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Monday, June 16th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 13 2014, 11:56 PM (17,471 Views)
Rosebud
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Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 07:05 PM
I know a lot of people are very loyal to 'supercouples' and they believe they can do no wrong, but you cannot deny their lives were full upheaval. We also know that a healthy and stable early child development is a major determinant of health. And you cannot have a healthy childhood if one of your parent is missing, then comes back from the dead, then disappears again. I think all of the children of supercouples had a messed up childhood. Some of them will be affected and others can cope with it. I don't mind if they explored those issues, but I don't think the writers have any inclination or the talents to explore the actual issues.
Doing no wrong isn't even the issue. Or being a child of a SUPERCOUPLE. It's making up false history and on a continuing drama that's not appreciated by most viewers who invested their time and emotions into that history. Just as I'm sure fans of any couple or character wouldn't appreciate that.
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Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 08:20 PM
lysie
Jun 16 2014, 08:10 PM
Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 08:06 PM
lysie
Jun 16 2014, 07:56 PM

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I was talking in a general terms. And I don't think anyone saw Theresa growing up on screen. Also, there are missing years in every supercouple's children's lives (thanks to SORASing). Not to mention, my comment doesn't say anything about parents not being loving parents when they're with their children. I was just talking about how a parent's disappearance can have a long term impact on a child. Your comment came off (at least to me) as dismissive.
LOL. Your comment came of as dismissive to me. But I didn't say any of those things you're saying either. Theresa's childhood was mostly offscreen, but a lot of what she does say is hard to reconcile with the little bit we did know. Not unlike most of the supercouple children who grew up offscreen. It's like this is the only story they know how to do for these kids, and it just doesn't match.
I wasn't trying to be dismissive, I just like stories that explore human emotions. I think Theresa is a poorly drawn character but she can have genuine insecurities developed as a result of her absentee dad. It doesn't matter to a child whether their father is saving the world or doing something trivial. What matters is that their dad is not around when they need him. I would've liked to know what motivates Theresa or Brady. I think Brady has more of a legitimate reason to be angry with John than griping about his childhood, but can still be affected by his dad's absence.
But that isn't how they're writing it. Which is why people have an issue with it. John wasn't an absent father. Everything we saw onscreen for years told us so. So they're rewriting it, and rewrites rarely, very rarely, work.

Brady can have issues with his dad for other reasons (his despicable actions last year for instance), but they're focusing, without exploring (a terrible combination that DAYS has perfected in recent decades), on things that didn't even happen.
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PALMommy
Jun 16 2014, 06:27 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 06:02 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 05:11 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 04:38 PM

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Yes, but that doesn't negate that she was a fantastic schemer and she's now apparently got Kate in her court. Those two unified would and should scare the crap out of anyone including the Dimera Men.
Remind me of her fantastic schemes.
For real? Everything before the introduction of Love Interloper EJ and Hero Rafe pretty much was one scheme after another involving Sami. They were detailed, elaborate and usually fell apart at the end due to someone blabbing or a loose end she forgot to tie up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmASWCIfkw


mmmmmmm the ones i remember were pretty half assed and desperate and thought out with all the smarts of a four year old.
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nananana7
Jun 16 2014, 12:44 PM
Matt
Jun 16 2014, 12:36 PM
it's mid-June & the Salem kids are just now taking finals. We know it didn't even snow, so no snow day delay. lol

I live in northern USA. School here starts in September and ends mid-June.

Yep. Days is right on track with this. Around here, kids get out around the 20th of June and start the day after Labor day.
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The Room Stops
Jun 16 2014, 08:25 PM
lysie
Jun 16 2014, 07:42 PM
Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 07:05 PM
I know a lot of people are very loyal to 'supercouples' and they believe they can do no wrong, but you cannot deny their lives were full upheaval. We also know that a healthy and stable early child development is a major determinant of health. And you cannot have a healthy childhood if one of your parent is missing, then comes back from the dead, then disappears again. I think all of the children of supercouples had a messed up childhood. Some of them will be affected and others can cope with it. I don't mind if they explored those issues, but I don't think the writers have any inclination or the talents to explore the actual issues.
Protection of the super couples is irrelevant. People are talking about what actually aired versus what didn't.
And what logically makes sense based on everything we did see.

