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Monday, June 16th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 13 2014, 11:56 PM (17,470 Views)
nananana7
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james0479
Jun 16 2014, 10:06 PM
BUT....ill never understand how or why this show finds sex as a grieving mechanism. It's never made sense and it doesn't now.

Seriously!
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concerned
Jun 16 2014, 07:49 PM
crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 07:48 PM
concerned
Jun 16 2014, 07:41 PM
naptown
Jun 16 2014, 06:36 PM

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Well to be fair Tony coerced her into that one.
wasn't it the guy pretending to be Tony while Tony was stuck on an island?
Ok Andre coerced her into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1K6yHpVYiU
Thanks again for the clips Concerned! I had forgotten that Nicole and Chloe's botched surgery was part of that story too. I guess 2005 was the year of bad goatees. While Nicole looked fantastic, I find it hilarious that we were supposed to believe that Sami could have flattened those huge knockers out when she donned her Stan costume. Yes, I know the whole reason for Stan was because AS was on maternity leave and those are her postpartum boobs, but still, they were huge! Those storylines were chock full of what-the-fuckery too!

It's funny how much couple swapping has been going on over the last 10 years between Lucas, Brady, Phillip, Nicole, Sami, Chloe, Elvis and Dr. Cheeto Dick. As much as I like Nicole, she's basically fucked every man in Salem.
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concerned
Jun 16 2014, 08:21 PM
lysie
Jun 16 2014, 06:19 PM
I don't really get why the show keeps falling back on these ONS/cheating stories, but at least this one makes more sense than the last one I guess. I don't know or care enough about Jordan to know what an in character response from her would be like, so I really couldn't care less how this story resolves (if it does). Rafe's reason/excuse isn't great, but it's at least better than the last few people have had, lol.

Meanwhile, Kate's taste in men continues to get worse and worse. I guess it's in character at this point, but the Kate I enjoyed wouldn't have been caught dead with Rafe (or Roman...or John). She needs rich old guys or young hot guys. Blue collar men need not apply.
Like this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-gBeHUv67M

@13.44
Or this guy?

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concerned
Jun 16 2014, 03:47 PM
waterlilly
Jun 16 2014, 12:05 PM
EJ "nothing else matters but Samantha's happiness" :facepalm: Dumb Rafe :shame:
Yeah what would have been a great twist is if Abby had of kneed him in his groin at that moment and told him to take care of his own wedding.
LOL Really she should of told him to F off.
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PALMommy
Jun 16 2014, 05:09 PM
JaimeLannister
Jun 16 2014, 04:21 PM
Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 04:17 PM
I guess, Rafe didn't save her soul after all.
I'm not convinced Kate ever had a soul.
THIS is the quote of the day for me. :hail:
For me, Kate doesn't need a soul. She's fine without one...I don't expect her to have a soul after all she's done. And that's okay...it works for the character. It was like her saying she sleeps like a baby when Sami & Gabi were having nightmares about Nick. That is the Kate I know & love, not the sniveling crier thanking Rafe for giving her back her soul.
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nananana7
Jun 16 2014, 05:58 PM
marie1969
Jun 16 2014, 05:30 PM
If you act like a cheap whore, of course a man is going to treat you as such. Abigail gave up her dignity for a quick lay and now she is surprised that Ej does not treat her with respect. If you want a man to respect you, you respect yourself first and foremost.

I realize you're speaking about the fictional character of Abby so of course you can hurl insults at the fictional character if you want to. I cannot take offense at that. Abby isn't a real person.

But ... I just disagree with the general concept that having a quick lay with someone makes a woman a whore. Because if it does, then I'd be a whore, and I'm not.

