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Topic Started: Jun 19 2014, 11:33 PM (16,043 Views)
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Jun 21 2014, 04:25 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 01:49 PM
In a recent episode, Paige met Ben in Salem, and Paige insisted that she recognized Ben from a restaurant in Florida. But he denied it, and laughingly said that he must have a doppelganger.. (but obviously he was lying).
We know that Ben and Jordan are siblings but have told nobody in Salem this, except Rafe.
We also know that Jordan has a zillion fake names/IDs.
Many months ago, Jordan was seen living alone with a cat named Alfred.
We just learned that Paige's-dad's-cousin-that-Paige-has-been-living-with ... is named "Joan" and has a cat (because there was odor from the cat's litterbox).
Eve was bothered by Joan's cat's litterbox odor.
Months ago, when Kate broke into Jordan's apartment, Kate's allergies were bothered by the cat hair ...
Question: When was the last time we saw Jordan's apartment? Has Rafe been there recently? Or does Jordan see Rafe only at Rafe's place?
Is there any possibility that Paige has been living with Jordan all this time? I don't think so ... but Jordan and "Joan" are the only two characters with cats. And I am extremely upset that Alfred hasn't been mentioned...or uttered a meow. :(
Good post!
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Jun 21 2014, 04:56 PM
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- leela46
- Jun 21 2014, 02:15 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 02:09 PM
Is it me, or does Casey Moss resemble Billy Warlock?
I hope they don't retcon JJ to be Frankie's.
If they claim that Jack is Paige's father, I can just about guarantee that it will be retconned that Frankie is JJ's dad. There will be months of JJ and Paige thinking they are brother and sister and appalled they almost slept together. Yeah, if Paige is Jack's there's no way they'll keep JJ as Jack's too. It will just be that Jennifer always believed that Jack was JJ's father. Jennifer found out she was pregnant with Jacks baby, JJ in late 2003- gave birth to him in 2004 on Melaswen long before Frankie renturned in 2005. BUT stranger things have happend on DAYS, lol- including bringing all the dead characters back on an island. I would just really hate it if they retconned it, simply because I love Casey Moss portrayal as Jack Deverauxs son :wub:
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Jun 21 2014, 05:22 PM
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You'd think she would have buttoned up before OPENING the door. Unless she looked through the peep hole and saw it was a good looking young guy and she gets off on doing that kind of thing....
The door was already open before he knocked. She left it open because of the cat smell
I don't think that makes it any less awkward. I don't spend time in my apartment with just my bra and underwear on unless I'm in my bathroom or my room getting dressed Eve didn't answer the door in her bra and underwear. She decided, after calling Theresa, that she was going to need a drink before dealing with "that one" -- or, at least, fresh clothes and fresh air. So, to satisfy the "fresh clothes" requirement, she went to change her clothes. When J.J. arrived and knocked on the door (which had been left ajar), she was in the process of buttoning her shirt, and she still had a few buttons undone when she greeted him. It's not like she was half-naked or anything.
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Jun 21 2014, 05:26 PM
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- nananana7
- Jun 21 2014, 01:21 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 12:57 PM
Not that really matters but who the heck is Aunt Joan?
We don't know yet. But apparently Joan is a cousin of Paige's father. We don't know yet who Paige's father is. Paige said this cousin is female, older, gorgeous, and that her mother was concerned that the cousin would be a bad influence on Paige. And Paige said that JJ would like the cousin. All we know is that Paige was sent ahead by Eve -- Paige moved to Salem without her mother Eve. Paige has been living in Salem for the past 6-12 months or so, going to high school ... and staying with the "cousin". Eve just arrived. We just learned Friday that the cousin's name is Joan and is a bad housekeeper. We haven't yet seen Joan onscreen (unless Joan is a current character using a different name or nickname). So Joan is a cousin of Paige's father -- but we don't know if it's a first cousin, or a distant relative informally referred to as a cousin ... or what. Perhaps, in this context, the terminology "aunt" is just an informal nickname for "older female relative"? I dunno. Joan was never referred to as "Aunt Joan". She was referred to as "Cousin Joan". Theresa was referred to as "Aunt Theresa". And when Paige thought that she was about to get another lecture about how Joan was a bad influence, Eve stressed that she had actually been talking about someone in her family -- meaning that Joan isn't a part of Eve's family, she is a part of Paige's father's family, like Paige said herself in an earlier episode. So that's all consistent thus far.
