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Just Curious; no longer watching
Topic Started: Dec 15 2015, 08:46 PM (10,120 Views)
JaimeLannister


Kriss4
Dec 23 2015, 09:49 AM
DJsMommy
Dec 23 2015, 04:00 AM
Kriss4
Dec 22 2015, 05:25 PM
This.

Sure. Will was taken off canvas in the serial killer storyline. But he did get an exit. He got a funeral. Salem grieves for him still. Maybe not as much as we think they should, but he is being thought of. He matters.

When Steve and Kayla left in 2009, there WAS no goodbye. We were just told one day that they were in Africa. Even when Kayla returned in 2011, she never got a story in four years. Four. Years.

John and Marlena got a rushed exit then too. They weren't even the main story the day they left. They didn't even get the most airtime on their last day.

It's only in the past few months that I think that J/M and S/K are appreciated.
I think a lot of the blame for the way the aftermath of Will's death was handled can be laid at the feet of AS. Where we saw Eve continue to grieve her daughter following the funeral, we got the polar opposite with Sami. As usual, Sami was all about Sami & her lovelife. :rolleyes:

Remember, AS "fought for" that story. :glare:
I don't see why Ali fought for the EJ angle. Sami's time and focus should have really been on the death of her son and the grief she felt. If that truly was a condition for her return, then SHE weakened the aftermath of Will's death.

If she felt strongly enough about leaving the door open for Ejami, she should have agreed to return again in a few months for a short arc about that. This past visit should have been exclusively about Will.
Nah. The buck stops with the writers. They may have been forced to write what AS wanted (though, they were already in a fix since she wasn't here long term) but that doesn't explain why the other characters couldn't have gotten major story from Will's death.
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Bellarke <3

I just think the timing was bad. They had to get to the Bicentennial and Haiden/Bo, so they rushed/skipped a few things. Although KDP killed it, they could have shorten the grief for Paige and made Will's death earlier.
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Dec 23 2015, 06:17 AM
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Dec 23 2015, 05:16 AM
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Dec 23 2015, 04:39 AM
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Dec 22 2015, 07:42 PM

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Having a gay character that we never see is like having no gay characters. Where do you see Paul on the show? CS is on contract but he seems to be on permanent hiatus. When he pops up once a month, he only gets a few lines. He is hands down the most underused contract player by the new regime. I doubt most fans realize he's still part of the show, maybe they think he's just recurring now. I hope it changes and he starts having more airtime again soon.

Personally, I'm really glad Will is off the show, I couldn't stand the character anymore so it was a good decision to write him off. The problem for me is the offensive way it was done. If they gave him a good death and if they wrote a farewell for WilSon, it would have shown that the writers respected the character and the couple. I know a lot of fans are pissed because they loved Will and Guy Wilson but I'm not one of them personally.
I don't think Will's death was done in a offensive way. He was an innocent victim of the SK. He didn't overdose or kill himself and other people while DUI.
Yes, he didn't get goodbye scenes like Bo but so didn't Paige or Serena (it often happens IRL as well that you don't have a chance to say goodbye to the persons you love, and - not to forget - FS was out of the show at the time).
Maybe it wasn't their intention to be offensive but since it offended people it was offensive by definition. One of the things that offended me is that the gay guy was shown on the ground defenseless as the straight guy was sucking the life out of him. Why wasn't Will allowed to fight back a little bit? Ben might be stronger than him but to me it seems that they really wanted to portray the gay guy as weak. Then later, the body was shoved in a laundry bag like trash, it was a powerful image... I really don't understand why they thought it was okay to do this, they must have known that some viewers would be more sensitive to his death because of who he was.

Paige and Serena got more closure than Will. Their relationships with JJ and Eric were getting better at the end. Will didn't get to see Sonny again after he left for Paris. And Sonny didn't get to see Will at the hospital or at the morgue. There was no ghost scene and the show didn't even bother to show a flashback of the couple. I think they could have done way better than this, again knowing some viewers would be sensitive because it was a gay couple.

I mean, it is what it is, it's done. I just hope TPTB heard that what they did wasn't okay for a lot of viewers and that they learned a lesson.
Well by this definition, pretty much any and everything on any show can be deemed offensive since no matter what the story, someone in the audience will be offended. Aiden fans were offended by the writing. Before that Bo fans were offended by the writing. Some Hope fans are offended by anything written good about Bo Brady.

Your definition is way too broad to make sense.

