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Thursday, June 19th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 19 2014, 08:53 AM (27,082 Views)
Will&Sonny


lysie
Jun 20 2014, 12:12 AM
marie1969
Jun 19 2014, 11:57 PM
lysie
Jun 19 2014, 11:20 PM
marie1969
Jun 19 2014, 11:15 PM

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I think we all get that. It'd be nice if you'd give us examples of things that have happened onscreen so we can see where you're coming from. We've responded to your points many times, and you seem to not be interested in actually having a discussion about any of it, which is frustrating on a discussion board in a thread labeled "daily discussion."
I was under the impression that I could express my opinion on this matter without having to provide proof or examples. I do believe that I am the first person who has ever been asked to do so. When someone said something I don't agree about Sami, can I ask for examples as well? I honestly did not think it was a requirement in order to express one's POV.

I guess I could go hunt for some examples, but would that change anyone's mind? I doubt it. Besides, I just provided an example up thread why I feel that Marlena does not care about Sami. As a mother, all this time and energy she spent on trying to nail Kristen should have been spent trying to clear Sami even if she was not successful.

From my perspective, Everything Marlena has done with a few exceptions has supported my belief she does not love Sami, she tolerates and secretly wishes she was more like Carrie.

Ok I will bite. Another example on the top of my head is the way she handled things when Cafe were 'dating'. She supported even encouraged Carrie going after Sami's husband and she did not care the least how Sami felt. Sami was desperately trying to save her marriage and Marlena gave her blessing to a very married Carrie to be with Rafe who was still married to Sami at the time. I know Sami cheated, but Marlena has made the same mistake in the past, i would expect her to empathize with Sami instead of pushing cafe together. A loving mother would have told Carrie that being with Rafe would hurt her sister and damage their fragile relationship even more. She should back off and give Safe a chance to work things out if possible. Now Carrie would have probably done what she wanted, but Marlena would have at least tried to consider Sami's feelings.

I am aware that Sami put Marlena through hell about the affair, but a mother is expected to have unconditional love for her child and forgives endlessly.

I could think of a few more examples, but what is the point? I am outnumbered and I am probably pissing off everyone for 'attacking' Marlena. Keep in mind that my intent was to support Sami.

I apologize for hijacking the thread.
It's not a requirement and no one is trying to change anyone's mind. You make a lot of references to things, and when people ask you what you're referring to, you don't say. I legitimately want to know.

Also, I just want to add that just because I don't like Sami, doesn't mean I don't understand her. And the person you were originally responding to about people who love Marlena is a longterm SAMI fan. Not everyone sees things in a way where just because they like one character means they have to hate another. I've understood Sami's POV for 21 years. My opinion of her has nothing to do with my opinion of Marlena. That's just not the kind of viewer I am.

I do think that you're ignoring or maybe you just missed some scenes and dialogue that provided context for Marlena during the Kristen stuff you're bringing up. I don't agree with your Cafe example either only because Marlena has done the same thing for Sami's benefit against Carrie. She should have stayed out of it both times, but it wasn't some special slight to Sami. Your original statement was about Sami's family, though, not Marlena. And I don't agree that they don't care about her. If they didn't, they'd have washed their hands of her a long time ago, they wouldn't be concerned about her marriage, and they wouldn't bother even fighting with her. They don't always agree, but they're family.

You haven't derailed the thread. I asked a question and you sort of answered it.
Re: the bolded...yeah, just off the top of my head, Marlena visited or mentioned Sami numerous times while Sami was in that holding cell, and she also said at one point that, while she had many reasons for disliking E.J., she was glad that he was on Sami's side because she was sure that he could help Sami beat the charges.
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Will&Sonny


PALMommy
Jun 19 2014, 11:06 PM
lysie
Jun 19 2014, 10:27 PM
Does Stefano really always say that about revenge?
Lysie, when she said that I wondered if Stefano had EVER actually said that. I wish that if he has said it in the past that someone could find that clip!
It's a very old and very common phrase. I'm sure Stefano has said it at some point on the show. Hell, I'm positive that E.J. alluded to it when he blackmailed Will with the knowledge that Will had shot him -- something E.J. had been holding on to for years. (Because -- wait for it -- revenge is a dish best served cold.)