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Jun 21 2014, 05:27 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 01:49 PM
In a recent episode, Paige met Ben in Salem, and Paige insisted that she recognized Ben from a restaurant in Florida. But he denied it, and laughingly said that he must have a doppelganger.. (but obviously he was lying).
We know that Ben and Jordan are siblings but have told nobody in Salem this, except Rafe.
We also know that Jordan has a zillion fake names/IDs.
Many months ago, Jordan was seen living alone with a cat named Alfred.
We just learned that Paige's-dad's-cousin-that-Paige-has-been-living-with ... is named "Joan" and has a cat (because there was odor from the cat's litterbox).
Eve was bothered by Joan's cat's litterbox odor.
Months ago, when Kate broke into Jordan's apartment, Kate's allergies were bothered by the cat hair ...
Question: When was the last time we saw Jordan's apartment? Has Rafe been there recently? Or does Jordan see Rafe only at Rafe's place?
Is there any possibility that Paige has been living with Jordan all this time? I don't think so ... but Jordan and "Joan" are the only two characters with cats.
I too think Jordan is Joan, especially since one of the names "Jordan" has used is Joan Cooper. One of them has to be her real name and why would the writers (for whom subtlety is rarer than the dodo bird) mention two Joans, each with a cat. The ratio of anvils to red herrings on DAYS is a billion to one. Yeah, I was going to mention this, too. When Kate admitted to Jordan that she knew that Jordan had a bunch of aliases, the one alias Kate kept using was Joan Cooper.
When Paige first mentioned that she was living with her cousin, I brought up the possibility that Jordan could be that cousin, and, at the time, that was just based on Paige's description of the cousin and the fact that we have only seen Jordan's bedroom thus far. Now, we're getting even more indications that Jordan is Paige's cousin. The only thing that really contradicts that possibility is the way that Jordan acted when Ben showed up in Salem -- she certainly didn't give any indication at that time that she had other relatives living in Salem. However, Ben's first on-screen appearance did come before Paige's first on-screen appearance -- only a few days before, but still, it did come first. (Jordan saw Ben for the first time at the end of the February 27th episode; two episodes later, on March 3rd, J.J. saw Paige for the first time.) And, of course, Ben might not know about Paige -- that certainly seemed to be the case during their encounter at Will and Sonny's apartment. It would be kind of interesting if Jordan was keeping secrets from everyone, including her own brother.
But there are so many variables to consider in such a situation -- if this is really what's happening, the writers are going to need to start showing us some indication that Jordan doesn't want Rafe or Ben to go to her apartment (and potentially learn that she now has two other women living there with her), for starters, in order for this to be believable. In Ben's case, it wouldn't even be that difficult -- Jordan could just say she doesn't want to risk the chance that someone would see him coming and going from her apartment -- but in Rafe's case, it would be more difficult -- everyone already knows that she's dating Rafe. Of course, if Rafe's hook-up with Kate leads to a break-up with Jordan, problem solved...and perhaps that was the point of the former.
There's also the issue of Arthur. We have had no indication from Jordan that Arthur has died, but Paige said that kitty litter hadn't been in the apartment during her stay there, and she has presumably been living there since at least March. However, Marybeth said that she had seen Paige's mom during the Christmas break, and Cole knew who Paige was, despite the fact that he had been in jail since before March, so Paige has probably been living in Salem -- with Joan -- for quite a bit longer than that. And Arthur was mentioned -- and heard meowing -- in February.
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Jun 21 2014, 05:32 PM
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- nananana7
- Jun 21 2014, 01:49 PM
Is there any possibility that Paige has been living with Jordan all this time? I don't think so ... but Jordan and "Joan" are the only two characters with cats.
- Lori
- Jun 21 2014, 02:59 PM
I too think Jordan is Joan, especially since one of the names "Jordan" has used is Joan Cooper. One of them has to be her real name and why would the writers (for whom subtlety is rarer than the dodo bird) mention two Joans, each with a cat. The ratio of anvils to red herrings on DAYS is a billion to one.
