kate, but I fully expected her seize the opportunity to show Jordan she still got IT. because you know this is not about Rafe anymore. This is about winning for Kate. jordan is lucky she did not give her a poisoned apple to get rid of the competition.
You don't have to be young and impressionable to be in a vulnerable state. Rafe is just dealing with the guilt over his little sister's prison sentence. He's blaming himself and before that he had to deal with the death of his other sister. I think he's emotionally in a very vulnerable state and when people are in that state, they do things they don't usually do. A friend would not take advantage of someone in that state.
Rafe being vulnerable and human is quite attractive on him! When he first came to Salem, he was the do-no-wrong white knight. His brooding over not being able to protect both of his sisters and feeling like he let the family down isn't feeling overplayed. But Kate is totally swooping in like a vulture. But why? Just because she can and hates Jordan? She really wants to risk Stefano's vengeance again? I thought she was over Rafe? It seems weird that in the first half of the episode she's getting Sami riled up about a double DiMera wedding, and in the second half she's in bed with Rafe.
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Jun 16 2014, 05:29 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:20 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 02:22 PM
I know Brady is exaggerating, it is not totally untrue. Brady was MIA most of the time growing up and hardly mentioned and Jarlena were always going to some adventure either to find out John's true identify or some other reasons. When he came back as a young adult, we were told that he had been in boarding school. So it is not out of the left field IMO
He was gone for a year (we saw him very adorably as a little one at J&M's wedding, during the flower ceremony for all the kiddos), and we knew where he was. He was not MIA before the wedding, and he was not MIA after he came back. And Marlena was never on these adventures, that's just pure... I mean, it's just not true. JOHN was trying to find his freaking identity for the umpteenth time (Ken Corday had started his ridiculous, wildly and probably record-beating for how unpopular it was, campaign to pair John and Hope in any way he could), but Marlena was not with him. She was with the kids (B&B, Sami, Carrie or Eric), or she was working onscreen or offscreen. She met John in Lugano for like two episodes as a surprise, and that was the only time she was on "some adventure to find John's identity". She was in Salem, or in Colorado to tend to her ill mom like... once. Woopie, adventure time.

It IS out of left field as far as actual facts go, because we saw a very happy young Brady who lived happily with Marlena in the penthouse, that John had bought and that they eventually lived in (fulfilling Brady's wishes) as a family.
I'm not arguing with this at all, but...SORASing muddies everything, as usual. The writers have to fill those missing years with something, and they're choosing to fill them with tales of neglect. Does that make it right? No, of course not. But I can understand it. :shrug:

If we had seen every single bit of Brady's life unfold on-screen, it'd be a different matter entirely, but we didn't. We never get to see that (except, apparently, with the current crop of kids, who really should have been SORASed long ago but are actually aging at about the pace they should be, presumably because the producers don't want to get rid of the actors who are portraying them).
We didn't see those missing years, but I can argue that John and Marlena didn't see them either. So if the writers are going to soras Brady and Belle ten years over night then they best ignore that time and pretend it never happened. Just stay in the present and stay out of those missing years that nobody knows a thing about. Making up shit isn't going to do anyone any favors, especially not Brady who just looks like a lunatic when he's spewing that non-existent crap.
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I really haven't agreed with any of the posters that have been predicting Sami knows about ejabby and is plotting revenge until today. So I apologize. Sooo many signs today that Sami knows and is in cahoots with Kate. I mean the fights between Kate and Sami just seem so fake. Sami seriously said Kate is trying to ruin her life. That's a little much. Then there is the emphasis on getting married before the big dimera board meeting. Also Sami told EJ something along the lines of she'll make the day perfect and he'll see. Seemed like some major foreshadowing.

As for Rafe jumping into bed with Kate...ridiculous. I'm so tired of days putting characters into these situations that make no sense just for shock value. They are destroying every character I ever cared about. I used to hardcore root for Nicole and now I'm even finding that hard. It's sad really.
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Pulls them off successfully?
It's far too early to assume that Sami is going to pull off this scheme (if she is, in fact, scheming) successfully. But yes, she is certainly capable of pulling off schemes for a while, even if they ultimately end up backfiring on her.
I never argued that she isn't capable of pulling off schemes that she devises in that twisted noggin of hers. But they are never successful. They always end up biting her in the butt. Thankfully.
Like the fuckery that was her "Stan" scheme!
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Oh and I think Sami was calling Kate to let her know that she set a wedding date.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:02 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:11 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:38 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:29 PM

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Thank you its good to know there is someone else in my parallel universe.
Yes, but that doesn't negate that she was a fantastic schemer and she's now apparently got Kate in her court. Those two unified would and should scare the crap out of anyone including the Dimera Men.
Remind me of her fantastic schemes.
LOL! I was wondering the same thing. Nothing fantastic about her pathetic desperate schemes. Which always fail in the end.
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10 bucks says that the board meeting happens in the infamous blue/gray room or the park and the gala takes place at the HTS.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:36 PM
Oh and I think Sami was calling Kate to let her know that she set a wedding date.
Or Chad.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:40 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 06:36 PM
Oh and I think Sami was calling Kate to let her know that she set a wedding date.
Or Chad.
Or.....Stefano.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:30 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:17 PM
Was I the only who thought the whole Kate saving Rafe from Lucas' cruelty was a major WTF! I thought Lucas was being supportive. He didn't even come off as an insensitive asshole. Kate coming out of nowhere and pretending to be sympathetic was kinda weak, IMO.

