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Jun 19 2014, 11:57 PM
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Yeah, I know but I'm not going to go on a mission hunting down clips to prove a point to those that just refuse to believe the truth even when presented with the proof.
You do not need to go to that kind of trouble for my account. I have been watching Sami faithfully since the first day AS set foot in Salem. It is just that I have a difference perspective of their relationship. I think a lot of people see things from Marlena's POV because they love her and relate to her. On the other hand, I see it from Sami's POV for the same reason. At the end of the end, it is just my opinion based on what I have seen over the years. - Rosebud
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Yup! She's a truly flawed human being, who loves her family and her children deeply yet she can't seem to do the right thing by them or herself. She's a human conundrum.
I think I am going to save this post forever LOL. I do believe it is the first time I read you write something nice about Sami LOL. I do agree with your post by the way. :biggrin:
I think we all get that. It'd be nice if you'd give us examples of things that have happened onscreen so we can see where you're coming from. We've responded to your points many times, and you seem to not be interested in actually having a discussion about any of it, which is frustrating on a discussion board in a thread labeled "daily discussion." I was under the impression that I could express my opinion on this matter without having to provide proof or examples. I do believe that I am the first person who has ever been asked to do so. When someone said something I don't agree about Sami, can I ask for examples as well? I honestly did not think it was a requirement in order to express one's POV.
I guess I could go hunt for some examples, but would that change anyone's mind? I doubt it. Besides, I just provided an example up thread why I feel that Marlena does not care about Sami. As a mother, all this time and energy she spent on trying to nail Kristen should have been spent trying to clear Sami even if she was not successful.
From my perspective, Everything Marlena has done with a few exceptions has supported my belief she does not love Sami, she tolerates and secretly wishes she was more like Carrie.
Ok I will bite. Another example on the top of my head is the way she handled things when Cafe were 'dating'. She supported even encouraged Carrie going after Sami's husband and she did not care the least how Sami felt. Sami was desperately trying to save her marriage and Marlena gave her blessing to a very married Carrie to be with Rafe who was still married to Sami at the time. I know Sami cheated, but Marlena has made the same mistake in the past, i would expect her to empathize with Sami instead of pushing cafe together. A loving mother would have told Carrie that being with Rafe would hurt her sister and damage their fragile relationship even more. She should back off and give Safe a chance to work things out if possible. Now Carrie would have probably done what she wanted, but Marlena would have at least tried to consider Sami's feelings.
I am aware that Sami put Marlena through hell about the affair, but a mother is expected to have unconditional love for her child and forgives endlessly.
I could think of a few more examples, but what is the point? I am outnumbered and I am probably pissing off everyone for 'attacking' Marlena. Keep in mind that my intent was to support Sami.
I apologize for hijacking the thread.
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Jun 20 2014, 12:12 AM
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You do not need to go to that kind of trouble for my account. I have been watching Sami faithfully since the first day AS set foot in Salem. It is just that I have a difference perspective of their relationship. I think a lot of people see things from Marlena's POV because they love her and relate to her. On the other hand, I see it from Sami's POV for the same reason. At the end of the end, it is just my opinion based on what I have seen over the years. - Rosebud
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I think I am going to save this post forever LOL. I do believe it is the first time I read you write something nice about Sami LOL. I do agree with your post by the way. :biggrin:
I think we all get that. It'd be nice if you'd give us examples of things that have happened onscreen so we can see where you're coming from. We've responded to your points many times, and you seem to not be interested in actually having a discussion about any of it, which is frustrating on a discussion board in a thread labeled "daily discussion."
