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Ratings: 3/30 - 4/3; DAYS is in trouble
Topic Started: Apr 10 2015, 05:24 PM (6,085 Views)
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lysie
Apr 17 2015, 01:06 PM
thepadange
Apr 17 2015, 01:00 PM
lysie
Apr 17 2015, 11:55 AM
I'll also add that Days seemed to really lose their footing after November 2013 sweeps. That would have been filmed in the summer...which was before any of those exits were planned. They still had several weeks of really good ratings, but that's when their storytelling actually changed and they weren't able to maintain.
One exit happened exactly in July 2013 - 😊 ED's.

Given how much the show was centered around Kristen, it might have affected their stories in a negative way. ( They definitely had a WTD in their plans).
But they knew all along that's when she was leaving. They still could have done a WTD when they brought her back. It may have affected them, but if it did, it's just more evidence that they're morons because they knew that's when she was leaving from the beginning. The only "surprises" were MAYBE James and Ali, and the stories had already fallen apart by then. (I was initially referring to ED's second exit...which also shouldn't have caught anyone by surprise).
I don't think they knew she was leaving. Of course that was a possibility (as much as a possibility was her leaving after the first 13 weeks, or as much as a possibility is that any other actor will leave when their contracts end), IMO they believed she was staying until there was time to renegotiate her contract in March.

It's not an excuse, though. Writers have to be able to react to cast changes adequately. It wasn't very smart on their part to have only 1-2 A/B stories going and that's why they failed. And the way they've written exits (EJ, Sami) was inexcusable. It's like someone forgot to tell them that AS and JS were leaving and they got the info a couple of weeks before it happened, and not 5-6 months ahead.
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thepadange
Apr 17 2015, 01:40 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 01:06 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 01:00 PM
lysie
Apr 17 2015, 11:55 AM
I'll also add that Days seemed to really lose their footing after November 2013 sweeps. That would have been filmed in the summer...which was before any of those exits were planned. They still had several weeks of really good ratings, but that's when their storytelling actually changed and they weren't able to maintain.
One exit happened exactly in July 2013 - 😊 ED's.

Given how much the show was centered around Kristen, it might have affected their stories in a negative way. ( They definitely had a WTD in their plans).
But they knew all along that's when she was leaving. They still could have done a WTD when they brought her back. It may have affected them, but if it did, it's just more evidence that they're morons because they knew that's when she was leaving from the beginning. The only "surprises" were MAYBE James and Ali, and the stories had already fallen apart by then. (I was initially referring to ED's second exit...which also shouldn't have caught anyone by surprise).
I don't think they knew she was leaving. Of course that was a possibility (as much as a possibility was her leaving after the first 13 weeks, or as much as a possibility is that any other actor will leave when their contracts end), IMO they believed she was staying until there was time to renegotiate her contract in March.

It's not an excuse, though. Writers have to be able to react to cast changes adequately. It wasn't very smart on their part to have only 1-2 A/B stories going and that's why they failed. And the way they've written exits (EJ, Sami) was inexcusable. It's like someone forgot to tell them that AS and JS were leaving and they got the info a couple of weeks before it happened, and not 5-6 months ahead.
Well, then they're really dumb, lol. I knew she was leaving. They could have asked me. And I didn't have any special info. But we don't call them TIIC for nothing I guess.
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I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
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JaimeLannister
Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
Yeah. But that's why I think there was something else. It affected every story.
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Apr 17 2015, 12:13 PM
JaimeLannister
Apr 17 2015, 12:05 PM
I don't actually disagree with what you're saying. I too think Tomsell sucked from day one. However, I do think, they sucked last year because their writing and ideas were terrible. And now I think they suck because they're not even trying. (2013 sucked less because their day to day episodes were good, IMO.)

I also think how bad the show is now is because EJami/Nick/Wilson/Gabi were the major focus during Tomsell's run which makes their loss to the show glaring since the characters on now can't fill that void.
Oh, I don't think EJ/Sami were a focus of theirs UNTIL they started losing their way (I guess the prison stuff was a focus, but as a whole they weren't very integrated into Salem at the time). And they chose to kill of Nick - he didn't ask to leave. I still think something happened around that time. IDK if it had to do with actors or network directives or my favorite theory - they're just hacks, but the show was focusing elsewhere and all of a sudden they weren't anymore, and things just got shot to hell. Those actors were more like dancing puppets of distraction.


Wasn't it Blake Berris choice?

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Apr 17 2015, 03:16 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 12:13 PM
JaimeLannister
Apr 17 2015, 12:05 PM
I don't actually disagree with what you're saying. I too think Tomsell sucked from day one. However, I do think, they sucked last year because their writing and ideas were terrible. And now I think they suck because they're not even trying. (2013 sucked less because their day to day episodes were good, IMO.)