All I'm sort of asking, saying, suggesting, whatever you wanna call it, is... are we really to believe that even though John and Marlena were loving and attentive as parents (together and not together, they always co-parented Belle and Brady, at Marlena's insistence), that once Brady went from age 8ish (which I believe the little guys who played him were when J&M got married) to the day after J&M got married, they became unloving, unwilling, cold and distant parents? Because that's kind of what the show is suggesting with Brady's attitude. That they weren't there. John did look for his real identity, much of that happened in Salem (unless you wanna call a trip to the DiMera mansion 10 mins away from the Penthouse an 'adventure'). And Marlena worked, and we saw her work, this does not make her a bad mother either. And Belle was in Salem, and based on what she's said, she didn't have this experience. Is the show going to now suggest not only did they change overnight, but they didn't lovingly parent one child while doing so for the other?

It's awful, unlogical, inconsistent and downright stupid writing. And it's lazy as hell. I'm so sick of kids spewing out crap and the parent just stands there and takes it. If I spoke these lies to my mother, she would have cut me off before I could say "Disinherited".
It would make more sense if Brady blamed Stefano and Kristen and Andre and Elvis for the times john was absent from his life, whether away trying to save a kidnapped Marlena or saving FauxRo from dying, etc or in a coma after Elvis shot him, or "dead" when Stefano brought john back to life after faking his death and John not being himself. John has never abandoned or neglected little Brady or adult Brady.
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What the hell is wrong with these writers? I have been watching for 20 years, and John was a great dad. I am not surprised that the writers didn't bother doing their research. They are probably hoping that the new, naive fans fall for the crappy rewriting of history. It's very disrespectful to the longtime viewers. We ain't stupid!! :censored:
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crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 08:00 PM
BTW, off topic, has anyone ever noticed that Will looks like the son of Sami & Stan? LOL
Hey now...Steve & Kayla's son, Joey, is the son of Stan :)

http://instagram.com/p/pPaZvmrwaz/
Edited by Jason47, Jun 16 2014, 09:20 PM.
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I really hope the speculation about this storyline leading to Rafe's exit turns out to be correct. I'd fly a jaige banner and say nice things about dannifer every day for a year, as thanks, if that happened.
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Ok..I am officially grossed out with Rafe and Kate...again. Seriously, what are these writers thinking? Once before wasn't enough with these two..we had to see granny and her fuck buddy again? :'( I needed eye bleach after today's romp.

They had a budding romance going with Rafe and Jordan..granted the story was going slowly, but they were one of the only romantic couples on the show to root for. Now that's been ruined..and for what? I am really beginning to hate this show and what they have done to my favorite characters.
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magicsteacher
Jun 16 2014, 09:34 PM
Ok..I am officially grossed out with Rafe and Kate...again. Seriously, what are these writers thinking? Once before wasn't enough with these two..we had to see granny and her fuck buddy again? :'( I needed eye bleach after today's romp.

They had a budding romance going with Rafe and Jordan..granted the story was going slowly, but they were one of the only romantic couples on the show to root for. Now that's been ruined..and for what? I am really beginning to hate this show and what they have done to my favorite characters.
I hated how downright nasty they made him be to her when she was offering him support. There was no reason to act so hateful. I've seen Rafe under many extreme circumstances and his tone toward Jordan who he supposedly loves shocked me.
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Jason47
Jun 16 2014, 09:19 PM
crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 08:00 PM
BTW, off topic, has anyone ever noticed that Will looks like the son of Sami & Stan? LOL
Hey now...Steve & Kayla's son, Joey, is the son of Stan :)

