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So Hope and Rafe are going to frame Andre for Stefano's murder. Good god, can they ruin these characters anymore?! It's like Higley took a fleet of Mack trucks and ran over them with Stefano's murder, and now she broke out the steamroller just for good measure.
Compared to Hope and Rafe, the damage she's done to other characters (Steve, Kayla, Nicole, Belle, etc.) looks like an easy fix.
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So Hope and Rafe are going to frame Andre for Stefano's murder.
Good god, can they ruin these characters anymore?! It's like Higley took a fleet of Mack trucks and ran over them with Stefano's murder, and now she broke out the steamroller just for good measure. Compared to Hope and Rafe, the damage she's done to other characters (Steve, Kayla, Nicole, Belle, etc.) looks like an easy fix. So she kills Stefano, they cover it up, then they frame his son for the murder. This keeps sucking.
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So Hope and Rafe are going to frame Andre for Stefano's murder.
Good god, can they ruin these characters anymore?! It's like Higley took a fleet of Mack trucks and ran over them with Stefano's murder, and now she broke out the steamroller just for good measure. Compared to Hope and Rafe, the damage she's done to other characters (Steve, Kayla, Nicole, Belle, etc.) looks like an easy fix.
So she kills Stefano, they cover it up, then they frame his son for the murder. This keeps sucking. I want to be excited to see the revenge that Andre would exact on them, but it's all so contrived & he's being written as such a lousy "villain" right now, plus they're both completely unsympathetic in all of this I can't seem to muster it up. :yawnz:
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So she kills Stefano, they cover it up, then they frame his son for the murder. This keeps sucking.
I want to be excited to see the revenge that Andre would exact on them, but it's all so contrived & he's being written as such a lousy "villain" right now, plus they're both completely unsympathetic in all of this I can't seem to muster it up. :yawnz: I really want Hope to find out Deimos was behind Bo's kidnapping and she killed Stefano totally in error.
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So she kills Stefano, they cover it up, then they frame his son for the murder. This keeps sucking.
I want to be excited to see the revenge that Andre would exact on them, but it's all so contrived & he's being written as such a lousy "villain" right now, plus they're both completely unsympathetic in all of this I can't seem to muster it up. :yawnz: Yep.
RE Andre:
I think the problem with his return is, as someone mentioned a few days ago, the show doesn't have the budget to carry out some big, crazy DiMera plot. So, his revenge comes across as very pedestrian. I mean, setting a kid's backpack on fire? Really? That's what passes for DiMera revenge now days?
That's why I think the days of big, OTT villains should be over. I mean, Ben and Clyde scared the crap out of me, and they were written as backwards, lower-class people from the Ozarks. Sometimes "grounding" the bad guys with more relatable backgrounds makes them more effective, IMO.
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I want to be excited to see the revenge that Andre would exact on them, but it's all so contrived & he's being written as such a lousy "villain" right now, plus they're both completely unsympathetic in all of this I can't seem to muster it up. :yawnz:
Yep. RE Andre: I think the problem with his return is, as someone mentioned a few days ago, the show doesn't have the budget to carry out some big, crazy DiMera plot. So, his revenge comes across as very pedestrian. I mean, setting a kid's backpack on fire? Really? That's what passes for DiMera revenge now days? That's why I think the days of big, OTT villains should be over. I mean, Ben and Clyde scared the crap out of me, and they were written as backwards, lower-class people from the Ozarks. Sometimes "grounding" the bad guys with more relatable backgrounds makes them more effective, IMO. I think Deimos has a chance. They could say he was orchestrating all kinds of evil doings from prison with the right illegal contacts. I was thinking about Petrov showing up. John and Steve made a point of saying Victor killed him years ago. Since he shows up, he isn't dead so maybe Deimos used him and his tie into winterthorne and got bad guys to get Bo. It can't be an accident John is helping Philip with this.
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Yep. RE Andre: I think the problem with his return is, as someone mentioned a few days ago, the show doesn't have the budget to carry out some big, crazy DiMera plot. So, his revenge comes across as very pedestrian. I mean, setting a kid's backpack on fire? Really? That's what passes for DiMera revenge now days? That's why I think the days of big, OTT villains should be over. I mean, Ben and Clyde scared the crap out of me, and they were written as backwards, lower-class people from the Ozarks. Sometimes "grounding" the bad guys with more relatable backgrounds makes them more effective, IMO.