I was under the impression that I could express my opinion on this matter without having to provide proof or examples. I do believe that I am the first person who has ever been asked to do so. When someone said something I don't agree about Sami, can I ask for examples as well? I honestly did not think it was a requirement in order to express one's POV. I guess I could go hunt for some examples, but would that change anyone's mind? I doubt it. Besides, I just provided an example up thread why I feel that Marlena does not care about Sami. As a mother, all this time and energy she spent on trying to nail Kristen should have been spent trying to clear Sami even if she was not successful. From my perspective, Everything Marlena has done with a few exceptions has supported my belief she does not love Sami, she tolerates and secretly wishes she was more like Carrie. Ok I will bite. Another example on the top of my head is the way she handled things when Cafe were 'dating'. She supported even encouraged Carrie going after Sami's husband and she did not care the least how Sami felt. Sami was desperately trying to save her marriage and Marlena gave her blessing to a very married Carrie to be with Rafe who was still married to Sami at the time. I know Sami cheated, but Marlena has made the same mistake in the past, i would expect her to empathize with Sami instead of pushing cafe together. A loving mother would have told Carrie that being with Rafe would hurt her sister and damage their fragile relationship even more. She should back off and give Safe a chance to work things out if possible. Now Carrie would have probably done what she wanted, but Marlena would have at least tried to consider Sami's feelings. I am aware that Sami put Marlena through hell about the affair, but a mother is expected to have unconditional love for her child and forgives endlessly. I could think of a few more examples, but what is the point? I am outnumbered and I am probably pissing off everyone for 'attacking' Marlena. Keep in mind that my intent was to support Sami. I apologize for hijacking the thread. It's not a requirement and no one is trying to change anyone's mind. You make a lot of references to things, and when people ask you what you're referring to, you don't say. I legitimately want to know.
Also, I just want to add that just because I don't like Sami, doesn't mean I don't understand her. And the person you were originally responding to about people who love Marlena is a longterm SAMI fan. Not everyone sees things in a way where just because they like one character means they have to hate another. I've understood Sami's POV for 21 years. My opinion of her has nothing to do with my opinion of Marlena. That's just not the kind of viewer I am.
I do think that you're ignoring or maybe you just missed some scenes and dialogue that provided context for Marlena during the Kristen stuff you're bringing up. I don't agree with your Cafe example either only because Marlena has done the same thing for Sami's benefit against Carrie. She should have stayed out of it both times, but it wasn't some special slight to Sami. Your original statement was about Sami's family, though, not Marlena. And I don't agree that they don't care about her. If they didn't, they'd have washed their hands of her a long time ago, they wouldn't be concerned about her marriage, and they wouldn't bother even fighting with her. They don't always agree, but they're family.
You haven't derailed the thread. I asked a question and you sort of answered it.
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Jun 20 2014, 12:14 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 12:18 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 12:19 AM
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Jun 20 2014, 12:42 AM
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When Sami was asking EJ to fetch the extra trellis, I wasn't expecting her to wear it.
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Jun 20 2014, 12:44 AM
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I think we all get that. It'd be nice if you'd give us examples of things that have happened onscreen so we can see where you're coming from. We've responded to your points many times, and you seem to not be interested in actually having a discussion about any of it, which is frustrating on a discussion board in a thread labeled "daily discussion."
I was under the impression that I could express my opinion on this matter without having to provide proof or examples. I do believe that I am the first person who has ever been asked to do so. When someone said something I don't agree about Sami, can I ask for examples as well? I honestly did not think it was a requirement in order to express one's POV. I guess I could go hunt for some examples, but would that change anyone's mind? I doubt it. Besides, I just provided an example up thread why I feel that Marlena does not care about Sami. As a mother, all this time and energy she spent on trying to nail Kristen should have been spent trying to clear Sami even if she was not successful. From my perspective, Everything Marlena has done with a few exceptions has supported my belief she does not love Sami, she tolerates and secretly wishes she was more like Carrie. Ok I will bite. Another example on the top of my head is the way she handled things when Cafe were 'dating'. She supported even encouraged Carrie going after Sami's husband and she did not care the least how Sami felt. Sami was desperately trying to save her marriage and Marlena gave her blessing to a very married Carrie to be with Rafe who was still married to Sami at the time. I know Sami cheated, but Marlena has made the same mistake in the past, i would expect her to empathize with Sami instead of pushing cafe together. A loving mother would have told Carrie that being with Rafe would hurt her sister and damage their fragile relationship even more. She should back off and give Safe a chance to work things out if possible. Now Carrie would have probably done what she wanted, but Marlena would have at least tried to consider Sami's feelings. I am aware that Sami put Marlena through hell about the affair, but a mother is expected to have unconditional love for her child and forgives endlessly. I could think of a few more examples, but what is the point? I am outnumbered and I am probably pissing off everyone for 'attacking' Marlena. Keep in mind that my intent was to support Sami. I apologize for hijacking the thread.