http://instagram.com/p/pPaZvmrwaz/
I thought I was done being frustrated by this show... but he's the spitting image of them! Where's that pulling out your hair emoticon?
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Ok I was busy when "watching" today's show earlier but I watched it again just now and my thoughts on Rafe....
I can maybe understand how just done and hurt and "WTF!" he's feeling. I can understand him annoyed at Jordan even. And I actually love Jordan. He's lost...he needs space. He's feeling like he took too much time with his own nothingness in disregard to his family's somethings! So he will deny that which he loves because he's feeling his own responsibility. I found GG surprisingly fantastic today. The monotone voice, inflections...he was real good. Add in the fact Rafe knows Jordan isn't being completely honest about things. Rafe is in a really weird spot right now. BUT....ill never understand how or why this show finds sex as a greiving mechanism. It's never made sense and it doesn't now. Had Rafe ended up laying on Kate's chest and crying? I'd GET that. But how or why get your dick hard under some seriously dramatic situations? It's not even camp, it's just odd. It's also unfair to what's been built up between him and Jordan. Like the writers changed their minds about Jordan's secret and knew the audience would be bored so they threw this in to "stir em up". Well, it doesn't. We aren't stupid! It's an unnecessary wrench in a story that should be enthralling us by now. Maybe there's a "twist" coming that I don't know of. And ya know what? I hope there is. C'mon Days, you used to be THE best mystery tellers on daytime. Do it proud! ;)
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james0479
Jun 16 2014, 10:06 PM
Ok I was busy when "watching" today's show earlier but I watched it again just now and my thoughts on Rafe....
I can maybe understand how just done and hurt and "WTF!" he's feeling. I can understand him annoyed at Jordan even. And I actually love Jordan. He's lost...he needs space. He's feeling like he took too much time with his own nothingness in disregard to his family's somethings! So he will deny that which he loves because he's feeling his own responsibility. I found GG surprisingly fantastic today. The monotone voice, inflections...he was real good. Add in the fact Rafe knows Jordan isn't being completely honest about things. Rafe is in a really weird spot right now. BUT....ill never understand how or why this show finds sex as a greiving mechanism. It's never made sense and it doesn't now. Had Rafe ended up laying on Kate's chest and crying? I'd GET that. But how or why get your dick hard under some seriously dramatic situations? It's not even camp, it's just odd. It's also unfair to what's been built up between him and Jordan. Like the writers changed their minds about Jordan's secret and knew the audience would be bored so they threw this in to "stir em up". Well, it doesn't. We aren't stupid! It's an unnecessary wrench in a story that should be enthralling us by now. Maybe there's a "twist" coming that I don't know of. And ya know what? I hope there is. C'mon Days, you used to be THE best mystery tellers on daytime. Do it proud! ;)
Can you imagine how much more powerful the ending would have been if we had seen Rafe alone somewhere completely break down crying?! The only time I remember seeing him sob was when he was alone in his office holding the baby clothes of Sydney's they pulled from the water. His despair today could have really made a mark instead it became a cheap stunt.
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Jordan and Ben are just creepy.

That sex scene with Rafe and Kate was hilarious. It must be from the love scene handbook.. Once in bed, writhe around like worms, groan and create pain-like expression on your faces.
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Let's see, Jordan is BORING and she keeps threatening to run away, and she keeps reminding us that she might not be around. Kate took advantage of that and the being drunk thing to score a win for herself. I liked Rafe and Kate the first time but this is just wrong on Kate's part. Rafe would remember Kate being there for him before, he has lost a lot and feels guilty. No wonder he pushed Jorbore away, she doesn't seem too invested in the relationship to me.
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Jason47
Jun 16 2014, 09:19 PM
crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 08:00 PM
BTW, off topic, has anyone ever noticed that Will looks like the son of Sami & Stan? LOL
Hey now...Steve & Kayla's son, Joey, is the son of Stan :)

http://instagram.com/p/pPaZvmrwaz/
As much as I like GV in the role, I've thought since 2005 that it would be hilarious and brilliant if they cast Dan Wells as Eric.
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