Where I come from, a woman having enjoyable sex -- even if it's a "quick lay" with someone -- is considered fun and healthy -- and not considered to be disrespecting herself.
Abby crossed the line of having any self-respect when she offered herself up to EJ in that conference room, knowing that EJ & Sami were back together. She was willing to be quiet, no one would see her, no one would know...just like the shower. After the way her treated her after the shower scene, she came sneaking in, using overheard business info & scouting out Sami's schedule and he told her no. Yet she kept pushing until he not so gently reminded her of what the life of a mistress really looks like. Having a quick role in the hay at the cabin doesn't make her a whore, but she came pretty close in that board room.
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Restless84
Jun 16 2014, 03:55 PM
iheartwilson
Jun 16 2014, 03:51 PM
Doesn't look like I missed much, today. I am curious about how Rafe ended up in bed with Kate, but not curious enough to read all the pages :P
They barely showed how things transpired between Rafe and Kate. He was really drunk and miserable and the next scene shown was them in bed together.
Even Days writers could not come up with any plausible dialogue or scenario that could get Rafe and Kate from the club to the bed so they did not bother to try,they just went from A to C skipping B.
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crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 08:12 PM
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Jun 16 2014, 08:00 PM
crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 07:41 PM

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it seems to me that he was sloshed and she took advantage of the fact he was sloshed, anymore sloshed and he would be blubbering. If the roles were reversed and Kate was the drunk one, it would be called date rape...just saying.

Sloshed? I don't know about that. The first time Kate & Rafe had sex they were both sloshed and, comparatively speaking, he wasn't acting overly inebriated.

And just because alcohol is involved doesn't mean consent can't be given. If either were to claim that consent wasn't given, then we can start talking 'date rape.' Did she take advantage of him in a vulnerable state? Yes. Was he a willing participant who consciously made a mistake? Yes.

Man, I need to stop reading this board. Ya'll are making me have an inkling of sympathy for Rafe & Jordan. I prefer to see Kate as the heroic destroyer of ennui in this storyline. ;)

4. Kate kept encouraging Rafe to drink, it was a disturbing scene. Fuck TPTB.
Kate didn't "keep" encouraging Rafe to drink -- she offered to buy him one drink. That's all we saw her do. The scene didn't disturb me at all.

And it's not like Rafe was drinking hard liquor. He had a few beers. I'm sure he can handle it. Brady was far more intoxicated today than Rafe was -- why isn't anyone complaining that Brady couldn't consent to sleeping with Theresa?
Edited by Will&Sonny, Jun 17 2014, 01:50 AM.
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Rafe's ramblings about how he constantly failed the women in his life fell flat for me because he didn't mention Emily.
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PALMommy
Jun 16 2014, 05:11 PM
concerned
Jun 16 2014, 04:38 PM
Rosebud
Jun 16 2014, 04:29 PM
Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 01:43 PM

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Pulls them off successfully?
Thank you its good to know there is someone else in my parallel universe.
Yes, but that doesn't negate that she was a fantastic schemer and she's now apparently got Kate in her court. Those two unified would and should scare the crap out of anyone including the Dimera Men.
I have only been watching regularly since 2009 and admit I don't recall every story line in depth but so I have a question.When did Sami,Kate,and/or EJ ever come out the winner when they went against Stefano?
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crookedhalo
Jun 16 2014, 07:41 PM
Hamilton
Jun 16 2014, 06:57 PM
Dutch19
Jun 16 2014, 06:30 PM
Kaha
Jun 16 2014, 06:03 PM

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Rafe being vulnerable and human is quite attractive on him! When he first came to Salem, he was the do-no-wrong white knight. His brooding over not being able to protect both of his sisters and feeling like he let the family down isn't feeling overplayed. But Kate is totally swooping in like a vulture. But why? Just because she can and hates Jordan? She really wants to risk Stefano's vengeance again? I thought she was over Rafe? It seems weird that in the first half of the episode she's getting Sami riled up about a double DiMera wedding, and in the second half she's in bed with Rafe.
Kate was definitely the vulture swooping in. As to why? I think her hatred of Jordan played into it for sure. This was Kate's chance to win up on her in a way that would crush Jordan. I think Kate's whole stance on protecting Rafe as a friend has always been a line of defense for covering up her true motives. If she's sooo concerned about Rafe being placed in danger and hurt why sleep with him and tweak Stefano's anger once more? Kate's put Rafe in harm's way before and had no qualms about subjecting him to consequences again today. It's all about winning. Did you see her perk up as soon as Rafe mentioned Jordan while in his emotional state? She knew she had the perfect opportunity to get some info out of him on the sly.

