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| Tweet Topic Started: May 1 2015, 11:16 PM (4,359 Views) | |
| lysie | May 2 2015, 03:06 PM Post #21 |
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It may not. But at least it's a change. |
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| Renegade_Killerbee | May 2 2015, 06:50 PM Post #22 |
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My hunch is that one year from now, Days of Our Lives will not only already have been cancelled but be airing its last couple of months' worth of shows. The big buzz will be which stars from the show will be absorbed by General Hospital. The only one I can think of, that I would adore coming aboard, is Eric Martsolf. |
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| thepadange | May 3 2015, 02:54 AM Post #23 |
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That's if GH isn't cancelled as well... Btw, I like soaps and hope all of the remaining four last as long as it is possible. Edited by thepadange, May 3 2015, 02:55 AM.
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| dooldooldool | May 3 2015, 04:23 AM Post #24 |
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This is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard/seen/imagined/dreamed. Sorry to be so harsh, but you can't just flush away millions of dollars in product. For what? To make a couple dozen self-described showrunners on a random (albeit well-done) message board happy? As others have wisely posted, NBC is tanking all over. It's hardly a surprise that DOOL is taking part of that hit. Sony and Corday have an agreement with NBC to air the show for another 16 months. The show isn't going to be cancelled this week, or next week, or next month. They aren't going to slice and dice dozens of episodes -- that costs money, although some would think its as easy a doing a youtube edit. I have long believed that one reason the show tapes so far in advance is in preparation for its eventual non-renewal. When the non-renewal happens (2016? 2018? 2030?), there will be a bank of shows that can air to complete the contract and Sony/Corday can just shut things down in a week or two. Is the show floundering now? Yup. And it has floundered before. Actions have already been taken to set a new course. Will that change the overall ratings direction? Not likely. I suspect we will see 1.2's in the beloved demo at some point this summer. But the old standby rationale will pop in: It's summer. Viewing levels are low. We made changes that will launch in the fall. The 50th Returns and Storylines will lead a ratings resurgence. |
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| lysie | May 3 2015, 11:28 AM Post #25 |
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I'm not sure why you're mocking it so heavily when everyone who has mentioned it has said it's an unlikely thing to happen. I think we're all pretty aware that what we'd like to see happen and what will actually happen are two different things. I've been pointing out for weeks that this isn't the first time Days has had a ratings issue. The difference this time is that the changes that were made are so far away. The concern is that they'll drop so low in the interim that the anniversary won't stand a chance of helping them. |
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| ShaneDOOLFan | May 3 2015, 12:21 PM Post #26 |
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A show that is on a very low budget and still consistently pulls over 2 million viewers a week (on top of DVR and streaming and other worldwide viewership) cancelled by NBC? That's nonsense. NBC is lucky to have DOOL. Some other network will take it. |
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| am103 | May 3 2015, 12:27 PM Post #27 |
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That five month lag-time is gonna come back to bite Days in the ass! We've been saying it for years, and now it's here. Corday and Higgriff better hope there's even a show to salvage come September! |
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| Mitchapalooza | May 3 2015, 01:12 PM Post #28 |
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^ My face watching DAYS
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Under 100k in 18-34....that is the point of no return...days is not getting renewed with these numbers. |
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| lysie | May 3 2015, 01:25 PM Post #29 |
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I know you know this, but they're not up for renewal right now. That's not the issue. The issues are will they be prematurely cancelled and will they manage to recover. They're not getting renewed right now anyway regardless of the numbers. |
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| thepadange | May 3 2015, 01:39 PM Post #30 |
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I agree that it's hightly unlikely that they will not air the taped episodes. I don't see that taping ahead is preparation for the non-renewal, though. What is the diffrence for Corday and Sony whether they stop taping in two-weeks or in 6 months after TPTB at NBC announce their plans? Taping schedule they use now saves them money, that's the only benefit they get from it. I don't know who miscalculated it, but the problem could be solved if they had more dark weeks. However, his would negatively influence working conditions (payment) for the crew. I think, that's what stops them. |
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| talbab1994 | May 3 2015, 01:55 PM Post #31 |
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What is Days target age now? They sure aren't hitting with the age group that they had been attending...so what is it? |
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| GHFan738 | May 3 2015, 04:12 PM Post #32 |
