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Just Curious; no longer watching
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Topic Started: Dec 15 2015, 08:46 PM (10,124 Views)
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lysie
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Dec 17 2015, 03:26 PM
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And I am curious. I read here about those who seem to brag about no longer watching Days. Reasons given are their favs no longer on show, or unhappy with storylines, or writers, just various things.
So...is the intention to help get the show cancelled? It cannot be to try and get their favs back, or storyline changed. Heck, with filming 6 mos. in advance, whatever is already done.
If Days is cancelled, it means the end. No more fav couple, character, better story for whoever. And ratings are important. So, "no longer watching" has a huge impact, but perhaps not the one intended.
And if, no longer interested in the show, no longer watching, no longer caring, then why continue to visit the boards? I mean no disrespect, I honestly just do not get the thinking/reasoning behind declarations of not watching any more, yet...staying, commenting, etc. among those whose who are watching. It just seems that contributing to a ratings decline would mean one wants the show gone completely. Again, I mean no disrespect, just want to understand the thinking.
Many of the people that I know that have quit watching truly want the show cancelled, but sometimes tuning out & a,ratings drop are the only way to get TPTB's attention that viewers are not happy with some of the trash being written. They may not care if they get 10,000 angry tweets a day, but losing 300,000+ viewers in a week will probably get someone's attention, especially if it's a trend that continues. I get that the show tapes 5-6 months ahead, but I think many upset viewers would be patient & tune back in if they thought some of the ridiculous story direction were going to be turned around. This regime seems very much about what THEY want instead of what the fans want with a few exceptions. I don't think they give a damn how many tweets, emails, letters come their way, but a nose dive in the ratings will get someone's attention. If people don't tune out then they will continue to run their agenda of making Rope the new Salem supercouple, turning Rafe into Daniel Jonas 2.0, replacing the Brady's with the Hernandez clan as the core Salem family, throwing every popular fan base it can get it's hands on under the bus (Wilson, Haiden, Ericole), letting talented actors like DC, GV, & KDP go & bringing on a bunch of useless newbies. Even many of the things done during the 50th that fans tuned in for were just to launch their agendas into orbit (turning the Bope reunion into a launch pad for Rope). I think Stayla fans are just lucky that JG is a huge Kayla fan. Like I said, Griffley only seems concerned with running their agenda & really give less than a shit about the fans & even actor input. Unfortunately with this regime only numbers will inspire change. I saw this coming when GG & his wife were practically orgasmic when Dena the hack's return was announced, he new that Days of Rafe's Life was a go, be damned what viewers thought. Fortunately people are able to keep tabs on the show through social media, etc. so they can decide if they want to tune in. I don't think you have to watch the show itself in order to have thoughts, opinions that are relevant, & making a dent in the ratings is the only way to communicate with this crew. You've described every fan reaction to every regime ever. You've also described how every regime ever has worked. In order to write for some people, other people have to be disappointed. That's just how it is when not everyone likes the exact same things. It blows my mind that any of this is treated like something new. Your feelings for Griffley are my feelings for TomSell. And other people's feelings for MarDar, HigSell, Sheffer, JER, and it goes on and on.
No, you don't have to watch to comment. But it can be hard for you and frustrating to others to be active in discussion with people who are watching when you're not. I know this from experience on both sides. That being said, I do think the goal to get a show cancelled is silly. I get wanting a ratings drop so that change will happen (that was my wish throughout TomSell), but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
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Dec 17 2015, 05:32 PM
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I would feel alot better if they got rid of Higley completely and gave Griffith a co-HW who is new and fresh but I would say Days and B&B are the only soaps at least trying to be more contemporary and modern in some ways.
I think B&B being centered around a fashion industry helps it keep up with the times. Days for the most part can still feel very conservative in their storytelling which is why I find these characters so hard to relate at times because they write perspectives appropriate for 30+ years ago. I thought MarDar brought a fresh energy to the characters. They were awful at plots but their characters didn't have the old & jaded feel Tomsell and Higley's had. It was espcially evident among the 20-30 age group. They actually felt hip and modern. That is very true. I think the problem with MarDar was they excelled at characterization (outside of Sami, who IMO they ruined a great deal by having her cheat on Rafe) and making characters relatable but they sucked hugely at storytelling, which makes sense given their positions on previous writing staffs. Normally, when you give staff writers their first head writing gigs, you try to make sure you pair someone whose strength is storytelling with someone who is good at working with characters. That way you have the perfect combo should you want a head writing team and not just a sole head writer. You could tell MarDar were one in the same and that is why it didn't work.
