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Friday, June 20th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jun 19 2014, 11:33 PM (16,042 Views)
Rosebud
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Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
I think there might be a strong possibility that maybe Eve has cut off ties not only with Kim and her half-siblings but also with her father.
I thought on Fridays show Eve said that Shane had asked her to look in on Theresa? I guess Shane thinks Eve is an upstanding responsible type woman ^o)
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Honeybees
Jun 21 2014, 09:49 PM
jwsel
Jun 21 2014, 09:41 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 08:47 PM
Donovanfan
Jun 21 2014, 08:32 PM

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I still think they've already done a good job of explaining why Theresa is "broke". It's pretty simple, really. Shane and Kim are still alive, so their family fortune is theirs, not Theresa's. Theresa is an adult -- one who has proven to be less than wise about her spending habits -- so it makes perfect sense that they would want her to make her own way in life instead of just handing her the keys to the family bank account. Plenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:

The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?:
The only time Eve ever schemed to get money was when she married Jack -- and the scheme was to get money that Nick had left to her in his will. She never schemed to take money from anyone else.

And the complaint that many of us have about Eve's and Theresa's cries of poverty are that they are not explained, let alone that now we have the prospect of Eve being unable to afford surgery and Paige being unable to afford college. The costs of those would be nothing for Shane. In fact, it's pretty absurd that Shane is willing to let his minor grand-daughter live with some cousin in Salem instead of having her at a fancy boarding school or at Donovan Manor. (Paige also could claim British citizenship through Eve, who is a British citizen, having been born in the UK with at least one British parent.)

Turning to Theresa, the assumption is that she has been cut off from any family funds. Fine. Maybe that could be mentioned. However, we have heard Theresa moan about being the poorer kid among her peers. That makes no sense given Shane's wealth and the fact that Phillip Collier, who we believe was Kim's husband for many years, was a millionaire Hollywood producer with a Beverly Hills mansion. Frankly, it would make a lot more sense if the show said that Theresa had a lot of money and a trust fund, but that was cut off because of the trouble she got into -- and now she is trying to get back the creature comforts she always had.

The problem is that those purse-strings could easily be a good way for Shane and Kim to help Theresa. If they had Kayla or Marlena controlling some of Theresa's money, they could make sure she has a safe place to live and give Theresa some oversight. That might have avoided the silly embezzling plot. Plus, the writers could have given us a character who might interact with Theresa in a non-judgmental way.
Exactly! I have no problem with the idea that Theresa has been cut off from the family wealth given that she's an adult, has issues with substance abuse and appears pretty lazy and manipulative. But I don't understand the implication that she grew up poor, when both her father and mother were people of means. If she says that the Donovans have a strict austerity policy with their kids, as some wealthy families do, then I'll understand.
I guess that just never bothered me. Theresa's idea of wealth could be completely different than my idea of wealth or your idea of wealth. That's often the case with people of wealth, anyway. She might indeed have been the least-wealthy kid in her social circle when she was growing up, or she might have been "deprived" of the flashy, expensive items her friends had received from their parents because her parents might have tried hard (perhaps too hard?) to avoid spoiling her. Hope strikes me as the same kind of parent, since she made such a big deal about those expensive earrings Sami bought Ciara. She seems like the kind of parent who could afford to buy Ciara a new car for the girl's sixteenth birthday but might instead decide to buy her a used car because that's "good enough" and she doesn't want to spoil the kid. And Ciara seems like the kind of kid who would resent that and complain that she had received less than her friends had received from their parents. In fact, I could easily see Ciara growing up to be just like Theresa, in that sense -- always wanting the finer things in life and complaining that she had never had them as a child.

