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Thursday, June 19th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 19 2014, 08:53 AM (27,092 Views)
Serenity 808


It's nice to see Sami scheming again. I also love Kami working together, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them turned on the other at some point. For now, I'll just enjoy them messing with EJ, Abigail, and Stefano.

Nicole is getting more enjoyable for me. It's nice to see her stand up for herself instead of taking insult after insult. While it's sad that the writers ruined Eric and Nicole, at this point, I think it's best for her character if she got involved with more of a bad boy.
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waterlilly
Jun 19 2014, 06:51 PM
Rosebud
Jun 19 2014, 05:42 PM
magicsteacher
Jun 19 2014, 04:46 PM
Oh Nicole..love how she let holier than thou Marlena have it!
I don't see how Marlena is being holier than thou about Nicole. She didn't say anything to Nicole that wasn't true. Marlena has apologized to Nicole for being suspicious of her and has stayed out of the way regarding Eric and Nicole since, giving them her blessing.
And since she ran to Stephano to get him to help her throw Nicole under the bus and he scared the shit out of her so much that she ran into John's arms, then treated him like crap. I think that maybe Eric got his judgmental attitude from his mother who by the way canceled all her patients who needed her today so she could go to her son's ex-fiances' home and continue belittling her, and as usual caused more damage than good. Her son needs to put his big boy pants on and realize that he made a BIG mistake. Yes, Nicole was wrong, wrong, wrong but Eric should get over his "orange crush" and handle his own situation. He knew exactly where to find his Mommy.
Like I said, I don't see how she was holier than thou about Nicole, much less judgmental.
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daysjahvu
Jun 19 2014, 06:27 PM
missmeka1987_
Jun 19 2014, 06:05 PM
daysjahvu
Jun 19 2014, 05:15 PM
missmeka1987_
Jun 19 2014, 04:30 PM
Btw I seriously think Abigail is not going to play the total weak victim in this s/l we will see I would love to see Kate Mansi in punch back action.. :)
Um she knowingly slept with Sami's fiancé and you want her to punch back at Sami? I fail to see how Sami has done anything to deserve a punch from Abby or even a retort. Abby brought on the wrath of Sami, she's been talking about it since in the cabin & went back and ask for sex 3 additional times. She needs to pull on her big girl panties & take whatever Sami dishes out to her & then try to move on with her life.


Bye I made that statement because it's not fun for ME imo watching somebody be weak and shriving in a back corner..I couldn't stand Chloe last run on this show because of that all Jennifer did was whine and cry while Chloe bullied her.. BTW :whack:
I get that, but Jenn didn't get involved with a man that was currently engaged/married to Chloe so she had a leg to stand on in that situation. She should have defended herself. I just don't think Abby has that in this case and her whining about Sami at any given moment is getting on my nerves. Like mother, like daughter I guess. This whole storyline is destructive to all 3 of the involved characters so I just want to see it end yesterday.

I've got to say it was a tough day all around...I love Nicole but they are just destroying her too. That great eye acting thing AZ & GV have is not even doing it for me because it is all tortured & glaring, not wishful & longing.

I'm sorry but Sami tried to murder her cousin and then her whore of a fiance helped her cover it up he did all he could and everything he could including sleeping with somebody to shut them up about it I'm wondering is Abigail ever going to find out about that :hmmph:
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Will&Sonny
Jun 19 2014, 06:25 PM
happyphairy
Jun 19 2014, 02:10 PM
missmeka1987_
Jun 19 2014, 01:31 PM
It erks me a little as an internet person people have been ruining the story by saying Sami knows and her and Kate are plotting together for it turn out to be true..So I didn't get the shock factor sorry..Good tv but sorry :shrug:
I know what you mean but I only have myself to blame because I go to places that i know have major spoilers. I guess hanging out online is like a double edged sword, on one hand all the discussions increase the viewer experience exponentially as you become immersed in the characters, their history, backgrounds, motivations, wardrobe etc BUT on the other hand you always know ahead of time what might happen. If none of us were on DR, FB, Twitter etc, nick coming back, nick getting killed, gabi shooting nick, sami knowing about ejabby and kami working together would have given all of us heart attacks, we would still be in shock today
I'm sure that plenty of people would have still figured out all of those "twists" either way. In each case, there were hints -- either subtle or as subtle as a train wreck -- that pointed to the direction the stories were headed in. Nick "dies" but there's no body? Classic soap staple of a "back from the dead" story. Nick gets shot and dies -- for real this time? Plenty of people wanted him dead at that time and had been threatening to kill him. Gabi killed Nick? That was probably the one the writers would have had the best chance of surprising viewers with, but there were still obvious hints -- mainly the diaper bag. Sami knows about E.J. and Abby's fling and has been working with Kate to get back at them? There have been hints of that since May 21st.