I also think how bad the show is now is because EJami/Nick/Wilson/Gabi were the major focus during Tomsell's run which makes their loss to the show glaring since the characters on now can't fill that void.
Oh, I don't think EJ/Sami were a focus of theirs UNTIL they started losing their way (I guess the prison stuff was a focus, but as a whole they weren't very integrated into Salem at the time). And they chose to kill of Nick - he didn't ask to leave. I still think something happened around that time. IDK if it had to do with actors or network directives or my favorite theory - they're just hacks, but the show was focusing elsewhere and all of a sudden they weren't anymore, and things just got shot to hell. Those actors were more like dancing puppets of distraction.


Wasn't it Blake Berris choice?

The way he described it, it was a little of both.
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Apr 17 2015, 03:16 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 03:16 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 12:13 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 12:05 PM
I don't actually disagree with what you're saying. I too think Tomsell sucked from day one. However, I do think, they sucked last year because their writing and ideas were terrible. And now I think they suck because they're not even trying. (2013 sucked less because their day to day episodes were good, IMO.)

I also think how bad the show is now is because EJami/Nick/Wilson/Gabi were the major focus during Tomsell's run which makes their loss to the show glaring since the characters on now can't fill that void.
Oh, I don't think EJ/Sami were a focus of theirs UNTIL they started losing their way (I guess the prison stuff was a focus, but as a whole they weren't very integrated into Salem at the time). And they chose to kill of Nick - he didn't ask to leave. I still think something happened around that time. IDK if it had to do with actors or network directives or my favorite theory - they're just hacks, but the show was focusing elsewhere and all of a sudden they weren't anymore, and things just got shot to hell. Those actors were more like dancing puppets of distraction.


Wasn't it Blake Berris choice?

The way he described it, it was a little of both.
I asked it because I kinda remember him saying in an interview that he was asked if he really wanted to leave because if he did it might be permanent.
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Apr 17 2015, 03:16 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 03:16 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 12:13 PM

Quoting limited to 4 levels deepAnd they chose to kill of Nick - he didn't ask to leave. I still think something happened around that time. IDK if it had to do with actors or network directives or my favorite theory - they're just hacks, but the show was focusing elsewhere and all of a sudden they weren't anymore, and things just got shot to hell. Those actors were more like dancing puppets of distraction.


Wasn't it Blake Berris choice?

The way he described it, it was a little of both.
I asked it because I kinda remember him saying in an interview that he was asked if he really wanted to leave because if he did it might be permanent.
He did. I guess I took that to mean they already had a story planned.
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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think they overestimated Eileen's departure. If she were so important to them, they would have offered her a deal she couldn't refuse. It's not that she quit daytime after that.

But TPTB definitely overestimated James and Ali's departures and got such a big shock when they informed TPTB about their plans to leave that TPTB weren't able to recover from the panic (I have a feeling they still are under shock), let alone write a proper exit.
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Whenever Blake decided he was done, I think they figured that he would die.

I felt the shift after ED left, but there was another after Chandler left as well. Guy wasn't what they hoped for, then they got Allison and James leaving thrown in top of it. In a 3 or 4 month span, 3 of their 4 top stories were taking a major hit. Dan/Jennifer was already sinking. They just didn't know how to recover from it all.
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Apr 17 2015, 02:11 PM
JaimeLannister
Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
Yeah. But that's why I think there was something else. It affected every story.
I think, you perfectly answered this in your post saying: "I think TomSell probably came in with a plan, and then once they got to the end of their initial plan, they had no clue what to do [...]."

ITA. Tomlin/Whitesell had to have a good plan to get their jobs and - not to forget - TPTB also had to persuade people at Sony that they needed Eileen so much that it was worth firing her from Y&R. So the vision/idea/concept must have been good. Who knows, what happened later?

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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think ED's departure affected anything. I didn't enjoy her last return and don't think I'm going to enjoy this one.

I thought Days had a great start to 2014 (especially January and February) and had some good story going up through Nick's death. After that everything was bad.
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Apr 17 2015, 03:38 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think they overestimated Eileen's departure. If she were so important to them, they would have offered her a deal she couldn't refuse. It's not that she quit daytime after that.

But TPTB definitely overestimated James and Ali's departures and got such a big shock when they informed TPTB about their plans to leave that TPTB weren't able to recover from the panic (I have a feeling they still are under shock), let alone write a proper exit.
Not saying that her leaving changed anything in the ratings but I've heard that she is making almost three times as much at Y&R as she made at Days and for less days of work. Days literally could not afford to keep her so it really wasn't up to them.
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I just can't get behind blaming any of the exits. Look at the show. The stories suck. If those actors had stayed, they'd just also be in sucky stories. They were in sucky stories before they left, too. That's why the ratings were dipping while they were still there, too.
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Apr 17 2015, 05:30 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 03:38 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think they overestimated Eileen's departure. If she were so important to them, they would have offered her a deal she couldn't refuse. It's not that she quit daytime after that.