Anyway, I guess they've just already said enough about the matter to satisfy me. :shrug: I don't really need it spelled out further -- I'm fine with filling in the blanks in this case, because these are fairly common occurrences in the real world, so they don't seem like much of a stretch to me at all -- but if you two want or need more of an explanation, fair enough. Hopefully you'll get that explanation eventually, since that would settle the debate for good.
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Rosebud
Jun 21 2014, 10:19 PM
Renaissance Girl
Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
I think there might be a strong possibility that maybe Eve has cut off ties not only with Kim and her half-siblings but also with her father.
I thought on Fridays show Eve said that Shane had asked her to look in on Theresa? I guess Shane thinks Eve is an upstanding responsible type woman ^o)
Yeah, Shane asked Eve to check on Theresa. And Eve said she "couldn't say no to him", implying that she cares about pleasing him...which means that they probably have a good relationship with each other at this time.
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Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
And I'll bet you 20 dollars that Paige will probably be revealed to be Jack's father[...]
A bold bet, since Paige is a female and is quite a bit younger than Jack. ;)
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I've said this before, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, but personally, I'd love to see a storyline where J.J. and Paige are biological siblings, do find out about this, do confirm that it's really true, and still decide to be with each other regardless. The heart wants what the heart wants. It's good drama. And it's different. I'd love to see it happen.

But it probably won't, because it's too much of a taboo.
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Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 10:35 PM
Renaissance Girl
Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
And I'll bet you 20 dollars that Paige will probably be revealed to be Jack's father[...]
A bold bet, since Paige is a female and is quite a bit younger than Jack. ;)
Oops! My mistake. I actually meant to say that Paige is probably going to be Jack's daughter. Stupid me... sometimes I type something and my brain is somewhere else and I don't realize what I type until it's too late. It's almost like my fingers and my brain are disconnected. Anyways, typo withstanding, I still stand by the bet that Jack will be Paige's father.
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Jun 21 2014, 10:44 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 10:35 PM
Renaissance Girl
Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
And I'll bet you 20 dollars that Paige will probably be revealed to be Jack's father[...]
A bold bet, since Paige is a female and is quite a bit younger than Jack. ;)
Oops! My mistake. I actually meant to say that Paige is probably going to be Jack's daughter. Stupid me... sometimes I type something and my brain is somewhere else and I don't realize what I type until it's too late. It's almost like my fingers and my brain are disconnected. Anyways, typo withstanding, I still stand by the bet that Jack will be Paige's father.
Heck no! Don't apologize - that would be an epic twist that no one would see coming! :blulaugh:
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Jun 21 2014, 10:44 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 10:35 PM
Renaissance Girl
Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
And I'll bet you 20 dollars that Paige will probably be revealed to be Jack's father[...]
A bold bet, since Paige is a female and is quite a bit younger than Jack. ;)
Oops! My mistake. I actually meant to say that Paige is probably going to be Jack's daughter. Stupid me... sometimes I type something and my brain is somewhere else and I don't realize what I type until it's too late. It's almost like my fingers and my brain are disconnected. Anyways, typo withstanding, I still stand by the bet that Jack will be Paige's father.
Don't you know that Paige will turn out to be Dr.Tan's daughter? Paige is what 18 years old so to help pay off medial school's loans Dr.Dan went to sperm banks. You all know it will happen and poor Tan has another child he knew nothing about.He will be so sad that he missed out on gettting to watch her grow up so everyone will feel sorry for him and blame Eve.
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Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 10:26 PM
Honeybees
Jun 21 2014, 09:49 PM
jwsel
Jun 21 2014, 09:41 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 08:47 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepPlenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:

The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now. :huh?:
The only time Eve ever schemed to get money was when she married Jack -- and the scheme was to get money that Nick had left to her in his will. She never schemed to take money from anyone else.

And the complaint that many of us have about Eve's and Theresa's cries of poverty are that they are not explained, let alone that now we have the prospect of Eve being unable to afford surgery and Paige being unable to afford college. The costs of those would be nothing for Shane. In fact, it's pretty absurd that Shane is willing to let his minor grand-daughter live with some cousin in Salem instead of having her at a fancy boarding school or at Donovan Manor. (Paige also could claim British citizenship through Eve, who is a British citizen, having been born in the UK with at least one British parent.)