Think back to Brash and Cwickly. They clicked and worked well together because they each had their strengths and the pair of them together just worked. JER and Sheri Anderson worked well together too.
Having said all this, Drew is right in that what worked before doesn't work now. That is why while the pacing of current Days is very jarring and different, I think it is the right thing to do because you just can't tell story the same way anymore. Traditional soap fans like myself may feel differently but viewers and their attention spans are just far too different. You see it even in primetime. I see people complain when something isn't resolved in a few episodes on a primetime show and, on a soap, after a mere few weeks, people are ready for some stories just to flat out end. People are busier than ever before and have more ways to watch and more to watch than ever before. You can't drag things out anymore or plan things for 3-4 years down the road. The long, drawn out stories or buildup can't work anymore unless you have enough stuff going on around those stories to keep things fresh and interesting enough to keep people glued to the screen.
My feeling is that, eventually, soaps will need to stop being on the air all year round or at least stop being on 5 days a week. The schedule will likely have to change at some point both for budgetary and creative reasons to avoid burnouts and, also, I feel it would benefit the viewers too in the long-term. I mean, sure alot of viewers would be confused at first when a soap isn't on 5 days a week or not on in summer or whatever but if you promote the change well enough and tell good stories to ensure viewers come back after hiatuses it would work fine.
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Dec 17 2015, 05:37 PM
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Daytime needs to change and evolve to survive, just like primetime has and does, and Griffley and Alarr are at least acting in accordance with that.
And that's been Days (and US Daytime's) problem all along, their refusal to evolve. It's still 1980/1990 in daytime land, to where they're now just bad telenovellas. Weekday serialized storytelling around the world has proven you don't need science fiction, super villains, and end of the world plots. Just three dimensional characters in a setting living interesting lives. (like the 70s used to do)
I am going to disagree with your timeline....but just a little bit. I do not think the early 80s were, for DAYS anyway, overtaken by gimmicky/scifi cr*p. Yes there were a few gimmicks used but they were basically background to people driven stories. And what worked in the first half of the 80s, for me, anyway, was the slow build of relationships. Writers allowed the viewers to get to know new character in many ways, other than just their romantic relationships. I will use Bo as an example. We got to know Bo, through his relationship with his big brother Roman first; then with some flirtations with Hope and the back story of them having know each other as children but had not see each other since she left for boarding school and she for the merchant marines. We got to know Bo through with his need to prove himself to Shawn Brady, see his level of hurt thinking Shawn preferred Roman over him which of course then tied into the Caroline/Victor story. We saw Bo's relationship with Kayla, their closeness, her protectiveness. Ditto Kim. We saw his humor with Eugene. I could do the same for Hope but I think I made my point. Bo and Hope became popular not because of some gimmick (whether it crazy Andre framing Roman); or the baca that Eugene needed to prevent Stefano from causing an explosion, but because viewers got to know both Bo and Hope as individuals first who but then who displayed the romantic chemistry with each other, so strong it could not be denied. We knew Stefano was the villain, clear and simple, and while he hated Roman, we also saw how he lusted after, wanted Marlena to be his queen but he never acted on it. He did his evil, and disappeared. When we though he was gone and everyone was safe, slowly and eerily clues add up to the return. He was a villain, not Mr. Resident and Neighbor rich guy whose very victims and eye witnesses to his crimes were incapable of getting justice. In between crime/adventure stories we saw the friendship of Caroline and Alice. We saw Doug and Julies conflicts over Hope. Gimmicks were background.......characters and their relationships drove stories, characters between believable friends and families. Villain were brought and motives were explored (e.g Patch going after Bo). Background and aftermath were not ignored. I believe things started to change in the 90s.......maybe late, late 80s. Definitely when JER took over in the 90s, the GIMMICK was the star, the characters were mixed and matched with characteristics as if the audience did not care who was loyal, who had a sense of humor, who was always suspicious, who was always trusting, who committed heinous crimes. To me that