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Monday, February 8th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 7 2016, 08:39 AM (14,717 Views)
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cord08
Feb 8 2016, 04:11 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 03:35 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 02:57 PM

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I pretty much agree, although I think there were a few hints from the start of what the writers were committed to in this story... Steve and Kayla needed to be together for the story, Ava was going to sleep with someone, and Joey was going to play a major role (one that I don't think has played out yet, although I've been wrong about a lot). The exact how/what/why to accomplish that has felt more haphazard.
True. And for all we know, that's largely the extent of the notes Dena gave the breakdown and script people: Put S&K back together, have Ava sleep with someone, and shove Joey in there somehow.

Lysie has said a few times that is kind of Dena's style, and it would explain why some things have felt so nonsensical and slapped together.
Yep.

I remember a few years back reading someone (not sure if it was a writer or some sort of other interview or something) where it was mentioned while Dena is horrible to work with. She really frustrates her writing team because they have to do far more work than usual, especially the co-HW. And, she likes control. She wants to be able to just toss out ideas and have the writing team fill in the blanks but she will still want it as she wants it. Meaning, she comes up with the idea and the other writers execute it as she sees fits. They do the heavy lifting and she just gives the orders but in a very lazy and unprofessional way. That is why the writing team becomes burnt out under her leadership because they have to do even more work than usual.

I have wondered for awhile if they were going to have Joey kill Ava and have Kayla take the rap or something along those lines. Dena had Joey becoming quite obsessive over her and then it seemingly moved away from that once he learned the truth and a part of me wonders if Griffith played a role there in stopping that. With Dena, I was thinking that either Joey would kill Ava in a rage and Kayla takes the blame or Joey kills her and runs off and Kayla gets accused anyway given her history with her and Joey goes on the run out of fear and maybe whoever was meant to be the adult version of Steve and Ava's kid (assuming the kid was alive like I believe was going to be the case) got a hold of Joey and kept him away so Kayla would go down for Ava's murder. Something like that seems very Dena-esque. Thankfully, we likely won't get any of this aside from maybe Ava getting killed off and it will likely be a very quick ending to the story in general.
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Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 03:53 PM
I haven't watched yet, but reading from the recaps I'm so ticked off that Chabby were barely on. This was the one day this week they were suppose to be on besides the dream episode on Friday. Just frustrating.
Yea, they were barely on. More of them and less of the other stuff might have helped save the dreck that was this ep.
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Feb 8 2016, 04:06 PM
Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 03:53 PM
I haven't watched yet, but reading from the recaps I'm so ticked off that Chabby were barely on. This was the one day this week they were suppose to be on besides the dream episode on Friday. Just frustrating.
I get the frustration, but with the shit that's airing now, I think they're dodging a bullet by getting little airtime at this point.
I know, it's just the one day they are on, I wish they were in more than 4 segments.
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crookedhalo
Feb 8 2016, 03:38 PM
I think you might be able to repair Hope, IMO, after today's show...there is no way, to repair Rafe.
Hope can be repaired - have her suffer a complete mental breakdown & put her on the backburner/in the asylum for a couple of months then bring her back slowly as Ciara needs her mom for some situation. But show her going through the straight-jacket phase, consulting with Marlena about her condition (losing Bo & being betrayed by Aiden, etc) rather than just schlepping her back on canvas & saying "Oh yeah, she's fine now!! Thanks!!".

Rafe? Meh. I'm about sick of the Hernandez' already & they aren't even all in Salem. They could & should have left it at Rafe, Gabi & Eduardo. Bring JV on as someone besides Dario for Paul (if that's the intent) and make him bi-sexual. Leave Momma Hernandez in West Salem or wherever - there's no need for her on canvas, IMO. If they want to phase them all back out again - Rafe included for a 6 month stint in prison for helping to cover a murder (and take his badge for realsies this time), I'd be fine with it. Although if he only gets 6 months, Eric should get NO more than that. If they want to swap Rafe for Eric, I'd be all about it.


ETA: And I'm fine with diversity on the canvas - it's needed, but they have Lani & could very easily have brought on another unrelated police cadet who went to school with her & is of just about any age group/ethnicity they wanted, it wouldn't have to be someone related to Rafe.
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Hope is beyond repair for me..her actions after the brutal murder (I say brutal because he was an old wheelchair bound man) were disgusting. She actually enjoyed the knowledge that she killed him. This cover up with her obsessed lap dog sealed the deal with me. Both characters can die.
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I like Chabby but don't mind that they're getting a rest. They had huge story in the fall and it sounds like they will be getting huge story again soon.

Pretty much every character with the exception of Hope and Rafe have had their share of down time at some point over the last 6 months. At least they haven't disappeared for weeks like some characters/couples have.
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I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
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Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
Considering the rest of the show and current cast distribution...it's really hard to have sympathy, lol.
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Feb 8 2016, 05:16 PM
Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
Considering the rest of the show and current cast distribution...it's really hard to have sympathy, lol.
I get it, lol. I'm just annoyed.
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Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:18 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 05:16 PM
Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
Considering the rest of the show and current cast distribution...it's really hard to have sympathy, lol.
I get it, lol. I'm just annoyed.
I'm annoyed too and I have a headache now.