Turning to Theresa, the assumption is that she has been cut off from any family funds. Fine. Maybe that could be mentioned. However, we have heard Theresa moan about being the poorer kid among her peers. That makes no sense given Shane's wealth and the fact that Phillip Collier, who we believe was Kim's husband for many years, was a millionaire Hollywood producer with a Beverly Hills mansion. Frankly, it would make a lot more sense if the show said that Theresa had a lot of money and a trust fund, but that was cut off because of the trouble she got into -- and now she is trying to get back the creature comforts she always had.

The problem is that those purse-strings could easily be a good way for Shane and Kim to help Theresa. If they had Kayla or Marlena controlling some of Theresa's money, they could make sure she has a safe place to live and give Theresa some oversight. That might have avoided the silly embezzling plot. Plus, the writers could have given us a character who might interact with Theresa in a non-judgmental way.
Exactly! I have no problem with the idea that Theresa has been cut off from the family wealth given that she's an adult, has issues with substance abuse and appears pretty lazy and manipulative. But I don't understand the implication that she grew up poor, when both her father and mother were people of means. If she says that the Donovans have a strict austerity policy with their kids, as some wealthy families do, then I'll understand.
I guess that just never bothered me. Theresa's idea of wealth could be completely different than my idea of wealth or your idea of wealth. That's often the case with people of wealth, anyway. She might indeed have been the least-wealthy kid in her social circle when she was growing up, or she might have been "deprived" of the flashy, expensive items her friends had received from their parents because her parents might have tried hard (perhaps too hard?) to avoid spoiling her. Hope strikes me as the same kind of parent, since she made such a big deal about those expensive earrings Sami bought Ciara. She seems like the kind of parent who could afford to buy Ciara a new car for the girl's sixteenth birthday but might instead decide to buy her a used car because that's "good enough" and she doesn't want to spoil the kid. And Ciara seems like the kind of kid who would resent that and complain that she had received less than her friends had received from their parents. In fact, I could easily see Ciara growing up to be just like Theresa, in that sense -- always wanting the finer things in life and complaining that she had never had them as a child.

Anyway, I guess they've just already said enough about the matter to satisfy me. :shrug: I don't really need it spelled out further -- I'm fine with filling in the blanks in this case, because these are fairly common occurrences in the real world, so they don't seem like much of a stretch to me at all -- but if you two want or need more of an explanation, fair enough. Hopefully you'll get that explanation eventually, since that would settle the debate for good.
Honey... you have no idea what "my idea" of wealth is - and I can assure you I've been around plenty of wealthy families in my life and seen wealth handled in many different ways. I don't need a lecture on how it's handled in the real world.

I'm just going off the text the writers gave us, and I stand by the fact that the writing for Theresa's motives has been bizarre, given what we have seen through decades on this show.
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WillFan
Jun 21 2014, 11:05 PM
Renaissance Girl
Jun 21 2014, 10:44 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 10:35 PM
Renaissance Girl
Jun 21 2014, 09:58 PM
And I'll bet you 20 dollars that Paige will probably be revealed to be Jack's father[...]
A bold bet, since Paige is a female and is quite a bit younger than Jack. ;)
Oops! My mistake. I actually meant to say that Paige is probably going to be Jack's daughter. Stupid me... sometimes I type something and my brain is somewhere else and I don't realize what I type until it's too late. It's almost like my fingers and my brain are disconnected. Anyways, typo withstanding, I still stand by the bet that Jack will be Paige's father.
Don't you know that Paige will turn out to be Dr.Tan's daughter? Paige is what 18 years old so to help pay off medial school's loans Dr.Dan went to sperm banks. You all know it will happen and poor Tan has another child he knew nothing about.He will be so sad that he missed out on gettting to watch her grow up so everyone will feel sorry for him and blame Eve.
I will literally have an aneurysm the day they do that. Seriously, why can't Daniel stop stealing other people's kids? Damn!
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Honeybees
Jun 21 2014, 11:09 PM
Will&Sonny
Jun 21 2014, 10:26 PM
Honeybees
Jun 21 2014, 09:49 PM
jwsel
Jun 21 2014, 09:41 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepPlenty of families do this in the "real world". I don't understand why this has always been such a sticking point with some viewers. :shrug:

The same goes for Eve, except for the fact that we can't say the same about her spending habits yet...but still, her family's fortune does not yet belong to her. And I find it ironic that all of this discussion has occurred here lately about how Eve schemed in the past to get money, but people apparently didn't have a problem with her scheming to get money instead of falling back on the family fortune then, and they suddenly do now
Exactly! I have no problem with the idea that Theresa has been cut off from the family wealth given that she's an adult, has issues with substance abuse and appears pretty lazy and manipulative. But I don't understand the implication that she grew up poor, when both her father and mother were people of means. If she says that the Donovans have a strict austerity policy with their kids, as some wealthy families do, then I'll understand.
I guess that just never bothered me. Theresa's idea of wealth could be completely different than my idea of wealth or your idea of wealth. That's often the case with people of wealth, anyway. She might indeed have been the least-wealthy kid in her social circle when she was growing up, or she might have been "deprived" of the flashy, expensive items her friends had received from their parents because her parents might have tried hard (perhaps too hard?) to avoid spoiling her. Hope strikes me as the same kind of parent, since she made such a big deal about those expensive earrings Sami bought Ciara. She seems like the kind of parent who could afford to buy Ciara a new car for the girl's sixteenth birthday but might instead decide to buy her a used car because that's "good enough" and she doesn't want to spoil the kid. And Ciara seems like the kind of kid who would resent that and complain that she had received less than her friends had received from their parents. In fact, I could easily see Ciara growing up to be just like Theresa, in that sense -- always wanting the finer things in life and complaining that she had never had them as a child.

Anyway, I guess they've just already said enough about the matter to satisfy me. :shrug: I don't really need it spelled out further -- I'm fine with filling in the blanks in this case, because these are fairly common occurrences in the real world, so they don't seem like much of a stretch to me at all -- but if you two want or need more of an explanation, fair enough. Hopefully you'll get that explanation eventually, since that would settle the debate for good.
Honey... you have no idea what "my idea" of wealth is - and I can assure you I've been around plenty of wealthy families in my life and seen wealth handled in many different ways. I don't need a lecture on how it's handled in the real world.

I'm just going off the text the writers gave us, and I stand by the fact that the writing for Theresa's motives has been bizarre, given what we have seen through decades on this show.
I wasn't lecturing anyone -- merely pointing out a fact -- but if that's how you took it, sorry about that.
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quote=jwsel,Jun 21 2014, 04:13 PM]
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Jun 21 2014, 03:49 PM
nananana7
Jun 21 2014, 01:49 PM
In a recent episode, Paige met Ben in Salem, and Paige insisted that she recognized Ben from a restaurant in Florida. But he denied it, and laughingly said that he must have a doppelganger.. (but obviously he was lying).

We know that Ben and Jordan are siblings but have told nobody in Salem this, except Rafe.

We also know that Jordan has a zillion fake names/IDs.

Many months ago, Jordan was seen living alone with a cat named Alfred.

We just learned that
Paige's-dad's-cousin-that-Paige-has-been-living-with ...
is named "Joan" and has a cat (because there was odor from the cat's litterbox).

Eve was bothered by Joan's cat's litterbox odor.

Months ago, when Kate broke into Jordan's apartment, Kate's allergies were bothered by the cat hair ...

Question: When was the last time we saw Jordan's apartment? Has Rafe been there recently? Or does Jordan see Rafe only at Rafe's place?