But TPTB definitely overestimated James and Ali's departures and got such a big shock when they informed TPTB about their plans to leave that TPTB weren't able to recover from the panic (I have a feeling they still are under shock), let alone write a proper exit.
Not saying that her leaving changed anything in the ratings but I've heard that she is making almost three times as much at Y&R as she made at Days and for less days of work. Days literally could not afford to keep her so it really wasn't up to them.
Yes - but she has made it quite clear she is available to DAYS for returns for shorter story arcs (and she requested that be worked into her Y&R deal).

DAYS is the one choosing to ignore this...they could have used her past 10 days (she even said as much) but they didn't....and that to me was an absolute idiotic decision.
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Apr 17 2015, 05:30 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 03:38 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think they overestimated Eileen's departure. If she were so important to them, they would have offered her a deal she couldn't refuse. It's not that she quit daytime after that.

But TPTB definitely overestimated James and Ali's departures and got such a big shock when they informed TPTB about their plans to leave that TPTB weren't able to recover from the panic (I have a feeling they still are under shock), let alone write a proper exit.
Not saying that her leaving changed anything in the ratings but I've heard that she is making almost three times as much at Y&R as she made at Days and for less days of work. Days literally could not afford to keep her so it really wasn't up to them.
Is this new info? Because when she left she said that because of the pay cut on Days her workload had to be doubled (or more than doubled). So she got the same money but for working about 2,5x more. That info I got from one of the interviews. It might have changed now, though.

I'm not sure if they can't afford her. Maybe they just want cheap. They don't use some of the actors like they could. As they pay per episodes I don't get why for example Deidre or Drake have episodes where they are like 2-3 minutes in, why not let them have 8-10 or even more. A lot of appearances add nothing to the stories.

As for why 10 episodes, maybe they're still pissed that she left Days for Y&R lol.
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Apr 17 2015, 05:26 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think ED's departure affected anything. I didn't enjoy her last return and don't think I'm going to enjoy this one.

I thought Days had a great start to 2014 (especially January and February) and had some good story going up through Nick's death. After that everything was bad.
I don't think Kristen not being on the show is what made it go to shit. But there was a very noticeable shift in the writing when she did leave. I don't know why but they decided to go for things that just didn't make sense and didn't recover from that.

The ratings would be bad if the actors who left were still there because we saw it drop from early 2014 already.However, a group of actors leaving around the same time has played a role in the current ratings because that's what happens when so many leave at the same time. Days' mistake is that they didn't bother to come up with a way to having an interesting storyline after these exits unlike B&B who put the right people on the front when KM left.
Edited by JaimeLannister, Apr 18 2015, 01:25 AM.
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Apr 17 2015, 05:26 PM
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Apr 17 2015, 02:01 PM
I think they overestimated how much impact ED's departure would have on the show which is why they had such a major shift in the writing when Kristen first skipped town. It's amazing to think how quickly Days fell because of that change in direction.
I don't think ED's departure affected anything. I didn't enjoy her last return and don't think I'm going to enjoy this one.

I thought Days had a great start to 2014 (especially January and February) and had some good story going up through Nick's death. After that everything was bad.
I don't think Kristen not being on the show is what made it go to shit. But there was a very noticeable shift in the writing when she did leave. I don't know why but they decided to go for things that just didn't make sense and didn't recover from that.

The ratings would be bad if the actors who left were still there because we saw it drop from early 2014 already.However, a group of actors leaving around the same time has played a role in the current ratings because that's what happens when so many leave at the same time. Days' mistake is that they didn't bother to come up with a way to having an interesting storyline after these exits unlike B&B who put the right people on the front when KM left.
Except they didn't leave at the same time!

And I'll just keep repeating it. Days problem isn't that they didn't have anything prepared for after those exits (though I agree that that was mind numbingly stupid). Their problem is that they didn't have anything prepared at all. Not before the exits. Not during the exits. Not after the exits. The show sucked before they exited. The show continued to suck after they exited.
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JS, AS, ED all left around the same time? Unless we're getting technical about a few weeks difference.
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Apr 18 2015, 01:32 AM
JS, AS, ED all left around the same time? Unless we're getting technical about a few weeks difference.
Well we keep going back and forth on which ED time we're talking about, but she was only supposed to be there for that amount of time then, too. It wasn't a surprise, and she had barely even been back.
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