I wanted Chabby together but I didn't expect it to be like this. Who is writing this crap? Dena or josh?
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My thoughts of today's show I should say wow, what an exciting show was today and most of all we didn't hear Dr Tan's name which is a bonus.I loved every minute of it,especially with Kayla/Joey, Steve, Abe, Andre and Chabby scenes. Lani was boring as usual just like Hope, Rafe and Ciara/Chase and Dr Tanfynn .
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I really HATE that they made Rapa's baby have died. They are trying to make Rapa more sympathetic by killing off this child when the child shouldn't have ever existed at ALL. She raped Steve! NOTHING is ever gonna make me sympathize with Rapa after that.
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Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
Welcome to the Ericole fans club. LOL

But I do know how you feel. :hug: Hopefully they will show them more the next time they're on.
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Feb 8 2016, 05:22 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 05:18 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 05:16 PM

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I get it, lol. I'm just annoyed.
I'm annoyed too and I have a headache now.

I wanted Chabby together but I didn't expect it to be like this. Who is writing this crap? Dena or josh?
I mean I don't totally hate it. Their scenes are still great. I was expecting more for the engagement stuff, but I guess my expectations were too high. They got some of the better story in the fall, so I probably shouldn't complain. The spoiler today really misled me to believe they'd be featured today. I'm done giving them any credance. I thought the set-up for today from Friday was pretty good and to read how little they followed up on that stuff was very disappointing. Lysie is right though. I don't have much room to complain given what has been dealt to the other characters and stories. And I have no idea who is writing this material though everything seems to reek of Dena right now.
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Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
I feel like Hope and Rafe and Andre by extension are hogging the airtime now. S&K have a story (a really bad one) but I don't think they've been in the same room for a month and those scenes weren't even a full episode. Didn't she come home and fall asleep and he saw Ava? And then she got knocked on the head. J&M had plenty of time together in January but they're seemingly locked away for February, hopefully that'll even out in March. Overall though unless you're Hope or Ciara, you're not getting any kind of extended airtime.
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Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
I agree it sucks when characters are on but only get a handful of short segments, and then you have Hope/Rafe in every freaking segment in longass scenes.

This regime doesn't do romance or love scenes well, where Tomsell did but also gave too much focus to crappy couples. I am grateful that I don't have to watch gross couples in love scenes, but yeah it's disappointing if it's a couple that I love. Chabby should have gotten a full reunion lovemaking montage, but I don't think any couple is going to get that with Josh in charge.
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Run Theo. I don't know but Ciara and Chase annoy me.

Abe just you wait until you find out what Hope and Rafe have done.

Abby, you should know better how weddings don't go off in Salem. Run for the hills with Chad and Thomas.

This Hope and Rafe storyline is wearing on me.

Please someone kill Ava and get her off my screen. I hope she is leaving soon. I don't want to have to endure months of this back and forth with will Kayla find out about Steve sleeping with Ava. I just wonder what new stunt the witch is going to pull?
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KLK
Feb 8 2016, 05:31 PM
Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't mind Chabby taking a backseat. When they are on, I don't want 3-4 short scenes. Even in November when the Chad/Abby/Ben story was heating up, the segments were scattered and short. They just got engaged and the scene was like 30 seconds of them kissing (when Chad gave her the ring) and in the other scene when he proposed without the ring, they got interrupted by Andre. It's not enough. The romance on this show sucks and that goes for all of the characters. It's just incredibly frustrating after having to watch Babby for 1 1/2 years and there was no shortage of sex scenes.
I agree it sucks when characters are on but only get a handful of short segments, and then you have Hope/Rafe in every freaking segment in longass scenes.

This regime doesn't do romance or love scenes well, where Tomsell did but also gave too much focus to crappy couples. I am grateful that I don't have to watch gross couples in love scenes, but yeah it's disappointing if it's a couple that I love. Chabby should have gotten a full reunion lovemaking montage, but I don't think any couple is going to get that with Josh in charge.
Funny cause they said they were bringing the romance back lol!! What a joke!! Where's Sheri Anderson when you need her?
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Feb 8 2016, 05:22 PM
My thoughts of today's show I should say wow, what an exciting show was today and most of all we didn't hear Dr Tan's name which is a bonus.I loved every minute of it,especially with Kayla/Joey, Steve, Abe, Andre and Chabby scenes. Lani was boring as usual just like Hope, Rafe and Ciara/Chase and Dr Tanfynn .
I thought today was dreadful! I fell asleep twice and that's with ffwd all the Hope, Rafe and Ciara scenes. The second time I fell asleep while I was ffwd and ended up having to go back and try and figure out where I had stopped. Afterwards I was sorry that I even bothered.

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Restless84
Feb 8 2016, 05:30 PM
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Feb 8 2016, 05:18 PM

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I'm annoyed too and I have a headache now.

I wanted Chabby together but I didn't expect it to be like this. Who is writing this crap? Dena or josh?
I mean I don't totally hate it. Their scenes are still great. I was expecting more for the engagement stuff, but I guess my expectations were too high. They got some of the better story in the fall, so I probably shouldn't complain. The spoiler today really misled me to believe they'd be featured today. I'm done giving them any credance. I thought the set-up for today from Friday was pretty good and to read how little they followed up on that stuff was very disappointing. Lysie is right though. I don't have much room to complain given what has been dealt to the other characters and stories. And I have no idea who is writing this material though everything seems to reek of Dena right now.
I dont hate it either. Chabby been ❤️ But their scenes are way to damn short. I don't mind them being on one or two days a week but come on, we need to see more than 3 minute segment of them. I get it. They were front n center during Serial killer storyline but show us some love.
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