It's not a requirement and no one is trying to change anyone's mind. You make a lot of references to things, and when people ask you what you're referring to, you don't say. I legitimately want to know. Also, I just want to add that just because I don't like Sami, doesn't mean I don't understand her. And the person you were originally responding to about people who love Marlena is a longterm SAMI fan. Not everyone sees things in a way where just because they like one character means they have to hate another. I've understood Sami's POV for 21 years. My opinion of her has nothing to do with my opinion of Marlena. That's just not the kind of viewer I am. I do think that you're ignoring or maybe you just missed some scenes and dialogue that provided context for Marlena during the Kristen stuff you're bringing up. I don't agree with your Cafe example either only because Marlena has done the same thing for Sami's benefit against Carrie. She should have stayed out of it both times, but it wasn't some special slight to Sami. Your original statement was about Sami's family, though, not Marlena. And I don't agree that they don't care about her. If they didn't, they'd have washed their hands of her a long time ago, they wouldn't be concerned about her marriage, and they wouldn't bother even fighting with her. They don't always agree, but they're family. You haven't derailed the thread. I asked a question and you sort of answered it. Oh OK I did not realize that was a Sami fan I was responding to. My mistake.
Like I said, it is just a matter of interpretation or POV. When I make those comments it is usually in response of something said against Sami or Marlena doing something on screen to sami LOL.
Regarding the bolded part, they have washed their hands off her many times before. It is just that she usually begs and grovels and then she has to prove she has changed so they can forgive and give her another chance which infuriates. I feel like a grown woman should not need her mommy stamp of approval. Sami should make peace with who she is and learn to love herself as is.
I identify with Sami because I not only grew up with her, but we went through similar experiences and we have the same mommy issues LOL. So that makes me a very biased viewer when it comes to Sami I guess.
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Jun 20 2014, 12:46 AM
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When Sami was asking EJ to fetch the extra trellis, I wasn't expecting her to wear it. She's rich now so she can afford it.
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Jun 20 2014, 12:50 AM
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So it is now 2 AM over here and still no Days episode. I guess I have to wait to 5 or 6 AM?
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Can you imagine this show ever writing a scene with Stefano, EJ, and Rafe screaming and throwing cake at each other?
No? That's what I thought. Seriously, DAYS, I love you but you can fuck off sometimes. This is the closest I can remember
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLkNmOu52U
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Can you imagine this show ever writing a scene with Stefano, EJ, and Rafe screaming and throwing cake at each other?
No? That's what I thought. Seriously, DAYS, I love you but you can fuck off sometimes.
This is the closest I can remember https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSLkNmOu52U Lucas pouring paint on EJ.
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Jun 20 2014, 12:58 AM
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I was under the impression that I could express my opinion on this matter without having to provide proof or examples. I do believe that I am the first person who has ever been asked to do so. When someone said something I don't agree about Sami, can I ask for examples as well? I honestly did not think it was a requirement in order to express one's POV. I guess I could go hunt for some examples, but would that change anyone's mind? I doubt it. Besides, I just provided an example up thread why I feel that Marlena does not care about Sami. As a mother, all this time and energy she spent on trying to nail Kristen should have been spent trying to clear Sami even if she was not successful. From my perspective, Everything Marlena has done with a few exceptions has supported my belief she does not love Sami, she tolerates and secretly wishes she was more like Carrie. Ok I will bite. Another example on the top of my head is the way she handled things when Cafe were 'dating'. She supported even encouraged Carrie going after Sami's husband and she did not care the least how Sami felt. Sami was desperately trying to save her marriage and Marlena gave her blessing to a very married Carrie to be with Rafe who was still married to Sami at the time. I know Sami cheated, but Marlena has made the same mistake in the past, i would expect her to empathize with Sami instead of pushing cafe together. A loving mother would have told Carrie that being with Rafe would hurt her sister and damage their fragile relationship even more. She should back off and give Safe a chance to work things out if possible. Now Carrie would have probably done what she wanted, but Marlena would have at least tried to consider Sami's feelings. I am aware that Sami put Marlena through hell about the affair, but a mother is expected to have unconditional love for her child and forgives endlessly. I could think of a few more examples, but what is the point? I am outnumbered and I am probably pissing off everyone for 'attacking' Marlena. Keep in mind that my intent was to support Sami. I apologize for hijacking the thread.