I didn't find Sami's line to Stefano's portrait the least bit hard to swallow. :shrug:
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Kaha
Jun 20 2014, 07:47 AM
Will&Sonny
Jun 20 2014, 07:08 AM
Some random thoughts, now that I've seen the second half of the episode (although these are all about the first half, ironically):

I realize that I'm probably putting far more thought into this than it deserves, but Victor's comment about Aeschylus doesn't seem to add up exactly. Even if we assume that Victor had been paraphrasing (although that's not what he said), I still can't find anything online that would explain the reference. I think I know what story the reference would have originated in, but I can't find anything that cites it. :shrug:

Anyway, Victor's comment about the "baubles" Kate had received from Stefano had made me think of something -- it would have been neat if Stefano had been sending Kate jewelry that contained hidden listening devices, allowing him to eavesdrop and find out Titan's secrets without anyone knowing how he was doing so.

I wonder if Sami's comment about the weather was supposed to be a hint of this storm that is supposedly headed to Salem? If there is indeed a storm headed to Salem, as opposed to that just being a metaphorical embellishment various sites made up to describe Hurricane Sami.

I've been meaning to complain about this for a while now, but Abby still hasn't acknowledged the fact that she's Arianna's godmother -- something that I've been waiting for her to do in the wake of Gabi's confession and imprisonment.
I missed Victor quoting the great Greek tragedian Aeschylus. What did he say?

Whenever Days writers insert a clever reference into one of their character's dialogue they always mangle the original or it's an inappropriate reference.
He said, "As Aeschylus put it so powerfully, 'Your ass is fired.'"
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Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:35 AM
blueskies
Jun 20 2014, 07:34 AM
yeah, that hug was weird. I really don't have any other comment except I find it weird that they'd hug at all let alone intensely like that.
I know I was thinking the same thing
The hugs was definitely OTT! Why do it in public at the park where
anyone can see them ? Hmmmm
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rae


No....just no to any Marlena and Fauxman!! Really.....can't we have some movement in a J&M story....been waiting forever!!!??
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Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:49 AM
Here what they can do with eve. Eve hating Jennifer because of Frankie dump her because the only woman loved is Jennifer(in 2005 Frankie written he never loved anyone but Jennifer)and she does not ask father help because he would not approve her hiding Frankie child from him and that why she used her former last name so she can hide Paige from Frankie.Eve gave the money to help Jack but with Jack being dead all money goes to Jennifer which she hates so off course she will want her money back.and with Jack and Mickey being dead it easier to claim she still married to Jack even when is not true
If ^^ this is the story TPTB go with , it would at least make some sense lol
So could the plan be to make Paige be Frankie's daughter?
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trojangal
Jun 20 2014, 08:40 AM
Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:49 AM
Here what they can do with eve. Eve hating Jennifer because of Frankie dump her because the only woman loved is Jennifer(in 2005 Frankie written he never loved anyone but Jennifer)and she does not ask father help because he would not approve her hiding Frankie child from him and that why she used her former last name so she can hide Paige from Frankie.Eve gave the money to help Jack but with Jack being dead all money goes to Jennifer which she hates so off course she will want her money back.and with Jack and Mickey being dead it easier to claim she still married to Jack even when is not true
If ^^ this is the story TPTB go with , it would at least make some sense lol
So could the plan be to make Paige be Frankie's daughter?
Yeah it make sense why is Paige goody goody because she her Frankie kid.and Frankie dump eve because he still involve with Jennifer with make current reason eve to hate Jennifer since what I remember when she left she did not had problem with Jennifer.and eve hide she had Frankie kid will explain why she is not in contact with her family.but they should not bring Frankie since I do not Billy and kassie mash well together.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 08:55 AM
trojangal
Jun 20 2014, 08:40 AM
Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:49 AM
Here what they can do with eve. Eve hating Jennifer because of Frankie dump her because the only woman loved is Jennifer(in 2005 Frankie written he never loved anyone but Jennifer)and she does not ask father help because he would not approve her hiding Frankie child from him and that why she used her former last name so she can hide Paige from Frankie.Eve gave the money to help Jack but with Jack being dead all money goes to Jennifer which she hates so off course she will want her money back.and with Jack and Mickey being dead it easier to claim she still married to Jack even when is not true
If ^^ this is the story TPTB go with , it would at least make some sense lol
So could the plan be to make Paige be Frankie's daughter?
Yeah it make sense why is Paige goody goody because she her Frankie kid.and Frankie dump eve because he still involve with Jennifer with make current reason eve to hate Jennifer since what I remember when she left she did not had problem with Jennifer.and eve hide she had Frankie kid will explain why she is not in contact with her family.but they should not bring Frankie since I do not Billy and kassie mash well together.
Yep, it does look like Frankie will be Paige's dad...which actually might be a good twist if they bring Frankie back for the 50th.
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Will&Sonny