I do think Rafe isn't thinking clearly because he has been drinking and is emotionally raw. He said he feels as though he's no good to anyone. He fails the women he gets close to. Kate offers him an escape without strings. I don't excuse him though because he has to be aware on some level that this is a selfish act and cruel to Jordan. She may not have shared everything with him, but he's witnessed the huge strides on her part. He shouldn't get a pass for slamming her this way. I also like seeing Rafe vulnerable and going through emotional turmoil. But this path of sleeping with Kate was not only stupid but damaging. I think Rafe spiraling in another way could have been a lot more gripping. Shame the writers couldn't give him something with real depth to it.
it seems to me that he was sloshed and she took advantage of the fact he was sloshed, anymore sloshed and he would be blubbering. If the roles were reversed and Kate was the drunk one, it would be called date rape...just saying.

Love the way Abby smacked EJ on his chest, I'm waiting for her to give it to him some more.
She smacked him so girly and cute. :blulaugh:
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Omg why the hell didn't Abby slap the hell out of Ej when he said Sami and his kids are the only thing he cares about. He wasn't saying that in the cabin, Storage closet,and the shower. Now he wants to treat her like that. Tell me what y'all are thinking?
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I'm not sure where the comments about E.J. stating that "nothing else matters except Samantha's happiness" are coming from. He said nothing else mattered except the fact that he loved Sami and his family more than anything else in the world. And he was saying it in an effort to help Abby, not hurt her. She was freaking out about her guilt, and he was making the argument that she didn't need to feel guilty about their secret anymore because it didn't matter -- the only thing that mattered was that he loved Sami and his family more than anything else in the world.
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PALMommy
Jun 16 2014, 06:12 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 16 2014, 05:22 PM
PALMommy
Jun 16 2014, 05:15 PM
Carly
Jun 16 2014, 05:12 PM
It's interesting that Sami wants to marry EJ before the big board meeting. Maybe Sami marries EJ, and Kate secretly marries Stefano, and then Kate & Sami crash EJ's board meeting and take over DiMera Enterprises. And I suspect it'll be revealed that Chad is secretly working with Kami. (Chad would be motivated to destroy EJ if Kami told Chad that EJ had an affair with Abby.) So, Chad could use his share of DiMera Enterprises to help Kami kick EJ and Stefano out of the company.

Also, the DiMera family is on the hospital board. If Sami takes over DiMera Enterprises, she could use her power to fire Jen and Abby. And then Sami could give Jen's job to Anne, which would totally make Jen's head explode!

:shithitfan: HOLY CRAP! If Chad knows about EJabby. . . his share could tip the scales! Now THAT could be the best twist ever! I need to bow to the greatness that is this post! :hail:
Not necessarily. Kristen probably has a sizable stake in the company, too, and she'd likely side with Stefano and E.J.
Yep, but she's wanted for a crime that Daniel and Eric can now PROVE - so she might be laying low because if she pops up her head she'll be arrested won't she? Of course I don't think even Nicole knows Eric HAS the proof, only that he knows. So maybe that'll be why Kristen
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NicGil
Jun 16 2014, 06:34 PM
I really haven't agreed with any of the posters that have been predicting Sami knows about ejabby and is plotting revenge until today. So I apologize. Sooo many signs today that Sami knows and is in cahoots with Kate. I mean the fights between Kate and Sami just seem so fake. Sami seriously said Kate is trying to ruin her life. That's a little much. Then there is the emphasis on getting married before the big dimera board meeting. Also Sami told EJ something along the lines of she'll make the day perfect and he'll see. Seemed like some major foreshadowing.