started the downfall......suddenly "actor proof" writing was the rage because characters did not matter and couples/romance did not matter. Gimmick driven, shock the audience stories, bed hopping became the norm and the shows were trying to outdo each other with sensationalistism. Crazy plot drive stories ruled and IMO the sillier they got the more unwatchable the shows became and what kept me tuned in to stories I sometimes hated was loyalty to the actors/characters/families I loved and cared about. I know many will disagree but that is how I saw it. While I agree that gimmicks became a bigger thing in the 90s, I disagee that it was the only thing that mattered. JER himself said something about "the Possession being an attention grabber but it was always a love story". I also don't know what you mean with bed hopping being the norm and that couples/romance did not matter. If anything, under JER the show was all about couples. John & Marlena, Bo & Hope (or Bo & Billie when RKK was in the role), Austin & Carrie, Jack & Jennifer. The stories and plots were about these couples fighting to be together, the gimmicks were just a way to get the attention and draw viewers in. If it was just about gimmicks JER would have rushed through plot after plot like Josh and Dena have done during the 50th hype. But JER was accused of dragging things out and taking things slowly until the big climax (with fakeouts along the way).
If you just look at the surface, the 90s were about Carly being buried alive, Marlena possessed by the devil, Kristen and the lookalikes, etc. In reality there were so much more.
And like Drew said about the 80s "are known as the era of Stefano DiMera, prisms, underground cities, world freezing mad men, sweeping adventure stories that went beyond the fantastic." These are the things people bring up, but recaps can never capture what is actually playing out on-screen.
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly. I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters.
Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time.
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Dec 17 2015, 05:40 PM
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I almost never post because I don't really watch anymore (unless watching less than 5 minutes every few months counts as watching) but I still read this board in the hope that somehow I'll want to watch Days again. It is a hard habit to break. I started watching during the summer of 1984 when I was a little kid. This board provides great summaries and comments on the show, often hilarious comments that only a soap fan would understand. Even when my opinion on something is in the minority, I like to read what other people think of Days. Plus, I don't know anyone in real life who still watches Days. A few of my college friends watched back in the 90s and the Last Blast crowd, but no one is still watching. When I have posted something negative, I was venting because it is sad and frustrating that Days got as bad as it did over the last few years. At this point, I don't really post anywhere because I'm not into the current cast or storylines; I hate that they killed Bo and think TPTB could have chosen another route for Bo & Hope.
Days current storylines are not my cup of tea. If I wanted to watch a fashion s/l, I'd watch B&B. I could never get into B&B because of the business oriented s/l. There isn't any reason Days could not do a suspense oriented s/l.
Days has a hard time competing for my attention now that I can choose from hundreds of channels to find a show with the suspense-oriented and often supernatural elements I prefer. Supernatural for one. British imports, tons of films, why watch a lame show that killed off one-half of my original favorite supercouple? I am happy other people are enjoying Days but I'm not watching anymore.
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Dec 17 2015, 05:41 PM
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And I am curious. I read here about those who seem to brag about no longer watching Days. Reasons given are their favs no longer on show, or unhappy with storylines, or writers, just various things.
So...is the intention to help get the show cancelled? It cannot be to try and get their favs back, or storyline changed. Heck, with filming 6 mos. in advance, whatever is already done.
If Days is cancelled, it means the end. No more fav couple, character, better story for whoever. And ratings are important. So, "no longer watching" has a huge impact, but perhaps not the one intended.
And if, no longer interested in the show, no longer watching, no longer caring, then why continue to visit the boards? I mean no disrespect, I honestly just do not get the thinking/reasoning behind declarations of not watching any more, yet...staying, commenting, etc. among those whose who are watching. It just seems that contributing to a ratings decline would mean one wants the show gone completely. Again, I mean no disrespect, just want to understand the thinking.