Is there any possibility that Paige has been living with Jordan all this time?
I don't think so ...
but Jordan and "Joan" are the only two characters with cats.
Oh okay, so there's more to this. Good to know, thanks!
It shouldn't be the apartment Kate broke into. On the Feb. 7 episode, the apartment had a white door and was number 422. In yesterday's episode, the door is more of a mauve color, looks like it's number 46, and has an intercom/doorbell. The interior, just inside the front door, of the apartment Kate broke into was purple.

So unless Jordan moved since that prior episode or her apartment was completely redone in the last few months, it's not the same place.[/quote]This post is the reason I love this site.Where else can you find people who remember sheets from twenty years ago,a camel colored jacket from ten years ago,and the white door of Jordan's apartment along with apartment number although I do believe the name of Jordan's cat was Arthur.You all amaze me.
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Jun 22 2014, 12:27 AM
I love this site.Where else can you find people who remember sheets from twenty years ago,a camel colored jacket from then years ago,and the white door of Jordan's apartment along with apartment number although I do believe the name of Jordan's cat was Arthur.You all amaze me.

And you remember things, too.

You are right -- Jordan's cat is ARTHUR, not Alfred. I stand corrected. Thank you!
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nananana7
Jun 22 2014, 12:34 AM
BeeBee
Jun 22 2014, 12:27 AM
I love this site.Where else can you find people who remember sheets from twenty years ago,a camel colored jacket from then years ago,and the white door of Jordan's apartment along with apartment number although I do believe the name of Jordan's cat was Arthur.You all amaze me.

And you remember things, too.

You are right -- Jordan's cat is ARTHUR, not Alfred. I stand corrected. Thank you!
I feel like an instructor when you post "I stand corrected".It just came to me while I was reading your post because I remember someone posted the name as "Author" at which time I realized it did sound the same when Jordan said it to Rafe.I learn a lot.I plan to go back in the other thread to check out the link you posted for the phrase,
revenge is a dish best served cold.I thought it was from Shakespeare but no one cited him so I am going to your link.
I don't know what happened when I tried to edit my post I messed up the quote box.Oh well.
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nananana7
Jun 22 2014, 12:34 AM
BeeBee
Jun 22 2014, 12:27 AM
I love this site.Where else can you find people who remember sheets from twenty years ago,a camel colored jacket from then years ago,and the white door of Jordan's apartment along with apartment number although I do believe the name of Jordan's cat was Arthur.You all amaze me.

And you remember things, too.

You are right -- Jordan's cat is ARTHUR, not Alfred. I stand corrected. Thank you!


Well, see? The poor little neglected Alfred Arthur Furbaby needs screen time and more attention from Jordan.
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Jun 19 2014, 11:33 PM
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LOL - so cousin Joan and kitty litter? Jordan? That cannot be a coincidence.......
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Paige told JJ that her dad's cousin
is older, gorgeous, female, and
someone JJ would like or think is hot ..
-- and all those clues do fit Jordan ...

Plus "cousin Joan" and Jordan both have cats.
And the fact that "Joan" is one of Jordan's names on the fake IDs.

but ...
Paige also told JJ that her mom(Eve) was concerned that the cousin would be a be a bad influence on Paige. So how does that fit Jordan? Jordan seems so "nice" and bland.

It would seem that there's something more controversial about Jordan's past that we don't know yet.
Well obviously we've known for AGES that she been keeping secrets but ...

But we've been *guessing* that Jordan and Ben had been in an abusive situation ... and perhaps they had to retaliate to protect themselves, and were running from being caught.

But I would think that would paint Jordan in a *good* light.
Jordan doesn't seem like a mischievous hellraiser "bad influence".

Is there something shady Jordan's done, that Eve is aware of
(if Jordan is Joan).
?
Well I guess we'll get clues soon with the new castmembers from Jordan's backstory -- who will be onscreen week of June 30 and in July.
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Yeah... I mean it would be weird.... and obviously Paige doesn't know Ben, however they've lived in the same place before... maybe the show could wrap these people up in a nice little bow together....
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So those times that Jordan was going to leave town, she was just going to abandon Eve's daughter?
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