Oh -- did anyone else notice that Greg Vaughan botched at least two lines today in ways that made those lines sound completely nonsensical?
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Will&Sonny
Jun 20 2014, 08:59 AM
Oh -- did anyone else notice that Greg Vaughan botched at least two lines today in ways that made those lines sound completely nonsensical?
Was it when Eric was with Daniel
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Will&Sonny


Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 09:12 AM
Will&Sonny
Jun 20 2014, 08:59 AM
Oh -- did anyone else notice that Greg Vaughan botched at least two lines today in ways that made those lines sound completely nonsensical?
Was it when Eric was with Daniel
No -- it was when he was in Nicole's hotel room. First, after his phone conversation with the bishop, he said that the bishop had already started contacting people to "collaborate" the evidence instead of "corroborate" it. Then, before leaving, he told Nicole to take off the engagement ring, which no one -- "including Nicole" -- wanted to see. He should have said "excluding Nicole" there, I'm assuming.
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lysie


Will&Sonny
Jun 20 2014, 08:12 AM
PALMommy
Jun 19 2014, 11:06 PM
lysie
Jun 19 2014, 10:27 PM
Does Stefano really always say that about revenge?
Lysie, when she said that I wondered if Stefano had EVER actually said that. I wish that if he has said it in the past that someone could find that clip!
It's a very old and very common phrase. I'm sure Stefano has said it at some point on the show. Hell, I'm positive that E.J. alluded to it when he blackmailed Will with the knowledge that Will had shot him -- something E.J. had been holding on to for years. (Because -- wait for it -- revenge is a dish best served cold.)

I didn't find Sami's line to Stefano's portrait the least bit hard to swallow. :shrug:
I know it's a common phrase. I just can't imagine it being something Sami hearing Stefano say. She hasn't even been around him that much.
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Mouse Mom


Supergirlx2
Jun 19 2014, 07:34 PM
Dutch19
Jun 19 2014, 06:40 PM
Supergirlx2
Jun 19 2014, 04:28 PM
Dutch19
Jun 19 2014, 01:52 PM
I had no idea there were any elective vocal cord procedures aside from the ones people get to raise their pitch. Maybe Eve is counting on Dr Wonderful to mess up and sue for millions in malpractice?
There are plenty of different types of nodes/nodules that can develop in the throat of those that do a lot of talking/singing/etc. Not all need to be removed by surgery (as some may disappear on their own with rest of the vocal cords).