Many of the people that I know that have quit watching truly want the show cancelled, but sometimes tuning out & a,ratings drop are the only way to get TPTB's attention that viewers are not happy with some of the trash being written. They may not care if they get 10,000 angry tweets a day, but losing 300,000+ viewers in a week will probably get someone's attention, especially if it's a trend that continues. I get that the show tapes 5-6 months ahead, but I think many upset viewers would be patient & tune back in if they thought some of the ridiculous story direction were going to be turned around. This regime seems very much about what THEY want instead of what the fans want with a few exceptions. I don't think they give a damn how many tweets, emails, letters come their way, but a nose dive in the ratings will get someone's attention. If people don't tune out then they will continue to run their agenda of making Rope the new Salem supercouple, turning Rafe into Daniel Jonas 2.0, replacing the Brady's with the Hernandez clan as the core Salem family, throwing every popular fan base it can get it's hands on under the bus (Wilson, Haiden, Ericole), letting talented actors like DC, GV, & KDP go & bringing on a bunch of useless newbies. Even many of the things done during the 50th that fans tuned in for were just to launch their agendas into orbit (turning the Bope reunion into a launch pad for Rope). I think Stayla fans are just lucky that JG is a huge Kayla fan. Like I said, Griffley only seems concerned with running their agenda & really give less than a shit about the fans & even actor input. Unfortunately with this regime only numbers will inspire change. I saw this coming when GG & his wife were practically orgasmic when Dena the hack's return was announced, he new that Days of Rafe's Life was a go, be damned what viewers thought. Fortunately people are able to keep tabs on the show through social media, etc. so they can decide if they want to tune in. I don't think you have to watch the show itself in order to have thoughts, opinions that are relevant, & making a dent in the ratings is the only way to communicate with this crew.
You've described every fan reaction to every regime ever. You've also described how every regime ever has worked. In order to write for some people, other people have to be disappointed. That's just how it is when not everyone likes the exact same things. It blows my mind that any of this is treated like something new. Your feelings for Griffley are my feelings for TomSell. And other people's feelings for MarDar, HigSell, Sheffer, JER, and it goes on and on. No, you don't have to watch to comment. But it can be hard for you and frustrating to others to be active in discussion with people who are watching when you're not. I know this from experience on both sides. That being said, I do think the goal to get a show cancelled is silly. I get wanting a ratings drop so that change will happen (that was my wish throughout TomSell), but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly. I'd like to double like this post. If people don't like whats being written now, then by all means tune out. But to try to get a show cancelled just because THEY don't like it is silly. Some of us do enjoy the show, and don't think it's trash. And no, tptb can't please everyone all the time. I mean, there are things I really liked under TomSell, and things I didn't. Same with this regime. Its the way things work. But I'm a loyal Days fan, and will watch to the end. Because I enjoy peeking into Salem on a daily basis.
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Dec 17 2015, 05:48 PM
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters. Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time. But why want it to be cancelled? If YOU think its a shadow of its former self, then by all means tune out. If you cut Days from your life, then what difference does it make to you if its still on the air? What about those of us who like Days? Who enjoy it? Do we not matter? And what about all the actors and crew who'd be out of a job simply because you and others want it cancelled? Do they not matter? This is what I'm trying to wrap my head around.
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Dec 17 2015, 05:51 PM
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Who is actually "trying" to get a show cancelled? And by what means? That's not even an attainable goal.
This whole thread reads like a handful taking the ratings reports way too personally.
Edited by Drew, Dec 17 2015, 05:52 PM.
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If NBC has something to replace Days with - the show will be cancelled. However, with how they are doing on primetime, I think it's safe to say that come January, Days will be renewed. Fans don't really have a say in that decision. Viewers being upset over the writing is not new. TPTB know that they can't please everybody. Every viewer is not going to like every storyline. I don't understand trying to get a show cancelled because you think it's bad that you claim you don't watch. The only valid statement someone who stopped watching can make is that by reading the recaps or spoilers, nothing interests them.
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Dec 17 2015, 07:24 PM
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters. Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time. But choosing not to watch also achieves "no product at all." Just because you're unhappy with a product, why deprive others? I understand continuing to comment, but I think many shows suck. So I don't watch them. No need to actively lobby for them to be cancelled (and yes, that is happening. It happens any time the show doesn't include someone's favorite. It's not something new).