As for Will being deemed weak, what does that make Chad? Sure he lived but he lost the battle with Ben as much as Will did, was left to die. Will was taken by surprise and a weapon (necktie....a tie of any sort when around the neck can be a weapon) was used? Chad and Ben fought man to man and Chad was put in a coma and nearly killed. How does Will look any weaker? Chad had a chance to defend himself and failed. Will did not even have that chance by virtue of the surprise. To me, Chad actually looks weaker.

Sorry, I disagree that killing Will off in that way was offensive. Losing a favorite is always disheartening. Losing a legacy character is difficult. I agree that killing off Will was a mistake but I do not think it had anything to do with homophobia. I think the "shock" factor of killing off a legacy character was being used to get ratings. Same thing with Zach. I hated them killing off Zach and having Bo's daughter kill his son. That was some sick writing and I barely could watch. Zach was just as much of a legacy as Will.

Before you say killing of Zach. who was relatively new because he was only on for a few years since he was a child, was less important, I will argue this: then Will was way less a legacy icon than Bo cause Will has only been around half the time Bo has been on.
In the end it is not about quantity, or whether the character was an icon for breaking through for a group......cause surely killing off Lexie, one of the few AA characters on the show, represented a breakthrough also. It was about some fans losing a favorite character in a poorly constructed story and seemingly for no reason. Will's death was not necessary and was only for shock value. Bad decision. That's all.
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franciose


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Dec 22 2015, 10:57 AM
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Dec 22 2015, 10:39 AM
Soap operas were created by Proctor and Gamble to sell soap to housewives, who folded laundry and watched tv in the afternoons when the baby was sleeping. The story lines were all about feelings. Times and audiences have changed, so the soaps have to, as well. What they HAVE to do is be popular enough to entice advertisers, otherwise they make no money. Profit, not personal writer agendas, are what drive everything. These shows are products. If a consumer tires of a product, s/he quits buying. It's all about consumer dollar votes and nothing about changing social attitudes.


If it's all about money, that means someone at the top drew the conclusion that gay characters were good for business from 2011-2014 and then bad for business in 2015. It's surprising. I would love to know what these conclusions were based on.
It is all about money, but it's not all about one thing, and it's based on research. It's highly unlikely that it's as straightforward as you say: gay characters good for business 2011-2014 and bad 2015. It's far more likely based on several variables, and I've seen many very plausible ones mentioned in this thread and others about actor schedules, interests, popularity, etc. The only one I am as close to sure about as I can be is that GW was not a good actor and they wanted him gone. From there it goes into conjecture, e.g., he's gotta go, so here is a great time to do it, also FS is whatever and CS is whatever, it's the 50th so what a shock and audience draw.....blah blah. I'm not saying characters being gay had nothing to do with it; it may have. It seemed to me that that drew in viewers and there was much enthusiasm for it. But I don't read any forum but this, and what I saw here that someone brought over from Facebook was pretty nasty. So, are there more viewers driven away by the story than attracted? Only they know and they only know what research, which may well be wrong, tells them.


Just like Nicole and Eric for me is WTF. I'd really like to know why they'd ditch such an obviously popular couple, and I am sure it's not just one thing. Was it because "they" had something against Catholic priests? Maybe, but I doubt it.

As for the accuracy of their research, I couldn't say.
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Dec 23 2015, 04:39 AM
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Dec 23 2015, 04:00 AM
Kriss4
Dec 22 2015, 05:25 PM
This.

Sure. Will was taken off canvas in the serial killer storyline. But he did get an exit. He got a funeral. Salem grieves for him still. Maybe not as much as we think they should, but he is being thought of. He matters.

When Steve and Kayla left in 2009, there WAS no goodbye. We were just told one day that they were in Africa. Even when Kayla returned in 2011, she never got a story in four years. Four. Years.

John and Marlena got a rushed exit then too. They weren't even the main story the day they left. They didn't even get the most airtime on their last day.

It's only in the past few months that I think that J/M and S/K are appreciated.
I think a lot of the blame for the way the aftermath of Will's death was handled can be laid at the feet of AS. Where we saw Eve continue to grieve her daughter following the funeral, we got the polar opposite with Sami. As usual, Sami was all about Sami & her lovelife. :rolleyes:

Remember, AS "fought for" that story. :glare:
Well maybe partly. But the show also has Lucas... they could've showed him grieving just as much as they showed Eve with Paige and they didn't.
Oh ITA, and I would rather watch BD over AS any day, but they hardly ever give Lucas a POV. Since AS was not interested in a story grieving & remembering her son, precious time was wasted, the focus taken off Will & put on Sami's cooter.
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JaimeLannister
Dec 23 2015, 05:35 AM
laurondo
Dec 23 2015, 04:39 AM
DJsMommy
Dec 23 2015, 04:00 AM
Kriss4
Dec 22 2015, 05:25 PM
This.