Honestly, if they wanted to shock us, they shouldn't have spoiled that Rafe and Kate would sleep together again. I'm fairly certain that will be the most shocking thing that happened this week, in the end. I have no idea why they allowed Soap Opera Digest to spoil that -- if they hadn't, it would have taken us by surprise because there were no hints that anything like that was going to happen before the episode in which it did happen. I wouldn't have considered it a truly "earned" twist for that very fact -- as I talked about in another thread recently, "random events" don't count as true twists, in my book -- but still, it would have shocked us. It did shock us...when we read about it online days before it actually occurred.

exactly I mean even with Liam getting killed I would've been more shocked if his ex ended up on the island and shot him.. :shrug:
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I am actually hoping that the deal with Sami/Kate is to take over Stefano's companies (or whatever he has). Maybe it's Karma for what was done to Roman (Wayne), Marlena and John back in the day.
Marlena is going to love this when she finds out. She might want in on the action.
I would love to see Sami and Lucas back together. JMO
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Honeybees
Jun 19 2014, 04:48 PM
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Jun 19 2014, 04:44 PM
missmeka1987_
Jun 19 2014, 04:30 PM
Btw I seriously think Abigail is not going to play the total weak victim in this s/l we will see I would love to see Kate Mansi in punch back action.. :)
OMG me too. I hope she pushes back.
If she does, I hope she says "You can have the jerk. I lost my mind temporarily. What's your excuse?"

Seriously, it's not that Elvis hasn't cheated before. He has. Sami should feel pretty stupid.


haha at least some people get why I posted that nobody got time for the weak scared links afraid to fight back... :ermmmm:
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Sami being so hyper and out of control is Sami trying to keep it together and not blow the plan. Do I think Kate gives a rats ass about Sami? Nope, but if this whole revenge thing works in her favor then oh yeh she's in. Kate will work out the rest later. I think the thing with Rafe was a slip on Kate's part and she knew it (hey, a girl needs some too). I am so having fun with what is happening in Salem right now. Takes your mind off of real life and isn't that what the soaps have always done?
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Jun 19 2014, 11:24 AM
I generally like AZ and DH sharing scenes but I really need these writers to bring back the real Marlena. Please. That "story" isn't moving anywhere, the same old record playing month after month and I've really grown to hate this nuMarlena (a die-hard Marlena-fan speaking). And the same goes with Brady and John.. People are styled a bit differently, but the dialogues could very well be recycled and no one would notice a difference. What's the point of this kind of storytelling?
Yeah, this is not Marlena. She's podMarlena. I've said it to a lot of people, she's basically the same wall in two stories. In Eric's and in Sami's. She's the wall people attack and talk at, but she doesn't have feelings, opinions and she doesn't get to point out when what they're saying is wrong.
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jaygal
Jun 19 2014, 04:40 PM
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Jun 19 2014, 04:28 PM
Dutch19
Jun 19 2014, 01:52 PM
I had no idea there were any elective vocal cord procedures aside from the ones people get to raise their pitch. Maybe Eve is counting on Dr Wonderful to mess up and sue for millions in malpractice?
There are plenty of different types of nodes/nodules that can develop in the throat of those that do a lot of talking/singing/etc. Not all need to be removed by surgery (as some may disappear on their own with rest of the vocal cords).

Note: I'm trying to remember this from memory. Therefore, the factual accuracy of what I wrote may be edited once I have a chance to consult my textbook.
Yep, speech therapy and rest tend to get rid of nodules. For you to have surgery on them, elective or otherwise, would mean they were bad and you are willing to be on total vocal rest for a couple of weeks afterwards and then therapy. Plus they'll possibly come back if you don't change your behaviour

My main issue, as a voice geek, is that she does not sound like someone who has nodules. This is why it's bothering me so much
No, she doesn't. It doesn't even sound like she's trying to make it sound realistic that her character has nodules in her throat. I'm not sure if we're supposed to fault KDP or the director for that one.
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I want Nicole to end up pregnant and NOT LOSE the baby. No doubts that Eric is the dad either. I want it to be a long, dramatic, angsty road for both of them.
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Spencer Hastings
Jun 19 2014, 06:00 PM
Are we sure that JJ isn't Frankie's kid? Casey looks a lot like Billy Warlock in that picture!

Lord poor baby if so he probably go set the horton square on fire :biggrin:
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Jun 19 2014, 06:40 PM
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Jun 19 2014, 01:52 PM
I had no idea there were any elective vocal cord procedures aside from the ones people get to raise their pitch. Maybe Eve is counting on Dr Wonderful to mess up and sue for millions in malpractice?
There are plenty of different types of nodes/nodules that can develop in the throat of those that do a lot of talking/singing/etc. Not all need to be removed by surgery (as some may disappear on their own with rest of the vocal cords).

