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Spoilers for the Week of February 15; Updated 2/8
Topic Started: Feb 5 2016, 09:48 PM (37,688 Views)
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elizhope
Feb 12 2016, 12:34 PM
I cant see them cutting the rape. They likely shot soo much aftermath from it, how can they cut all that too? I dont think we will see a long graphic scene of it onscreen or anything, but I think it will still happen to Ciara (if this spoiler is legit)

I wouldn't put it past these writers. Their fight/strangling/murder scenes were pretty graphic. I hope I'm wrong.
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AngelaP
Feb 12 2016, 11:48 AM
Then the Andre/Chase article last week with the "Sick Revenge"/"Even shocks Andre" etc. I just hoped if I didn't type it out-loud...
I just checked. Voldemort quotes Thaao as saying:
"Some of the things that Chase will do leaves even Andre in shock"
Edited by nananana7, Feb 12 2016, 12:44 PM.
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Lovejm
Feb 12 2016, 09:07 AM
The issue for me with the Ciara rape so soon after the Steve Ava stuff is that it's going to show the glaringly different ways the show treats it. They're already using the word betrayal with the Steve situation. And now you'll have a teenage rape situation as a constrast and I'm sure it'll be a big one.
The Steve/Ava thing should be treated differently because it is not "clear cut rape"....and IMO it is no where near the level of rape that happened to Eric with Kristen. Kristen DRUGGED Eric with something that would make him aroused and not remember anything...the same situation did not happen with Steve and Ava.

I will not call what happened between Steve & Ava as rape...it was wrong, but it was not rape...he could have done so many different things before he resulted to sleeping with her to save Kayla. Plus how did he "get it up" for her? How can I guy get it up for any women he so vehemently does NOT want to be around....of course unless his state has been altered in some way (ala when Kristen raped Eric and when Sami raped Austin).
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thepadange
Feb 12 2016, 12:40 PM
elizhope
Feb 12 2016, 12:34 PM
I cant see them cutting the rape. They likely shot soo much aftermath from it, how can they cut all that too? I dont think we will see a long graphic scene of it onscreen or anything, but I think it will still happen to Ciara (if this spoiler is legit)

I wouldn't put it past these writers. Their fight/strangling/murder scenes were pretty graphic. I hope I'm wrong.
The fight scene is on a whole different level...no way they show a full rape of a TEEN on daytime television.
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elizhope
Feb 12 2016, 12:34 PM
I cant see them cutting the rape. They likely shot soo much aftermath from it, how can they cut all that too? I dont think we will see a long graphic scene of it onscreen or anything, but I think it will still happen to Ciara (if this spoiler is legit)
I can say with confidence that nothing is getting cut. This is Griffith's story. They've been cutting Higley's shit for the most part.
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM
thepadange
Feb 12 2016, 12:40 PM
elizhope
Feb 12 2016, 12:34 PM
I cant see them cutting the rape. They likely shot soo much aftermath from it, how can they cut all that too? I dont think we will see a long graphic scene of it onscreen or anything, but I think it will still happen to Ciara (if this spoiler is legit)

I wouldn't put it past these writers. Their fight/strangling/murder scenes were pretty graphic. I hope I'm wrong.
The fight scene is on a whole different level...no way they show a full rape of a TEEN on daytime television.
I didn't mean "full".
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thepadange
Feb 12 2016, 12:43 PM
Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM
thepadange
Feb 12 2016, 12:40 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepdont think we will see a long graphic scene of it onscreen
The fight scene is on a whole different level...no way they show a full rape of a TEEN on daytime television.
I didn't mean "full".
They probably will show him starting to be a bit violent with her, push her down and cut to commercial...is that what you meant?
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM
Lovejm
Feb 12 2016, 09:07 AM
The issue for me with the Ciara rape so soon after the Steve Ava stuff is that it's going to show the glaringly different ways the show treats it. They're already using the word betrayal with the Steve situation. And now you'll have a teenage rape situation as a constrast and I'm sure it'll be a big one.
The Steve/Ava thing should be treated differently because it is not "clear cut rape"....and IMO it is no where near the level of rape that happened to Eric with Kristen. Kristen DRUGGED Eric with something that would make him aroused and not remember anything...the same situation did not happen with Steve and Ava.