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Dec 17 2015, 07:54 PM
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters. Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time.
But choosing not to watch also achieves "no product at all." Just because you're unhappy with a product, why deprive others? I understand continuing to comment, but I think many shows suck. So I don't watch them. No need to actively lobby for them to be cancelled (and yes, that is happening. It happens any time the show doesn't include someone's favorite. It's not something new). Well, I'll agree with you there! I find it ridiculous to "actively lobby" for anything having to do with entertainment. All of that time, energy, attention, and money could be much more well spent on issues of vital importance to humanity and life of earth rather than an f-ing TV show.... Imagine the possibilities!
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And I am curious. I read here about those who seem to brag about no longer watching Days. Reasons given are their favs no longer on show, or unhappy with storylines, or writers, just various things.
So...is the intention to help get the show cancelled? It cannot be to try and get their favs back, or storyline changed. Heck, with filming 6 mos. in advance, whatever is already done.
If Days is cancelled, it means the end. No more fav couple, character, better story for whoever. And ratings are important. So, "no longer watching" has a huge impact, but perhaps not the one intended.
And if, no longer interested in the show, no longer watching, no longer caring, then why continue to visit the boards? I mean no disrespect, I honestly just do not get the thinking/reasoning behind declarations of not watching any more, yet...staying, commenting, etc. among those whose who are watching. It just seems that contributing to a ratings decline would mean one wants the show gone completely. Again, I mean no disrespect, just want to understand the thinking.
Many of the people that I know that have quit watching don't truly want the show cancelled, but sometimes tuning out & a,ratings drop are the only way to get TPTB's attention that viewers are not happy with some of the trash being written. They may not care if they get 10,000 angry tweets a day, but losing 300,000+ viewers in a week will probably get someone's attention, especially if it's a trend that continues. I get that the show tapes 5-6 months ahead, but I think many upset viewers would be patient & tune back in if they thought some of the ridiculous story direction were going to be turned around. This regime seems very much about what THEY want instead of what the fans want with a few exceptions. I don't think they give a damn how many tweets, emails, letters come their way, but a nose dive in the ratings will get someone's attention. If people don't tune out then they will continue to run their agenda of making Rope the new Salem supercouple, turning Rafe into Daniel Jonas 2.0, replacing the Brady's with the Hernandez clan as the core Salem family, throwing every popular fan base it can get it's hands on under the bus (Wilson, Haiden, Ericole), letting talented actors like DC, GV, & KDP go & bringing on a bunch of useless newbies. Even many of the things done during the 50th that fans tuned in for were just to launch their agendas into orbit (turning the Bope reunion into a launch pad for Rope). I think Stayla fans are just lucky that JG is a huge Kayla fan. Like I said, Griffley only seems concerned with running their agenda & really give less than a shit about the fans & even actor input. Unfortunately with this regime only numbers will inspire change. I saw this coming when GG & his wife were practically orgasmic when Dena the hack's return was announced, he new that Days of Rafe's Life was a go, be damned what viewers thought. Fortunately people are able to keep tabs on the show through social media, etc. so they can decide if they want to tune in. I don't think you have to watch the show itself in order to have thoughts, opinions that are relevant, & making a dent in the ratings is the only way to communicate with this crew.
You've described every fan reaction to every regime ever. You've also described how every regime ever has worked. In order to write for some people, other people have to be disappointed. That's just how it is when not everyone likes the exact same things. It blows my mind that any of this is treated like something new. Your feelings for Griffley are my feelings for TomSell. And other people's feelings for MarDar, HigSell, Sheffer, JER, and it goes on and on. No, you don't have to watch to comment. But it can be hard for you and frustrating to others to be active in discussion with people who are watching when you're not. I know this from experience on both sides. That being said, I do think the goal to get a show cancelled is silly. I get wanting a ratings drop so that change will happen (that was my wish throughout TomSell), but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly. I don't think most people tuning out want the show cancelled. I simply pointed out that sometimes the only way to get TPTB's attention to make changes is a ratings drop. I get that you can't please all fans all of the time, but there is also a difference between writing for fans, & writing for themselves. I don't think Rafe is being thrust front & center & Rope is full speed because fans want it.... that's what Dena wanted. Writers should do what is best for the show, and yes, not everyone can be made happy, but some of the stuff being written now is clearly to push personal agendas.