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Whether they are renewed or not won't be announced until January. By then they would have had 5 months to see if the change has helped and the anniversay will be over, although the stories will continue 6 months past that. Shows will be taped though May and there will be 4 more months left on the current renewal (9/16). If they are cancelled they would have 4 months to wrap things up. I agree that the fear is, that during the time when ratings drop anyway, that things will get so bad, that the changes won't have an affect. What irritates me most is that they have put the message out that what is to come is a lost cause. They tell people to tune in Sept. They should be at least trying to get people to continue to watch what's coming up over the next few months. If people check out, they may find something they like and not bother to come back. They might check in as a curiosity factor, but not from a loyalty factor. They will have 4-5 months to impress the higher ups. That's not necessarily a lot of time for people to feel they want to come back. Some will, but a majority will do it based on the buzz that is generated. That might take time. We will see what happens. I just don't feel that this is anything like times in the past. It's much worse IMO. |
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| lysie | May 3 2015, 10:17 PM Post #33 |
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25-54....I think. |
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| Hugo | May 4 2015, 12:09 AM Post #34 |
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I think viewers are bailing on the show until the writer switch happen. And these people who are bailing might not all return, they might watch another soap and stick with it, they might just do something else. A biggest problem might be affiliates dropping the show, there is probably a clause that allows them to do that when the ratings get bad enough. The idea I suggested is a desperate measure. There are other ways to do a fast forward, like reedit the episodes or air 2 episodes in a row for a few weeks. I agree it's dumb to throw money away but if there's a chance it saves the show, why not try it? Also the skipped episodes would generate some ad-revenue on hulu or they could charge viewers to see them. Anyway I wasn't trying to be rude by telling TPTB how to run their show, I'm just a fan. If they saw my idea and it's ridiculous, they will just ignore it. But if they are starting to be pressured for a quick fix, my idea could make them think and help them come up with a similar plan, only better. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | May 4 2015, 02:20 AM Post #35 |
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Here's the thing...it's not just Days in trouble. GH is down in the demos too and that is a show that has had major events, vets very much in play, and been going gradually downhill in the demos for the past few months at least and there is NO sign of changes there. Yes, they have a big sweeps planned but just like all their events the past few months, they will likely drop off after those events just like they have done previously especially with summer coming. Days HAS made changes. They are 5 months from now but those are coming. What will GH do? There should be focus on that too. I know Days is always the lightning rod topic in ratings but still. GH is hitting lows too and that should be looked at as they are supposedly doing what fans want (vet heavy, good stories, etc). There has been negativity in some regards but I see just as many people that praise the show still so the fact it is hitting lows should make it just as vulnerable as Days, especially when ABC has proven itself to be more likely to cancel in recent years than NBC. Days is only 0.2 away from GH. Even with the lows in the demos it is one or two good weeks away from beating GH and maybe even B&B, whose also falling in the demos. NONE of these soaps should be happy outside of Y&R who is over 1.0 in the demos. The problem for Days was they went into the usual lowly viewed spring/summer months lower than usual. Normally, they have a better Fall/Winter ratings period so that when they go through this time of year it takes them longer to reach the point of tying lows or hitting new lows. Same goes for GH and even B&B. What that shows is pretty much all the soaps failed to connect with their audiences with the stories they were offering over the past 6-8 months. Now, Days has the far ahead shooting schedule but what is B&B and GH's excuse? They film 4-6 weeks out and there have been NO changes at all. Back when Days had a similar taping schedule, they barely made changes at all too unless something HUGE happened (like 9/11 or something) that required them to change something drastically. Most stories were kept the same or simply trimmed but soaps have generally always stuck to their guns and played things out even if a story wasn't well received. It's rare that any story is thrown out quickly. There seems to be the belief that you can't give up too soon with stories because the audience may take awhile to get it or invest and that is why TPTB stick with their material regardless of shooting schedule or whatever is in play. If you give up too soon on something, you may never know if it worked. There have been stories that stunk out of the gate but, eventually, ended up paying off. All this is why I don't buy that anything would be different for Days with a more traditional shooting schedule. TPTB would still be stubborn just like they are at other soaps and shows. Just like they are in primetime. They will make changes when they are ready or when they, themselves, lose interest or have a reason behind it. That is the way it's always gone. That is why we see changes made when they AREN'T necessary. Look at Days in 2014. Coming off an amazing 2013, they destroyed EVERYTHING that gave the show a hue ratings resurgence just like they did in 2010 as well. There are too many cooks in the proverbial kitchen. If soaps and even primetime shows worked as they should (with limited involvement from focus groups or outside factors), I would believe that changes could be made based on fan input and that a different shooting schedule could help but that is not simply the case from what I have seen over the years. The other thing too is we know from the Sony emails that Days does very well in online viewing. I think it was said that Days has just as many viewers as it did 10 years ago when you factor in online viewing as does Y&R. I think I recall Corday making a statement similar in an interview in 2010. Now, that is important because online viewing on sites like Hulu and the NBC site helps the show. There are ads involved so that matters to advertisers. Later DVR viewing which helps ALL shows matters but the problem is DVR numbers aren't as important to advertisers because you can skip commercials. They pay more attention to online viewing and on demand services where you are forced to watch ads but the DVR numbers DO matter because they show the audience is there. If you take into