I will not call what happened between Steve & Ava as rape...it was wrong, but it was not rape...he could have done so many different things before he resulted to sleeping with her to save Kayla. Plus how did he "get it up" for her? How can I guy get it up for any women he so vehemently does NOT want to be around....of course unless his state has been altered in some way (ala when Kristen raped Eric and when Sami raped Austin).
Sex by blackmail is legally rape. People get convicted for rape when it happens in real life. I will say it's different though. Steve had a choice, but he really didn't. He loves Kayla more than his own life and she was going to die. I'm fine with the show treating it "differently" than what happens with Ciara because it is different. Still rape.
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:37 PM
THIS!

Hope is being a bad parent in all of these cases...she is missing red flag after red flag....Chase should have been out of her house the moment she learned of the Theo thing...especially after learning that Chas has FEELINGS for Ciara...that alone is enough to warrant him being out of the same house...these two are TEENS...not adults...I would never allow a boy who has romantic feelings for my daughter to LIVE in the same house as her...especially after he hatefully bullied an austistic teen. Not to mention his SHIT behaviour towards Hope...the way he has spoken to her is outrageous.
Most of us would have thought Hope was a jerk if she threw Chase out of the house for bullying when Ciara was a bully; for Chase speaking to her out of line when a lot of teens do that to their parents; for having a seemingly minor crush on his step-sibling.

Ciara was cool with Chase until the Theo bullying. They had gotten the kiss attempt out of the way.

I personally felt that Hope should have gotten rid of him after his father strangled her because his father strangled her, and because she knows Chase killed his mother (by accident) and because he has an aunt. Also, from a viewer perspective just because he seemed really creepy.

The thing Hope didn't do here that she should have done was get them all in therapy.



Edited by AngelaP, Feb 12 2016, 12:51 PM.
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They're totally not going to show a rape. It'll be ominous scene, commercial break, traumatized Ciara.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 12 2016, 12:53 PM.
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Feb 12 2016, 12:46 PM
Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM
Lovejm
Feb 12 2016, 09:07 AM
The issue for me with the Ciara rape so soon after the Steve Ava stuff is that it's going to show the glaringly different ways the show treats it. They're already using the word betrayal with the Steve situation. And now you'll have a teenage rape situation as a constrast and I'm sure it'll be a big one.
The Steve/Ava thing should be treated differently because it is not "clear cut rape"....and IMO it is no where near the level of rape that happened to Eric with Kristen. Kristen DRUGGED Eric with something that would make him aroused and not remember anything...the same situation did not happen with Steve and Ava.

I will not call what happened between Steve & Ava as rape...it was wrong, but it was not rape...he could have done so many different things before he resulted to sleeping with her to save Kayla. Plus how did he "get it up" for her? How can I guy get it up for any women he so vehemently does NOT want to be around....of course unless his state has been altered in some way (ala when Kristen raped Eric and when Sami raped Austin).
Sex by blackmail is legally rape. People get convicted for rape when it happens in real life. I will say it's different though. Steve had a choice, but he really didn't. He loves Kayla more than his own life and she was going to die. I'm fine with the show treating it "differently" than what happens with Ciara because it is different. Still rape.
Obviously this is a delicate subject and I am going to just respectfully disagree with you about what happened with Steve/Ava...as a guy I just don't know how you could physically get it up in a situation like this WITHOUT the use of a drug of some sort....had they thrown that bit in (like they did with Eric and Austin rapes), it would have felt more like a total violation and would have sold the story and redemption a lot easier...I think the show left that part out on purpose to make this a REAL obstacle for Stayla (which I fucking hate)...this whole thing is pure garbage and I hope they just play this out quick so we can move on.
Edited by Mitchapalooza, Feb 12 2016, 12:57 PM.
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lysie
Feb 12 2016, 12:38 PM
My only "issue" with it is their ages. But it could be a compelling story.
I agree. It couldbe a compelling story. So could have Paige's death, Will's death, Bo's death, etc. But it won't be.

If these traumatic events weren't piled one on top of another and if they had had any real emotional repercussions that lasted longer than a week, they would be compelling. (And Hope's revenge stuff doesn't count because it is SOOOO lame and not in any way a decent emotional payoff for losing Bo.) As it is, they fall flat and leave people annoyed.

When these kinds of grave stories are the exception and not the norm, they may be done well. As it is, they are far too common, treated far too lightly, and almost desensitize the audience to the gravity of it all.
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Reading all the tweets/messages about this story for the next few weeks/months will be worse than watching it play out on screen. It's just messed up and I can't imagine anything positive coming out of it. I think I will completely ignore it and try to enjoy other things on the show... if there's something left I can enjoy.
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM
Lovejm
Feb 12 2016, 09:07 AM
The issue for me with the Ciara rape so soon after the Steve Ava stuff is that it's going to show the glaringly different ways the show treats it. They're already using the word betrayal with the Steve situation. And now you'll have a teenage rape situation as a constrast and I'm sure it'll be a big one.
The Steve/Ava thing should be treated differently because it is not "clear cut rape"....and IMO it is no where near the level of rape that happened to Eric with Kristen. Kristen DRUGGED Eric with something that would make him aroused and not remember anything...the same situation did not happen with Steve and Ava.