- jam6242
- Jun 21 2014, 04:10 PM
But wouldn't Paige know that Jordan is not going by the name of Joan now? And if Jordan is in some kind of witness protection program how is she openly keeping in contact with cousins?
- jwsel
- Jun 21 2014, 04:13 PM
It shouldn't be the apartment Kate broke into. On the Feb. 7 episode, the apartment had a white door and was number 422. In yesterday's episode, the door is more of a mauve color, looks like it's number 46, and has an intercom/doorbell. The interior, just inside the front door, of the apartment Kate broke into was purple.
So unless Jordan moved since that prior episode or her apartment was completely redone in the last few months, it's not the same place.
Thank you for your replies, everyone. I'm very puzzled.
So if Joan's NOT Jordan ... then ... Who the heck is Joan? Is it somebody already on canvas who is using a nickname we aren't familiar with?
Edit to add: Will&Sonny I just saw your posts. Thanks. I'm still puzzled!
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Jun 21 2014, 06:01 PM
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This has been fun? I love sleuthing.
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Jun 21 2014, 07:52 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 01:49 PM
In a recent episode, Paige met Ben in Salem, and Paige insisted that she recognized Ben from a restaurant in Florida. But he denied it, and laughingly said that he must have a doppelganger.. (but obviously he was lying).
We know that Ben and Jordan are siblings but have told nobody in Salem this, except Rafe.
We also know that Jordan has a zillion fake names/IDs.
Many months ago, Jordan was seen living alone with a cat named Alfred.
We just learned that Paige's-dad's-cousin-that-Paige-has-been-living-with ... is named "Joan" and has a cat (because there was odor from the cat's litterbox).
Eve was bothered by Joan's cat's litterbox odor.
Months ago, when Kate broke into Jordan's apartment, Kate's allergies were bothered by the cat hair ...
Question: When was the last time we saw Jordan's apartment? Has Rafe been there recently? Or does Jordan see Rafe only at Rafe's place?
Is there any possibility that Paige has been living with Jordan all this time? I don't think so ... but Jordan and "Joan" are the only two characters with cats. Joan Cooper was actually one of Jordan's aliases. . . hmmmm!? Very interesting! Wow, I never thought I'd actually BE interested in Jordan's storyline, but now I'm actually intrigued.
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Jun 21 2014, 07:55 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 01:52 PM
I'm actually looking forward to this Eve/Jen/JJ/Paige storyline. As much as we bash the writers I think this is well set up. (Except for including Daniel of course.) I totally think Eve is going to claim that she and Jack were never divorced. So we'll have Eve and Jen who were long time rivals anyway on the opposite sides of a major lawsuit. This creates conflict for JJ and Paige and I can certainly see Bev swooping in and taking advantage of this. I'm guessing Aiden will be Jen's lawyer. so this will give him something to do after the gala. If Eve loses the lawsuit, then they can say that Paige can't afford to go to Stanford now, so she'll be staying in Salem and go to Salem University. I still say that Shane would foot the bill for his granddaughter to go to Stanford, but money problems would be a good excuse for Paige to stay in town.
Ooh,I like your reasoning nananana7. Older gorgeous cousin with a cat. And I don't think we've seen any part of Jordan's apartment except for the bedroom. And Jordan does have lots of aliases. If she is "Joan" is would connect her and Ben to more characters on canvas. I don't think Rafe has been at Jordan's apartment. I hope you're on to something. And her other alias is Ellen Rogers. . . the same LAST name as Ben! Hmmm?
Curse y'alls hides for making me interested in boring 'ole Jordan! :blulaugh:
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Jun 21 2014, 07:58 PM
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this all sounds great but i feel like we're going to be disappointed when Joan isn't Jordan and they never show the real "Joan" onscreen.
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Jun 21 2014, 08:03 PM
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this all sounds great but i feel like we're going to be disappointed when Joan isn't Jordan and they never show the real "Joan" onscreen. That would suck! Maybe we can all just pretend that Cousin Joan went to go visit Mami Hernandez in was it West or South Salem . .. I forget?? :blulaugh:
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Jun 21 2014, 08:22 PM
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- Jun 21 2014, 01:49 PM
In a recent episode, Paige met Ben in Salem, and Paige insisted that she recognized Ben from a restaurant in Florida. But he denied it, and laughingly said that he must have a doppelganger.. (but obviously he was lying).