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters. Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time. So, in effect, if grandma isn't as exciting and fun and well-put-together as she used to be, toss her out, move away, or marry into a new family.
Sounds outrageous, but that's in effect what you are saying. The daily soap is different than some random entertainment moment, at least that's how it has been for many many folks for many many years. For some, it's clearly a disposable moment.
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I have 30 episodes of the show piled up on the DVR taking up too much space because I don't want to watch how Bo passed away and the aftermath due to things that have happened in my life recently. The episodes before those are because I was too busy to watch them. I keep thinking I might be able to watch most of them at a later time so I haven't deleted anything. The DVR is getting full though so I may try and watch some of them. I don't want the show cancelled I just wish they'd broaden their horizons story line wise.
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I THINK it's been suggested that if you don't watch you don't have a right to an opinion. I tend to think if you read the PBP you have at least a faint idea of what is happening onscreen and therefore can give your opinion. So that is why even if I don't watch I still post. I don't post much in the daily thread, but if something hits me I do.
No, it was not suggested that if you don't watch you don't have a right to an opinion. You always have a right to an opinion. It was stated, by me, that if you tell me you're not watching and then tell me just how bad what you're not watching is, I'm going to be casting some side eye your direction. Because yes, you can get the gist from reading but you can't get the full context. So, I'm not suggesting that you (or anybody else) can't or shouldn't post your opinions about what you're not watching. I'm just saying that I, personally - not speaking for anyone else, don't tend to take those opinions too seriously. Not that you (or anyone else) does or should care what I think. Maybe not the full context, but I still think you can get a pretty good idea of the directions of the show and whether it is something worth watching or not.
I think it's similar to reading a book, you know whether it's good or not, especially since many times there is a full transcript of the show. I can't comment on the acting going on, but I can comment on plot, etc.
BTW, since Ari/Nicole was on today I will most likely watch.
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I don't understand trying to get a show cancelled because you think it's bad that you claim you don't watch. Someone stopping watching does not get the show cancelled. Criticizing the show doesn't get the show cancelled. You'd need a massive amount of people, like 10s of thousands all who happen to be metered, to stop watching the show and no one person just dropping the show and complaining on twitter is influencing that.
Sorry but some fans just need to get a grip and relax. Differences in opinion and taste are what make us a society, we're not personally taking out your soap because we'd rather be watching something else.
Too many people thinking they're network executives because they read a ratings breakdown or read some behind the scenes gossip about a writing regime. (Not directed at at anyone specifically) Just enjoy the show for however long it's on for if you're so inclined and leave the people alone who aren't so inclined.
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If NBC has something to replace Days with - the show will be cancelled. However, with how they are doing on primetime, I think it's safe to say that come January, Days will be renewed. Fans don't really have a say in that decision. NBC has been the #1 network in the key demo for a few seasons now. They have strong ratings from Sunday to Wednesday with the NFL, the Voice and the Chicago franchise. But I don't think the network's success in primetime is a bad thing for Days.
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters. Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time.
So, in effect, if grandma isn't as exciting and fun and well-put-together as she used to be, toss her out, move away, or marry into a new family. Sounds outrageous, but that's in effect what you are saying. The daily soap is different than some random entertainment moment, at least that's how it has been for many many folks for many many years. For some, it's clearly a disposable moment. No, that's not effectively being said. It's honestly problematic when a tv show is apparently on par with a family member. It really just comes down to quality vs quantity. If a show you absolutely loved has become beyond repair, it isn't strange to rather have it put out of its misery and remembered for what it once was. I've never felt this way about Days because I do just think its the cousin who needs to get his shit together but there are other shows I've hoped would would call it a day because all its potential has been exhausted. Obviously a consequence of a show ending is unemployment but that would happen at some point or another with any tv show.