account all the numbers I mentioned, all the soaps and even primetime shows that have seen ratings erosion actually show up to have the same amount of audience they had years ago. There are just so many ways to watch these shows now and I honestly don't know ANYONE under the age of 50 that watches ANYTHING live. At least not regularly. So, it's not a case of a show or soap being good enough to make you want to watch right away, It's a simply proof that people have no time anymore and want to watch on their own schedule and modern technology affords us that opportunity. Days is in trouble but so is everyone outside of Y&R and Days, at least, has changes coming. Days is also in a network that has a primetime lineup in shambles. There has also been no reports of anything in development to potentially replace Days. Now, something could come up quickly but, so far, there isn't even any rumors of any sort of talk/news show or anything like that. There are no more threats to Days' survival than there have ever been. In fact, the odds are still in their favor because NBC is more involved than ever (bad for the quality of the show but interest usually means they want it around) and there have always been detractors at the network and there always will be. NBC has had anti-soap people in play since the 80s at least. They won't go away. There will always be someone that will try to get Days canned. It doesn't mean it is anymore likely to happen now than at any other time many predicted it would be gone. The difference is this time emailed leaked out mentioning names and giving us insight into the behind the scenes conversations. The numbers are alarming but they aren't anything one or two good weeks can't fix. The show rebounded in Fall 2011 after a horrible spring and a summer that had stories just as horrible. That year's situation is very much like this year's only Days had a much better winter and that kept them from falling to lows so quickly. I believe it will be fine for Days in the end. The show has always come back and, even if it doesn't this time, I don't think it's the end. Sony seems to care highly about it still. It will end up elsewhere or on the net. GH is far more worrisome to me, honestly. |
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| Hugo | May 4 2015, 03:40 AM Post #36 |
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Interesting, PhoenixRising05. I don't look closely to GH numbers since Days is the only soap I watch regularly. But it's strange that they gained 152'000 total viewers while losing 117'000 women 18-49 year to year. Total Viewers 2,815,000 (+6,000/+152,000) Women 18-49 Viewers (-36,000/-117,000) That means they gained 269'000 viewers outside of the demo (men, older women or kids/teens). The question is: can ABC find advertisers willing to pay to target these people? If they can and if it's enough to compensate the ad-revenue lost because of the lower demo numbers, maybe GH is not that in trouble. Like lysie said, we don't really know if the key demo is what matters the most anymore. Let's hope it's not. |
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| GHFan738 | May 4 2015, 07:06 AM Post #37 |
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The difference between GH and Days is that GH has had some major peeks. Just a few weeks ago they were second in 18-49 and last week they were first in 18-34. They have consistently been ahead of last year's viewers, even when everyone else was way behind. Another factor with GH, over the last month or so, at least one key market has been pre-empted due to trials, funerals and sporting events. That has brought down their numbers as well. ABC is known for cancellations, but GH is in a stronger position than it was when those were happening. Days is trailing in all the demos and yes, a few good weeks and things could change, but unlike the good things being said about GH, there are none being said about Days. Even the show chooses to ignore what is coming up in the next 4 months. This blind eye to what is to come, is what might be the shows's undoing. GH may be slipping, but with 3 week turn around, they can do what they can to stop the bleeding, I think the Fluke story was part of that, but Days can't do anything but wait for the next 4 months and hope there will be something left to save. |
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| Mitchapalooza | May 4 2015, 12:23 PM Post #38 |
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^ My face watching DAYS
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I understand that yes there is some time before they are up for renewal...but I don't have confidence they can significantly recover from these numbers. During their last renewal they were in the 2.8 million viewer range and a 1.0-1.2 18-49 rating...they are way below this and I just don't know if they made the changes BTS quick enough. I am sure they will probably rebound, but I don't feel confident they will rebound enough to reach renewal numbers. |
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| blueskies | May 4 2015, 12:46 PM Post #39 |
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The problem for me with Days is that where it is now, I've pretty much stopped watching (except for Kristen's short return and even that was not overly enjoyable). I don't care about any of the characters at the moment. This is the first real break I've taken from the show since 2007/2008. Of course this isn't the first time they've had a long turn around time to a watchable product but the more times it happens the less I feel the need to watch till it gets better. Also I have very little confidence in Dena turning this boat around. Edit: okay that's not true, I care about Nicole, but I can't take her with Daniel or Eric. Rafe might be okay but otherwise I'd rather she just focus on her work and tell everyone in town to shove it. Edited by blueskies, May 4 2015, 12:48 PM.
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| trojangal | May 4 2015, 02:55 PM Post #40 |
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For me Days is slightly better now than it was a few months ago . I like the addition of Paul & Xander & Kristens's return was okay . The storylines still suck But then again I am not a fan of Tomlin's version of Days. RE: NBC I have Comcast & I can watch episodes of GH I miss on- demand Days however is not offered on-demand which means if I miss Days I have to go to NBC .com |
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