I think Deimos has a chance. They could say he was orchestrating all kinds of evil doings from prison with the right illegal contacts. I was thinking about Petrov showing up. John and Steve made a point of saying Victor killed him years ago. Since he shows up, he isn't dead so maybe Deimos used him and his tie into winterthorne and got bad guys to get Bo. It can't be an accident John is helping Philip with this. Yeah, I haven't given up on Deimos just yet...mostly because of VI.
My biggest concern with the John story is that with all the rewrites his background has undergone through the years, it's going to become super convoluted no matter how they write it.
It's still "on track" right now, I think, mainly because it hasn't gotten a lot of airtime yet, and Dena seemingly kept her hands off of it.
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I think Deimos has a chance. They could say he was orchestrating all kinds of evil doings from prison with the right illegal contacts. I was thinking about Petrov showing up. John and Steve made a point of saying Victor killed him years ago. Since he shows up, he isn't dead so maybe Deimos used him and his tie into winterthorne and got bad guys to get Bo. It can't be an accident John is helping Philip with this.
Yeah, I haven't given up on Deimos just yet...mostly because of VI. My biggest concern with the John story is that with all the rewrites his background has undergone through the years, it's going to become super convoluted no matter how they write it. It's still "on track" right now, I think, mainly because it hasn't gotten a lot of airtime yet, and Dena seemingly kept her hands off of it. LOL I totally agree her not touching it is the best thing that happened. I kind of think this becomes more about him trying to end winterthorne now. Part of me still thinks his father is part of it.
And I'm definitely hoping they tie John and the assassins and Bo going missing and Deimos together.
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Feb 10 2016, 06:33 PM
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Yeah, I haven't given up on Deimos just yet...mostly because of VI. My biggest concern with the John story is that with all the rewrites his background has undergone through the years, it's going to become super convoluted no matter how they write it. It's still "on track" right now, I think, mainly because it hasn't gotten a lot of airtime yet, and Dena seemingly kept her hands off of it.
LOL I totally agree her not touching it is the best thing that happened. I kind of think this becomes more about him trying to end winterthorne now. Part of me still thinks his father is part of it. And I'm definitely hoping they tie John and the assassins and Bo going missing and Deimos together. This so much!! I hope that whatever information John gives to Sleazebag about Deimos ties into to Bo's kidnapping, and he, Steve, possibly Eduardo or even Hope work together to avenge Bo's death.
Tying Deimos to Winterthorne would definitely make things more interesting!!
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Serial killer resume aside, Andre has always been a clown of a villain. More creepy, unhinged psychopath rather than evil, meticulous semi-complex villain.
My question is what are they planning to do with Bo's kidnapping? So far they've been subtly leading us to believe the Dimera's weren't behind the kidnapping and all subtle clues would point to Deimos. Now that Deimos is here, we're not getting any Bo's kidnapper clues from him so far. Are they going to follow through with Deimos as the mind behind the kidnapping? Will they back-track and reveal that Stefano hired the kidnappers? Will they just drop it all and never acknowledge the Bo kidnapping genesis fully? Who knows?
I'd like to think that with the framing of Andre for Stefano's murder, the other shoe is about ready to drop on Hope & Rafe. Redemption ain't that hard to get to here IMO but the cover up needs to end sooner than later. I mean some of you guys are rooting for Andre now-days, see my point re:redemption? As long as you don't drop too many no-worries cabin scenes on Hope, she has the angles of believing Stefano had Bo kidnapped and knowing that confessing means leaving her family more vulnerable because she will be locked up - all of that preceded by her more or less having a mental break-down. Plus IF they reveal the kidnapper wasn't hired by Stefano, despite the long and twisted history between S/H you are going to have her troubled by taking his life essentially for something he did not do (questioning what that makes her). The only way you mess up more or less beyond hope with Hope is if you keep this going for months more and/or have her let Rafe take the fall for her.
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I want to be excited to see the revenge that Andre would exact on them, but it's all so contrived & he's being written as such a lousy "villain" right now, plus they're both completely unsympathetic in all of this I can't seem to muster it up. :yawnz:
I really want Hope to find out Deimos was behind Bo's kidnapping and she killed Stefano totally in error. And then explain it to Theo....
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Feb 10 2016, 06:56 PM
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Serial killer resume aside, Andre has always been a clown of a villain. More creepy, unhinged psychopath rather than evil, meticulous semi-complex villain.
My question is what are they planning to do with Bo's kidnapping? So far they've been subtly leading us to believe the Dimera's weren't behind the kidnapping and all subtle clues would point to Deimos. Now that Deimos is here, we're not getting any Bo's kidnapper clues from him so far. Are they going to follow through with Deimos as the mind behind the kidnapping? Will they back-track and reveal that Stefano hired the kidnappers? Will they just drop it all and never acknowledge the Bo kidnapping genesis fully? Who knows?