This thing with Rafe actually makes me dislike Kate even more. It's just low. First of all, she knows Rafe is in love with another woman and he's in a bad place right now. If she cares about him, she shouldn't take advantage of him like that. I guess, Rafe didn't save her soul after all.
Come on, do you really think Rafe is some weak impressionable little boy? he is a grown man and he knows he is in a committed relationship with Jordan. Jafe did not have a fight. Jordan did not do anything to warrant what he did. I am not giving him a pass on this.

What Kate did is in character though. Kate is a vulture and she goes after what she wants and she does not care about the casualties. I don't like Kate, but I fully expected her seize the opportunity to show Jordan she still got IT. because you know this is not about Rafe anymore. This is about winning for Kate. jordan is lucky she did not give her a poisoned apple to get rid of the competition.
You don't have to be young and impressionable to be in a vulnerable state. Rafe is just dealing with the guilt over his little sister's prison sentence. He's blaming himself and before that he had to deal with the death of his other sister. I think he's emotionally in a very vulnerable state and when people are in that state, they do things they don't usually do. A friend would not take advantage of someone in that state.
Rafe being vulnerable and human is quite attractive on him! When he first came to Salem, he was the do-no-wrong white knight. His brooding over not being able to protect both of his sisters and feeling like he let the family down isn't feeling overplayed. But Kate is totally swooping in like a vulture. But why? Just because she can and hates Jordan? She really wants to risk Stefano's vengeance again? I thought she was over Rafe? It seems weird that in the first half of the episode she's getting Sami riled up about a double DiMera wedding, and in the second half she's in bed with Rafe.
Kate was definitely the vulture swooping in. As to why? I think her hatred of Jordan played into it for sure. This was Kate's chance to win up on her in a way that would crush Jordan. I think Kate's whole stance on protecting Rafe as a friend has always been a line of defense for covering up her true motives. If she's sooo concerned about Rafe being placed in danger and hurt why sleep with him and tweak Stefano's anger once more? Kate's put Rafe in harm's way before and had no qualms about subjecting him to consequences again today. It's all about winning. Did you see her perk up as soon as Rafe mentioned Jordan while in his emotional state? She knew she had the perfect opportunity to get some info out of him on the sly.

I do think Rafe isn't thinking clearly because he has been drinking and is emotionally raw. He said he feels as though he's no good to anyone. He fails the women he gets close to. Kate offers him an escape without strings. I don't excuse him though because he has to be aware on some level that this is a selfish act and cruel to Jordan. She may not have shared everything with him, but he's witnessed the huge strides on her part. He shouldn't get a pass for slamming her this way. I also like seeing Rafe vulnerable and going through emotional turmoil. But this path of sleeping with Kate was not only stupid but damaging. I think Rafe spiraling in another way could have been a lot more gripping. Shame the writers couldn't give him something with real depth to it.
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I know a lot of people are very loyal to 'supercouples' and they believe they can do no wrong, but you cannot deny their lives were full upheaval. We also know that a healthy and stable early child development is a major determinant of health. And you cannot have a healthy childhood if one of your parent is missing, then comes back from the dead, then disappears again. I think all of the children of supercouples had a messed up childhood. Some of them will be affected and others can cope with it. I don't mind if they explored those issues, but I don't think the writers have any inclination or the talents to explore the actual issues.
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Jun 16 2014, 06:57 PM
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You don't have to be young and impressionable to be in a vulnerable state. Rafe is just dealing with the guilt over his little sister's prison sentence. He's blaming himself and before that he had to deal with the death of his other sister. I think he's emotionally in a very vulnerable state and when people are in that state, they do things they don't usually do. A friend would not take advantage of someone in that state.
Rafe being vulnerable and human is quite attractive on him! When he first came to Salem, he was the do-no-wrong white knight. His brooding over not being able to protect both of his sisters and feeling like he let the family down isn't feeling overplayed. But Kate is totally swooping in like a vulture. But why? Just because she can and hates Jordan? She really wants to risk Stefano's vengeance again? I thought she was over Rafe? It seems weird that in the first half of the episode she's getting Sami riled up about a double DiMera wedding, and in the second half she's in bed with Rafe.
Kate was definitely the vulture swooping in. As to why? I think her hatred of Jordan played into it for sure. This was Kate's chance to win up on her in a way that would crush Jordan. I think Kate's whole stance on protecting Rafe as a friend has always been a line of defense for covering up her true motives. If she's sooo concerned about Rafe being placed in danger and hurt why sleep with him and tweak Stefano's anger once more? Kate's put Rafe in harm's way before and had no qualms about subjecting him to consequences again today. It's all about winning. Did you see her perk up as soon as Rafe mentioned Jordan while in his emotional state? She knew she had the perfect opportunity to get some info out of him on the sly.