I do agree actively working to get a show cancelled is wrong (and stupid because fans do not have that power) but that's not the same as just wanting it to end because you hate what its become.
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... but wanting cancellation for a show you don't watch doesn't make a whole lot of sense. While I get where it's coming from, it's still silly.
I have to disagree. I know that this is going to be the most unpopular opinion, but nevertheless, I would prefer a quality product or nothing at all. It really sucks when you are invested in a show (which many Days fans very much are to lesser or greater extents) and the show is really quite good, but then becomes a shadow of its former self or flat-out laughably awful. It's rather depressing. I for one would rather see it gone than watch or hear about the terrible deterioration of characters and stories that were once well done ... And I'm looking at you Twin Peaks, X-Files, Arrested Development and Seinfeld finale episode (among others)! I really don't like having low expectations and if Days and GH can't get it together (I have no care for nor feelings toward Y&R or B&B), I'd rather see them canceled than continue to become more and more horrible and ruin so many of their formerly rootable and enjoyable characters. Why still read and/or comment on boards? Because you may want to see if anything has changed for the better or if there is any interesting news, or may just want to keep loose ties to something that has been a part of your life for such a long time.
So, in effect, if grandma isn't as exciting and fun and well-put-together as she used to be, toss her out, move away, or marry into a new family. Sounds outrageous, but that's in effect what you are saying. The daily soap is different than some random entertainment moment, at least that's how it has been for many many folks for many many years. For some, it's clearly a disposable moment. As someone who has lost all of her grandparents, two to long painful deaths where I do feel they were better off when they passed on, I find this offensive. A soap isn't a family member. Growing old isn't something you can stop, and just because you hated to see them suffer and know they are better off, doesn't mean they were disposable or that you don't miss them.
As I said earlier, I've stopped watching Days before and thought it may be better for it to be cancelled. Not because I hate Days, but because the Days I was seeing wasn't the Days I've loved over the years. The show with characters I loved and great stories. I'd hate for it to go out as a cut-rate porn show when it used to be so much about love and family, so that's when I think, it would have been better for it to have been cancelled than come to this.
I originally watched for Doug and Julie, Tom and Alice, Bill, Laura, Mickey, Mike, and happily added on new characters, new families. I loved Marlena with Don, and kept following her. Then I loved the Brady's, and the family kept growing, and is growing again now.
Last night, my son and husband both caught part of the 'brainwashing', and the comments alone were fun. My son said, isn't that what they did to John. I said yes, but this is Andre, Stephano's son, and Chad, Stephano's other son. We had quite the fun discussion as they've seen bits of the show for years, but we discussed the Chabby and Black story in general, so now they are caught up. Both agreed Steffie was better at brainwashing, lol.
Unlike years ago when there was dual elevator sex, and my older son walked by and raised an eye at me, and I pretty much had nothing.
And I've never campaigned for any show to be cancelled. Why would I care if a show is on, if I don't want to watch? I just stop watching. Period, and try not to think of how the show is trashing the Corday's beautiful work.
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Daytime needs to change and evolve to survive, just like primetime has and does, and Griffley and Alarr are at least acting in accordance with that.