I will not call what happened between Steve & Ava as rape...it was wrong, but it was not rape...he could have done so many different things before he resulted to sleeping with her to save Kayla. Plus how did he "get it up" for her? How can I guy get it up for any women he so vehemently does NOT want to be around....of course unless his state has been altered in some way (ala when Kristen raped Eric and when Sami raped Austin).
Um. That's not how biology works. It's an argument used against women, too (with female biological issues obviously).
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DiMera87
Feb 12 2016, 12:46 PM
Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM
Lovejm
Feb 12 2016, 09:07 AM
The issue for me with the Ciara rape so soon after the Steve Ava stuff is that it's going to show the glaringly different ways the show treats it. They're already using the word betrayal with the Steve situation. And now you'll have a teenage rape situation as a constrast and I'm sure it'll be a big one.
The Steve/Ava thing should be treated differently because it is not "clear cut rape"....and IMO it is no where near the level of rape that happened to Eric with Kristen. Kristen DRUGGED Eric with something that would make him aroused and not remember anything...the same situation did not happen with Steve and Ava.

I will not call what happened between Steve & Ava as rape...it was wrong, but it was not rape...he could have done so many different things before he resulted to sleeping with her to save Kayla. Plus how did he "get it up" for her? How can I guy get it up for any women he so vehemently does NOT want to be around....of course unless his state has been altered in some way (ala when Kristen raped Eric and when Sami raped Austin).
Sex by blackmail is legally rape. People get convicted for rape when it happens in real life. I will say it's different though. Steve had a choice, but he really didn't. He loves Kayla more than his own life and she was going to die. I'm fine with the show treating it "differently" than what happens with Ciara because it is different. Still rape.
This... I would be fine if they used the two events to show that rape can look like many different things, and not all victims react in the same way. But I don't think that's how it's going to play out.
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Thank you JCP.

The Brady / Theresa stuff reminds me too much of Passions and Ethan and Theresa.

nvr mnd wrong thread
Edited by bygnedys, Feb 12 2016, 01:19 PM.
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:55 PM
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Feb 12 2016, 12:46 PM
Mitchapalooza
Feb 12 2016, 12:41 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Sex by blackmail is legally rape. People get convicted for rape when it happens in real life. I will say it's different though. Steve had a choice, but he really didn't. He loves Kayla more than his own life and she was going to die. I'm fine with the show treating it "differently" than what happens with Ciara because it is different. Still rape.
Obviously this is a delicate subject and I am going to just respectfully disagree with you about what happened with Steve/Ava...as a guy I just don't know how you could physically get it up in a situation like this WITHOUT the use of a drug of some sort....had they thrown that bit in (like they did with Eric and Austin rapes), it would have felt more like a total violation and would have sold the story and redemption a lot easier...I think the show left that part out on purpose to make this a REAL obstacle for Stayla (which I fucking hate)...this whole thing is pure garbage and I hope they just play this out quick so we can move on.
That's like saying it isn't rape if a woman has an orgasm. It just doesn't work that way. Your body has a physical reaction to certain physical stimuli. Biology will out. Plus in this particular instance, Steve is particularly invested in getting it up, because if he doesn't? His wife dies. He has to get it up.
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Yeah, this Steve/Ava conversation is very similar to the conversations held back in early 2007 regarding EJ and Sami. Some people viewed what happened as rape. Some didn't.
Edited by DrewHamilton, Feb 12 2016, 01:45 PM.
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Someone posted on another thread that Deidre had posted that she would be doing doctor scenes with Ciara. Was that via twitter/facebook? or was it in an interview? Does anyone have a link, or know the approximate timeframe?
Edited by nananana7, Feb 12 2016, 02:07 PM.
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nananana7
Feb 12 2016, 02:06 PM
Someone posted on another thread that Deidre had posted that she would be doing doctor scenes with Ciara. Was that via twitter/facebook? or was it in an interview? Does anyone have a link, or know the approximate timeframe?
https://www.facebook.com/DeidreHallFanPage/photos/pb.200775673286852.-2207520000.1455304268./1060827627281648/?type=3&theater

She posted on December 19th, so we probably won't see them until June. :-/
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