Note: I'm trying to remember this from memory. Therefore, the factual accuracy of what I wrote may be edited once I have a chance to consult my textbook.
Are you a fellow speechie? :D I just wasn't sure that a nodule surgery would be elective rather than medically necessary. That kind of stuff always confuses me!
It's technically an elective surgery since it's not REALLY necessary. In fact, the writers picking nodules to be what Eve's ENT problem is is stupid from the "going to Dr Dan cause he's an awesome surgeon" perspective. Eve being a singer and having nodules makes sense, but they really shouldn't be being resolved via surgery. That's not the usual course of actions. Of course, we're probably getting too technical. lol. ;)
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Ok, I admit, the food fight was hilarious. And I loved after Kate left, whatever Sami said there, it was almost like psycho the way she turned that anger off and EJ giving her a WTF face. He really is a moron for not seeing Sami is playing them.

And I did like Kami finding each other in the park later though the hug was a bit pushy.

Gag me to hear Eve telling Daniel how hot he is. And then her daughter really is Paige after all. I wasn't on board with JJ and Bev but that character is tons more interesting. Though I do find some irony that Eve's daughter is so golden she could join a convent after HS.

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waterlilly
Jun 19 2014, 07:13 PM
Sami being so hyper and out of control is Sami trying to keep it together and not blow the plan. Do I think Kate gives a rats ass about Sami? Nope, but if this whole revenge thing works in her favor then oh yeh she's in. Kate will work out the rest later. I think the thing with Rafe was a slip on Kate's part and she knew it (hey, a girl needs some too). I am so having fun with what is happening in Salem right now. Takes your mind off of real life and isn't that what the soaps have always done?
And I'm betting that Stefano either already knows about that slip with Rafe on Kate's part or will.
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Somebody was in that hall!
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Serenity 808
Jun 19 2014, 07:00 PM
It's nice to see Sami scheming again. I also love Kami working together, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them turned on the other at some point. For now, I'll just enjoy them messing with EJ, Abigail, and Stefano.

Nicole is getting more enjoyable for me. It's nice to see her stand up for herself instead of taking insult after insult. While it's sad that the writers ruined Eric and Nicole, at this point, I think it's best for her character if she got involved with more of a bad boy.
I would absolutely agree, if it wasn't for the fact that she is acting like a spoiled child who blames everyone else for her problems. She's being vindictive and cruel, and IMO, her behavior is intolerable. She's attacking the people who were right in the first place (whom she mercilessly attacked for saying what they suspected), and if she acted like a big girl while standing up for herself, I'd enjoy it.

I wanted to see Nicole grow, not revert back to the worst sides we've seen through the years.
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karenap63
Jun 19 2014, 07:08 PM
I am actually hoping that the deal with Sami/Kate is to take over Stefano's companies (or whatever he has). Maybe it's Karma for what was done to Roman (Wayne), Marlena and John back in the day.
Marlena is going to love this when she finds out. She might want in on the action.
I would love to see Sami and Lucas back together. JMO
I would actually love if we got a big reveal scene with Sami/Marlena. Where Sami is continuously hurting Marlena and Marlena is destroyed, and Sami, having a little attack of a conscience, just tells her everything. And before she leaves, I'd love for them to actually have Sami admit that she used what happened as an excuse to be who she became. Marlena needs to hear it, because she spent years blaming herself for every single thing Sami did. And for Sami to say "I know why that happened, I know you made a mistake and I made you pay for it ever since. And now I'm going to make the people who screwed with all of our lives really pay." I don't know if I'd want for Marlena to say she doesn't want Sami to do that, to just be safe and happy, or if that part of Marlena who isn't afraid to take action when she has to comes out, and tells Sami she wants to help.

It doesn't have to be a "Oh Mommy, I regret everything, pwease wuv me" moment... but Sami taking responsibility for her shit, admitting mistakes and non-mistakes.
Edited by The Room Stops, Jun 19 2014, 07:51 PM.
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Jun 19 2014, 07:34 PM
Dutch19
Jun 19 2014, 06:40 PM
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Jun 19 2014, 04:28 PM
Dutch19
Jun 19 2014, 01:52 PM
I had no idea there were any elective vocal cord procedures aside from the ones people get to raise their pitch. Maybe Eve is counting on Dr Wonderful to mess up and sue for millions in malpractice?
There are plenty of different types of nodes/nodules that can develop in the throat of those that do a lot of talking/singing/etc. Not all need to be removed by surgery (as some may disappear on their own with rest of the vocal cords).