We know that Ben and Jordan are siblings but have told nobody in Salem this, except Rafe.
We also know that Jordan has a zillion fake names/IDs.
Many months ago, Jordan was seen living alone with a cat named Alfred.
We just learned that Paige's-dad's-cousin-that-Paige-has-been-living-with ... is named "Joan" and has a cat (because there was odor from the cat's litterbox).
Eve was bothered by Joan's cat's litterbox odor.
Months ago, when Kate broke into Jordan's apartment, Kate's allergies were bothered by the cat hair ...
Question: When was the last time we saw Jordan's apartment? Has Rafe been there recently? Or does Jordan see Rafe only at Rafe's place?
Is there any possibility that Paige has been living with Jordan all this time? I don't think so ... but Jordan and "Joan" are the only two characters with cats. I haven't read the entire thread, but didn't Jordan have an id where her name was Joan cooper (I think)? Oh and she has a cat!
Nevermind, I see you all already deduced that! Lol! But I think Jordan is Joan!
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Jun 21 2014, 08:32 PM
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You are right, the home they had in Salem is now the Dimera Mansion, but Donovan Manor is in London, and is Shane's family estate - which apparently no one in the family has ever visited. :drunk: I believe Theresa said she hasn't been to Europe and I think Paige did, too. She was real interested in JJ's time there. I think that's what I recall, I really didn't pay attention to their conversations. If I had known at the time she was a Donovan, I probably would have paid more attention. ;)
I think Theresa has been to Europe. I'm not sure where in Europe, but it vaguely remember Kimberly took her to Europe with Marlena back in 1993 because when they got home Marlena decided she had to get a blood test when it was revealed Jeanie contracted something dangerous to children (don't remember what) and Marlena was pregnant. I could be wrong though--I'd have to go check my tapes.
It's a little more than that. When Kim suffered MPD, her alter arranged to send Andrew and Jeannie to live with Shane at Donovan Manor. That was in October 1992, just a few weeks after Shane left Salem. Kim visited the kids in England in the summer of 1993 with Marlena, right before Kim left Salem for good. (The kids remained in England.) When Marlena returned, she got a call that Jeannie had been infected with measles, which caused a scare during Marlena's pregnancy with Belle. So not only has Jeannie been to Europe; she lived there for at least nine months that we know about, and probably even longer. We have no idea when Jeannie moved to Los Angeles to live with Kim. Just to clarify, what is frustrating to me is that Paige and Theresa have said or implied that they have not been to Europe, when I know that according to cannon, at least Jeannie/Theresa has been to Donovan Manor, even if she can't remember it. Also, my ongoing issue is that the writers have created characters who are immediate relatives/heirs to Shane Donovan and who supposedly have never visited their ancestral home. Maybe it's too early for explanations, but at bare minimum there should be one for why they both don't have any money. It just makes no sense. Much the same way they are ignoring that Sami is now living in what used to be their house and John, who once considered Theresa his niece, now acts like he basically has never seen her before. For that matter, has Marlena even said a word to her? At one time, she Shane and Kim were very close, if nothing else you would think that Kim would have reached out to Marlena asking for help with her extremely troubled daughter. When all is said and done, Marlena has a lot of experience in the area of problem daughters... or maybe not. (LOL) if nothing else, Kim could probably use the empathy.
I have to admit, the Jordan being related to Paige possibility is intriguing, I guess we'll find out this month, one way or the other? Although, it is funny if Jordan turns out to be Joan, that they spent so much time and detail setting the ground work of this, but they can't take the time to explain why Theresa and Eve are broke, whatever.... :headbang:
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Jun 21 2014, 08:38 PM
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I think Jordan is boring Paige's cousin or maybe that's where the writers were going before they changed the s/l. I think Eve is connected to Ben and Jordan. She probably knows their secret but her daughter doesn't know anything. Maybe Jordan is not as sweet as she presents. The mystery man might be Paige's father and Jordan and Ben's father.