As for Rafe jumping into bed with Kate...ridiculous. I'm so tired of days putting characters into these situations that make no sense just for shock value. They are destroying every character I ever cared about. I used to hardcore root for Nicole and now I'm even finding that hard. It's sad really.
When Sami said Kate was going around telling people that EJ was making a mistake in marrying her,I was wondering who Kate could have been talking to when saying this.Stefano?Lucas? Victor? Then Sami said Stefano supported her marrying EJ.That was not the impression I got when Sami asked Stefano to let them move out then got in his face and said they were getting married and there was nothing he could do about it while Stefano was smiling as though he was toying with her.I wonder why Sami's statements about Kate saying EJ was making mistake and that Stefano supported their marriage did not make EJ suspicious.
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I'm just watching Days now on my TiVo and I'm dying of laughter. "I have a favor to ask of you Abigail. That makes you our unofficial wedding planner" Ahahahahaha If Sami knew Abigail slept with EJ she would be the last person she would ask to be her unofficial wedding planner "I feel like we have a nice connection. I think you're a wonderful person. You are so trustworthy" Abigail trustworthy, yeah right. oh my gosh! Lmao
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 17 2014, 02:24 AM.
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Jun 17 2014, 02:14 AM
NicGil
Jun 16 2014, 06:34 PM
I really haven't agreed with any of the posters that have been predicting Sami knows about ejabby and is plotting revenge until today. So I apologize. Sooo many signs today that Sami knows and is in cahoots with Kate. I mean the fights between Kate and Sami just seem so fake. Sami seriously said Kate is trying to ruin her life. That's a little much. Then there is the emphasis on getting married before the big dimera board meeting. Also Sami told EJ something along the lines of she'll make the day perfect and he'll see. Seemed like some major foreshadowing.

As for Rafe jumping into bed with Kate...ridiculous. I'm so tired of days putting characters into these situations that make no sense just for shock value. They are destroying every character I ever cared about. I used to hardcore root for Nicole and now I'm even finding that hard. It's sad really.
When Sami said Kate was going around telling people that EJ was making a mistake in marrying her,I was wondering who Kate could have been talking to when saying this.Stefano?Lucas? Victor? Then Sami said Stefano supported her marrying EJ.That was not the impression I got when Sami asked Stefano to let them move out then got in his face and said they were getting married and there was nothing he could do about it while Stefano was smiling as though he was toying with her.I wonder why Sami's statements about Kate saying EJ was making mistake and that Stefano supported their marriage did not make EJ suspicious.
I think E.J. is under the impression that Stefano is supportive of the engagement, and he has probably shared that with Sami. Stefano claimed, when he revealed to E.J. that he knew about the fling with Abby, that he had no intention of using that information to blow up E.J. and Sami's engagement.
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Ugh I cannot believe the writers have Rafe sleeping with Kate again. They are ruining so many relationships.
Edited by DaysAddiction, Jun 17 2014, 02:33 AM.
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iloveyou94
Jun 17 2014, 02:02 AM
Omg why the hell didn't Abby slap the hell out of Ej when he said Sami and his kids are the only thing he cares about. He wasn't saying that in the cabin, Storage closet,and the shower. Now he wants to treat her like that. Tell me what y'all are thinking?
EJ basically told Abby she should do what Sami wanted so Sami would not become suspicious regardless of how Abby felt about participating in the wedding preparation.
Since Abby obviously felt guilty about sleeping with him then continuing to play the role of Sami's BFF and EJ assured her that the affair would not be exposed because Nick was dead,Abby should have told EJ to "F" off because she was going to make some excuse to Sami and she not going to participate in the planning their wedding.He is basically said to her I don't care how you feel,what I want and Sami's happiness are more important that how you feel about the situation.

I did think it was cute when smiled as Sami was leaving then dropped the smile,hit him and asked what he was doing because it was such a "couple thing" to do.
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Will&Sonny
Jun 17 2014, 02:05 AM
I'm not sure where the comments about E.J. stating that "nothing else matters except Samantha's happiness" are coming from. He said nothing else mattered except the fact that he loved Sami and his family more than anything else in the world. And he was saying it in an effort to help Abby, not hurt her. She was freaking out about her guilt, and he was making the argument that she didn't need to feel guilty about their secret anymore because it didn't matter -- the only thing that mattered was that he loved Sami and his family more than anything else in the world.


I agree that I think that is what EJ meant to say, but he could have said it in a nicer voice instead he sounded like a jerk.

Anyway itīs possible that the writers are planning on getting rid of GG, but given what they did to Ericole itīs also possible that the writers think this is good angst for Rafe and Jordan.

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