I do think Rafe isn't thinking clearly because he has been drinking and is emotionally raw. He said he feels as though he's no good to anyone. He fails the women he gets close to. Kate offers him an escape without strings. I don't excuse him though because he has to be aware on some level that this is a selfish act and cruel to Jordan. She may not have shared everything with him, but he's witnessed the huge strides on her part. He shouldn't get a pass for slamming her this way. I also like seeing Rafe vulnerable and going through emotional turmoil. But this path of sleeping with Kate was not only stupid but damaging. I think Rafe spiraling in another way could have been a lot more gripping. Shame the writers couldn't give him something with real depth to it.
Rafe is definitely in the wrong here, but he's got good old fashioned mitigating circumstances. He's emotionally shattered, depressed and drunk...and a stone cold sober Kate swooped in knowing full well Rafe's in a committed relationship. I'll also add that brain injured people lose their impulse control and should not drink in the first place (and if Jordan the PT recognizes this, I will be very happy with the writers.)

It's not that I don't hate this plot development (couldn't Rafe have kissed her and then run away?) but I do get that Rafe is in a bad place and Kate took advantage. It was a shitty thing to do, since Jordan never did anything to her and Kate's jealousy is unbecoming.

And Jordan has every right to dump Rafe on his ass.
Edited by Honeybees, Jun 16 2014, 07:41 PM.
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Pulls them off successfully?
It's far too early to assume that Sami is going to pull off this scheme (if she is, in fact, scheming) successfully. But yes, she is certainly capable of pulling off schemes for a while, even if they ultimately end up backfiring on her.
I never argued that she isn't capable of pulling off schemes that she devises in that twisted noggin of hers. But they are never successful. They always end up biting her in the butt. Thankfully.
Correction They used to always end up with them biting her in the butt. Since the world of Salem changed to revolve around Sami there's usually no consequences.

Her schemes now whilst not successful IMO (it took Gabi to finally off Nick) usually allow her to continue to skate on without any repercussions.
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You don't have to be young and impressionable to be in a vulnerable state. Rafe is just dealing with the guilt over his little sister's prison sentence. He's blaming himself and before that he had to deal with the death of his other sister. I think he's emotionally in a very vulnerable state and when people are in that state, they do things they don't usually do. A friend would not take advantage of someone in that state.
Rafe being vulnerable and human is quite attractive on him! When he first came to Salem, he was the do-no-wrong white knight. His brooding over not being able to protect both of his sisters and feeling like he let the family down isn't feeling overplayed. But Kate is totally swooping in like a vulture. But why? Just because she can and hates Jordan? She really wants to risk Stefano's vengeance again? I thought she was over Rafe? It seems weird that in the first half of the episode she's getting Sami riled up about a double DiMera wedding, and in the second half she's in bed with Rafe.
Kate was definitely the vulture swooping in. As to why? I think her hatred of Jordan played into it for sure. This was Kate's chance to win up on her in a way that would crush Jordan. I think Kate's whole stance on protecting Rafe as a friend has always been a line of defense for covering up her true motives. If she's sooo concerned about Rafe being placed in danger and hurt why sleep with him and tweak Stefano's anger once more? Kate's put Rafe in harm's way before and had no qualms about subjecting him to consequences again today. It's all about winning. Did you see her perk up as soon as Rafe mentioned Jordan while in his emotional state? She knew she had the perfect opportunity to get some info out of him on the sly.

I do think Rafe isn't thinking clearly because he has been drinking and is emotionally raw. He said he feels as though he's no good to anyone. He fails the women he gets close to. Kate offers him an escape without strings. I don't excuse him though because he has to be aware on some level that this is a selfish act and cruel to Jordan. She may not have shared everything with him, but he's witnessed the huge strides on her part. He shouldn't get a pass for slamming her this way. I also like seeing Rafe vulnerable and going through emotional turmoil. But this path of sleeping with Kate was not only stupid but damaging. I think Rafe spiraling in another way could have been a lot more gripping. Shame the writers couldn't give him something with real depth to it.
it seems to me that he was sloshed and she took advantage of the fact he was sloshed, anymore sloshed and he would be blubbering. If the roles were reversed and Kate was the drunk one, it would be called date rape...just saying.

Love the way Abby smacked EJ on his chest, I'm waiting for her to give it to him some more.
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