Eve judging Theresa is rich. Unless the show informs me that Theresa murdered people in cold blood, and was involved in a scheme to bilk retirees out of their savings, I am gonna be side eyeing the show for addiction shaming. I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little bit over hearing everyone slamming Theresa without showing us a tangible reason for their feelings. I know, we saw Theresa do bad stuff, but most of those people don't know about that stuff.
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Jun 21 2014, 08:47 PM
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I think Theresa has been to Europe. I'm not sure where in Europe, but it vaguely remember Kimberly took her to Europe with Marlena back in 1993 because when they got home Marlena decided she had to get a blood test when it was revealed Jeanie contracted something dangerous to children (don't remember what) and Marlena was pregnant. I could be wrong though--I'd have to go check my tapes.
It's a little more than that. When Kim suffered MPD, her alter arranged to send Andrew and Jeannie to live with Shane at Donovan Manor. That was in October 1992, just a few weeks after Shane left Salem. Kim visited the kids in England in the summer of 1993 with Marlena, right before Kim left Salem for good. (The kids remained in England.) When Marlena returned, she got a call that Jeannie had been infected with measles, which caused a scare during Marlena's pregnancy with Belle. So not only has Jeannie been to Europe; she lived there for at least nine months that we know about, and probably even longer. We have no idea when Jeannie moved to Los Angeles to live with Kim.
Just to clarify, what is frustrating to me is that Paige and Theresa have said or implied that they have not been to Europe, when I know that according to cannon, at least Jeannie/Theresa has been to Donovan Manor, even if she can't remember it. Also, my ongoing issue is that the writers have created characters who are immediate relatives/heirs to Shane Donovan and who supposedly have never visited their ancestral home. Maybe it's too early for explanations, but at bare minimum there should be one for why they both don't have any money. It just makes no sense. Much the same way they are ignoring that Sami is now living in what used to be their house and John, who once considered Theresa his niece, now acts like he basically has never seen her before. For that matter, has Marlena even said a word to her? At one time, she Shane and Kim were very close, if nothing else you would think that Kim would have reached out to Marlena asking for help with her extremely troubled daughter. When all is said and done, Marlena has a lot of experience in the area of problem daughters... or maybe not. (LOL) if nothing else, Kim could probably use the empathy. I have to admit, the Jordan being related to Paige possibility is intriguing, I guess we'll find out this month, one way or the other? Although, it is funny if Jordan turns out to be Joan, that they spent so much time and detail setting the ground work of this, but they can't take the time to explain why Theresa and Eve are broke, whatever.... :headbang: I still think they've already done a good job of explaining why Theresa is "broke". It's pretty simple, really. Shane and Kim are still alive, so their family fortune is theirs, not Theresa's. Theresa is an adult -- one who has proven to be less than wise about her spending habits -- so it makes perfect sense that they would want her to make her own way in life instead of just handing her the keys to the family bank account. Plenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:
The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?:
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It's a little more than that. When Kim suffered MPD, her alter arranged to send Andrew and Jeannie to live with Shane at Donovan Manor. That was in October 1992, just a few weeks after Shane left Salem. Kim visited the kids in England in the summer of 1993 with Marlena, right before Kim left Salem for good. (The kids remained in England.) When Marlena returned, she got a call that Jeannie had been infected with measles, which caused a scare during Marlena's pregnancy with Belle. So not only has Jeannie been to Europe; she lived there for at least nine months that we know about, and probably even longer. We have no idea when Jeannie moved to Los Angeles to live with Kim.