Note: I'm trying to remember this from memory. Therefore, the factual accuracy of what I wrote may be edited once I have a chance to consult my textbook.
Are you a fellow speechie? :D I just wasn't sure that a nodule surgery would be elective rather than medically necessary. That kind of stuff always confuses me!
It's technically an elective surgery since it's not REALLY necessary. In fact, the writers picking nodules to be what Eve's ENT problem is is stupid from the "going to Dr Dan cause he's an awesome surgeon" perspective. Eve being a singer and having nodules makes sense, but they really shouldn't be being resolved via surgery. That's not the usual course of actions. Of course, we're probably getting too technical. lol. ;)
Seriously, Kristin Chenoweth won't have surgery to fix a debilitating disease, because there's like a 1% chance of damaging her vocal cords... is there any singer who'd really opt for surgery?

Why not have Eve sing in a bar (apparently, character being singer is a forced part of the deal when one hires KDP) and Daniel drinking, have them meet that way? If they so absolutely have to do this shit?
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Supergirlx2
Jun 19 2014, 07:24 PM
jaygal
Jun 19 2014, 04:40 PM
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Jun 19 2014, 04:28 PM
Dutch19
Jun 19 2014, 01:52 PM
I had no idea there were any elective vocal cord procedures aside from the ones people get to raise their pitch. Maybe Eve is counting on Dr Wonderful to mess up and sue for millions in malpractice?
There are plenty of different types of nodes/nodules that can develop in the throat of those that do a lot of talking/singing/etc. Not all need to be removed by surgery (as some may disappear on their own with rest of the vocal cords).

Note: I'm trying to remember this from memory. Therefore, the factual accuracy of what I wrote may be edited once I have a chance to consult my textbook.
Yep, speech therapy and rest tend to get rid of nodules. For you to have surgery on them, elective or otherwise, would mean they were bad and you are willing to be on total vocal rest for a couple of weeks afterwards and then therapy. Plus they'll possibly come back if you don't change your behaviour

My main issue, as a voice geek, is that she does not sound like someone who has nodules. This is why it's bothering me so much
No, she doesn't. It doesn't even sound like she's trying to make it sound realistic that her character has nodules in her throat. I'm not sure if we're supposed to fault KDP or the director for that one.
I mean Mariah Carey has nodules and she still sounds great she just can't reach the high note as she did before: also her talking voice sounds the same.
Edited by XtinaFighter, Jun 19 2014, 07:54 PM.
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Jun 19 2014, 06:25 PM
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missmeka1987_
Jun 19 2014, 01:31 PM
It erks me a little as an internet person people have been ruining the story by saying Sami knows and her and Kate are plotting together for it turn out to be true..So I didn't get the shock factor sorry..Good tv but sorry :shrug:
I know what you mean but I only have myself to blame because I go to places that i know have major spoilers. I guess hanging out online is like a double edged sword, on one hand all the discussions increase the viewer experience exponentially as you become immersed in the characters, their history, backgrounds, motivations, wardrobe etc BUT on the other hand you always know ahead of time what might happen. If none of us were on DR, FB, Twitter etc, nick coming back, nick getting killed, gabi shooting nick, sami knowing about ejabby and kami working together would have given all of us heart attacks, we would still be in shock today
I'm sure that plenty of people would have still figured out all of those "twists" either way. In each case, there were hints -- either subtle or as subtle as a train wreck -- that pointed to the direction the stories were headed in. Nick "dies" but there's no body? Classic soap staple of a "back from the dead" story. Nick gets shot and dies -- for real this time? Plenty of people wanted him dead at that time and had been threatening to kill him. Gabi killed Nick? That was probably the one the writers would have had the best chance of surprising viewers with, but there were still obvious hints -- mainly the diaper bag. Sami knows about E.J. and Abby's fling and has been working with Kate to get back at them? There have been hints of that since May 21st.

Honestly, if they wanted to shock us, they shouldn't have spoiled that Rafe and Kate would sleep together again. I'm fairly certain that will be the most shocking thing that happened this week, in the end. I have no idea why they allowed Soap Opera Digest to spoil that -- if they hadn't, it would have taken us by surprise because there were no hints that anything like that was going to happen before the episode in which it did happen. I wouldn't have considered it a truly "earned" twist for that very fact -- as I talked about in another thread recently, "random events" don't count as true twists, in my book -- but still, it would have shocked us. It did shock us...when we read about it online days before it actually occurred.
im inclined to disagree - if there was no online forum, twitter, spoiler threads or facebook etc i dont think viewers would have seen some of the twists coming their way - even with the anvils. Coupled with not knowing which actors are leaving or joining the show, it would have been hard to anticipate some of the twists even with the use of classic soap staple tactics. im think it would have been difficult to know Gabi was the shooter if you were watching the show in a vacuum, same with Sami knowing about Ejabby and Kami working together. Like i said before double edged sword, however, im not complaining because speculation and spoilers make it intresting sometimes.
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