It's not a requirement and no one is trying to change anyone's mind. You make a lot of references to things, and when people ask you what you're referring to, you don't say. I legitimately want to know. Also, I just want to add that just because I don't like Sami, doesn't mean I don't understand her. And the person you were originally responding to about people who love Marlena is a longterm SAMI fan. Not everyone sees things in a way where just because they like one character means they have to hate another. I've understood Sami's POV for 21 years. My opinion of her has nothing to do with my opinion of Marlena. That's just not the kind of viewer I am. I do think that you're ignoring or maybe you just missed some scenes and dialogue that provided context for Marlena during the Kristen stuff you're bringing up. I don't agree with your Cafe example either only because Marlena has done the same thing for Sami's benefit against Carrie. She should have stayed out of it both times, but it wasn't some special slight to Sami. Your original statement was about Sami's family, though, not Marlena. And I don't agree that they don't care about her. If they didn't, they'd have washed their hands of her a long time ago, they wouldn't be concerned about her marriage, and they wouldn't bother even fighting with her. They don't always agree, but they're family. You haven't derailed the thread. I asked a question and you sort of answered it.
Oh OK I did not realize that was a Sami fan I was responding to. My mistake. Like I said, it is just a matter of interpretation or POV. When I make those comments it is usually in response of something said against Sami or Marlena doing something on screen to sami LOL. Regarding the bolded part, they have washed their hands off her many times before. It is just that she usually begs and grovels and then she has to prove she has changed so they can forgive and give her another chance which infuriates. I feel like a grown woman should not need her mommy stamp of approval. Sami should make peace with who she is and learn to love herself as is. I identify with Sami because I not only grew up with her, but we went through similar experiences and we have the same mommy issues LOL. So that makes me a very biased viewer when it comes to Sami I guess. Nah. I understand her because until 2006, I identified with her, too. There's always going to be bias in opinion.
I don't agree that they've washed their hands of her and she's groveled. I agree that they've been pissed at her. I don't think she's really groveled to them, though. Nothing comes to mind at least. She used to grovel to various men all the time, but not really to her family, and they very rarely stayed mad long. I see being mad as completely normal. They should have been mad. And there have been times when Sami was rightfully mad at them. I don't think they've ever asked anything of her that a normal parent wouldn't ask. I think she tries to prove herself to herself and claims it's for them. I think most of Sami's arguments about what her family has done or said to her are her projecting her own self-concept on to them. I don't think those things actually came from them at all. I don't enjoy her at all anymore, but I think the roots of the character are way more complicated than some people (coughBeecough) give her credit for. I think that might be why i stopped liking her. She's not nearly as complex now as she used to be, and nothing they've settled on with her since then has highlighted the parts of her that I found to identify with and/or enjoy.
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So it is now 2 AM over here and still no Days episode. I guess I have to wait to 5 or 6 AM? I said I thought it was either Midnight ET or Midnight PT, so I guess it's Midnight PT when they upload it, so you have one more hour and it should be posted.
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So it is now 2 AM over here and still no Days episode. I guess I have to wait to 5 or 6 AM?
I said I thought it was either Midnight ET or Midnight PT, so I guess it's Midnight PT when they upload it, so you have one more hour and it should be posted. Still nothing. I swear if they don't upload the episode at all I'm going to complain to them. It is past midnight in the Pacific Time Zone.
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