Just to clarify, what is frustrating to me is that Paige and Theresa have said or implied that they have not been to Europe, when I know that according to cannon, at least Jeannie/Theresa has been to Donovan Manor, even if she can't remember it. Also, my ongoing issue is that the writers have created characters who are immediate relatives/heirs to Shane Donovan and who supposedly have never visited their ancestral home. Maybe it's too early for explanations, but at bare minimum there should be one for why they both don't have any money. It just makes no sense. Much the same way they are ignoring that Sami is now living in what used to be their house and John, who once considered Theresa his niece, now acts like he basically has never seen her before. For that matter, has Marlena even said a word to her? At one time, she Shane and Kim were very close, if nothing else you would think that Kim would have reached out to Marlena asking for help with her extremely troubled daughter. When all is said and done, Marlena has a lot of experience in the area of problem daughters... or maybe not. (LOL) if nothing else, Kim could probably use the empathy. I have to admit, the Jordan being related to Paige possibility is intriguing, I guess we'll find out this month, one way or the other? Although, it is funny if Jordan turns out to be Joan, that they spent so much time and detail setting the ground work of this, but they can't take the time to explain why Theresa and Eve are broke, whatever.... :headbang:
I still think they've already done a good job of explaining why Theresa is "broke". It's pretty simple, really. Shane and Kim are still alive, so their family fortune is theirs, not Theresa's. Theresa is an adult -- one who has proven to be less than wise about her spending habits -- so it makes perfect sense that they would want her to make her own way in life instead of just handing her the keys to the family bank account. Plenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?: I think with Theresa it's the "have not" attidude. I can understand parents limitting a child's access to funds, especially when that child is as irresponsible as Theresa, but the way Theresa talks it's like she came from the wrong side of the tracks. She always wanted to visit Europe but somehow she never had the means, she always longed for expensive things and envied her friends who had those things. That doesn't make sense when you consider her family's background. And she says these things to people who supposed to know her family.
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It's a little more than that. When Kim suffered MPD, her alter arranged to send Andrew and Jeannie to live with Shane at Donovan Manor. That was in October 1992, just a few weeks after Shane left Salem. Kim visited the kids in England in the summer of 1993 with Marlena, right before Kim left Salem for good. (The kids remained in England.) When Marlena returned, she got a call that Jeannie had been infected with measles, which caused a scare during Marlena's pregnancy with Belle. So not only has Jeannie been to Europe; she lived there for at least nine months that we know about, and probably even longer. We have no idea when Jeannie moved to Los Angeles to live with Kim.
Just to clarify, what is frustrating to me is that Paige and Theresa have said or implied that they have not been to Europe, when I know that according to cannon, at least Jeannie/Theresa has been to Donovan Manor, even if she can't remember it. Also, my ongoing issue is that the writers have created characters who are immediate relatives/heirs to Shane Donovan and who supposedly have never visited their ancestral home. Maybe it's too early for explanations, but at bare minimum there should be one for why they both don't have any money. It just makes no sense. Much the same way they are ignoring that Sami is now living in what used to be their house and John, who once considered Theresa his niece, now acts like he basically has never seen her before. For that matter, has Marlena even said a word to her? At one time, she Shane and Kim were very close, if nothing else you would think that Kim would have reached out to Marlena asking for help with her extremely troubled daughter. When all is said and done, Marlena has a lot of experience in the area of problem daughters... or maybe not. (LOL) if nothing else, Kim could probably use the empathy. I have to admit, the Jordan being related to Paige possibility is intriguing, I guess we'll find out this month, one way or the other? Although, it is funny if Jordan turns out to be Joan, that they spent so much time and detail setting the ground work of this, but they can't take the time to explain why Theresa and Eve are broke, whatever.... :headbang:
I still think they've already done a good job of explaining why Theresa is "broke". It's pretty simple, really. Shane and Kim are still alive, so their family fortune is theirs, not Theresa's. Theresa is an adult -- one who has proven to be less than wise about her spending habits -- so it makes perfect sense that they would want her to make her own way in life instead of just handing her the keys to the family bank account. Plenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?: The only time Eve ever schemed to get money was when she married Jack -- and the scheme was to get money that Nick had left to her in his will. She never schemed to take money from anyone else.
And the complaint that many of us have about Eve's and Theresa's cries of poverty are that they are not explained, let alone that now we have the prospect of Eve being unable to afford surgery and Paige being unable to afford college. The costs of those would be nothing for Shane. In fact, it's pretty absurd that Shane is willing to let his minor grand-daughter live with some cousin in Salem instead of having her at a fancy boarding school or at Donovan Manor. (Paige also could claim British citizenship through Eve, who is a British citizen, having been born in the UK with at least one British parent.)