Note: I'm trying to remember this from memory. Therefore, the factual accuracy of what I wrote may be edited once I have a chance to consult my textbook.
Are you a fellow speechie? :D I just wasn't sure that a nodule surgery would be elective rather than medically necessary. That kind of stuff always confuses me!
It's technically an elective surgery since it's not REALLY necessary. In fact, the writers picking nodules to be what Eve's ENT problem is is stupid from the "going to Dr Dan cause he's an awesome surgeon" perspective. Eve being a singer and having nodules makes sense, but they really shouldn't be being resolved via surgery. That's not the usual course of actions. Of course, we're probably getting too technical. lol. ;)
My husband had nodules on his vocal cords and had surgery. It was elective as it was not threatening his life and could be scheduled at any time. The surgeon thought it did need done in the near future though. He is NOT a singer. He was hoarse all the time and that is what caused him to go see an ear, nose and throat specialist. All we paid was co pay and deductible.
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trojangal
Jun 20 2014, 08:37 AM
Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:35 AM
blueskies
Jun 20 2014, 07:34 AM
yeah, that hug was weird. I really don't have any other comment except I find it weird that they'd hug at all let alone intensely like that.
I know I was thinking the same thing
The hugs was definitely OTT! Why do it in public at the park where
anyone can see them ? Hmmmm
It looked to me like Sami was going to shake Kate's hand and then Kate hugged her. It definitely looked awkward though. At least it was just a quick moment and they didn't linger where people would see them.
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LuvingLumi
Jun 19 2014, 12:20 PM
blueskies
Jun 19 2014, 11:56 AM
EJ's a total idiot if he doesn't even SUSPECT that Sami might know.
Ej's never met this Sami...that is why it fits...she's been an insipid moron ever since they met....I'm glad that at least I'm seeing the Sami I once loved come back to Salem for her last final months.
During that whole scene, when Sami was gushing, all I could think about was how Lucas would be giving her such huge side-eye and would have gotten her alone to find out what she was up to. He would see right through all of her histrionics. Just shows you that EJ really doesn't know Sami at all!
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trojangal
Jun 20 2014, 08:37 AM
Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:35 AM
blueskies
Jun 20 2014, 07:34 AM
yeah, that hug was weird. I really don't have any other comment except I find it weird that they'd hug at all let alone intensely like that.
I know I was thinking the same thing
The hugs was definitely OTT! Why do it in public at the park where
anyone can see them ? Hmmmm
Especially since Stefano always has people watching everyone all the time...not the smartest move for the duo, since they are trying to be so secretive about it!!
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Honeybees
Jun 19 2014, 11:44 AM
EJ wants to know why Kate is mad. Sami says she made Stefano think that they got the formula for something from Kate. EJ is upset that this will make his father suspicious. Sami is all innocent "but we make a perfect team" and she says she would never do anything to break the trust between us. He says you're trouble but he smiles at her and walks away to check on something. Sami when he's gone. "You just do that hotshot, you just do that."
For some reason I loved how Sami called EJ "Hotshot" after he walked away. I guess I'm loving everything about Sami right now, in spite of her being way OTT!
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Mouse Mom


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Jun 20 2014, 12:18 AM
Good ole over the top, putting on her I am queen of the the mansion voice Sami, and she has a big zipper bulging on her butt.
Edit to add: this pic may have to become my wallpaper on my computer. Sami looks like she needs to change her adult diaper.
Edited by Mouse Mom, Jun 20 2014, 11:07 AM.
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Kimba73
Jun 20 2014, 10:14 AM
trojangal
Jun 20 2014, 08:37 AM
Partnersincrime
Jun 20 2014, 07:35 AM
blueskies
Jun 20 2014, 07:34 AM
yeah, that hug was weird. I really don't have any other comment except I find it weird that they'd hug at all let alone intensely like that.
I know I was thinking the same thing
The hugs was definitely OTT! Why do it in public at the park where
anyone can see them ? Hmmmm
It looked to me like Sami was going to shake Kate's hand and then Kate hugged her. It definitely looked awkward though. At least it was just a quick moment and they didn't linger where people would see them.
Definitely looked awkward. They meet in the park, Sami purposefully walks over and they start the hand shake and then hug. And then as Sami walks away Kate had what looked to me like jokes on you Sami look on her face. Will Kate double cross Sami? Oh, and when Sami and Abby are walking away, Sami honey, you should never wear a dress that makes your small behind look like the side of barn and stand next to someone with a much younger and even smaller backside. Just sayin'. And any time a show or move does food fight, my attention wanders, it is stupid. And they were basically just throwing food at Abigail. What was the point? Well there is the fact we got to see Abby looking way better in some of Sami's clothes than Sami would have looked in them.
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

Kimba73
Jun 20 2014, 10:21 AM
LuvingLumi
Jun 19 2014, 12:20 PM
blueskies
Jun 19 2014, 11:56 AM
EJ's a total idiot if he doesn't even SUSPECT that Sami might know.
Ej's never met this Sami...that is why it fits...she's been an insipid moron ever since they met....I'm glad that at least I'm seeing the Sami I once loved come back to Salem for her last final months.
During that whole scene, when Sami was gushing, all I could think about was how Lucas would be giving her such huge side-eye and would have gotten her alone to find out what she was up to. He would see right through all of her histrionics. Just shows you that EJ really doesn't know Sami at all!
I'd love them to rope Lucas into this somehow....maybe have Sami continue to act this way around Ejabby and then have Lucas walk in to pick up Allie or something and witness the OTT behavior and then when Ejabby leave have him get Sami alone and she tries to keep it together and then breaks down and tells him what occurred....it would be an awesome way to have him involved...
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