I'd like to think that with the framing of Andre for Stefano's murder, the other shoe is about ready to drop on Hope & Rafe. Redemption ain't that hard to get to here IMO but the cover up needs to end sooner than later. I mean some of you guys are rooting for Andre now-days, see my point re:redemption? As long as you don't drop too many no-worries cabin scenes on Hope, she has the angles of believing Stefano had Bo kidnapped and knowing that confessing means leaving her family more vulnerable because she will be locked up - all of that preceded by her more or less having a mental break-down. Plus IF they reveal the kidnapper wasn't hired by Stefano, despite the long and twisted history between S/H you are going to have her troubled by taking his life essentially for something he did not do (questioning what that makes her). The only way you mess up more or less beyond hope with Hope is if you keep this going for months more and/or have her let Rafe take the fall for her. Oh, I have no doubt that the show is going to gloss over most of Hope's sins in order to redeem her. However, that doesn't mean I'm just going to swallow what they're selling.
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Feb 10 2016, 06:58 PM
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My question is what are they planning to do with Bo's kidnapping? I have a funny feeling that the answer is absolutely nothing. Nothing at all.
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Feb 10 2016, 07:10 PM
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I want to be excited to see the revenge that Andre would exact on them, but it's all so contrived & he's being written as such a lousy "villain" right now, plus they're both completely unsympathetic in all of this I can't seem to muster it up. :yawnz:
Yep. RE Andre: I think the problem with his return is, as someone mentioned a few days ago, the show doesn't have the budget to carry out some big, crazy DiMera plot. So, his revenge comes across as very pedestrian. I mean, setting a kid's backpack on fire? Really? That's what passes for DiMera revenge now days? That's why I think the days of big, OTT villains should be over. I mean, Ben and Clyde scared the crap out of me, and they were written as backwards, lower-class people from the Ozarks. Sometimes "grounding" the bad guys with more relatable backgrounds makes them more effective, IMO. Ben was a FANTASTIC villain because he actually believed in what he was doing it for. He was so unhinged he'd literally made himself believe that Chad made him strangle three people to death. It also helped that he had a cute face and a cute smile that made him charming, to cover up the psychotic. Ben was able to switch between charm and crazy so easily that it became terrifying.
The problem with the DiMeras - and it has been for a while - is that no one really knows why they hate the Bradys/Hortons? They did the Santo/Colleen thing years ago, but I think pretty much everyone pretends that didn't happen. But other than that? What are they "enemies" about? EJ was good because at least he had a purpose with his villainy - Sami. Stefano was the same decades ago with Marlena, but Stefano hasn't been frightening in a long time. Andre is coming off as just creepy and incredibly whiny, especially with Chad. It just seems like he's having a hissyfit because his brother won't pay attention to him.
They need to go back to a DiMera-Kiriakis feud, with Chad and Alex (the real one, as in Sonny's brother) at the forefront, since nuPhillip doesn't seem all the villainous to me.
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Yep. RE Andre: I think the problem with his return is, as someone mentioned a few days ago, the show doesn't have the budget to carry out some big, crazy DiMera plot. So, his revenge comes across as very pedestrian. I mean, setting a kid's backpack on fire? Really? That's what passes for DiMera revenge now days? That's why I think the days of big, OTT villains should be over. I mean, Ben and Clyde scared the crap out of me, and they were written as backwards, lower-class people from the Ozarks. Sometimes "grounding" the bad guys with more relatable backgrounds makes them more effective, IMO.
Ben was a FANTASTIC villain because he actually believed in what he was doing it for. He was so unhinged he'd literally made himself believe that Chad made him strangle three people to death. It also helped that he had a cute face and a cute smile that made him charming, to cover up the psychotic. Ben was able to switch between charm and crazy so easily that it became terrifying. The problem with the DiMeras - and it has been for a while - is that no one really knows why they hate the Bradys/Hortons? They did the Santo/Colleen thing years ago, but I think pretty much everyone pretends that didn't happen. But other than that? What are they "enemies" about? EJ was good because at least he had a purpose with his villainy - Sami. Stefano was the same decades ago with Marlena, but Stefano hasn't been frightening in a long time. Andre is coming off as just creepy and incredibly whiny, especially with Chad. It just seems like he's having a hissyfit because his brother won't pay attention to him. They need to go back to a DiMera-Kiriakis feud, with Chad and Alex (the real one, as in Sonny's brother) at the forefront, since nuPhillip doesn't seem all the villainous to me. tl;dr I think they need to drop the villain part of the DiMeras for a while. The DiMeras were most successful (IMO) when they were in and out. That's been a problem for almost the last entire last decade. They haven't really been out, and as a result, they've become about as lame as humanly possible as villains. Even in the last several years, there have been some instances of them being decent villains, but then having to keep them in town after some of the more OTT stuff has really watered them down. I think Chad works as kind of the anti-DiMera, but if they tried to make him a legitimate villain, he'd be in the same boat.