Sure. Will was taken off canvas in the serial killer storyline. But he did get an exit. He got a funeral. Salem grieves for him still. Maybe not as much as we think they should, but he is being thought of. He matters.

When Steve and Kayla left in 2009, there WAS no goodbye. We were just told one day that they were in Africa. Even when Kayla returned in 2011, she never got a story in four years. Four. Years.

John and Marlena got a rushed exit then too. They weren't even the main story the day they left. They didn't even get the most airtime on their last day.

It's only in the past few months that I think that J/M and S/K are appreciated.
I think a lot of the blame for the way the aftermath of Will's death was handled can be laid at the feet of AS. Where we saw Eve continue to grieve her daughter following the funeral, we got the polar opposite with Sami. As usual, Sami was all about Sami & her lovelife. :rolleyes:

Remember, AS "fought for" that story. :glare:
Well maybe partly. But the show also has Lucas... they could've showed him grieving just as much as they showed Eve with Paige and they didn't.
There's also Gabi who they could've used waaay more in grieving Will.
Yes that is true too (and I would've liked to see it), but any time Sami is involved in a story, the focus is always her feelings, reactions, POV.
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I would be surprised if the decisions of the TPTB were based on some elaborate research of what the audience wants, especially because the show tapes so far ahead. I think it's more likely the decisions were based on the preferences of the writers: TomSell loved Daniel, Higley loves Rafe, Griffith loves Kayla. And they all have certain characters/couples that they don't like or care about, they don't write for them or get rid of them.

But maybe not. What would almost make sense is that Griffley were told to stop focusing the show on the characters that were in big stories in early 2015, when the ratings were low. Which is a shame because some of these characters are/were popular, the problem is that they were stuck in bad stories, like Eric and Nicole. I get that they thought they needed to give the show a makeover but they went too far IMO.
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#TeamXander

I've taken long breaks from this show because nothing appealed to me. For so long the show was only being written for a small handful of characters. Other fan favorites were nowhere in sight. I guess each regime will have their pet favorites but at a least now we are back to seeing "classic" characters leading storylines. Although I have to say, Will's death is still a head scratcher to me. I'm not seeing what the long term ramifications are, if any. It seems to me, they killed off a key legacy character for nothing.
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DJsMommy
Dec 23 2015, 04:09 AM
I wonder what would have happened if Freddie had decided to stay on? Would they have killed Will anyway, you think?
Paul Son - Bri Son..... either way it would have been fabulous.....
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Dec 23 2015, 03:38 PM
I would be surprised if the decisions of the TPTB were based on some elaborate research of what the audience wants, especially because the show tapes so far ahead. I think it's more likely the decisions were based on the preferences of the writers: TomSell loved Daniel, Higley loves Rafe, Griffith loves Kayla. And they all have certain characters/couples that they don't like or care about, they don't write for them or get rid of them.

But maybe not. What would almost make sense is that Griffley were told to stop focusing the show on the characters that were in big stories in early 2015, when the ratings were low. Which is a shame because some of these characters are/were popular, the problem is that they were stuck in bad stories, like Eric and Nicole. I get that they thought they needed to give the show a makeover but they went too far IMO.
Well at least Griffith has good taste....
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I like a lot of what they've done, frankly.

But I like Nicole and I DON'T like that she's kind of pushed aside for Theresa. They can both get focus, but if I have to pick, I pick Nicole. I'd rather see her...minus Daniel because I don't like him...but yes to Nicole herself.
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Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
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Oh, yay!!