Turning to Theresa, the assumption is that she has been cut off from any family funds. Fine. Maybe that could be mentioned. However, we have heard Theresa moan about being the poorer kid among her peers. That makes no sense given Shane's wealth and the fact that Phillip Collier, who we believe was Kim's husband for many years, was a millionaire Hollywood producer with a Beverly Hills mansion. Frankly, it would make a lot more sense if the show said that Theresa had a lot of money and a trust fund, but that was cut off because of the trouble she got into -- and now she is trying to get back the creature comforts she always had.
The problem is that those purse-strings could easily be a good way for Shane and Kim to help Theresa. If they had Kayla or Marlena controlling some of Theresa's money, they could make sure she has a safe place to live and give Theresa some oversight. That might have avoided the silly embezzling plot. Plus, the writers could have given us a character who might interact with Theresa in a non-judgmental way.
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Just to clarify, what is frustrating to me is that Paige and Theresa have said or implied that they have not been to Europe, when I know that according to cannon, at least Jeannie/Theresa has been to Donovan Manor, even if she can't remember it. Also, my ongoing issue is that the writers have created characters who are immediate relatives/heirs to Shane Donovan and who supposedly have never visited their ancestral home. Maybe it's too early for explanations, but at bare minimum there should be one for why they both don't have any money. It just makes no sense. Much the same way they are ignoring that Sami is now living in what used to be their house and John, who once considered Theresa his niece, now acts like he basically has never seen her before. For that matter, has Marlena even said a word to her? At one time, she Shane and Kim were very close, if nothing else you would think that Kim would have reached out to Marlena asking for help with her extremely troubled daughter. When all is said and done, Marlena has a lot of experience in the area of problem daughters... or maybe not. (LOL) if nothing else, Kim could probably use the empathy. I have to admit, the Jordan being related to Paige possibility is intriguing, I guess we'll find out this month, one way or the other? Although, it is funny if Jordan turns out to be Joan, that they spent so much time and detail setting the ground work of this, but they can't take the time to explain why Theresa and Eve are broke, whatever.... :headbang:
I still think they've already done a good job of explaining why Theresa is "broke". It's pretty simple, really. Shane and Kim are still alive, so their family fortune is theirs, not Theresa's. Theresa is an adult -- one who has proven to be less than wise about her spending habits -- so it makes perfect sense that they would want her to make her own way in life instead of just handing her the keys to the family bank account. Plenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?:
The only time Eve ever schemed to get money was when she married Jack -- and the scheme was to get money that Nick had left to her in his will. She never schemed to take money from anyone else. And the complaint that many of us have about Eve's and Theresa's cries of poverty are that they are not explained, let alone that now we have the prospect of Eve being unable to afford surgery and Paige being unable to afford college. The costs of those would be nothing for Shane. In fact, it's pretty absurd that Shane is willing to let his minor grand-daughter live with some cousin in Salem instead of having her at a fancy boarding school or at Donovan Manor. (Paige also could claim British citizenship through Eve, who is a British citizen, having been born in the UK with at least one British parent.) Turning to Theresa, the assumption is that she has been cut off from any family funds. Fine. Maybe that could be mentioned. However, we have heard Theresa moan about being the poorer kid among her peers. That makes no sense given Shane's wealth and the fact that Phillip Collier, who we believe was Kim's husband for many years, was a millionaire Hollywood producer with a Beverly Hills mansion. Frankly, it would make a lot more sense if the show said that Theresa had a lot of money and a trust fund, but that was cut off because of the trouble she got into -- and now she is trying to get back the creature comforts she always had. The problem is that those purse-strings could easily be a good way for Shane and Kim to help Theresa. If they had Kayla or Marlena controlling some of Theresa's money, they could make sure she has a safe place to live and give Theresa some oversight. That might have avoided the silly embezzling plot. Plus, the writers could have given us a character who might interact with Theresa in a non-judgmental way. Exactly! I have no problem with the idea that Theresa has been cut off from the family wealth given that she's an adult, has issues with substance abuse and appears pretty lazy and manipulative. But I don't understand the implication that she grew up poor, when both her father and mother were people of means. If she says that the Donovans have a strict austerity policy with their kids, as some wealthy families do, then I'll understand.