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LOL I totally agree her not touching it is the best thing that happened. I kind of think this becomes more about him trying to end winterthorne now. Part of me still thinks his father is part of it. And I'm definitely hoping they tie John and the assassins and Bo going missing and Deimos together.
This so much!! I hope that whatever information John gives to Sleazebag about Deimos ties into to Bo's kidnapping, and he, Steve, possibly Eduardo or even Hope work together to avenge Bo's death. Tying Deimos to Winterthorne would definitely make things more interesting!! I think the easiest thing to start with is John finding out Deimos was involved with someone from winterthorne. It's the big thing John has going on now so it would make sense if they tied him in that way. Then eventually they could connect it to Bo's capture. Maybe Philip tells John how Deimos is trying to destroy Victor's family and it takes off from there.
I hope they free Steve from his bubble so he can join.
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Yep. RE Andre: I think the problem with his return is, as someone mentioned a few days ago, the show doesn't have the budget to carry out some big, crazy DiMera plot. So, his revenge comes across as very pedestrian. I mean, setting a kid's backpack on fire? Really? That's what passes for DiMera revenge now days? That's why I think the days of big, OTT villains should be over. I mean, Ben and Clyde scared the crap out of me, and they were written as backwards, lower-class people from the Ozarks. Sometimes "grounding" the bad guys with more relatable backgrounds makes them more effective, IMO.
Ben was a FANTASTIC villain because he actually believed in what he was doing it for. He was so unhinged he'd literally made himself believe that Chad made him strangle three people to death. It also helped that he had a cute face and a cute smile that made him charming, to cover up the psychotic. Ben was able to switch between charm and crazy so easily that it became terrifying. The problem with the DiMeras - and it has been for a while - is that no one really knows why they hate the Bradys/Hortons? They did the Santo/Colleen thing years ago, but I think pretty much everyone pretends that didn't happen. But other than that? What are they "enemies" about? EJ was good because at least he had a purpose with his villainy - Sami. Stefano was the same decades ago with Marlena, but Stefano hasn't been frightening in a long time. Andre is coming off as just creepy and incredibly whiny, especially with Chad. It just seems like he's having a hissyfit because his brother won't pay attention to him. They need to go back to a DiMera-Kiriakis feud, with Chad and Alex (the real one, as in Sonny's brother) at the forefront, since nuPhillip doesn't seem all the villainous to me. tl;dr If they wanted the DiMera's fighting the Kiriakas, they could have had Deimos and Andre working together with Deimos running the kidnapping and Andre and Stefano handling the Aiden Hope part
The problem is Andre being connected to Deimos will only drag Deimos down.
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I have AT&T Uverse and I just watched the 2/10 episode on my DVR. Most of the time there isn't a preview listed and I don't see one for rest of this week. There was a preview listed for today. However, the preview listed for the episode is for something I'm guessing doesn't happen until the week of 2/22. Here is the preview.
Brady tries to get Summer to go back to Salem with him to find answers Nicole reconnects with Dario Ava accuses Kayla of attempting to murder her Joey becomes friends with an intriguing person
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I have AT&T Uverse and I just watched the 2/10 episode on my DVR. Most of the time there isn't a preview listed and I don't see one for rest of this week. There was a preview listed for today. However, the preview listed for the episode is for something I'm guessing doesn't happen until the week of 2/22. Here is the preview.
Brady tries to get Summer to go back to Salem with him to find answers Nicole reconnects with Dario Ava accuses Kayla of attempting to murder her Joey becomes friends with an intriguing person Wow! That's cool
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- Feb 10 2016, 08:47 PM
I have AT&T Uverse and I just watched the 2/10 episode on my DVR. Most of the time there isn't a preview listed and I don't see one for rest of this week. There was a preview listed for today. However, the preview listed for the episode is for something I'm guessing doesn't happen until the week of 2/22. Here is the preview.
Brady tries to get Summer to go back to Salem with him to find answers Nicole reconnects with Dario Ava accuses Kayla of attempting to murder her Joey becomes friends with an intriguing person Nicole knows Dario? Why don't I remember that?
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