Christopher Sean IS getting a story!!
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Dec 23 2015, 08:19 PM
Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
I don't know. I didn’t read it as he was gonna get his own storyline. It seemed to me like he was either talking about the show as a whole or his storyline with Drake. Who knows because words can be confusing when you're limited. :shrug:
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Dec 23 2015, 10:58 PM
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Dec 23 2015, 08:19 PM
Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
I don't know. I didn’t read it as he was gonna get his own storyline. It seemed to me like he was either talking about the show as a whole or his storyline with Drake. Who knows because words can be confusing when you're limited. :shrug:
Even if he's in Drake's story with him, he's still in a storyline... He doesn't necessarily need his own. At least he'll be doing SOMETHING.
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Dec 24 2015, 12:07 AM
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Dec 23 2015, 10:58 PM
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Dec 23 2015, 08:19 PM
Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
I don't know. I didn’t read it as he was gonna get his own storyline. It seemed to me like he was either talking about the show as a whole or his storyline with Drake. Who knows because words can be confusing when you're limited. :shrug:
Even if he's in Drake's story with him, he's still in a storyline... He doesn't necessarily need his own. At least he'll be doing SOMETHING.
That's what I was basically saying. We all knew he was involved in the John Black storyline. I was responding to you saying that he was getting his own storyline. I really hope whatever storyline he's in that he will be really involved in it and won't have a small part in it. I'll still take a small part though. His talent is being wasted.
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laurondo
Dec 23 2015, 08:19 PM
Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
That sounds really positive. They must be done resting the character soon. I will be happy with any storyline as long as Paul stays a positive gay character.
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Dec 23 2015, 10:58 PM
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Dec 23 2015, 08:19 PM
Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
I don't know. I didn’t read it as he was gonna get his own storyline. It seemed to me like he was either talking about the show as a whole or his storyline with Drake. Who knows because words can be confusing when you're limited. :shrug:
Considering his tweet was in response to an article on seven shows that need to fix the gay in 2016, I felt this really more about his own story than John's.

However, I'd be thrilled to see him in John's orbit

I just really, really like Paul.
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Dec 23 2015, 03:38 PM
I would be surprised if the decisions of the TPTB were based on some elaborate research of what the audience wants, especially because the show tapes so far ahead. I think it's more likely the decisions were based on the preferences of the writers: TomSell loved Daniel, Higley loves Rafe, Griffith loves Kayla. And they all have certain characters/couples that they don't like or care about, they don't write for them or get rid of them.

But maybe not. What would almost make sense is that Griffley were told to stop focusing the show on the characters that were in big stories in early 2015, when the ratings were low. Which is a shame because some of these characters are/were popular, the problem is that they were stuck in bad stories, like Eric and Nicole. I get that they thought they needed to give the show a makeover but they went too far IMO.
Oh, I doubt that the research is elaborate at all. My bet is that they use focus groups, something one is supposed to use before a more representative sample. And, since participants are usually paid, they tend to say what they think the people doing it want to hear.

Anyway, I have quit watching and I couldn't have said why until reading what people have been saying about Higley writing. I quit just after Bo died, and not to protest the death or anything like that. I just...quit. Got tired of it. And this after decades of watching. After suffering, and I do mean suffering, through the hideous Sami/Elvis years. It may be that I just couldn't take the Higley crap anymore. I was skeptical with the new regime from the beginning because it included her. I thought the whole Aiden wanting to kill Hope thing was stupid; I thought Bo's sudden, neat and quick death was silly; I didn't want to see Ava again; I didn't like Lani or the new Ciara or Chase; I was sick of great-granny Kate simpering at and fucking every new male over 18; I hated the destruction of Nicole/Eric and despised Daniel.

I tuned in one day for a couple of scenes and saw Ciara still speaking through clenched teeth, bony, crazy Ava, and, dear God, a fucking SHRINE to Dan right next to Alice and Tom's plaque. UGH!

I'd rather spend the time reading a book.
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sitrian
Dec 24 2015, 02:24 AM
Daysfan17
Dec 23 2015, 10:58 PM
laurondo
Dec 23 2015, 08:19 PM
Christopher Sean tweeted earlier that he promises that his story is going to get good, that great news is coming.

So I'm guessing he's going to get his own stuff again, we just need to be a little bit more patient. :shrug:
I don't know. I didn’t read it as he was gonna get his own storyline. It seemed to me like he was either talking about the show as a whole or his storyline with Drake. Who knows because words can be confusing when you're limited. :shrug:
Considering his tweet was in response to an article on seven shows that need to fix the gay in 2016, I felt this really more about his own story than John's.

However, I'd be thrilled to see him in John's orbit

I just really, really like Paul.
I like Paul too and wish he had more story.

I always thought KL's Brady would be the next John when they finally changed Brady to nice Brady, and I hoped Shawn would be the next Bo. I'd like for Paul to step up. I had hoped to see John, Steve, and Bo adventuring with their children (not excluding their womenfolk of course).

I don't hate the younger male characters but they're just not overly interesting, with the exception of Chad. I think Paul would be if he had some story. It would also be nice to have Eric become friends with Paul and become more family oriented. I know that probably should be Brady since Eric is leaving, but Eric seems more likely to have a brotherly bond.
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