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I think there might be a strong possibility that maybe Eve has cut off ties not only with Kim and her half-siblings but also with her father. Maybe something happened between Eve and Shane over the 20 year period that she was away from Salem and that's why Eve is not even bothering to ask Shane for money and she is depending on the possible profits from Jack's book and the nodules surgery so Paige can go to college.
Speaking of Eve, funny story: there was a singer named Bonnie Tyler that had to have surgery for her nodules before her career went big and she defied doctors' orders. This caused her voice to become really raspy and hoarse, and she thought her career was over. Instead, it launched her into superstardom. How about them apples?
Anyways, I think the whole cousin Joan/Jordan theory is really intriguing and might give more depth to Jordan's story, but I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
Knowing the writers and their stupidity as of late, this whole cousin Joan thing will probably turn out to be a big nothing. And also, I have thought for the past couple of months that maybe Eve might be Ben and Jordan's mom, but now I'm not so sure anymore. I'm even wondering if they'll even reveal who their mom is or if it will forever remain a mystery.
And I'll bet you 20 dollars that Paige will probably be revealed to be Jack's father and then Paige and J.J. will be freaking out about being siblings and being in love with each other and then they'll probably retcon J.J.'s paternity to be Frankie's son so J.J. and Paige can remain together. I don't think there is any use for Bev other than being the interloper in their romance, so it's probably only a matter of time before Bev does something that lands her in prison or she goes nuts.
If they made Parker to be Philip's son and then changed his paternity for him to be Daniel's kid, then I won't put it past the writers to do the very same thing to J.J. Just you wait.
I wouldn't mind Paige to be Frankie's daughter but we all know that will never happen. Paige would most likely end up being the daughter of that Ozarks guy, Clyde/Jeremiah/whoever the fuck he is. And she might turn out to be Ben and Jordan's paternal half-sister through him.
Like I said, the whole cousin Joan thing may turn out to be a useless red herring but I might be surprised if I'm proven wrong. But then again, I'm better off being cynical.
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It's a little more than that. When Kim suffered MPD, her alter arranged to send Andrew and Jeannie to live with Shane at Donovan Manor. That was in October 1992, just a few weeks after Shane left Salem. Kim visited the kids in England in the summer of 1993 with Marlena, right before Kim left Salem for good. (The kids remained in England.) When Marlena returned, she got a call that Jeannie had been infected with measles, which caused a scare during Marlena's pregnancy with Belle. So not only has Jeannie been to Europe; she lived there for at least nine months that we know about, and probably even longer. We have no idea when Jeannie moved to Los Angeles to live with Kim.
Just to clarify, what is frustrating to me is that Paige and Theresa have said or implied that they have not been to Europe, when I know that according to cannon, at least Jeannie/Theresa has been to Donovan Manor, even if she can't remember it. Also, my ongoing issue is that the writers have created characters who are immediate relatives/heirs to Shane Donovan and who supposedly have never visited their ancestral home. Maybe it's too early for explanations, but at bare minimum there should be one for why they both don't have any money. It just makes no sense. Much the same way they are ignoring that Sami is now living in what used to be their house and John, who once considered Theresa his niece, now acts like he basically has never seen her before. For that matter, has Marlena even said a word to her? At one time, she Shane and Kim were very close, if nothing else you would think that Kim would have reached out to Marlena asking for help with her extremely troubled daughter. When all is said and done, Marlena has a lot of experience in the area of problem daughters... or maybe not. (LOL) if nothing else, Kim could probably use the empathy. I have to admit, the Jordan being related to Paige possibility is intriguing, I guess we'll find out this month, one way or the other? Although, it is funny if Jordan turns out to be Joan, that they spent so much time and detail setting the ground work of this, but they can't take the time to explain why Theresa and Eve are broke, whatever.... :headbang:
I still think they've already done a good job of explaining why Theresa is "broke". It's pretty simple, really. Shane and Kim are still alive, so their family fortune is theirs, not Theresa's. Theresa is an adult -- one who has proven to be less than wise about her spending habits -- so it makes perfect sense that they would want her to make her own way in life instead of just handing her the keys to the family bank account. Plenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?: Theresa seems to imply that she comes from a less than affluent background.
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