And that's been Days (and US Daytime's) problem all along, their refusal to evolve. It's still 1980/1990 in daytime land, to where they're now just bad telenovellas. Weekday serialized storytelling around the world has proven you don't need science fiction, super villains, and end of the world plots. Just three dimensional characters in a setting living interesting lives. (like the 70s used to do)
I am going to disagree with your timeline....but just a little bit. I do not think the early 80s were, for DAYS anyway, overtaken by gimmicky/scifi cr*p. Yes there were a few gimmicks used but they were basically background to people driven stories. And what worked in the first half of the 80s, for me, anyway, was the slow build of relationships. Writers allowed the viewers to get to know new character in many ways, other than just their romantic relationships. I will use Bo as an example. We got to know Bo, through his relationship with his big brother Roman first; then with some flirtations with Hope and the back story of them having know each other as children but had not see each other since she left for boarding school and she for the merchant marines. We got to know Bo through with his need to prove himself to Shawn Brady, see his level of hurt thinking Shawn preferred Roman over him which of course then tied into the Caroline/Victor story. We saw Bo's relationship with Kayla, their closeness, her protectiveness. Ditto Kim. We saw his humor with Eugene. I could do the same for Hope but I think I made my point. Bo and Hope became popular not because of some gimmick (whether it crazy Andre framing Roman); or the baca that Eugene needed to prevent Stefano from causing an explosion, but because viewers got to know both Bo and Hope as individuals first who but then who displayed the romantic chemistry with each other, so strong it could not be denied. We knew Stefano was the villain, clear and simple, and while he hated Roman, we also saw how he lusted after, wanted Marlena to be his queen but he never acted on it. He did his evil, and disappeared. When we though he was gone and everyone was safe, slowly and eerily clues add up to the return. He was a villain, not Mr. Resident and Neighbor rich guy whose very victims and eye witnesses to his crimes were incapable of getting justice. In between crime/adventure stories we saw the friendship of Caroline and Alice. We saw Doug and Julies conflicts over Hope. Gimmicks were background.......characters and their relationships drove stories, characters between believable friends and families. Villain were brought and motives were explored (e.g Patch going after Bo). Background and aftermath were not ignored. I believe things started to change in the 90s.......maybe late, late 80s. Definitely when JER took over in the 90s, the GIMMICK was the star, the characters were mixed and matched with characteristics as if the audience did not care who was loyal, who had a sense of humor, who was always suspicious, who was always trusting, who committed heinous crimes. To me that started the downfall......suddenly "actor proof" writing was the rage because characters did not matter and couples/romance did not matter. Gimmick driven, shock the audience stories, bed hopping became the norm and the shows were trying to outdo each other with sensationalistism. Crazy plot drive stories ruled and IMO the sillier they got the more unwatchable the shows became and what kept me tuned in to stories I sometimes hated was loyalty to the actors/characters/families I loved and cared about. I know many will disagree but that is how I saw it.
While I agree that gimmicks became a bigger thing in the 90s, I disagee that it was the only thing that mattered. JER himself said something about "the Possession being an attention grabber but it was always a love story". I also don't know what you mean with bed hopping being the norm and that couples/romance did not matter. If anything, under JER the show was all about couples. John & Marlena, Bo & Hope (or Bo & Billie when RKK was in the role), Austin & Carrie, Jack & Jennifer. The stories and plots were about these couples fighting to be together, the gimmicks were just a way to get the attention and draw viewers in. If it was just about gimmicks JER would have rushed through plot after plot like Josh and Dena have done during the 50th hype. But JER was accused of dragging things out and taking things slowly until the big climax (with fakeouts along the way). If you just look at the surface, the 90s were about Carly being buried alive, Marlena possessed by the devil, Kristen and the lookalikes, etc. In reality there were so much more. And like Drew said about the 80s "are known as the era of Stefano DiMera, prisms, underground cities, world freezing mad men, sweeping adventure stories that went beyond the fantastic." These are the things people bring up, but recaps can never capture what is actually playing out on-screen. Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I despised JER's writing. I believe he characterized love stories as the "damsel in distress" with the mentality of the villain tying the poor beleaguered female across the railroad tracks. His villains were, to me, more silly than menacing. He pushed, IMO, the Madonna vs the Whore mentality of the catholic church. That to me is what POSSESSION is about......two sides of the female. Her saintly madonna side being "possessed" with the evil side. I grew up going to catholic school coming of age in an era where Madonna vs Whore was the prototype for females. JER's horrid rendition of "love" stories turned me off totally. Attention getters are used, I get it....some writers see the audience as too unable to focus to tell a story. I reject that false generalization as much as I reject that people over a certain age do not interest advertisers because they don't "buy" stuff new......it's been proven over and over as BS yet the corporate networks keep the myth going because hiring new "young talent" over and over is a budget saving plan.
I also hated his constant "sex between the wrong partners" being done symmetrically (eg. Bo and Billie doing it just as Patrick and Hope were). To be fair that seemed to be a gimmick (quads) most soaps adopted at some point. Stupid then, stupid now.
Anyway, to each his own. I think the arguments between the anti JER fans and the pro JER fans will probably go on ad infinitum.
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