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Monday, February 8th Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Feb 7 2016, 08:39 AM (14,719 Views)
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missmeka1987_
Feb 8 2016, 02:19 PM
cord08
Feb 8 2016, 01:30 PM
missmeka1987_
Feb 8 2016, 01:20 PM
Omg it's still black Earlier They had the news reporter not knowing the camera was on her She was talking to other people and fixing her make up Also going over her news program papers for a whole hour NBC need to get it together :angry:
Can you do a channel scan on your TV? In other words, is there a feature on your TV where you can have all the channels re-set? Somewhere in the settings? I lost NBC for a few days this fall and ended up getting it back after performing a channel scan on my TV.

yes I can I'm about to try it..
Good luck!
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Rosebud
Feb 8 2016, 02:29 PM
So, Andre decides to put up camera surveillance in Bope's house, but I'm suppose to believe that Stefano didn't have a camera surveillance system in the DiMansion that should have filmed Hope entering the house and shooting Stefano? :rolleyes: ^o)
Yes, :hypnotize: :hypnotize: :hypnotize: and that Hope & Rafe - both seasoned veteran cops, didn't have the Bo/Hope house swept for bugs & cameras when Andre issued his threats.


I wish I could like Chase. He's the one teen without bio-ties to any of the others & they need that, but he's such a dud of a character so far. He'd be more interesting if he'd have told Hope off & moved out on his own...shown struggling with his demons, etc. Meh. Make him interesting or get him gone, Days.
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No1_ILoveLucyFan
Feb 8 2016, 12:26 PM
Rafe sucks.
Hope sucks.
DGAF about Ciara or Chase cause they suck.
Ava sucks.
It sucks that everyone in the Steve/Kayla/Joey/Ava storyline is lying and its a sucky storyline that sucks.
Andre sucks.
Chabby are doomed.

This is Higley's idea of sweeps?? :facepalm:
Even if these are solely Higley's stories, her ideas have to get through the network, the executive producers and everyone under them. This isn't going to get better just because Higley will be leaving. :'(
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PhoenixRising05
Feb 8 2016, 02:09 PM
I also felt a change in the Kayla/Steve/Ava stuff. I think the baby being dead is an obvious rewrite because this all got handled way too quick. TB was good today but I'm just glad it looks like Griffith jettisoned the long-term ramifications of this and is just going to burn through this, just like the Hope/Rafe stuff, and deal with the fallout. Nothing more that can be done, really. But it is obvious the Ava stuff along with the Rafe/Hope stuff got accelerated today and that definitely signifies further significant change.
Agree on the baby rewrite. I mean, the scenes today seemed so abrupt, and as granolagirl said, really OOC for Steve.

I do wonder what the original story was supposed to be, though. Were they supposed to actually find this child -- now an adult? If TB was always supposed to be short-term, that seems kind of weird.

All in all, this story has been one gigantic waste of time thus far.
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daysjahvu
Feb 8 2016, 01:52 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 8 2016, 12:09 PM
What is it with Abigail and fiancé's who keep wanting to elope?
Well for Chad he has to think back to their past. Abby broke up with him because she was hot for Austin; then she broke up with him over his lie to Cameron & told Chad she wouldn't have picked him, she would have chosen Cameron; she went on sleep with his engaged brother & then chose Ben over him just 6 months ago. Now add in his issues with Andre, wanting to live in the house & a missing father & he's a smart man to push to elope.
These are highlights but there were extenuating circumstances. I think Abby only chose Ben because she thought he was Thomas' father and she clearly wanted Chad to be the father even then, given her reaction to the original paternity results.

As far as Cameron, I think she was trying to hurt Chad even though she loved him because she was hurt that he had been underhanded.

The first time Chabby dated, I don't think either was especially serious or invested. He was attracted to Melanie and she was attracted to Austin.

As for EJ, I have nothing. She was lonely, but come on.

That said, Chad would be crazy not to want to elope given the current climate. Abby should look around and see that he's right. People can see how much they love each other once they are married.

Ben only wanted to elope to get her away from Chad.

Edited by Kiki, Feb 8 2016, 02:44 PM.
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I actually wondered if this "baby" has been a scheme cooked up all along by Ava and there never was a baby, only a ploy to sleep with Steve? That even today's stuff was all fabricated by her.
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Rosebud
Feb 8 2016, 02:35 PM
No1_ILoveLucyFan
Feb 8 2016, 12:26 PM
Rafe sucks.
Hope sucks.
DGAF about Ciara or Chase cause they suck.
Ava sucks.
It sucks that everyone in the Steve/Kayla/Joey/Ava storyline is lying and its a sucky storyline that sucks.
Andre sucks.
Chabby are doomed.

This is Higley's idea of sweeps?? :facepalm:
Even if these are solely Higley's stories, her ideas have to get through the network, the executive producers and everyone under them. This isn't going to get better just because Higley will be leaving. :'(
While true, there was quite a bit of good stuff this fall, IMO. So, I'm hopeful that with Dena gone the stories will improve.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

this sucks for sweeps!!!
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Feb 8 2016, 02:41 PM
I actually wondered if this "baby" has been a scheme cooked up all along by Ava and there never was a baby, only a ploy to sleep with Steve? That even today's stuff was all fabricated by her.
That's quite possible, actually. I wouldn't mind that because it would take away any hint of 'sympathy' for Ava.
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Feb 8 2016, 02:24 PM
Rafe's confrontation with Andre was dumb. I absolutely hate that Andre has the upper hand because for once he's right about his suspicions. They have to undo Hope's murder of Stefano ... I don't know how but it has to be done. I'm holding on a thin thread that someone Stefano orchestrated all of this and he'll make his big comeback and explain how he had to make it look like how Hope killed him because he feared that Andre was going to do him in ... and he wanted Andre to go after Hope hoping it would lead to his imprisonment ... I know it's a long shot but they can't leave it like this.

I just don't care about Chase and Ciara's drama ... I liked Theo but this drivel is dragging him down too. Sigh.

And I'm 100% convinced after watching today's episode that Chad and Abby's wedding isn't going to happen. Maybe Chad and a recast Abby will wed once TPTB determine whether the recast has chemistry with Billy Flynn or not. Too many anvils ... they might as well have had a neon sign flashing in the Horton living room - No wedding! No wedding! No wedding!

Poor Kayla, she knows there's more that went on than Joey's telling her but she can't get her son to spill.

I really hope this is the end of Ava's baby possibly with Steve as the father ... It's sad that a baby died but this was a dumb storyline from the get go. Unfortunately I'm also sure we haven't seen the last of Ava as yet. She's going to cause as much trouble as she can before she leaves town.

Um Hope, follow that thread you had ... if Andre got into the house and took the gun, what else did he do. Start looking for a camera or a listening device for heaven's sake! You're a cop, follow your instincts for once.
Okay, interesting theory you have there. So you're saying you think that Stefano faked his death by Hope to get Andre to go after Hope (Rafe was just an added bonus) in order to actually get Hope to KILL Andre? Wow! That's very good!

I can't see them getting rid of Hope or Rafe, so I'm wondering if CHASE winds up pulling the trigger or killing Andre somehow?
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cord08
Feb 8 2016, 02:40 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 8 2016, 02:09 PM
I also felt a change in the Kayla/Steve/Ava stuff. I think the baby being dead is an obvious rewrite because this all got handled way too quick. TB was good today but I'm just glad it looks like Griffith jettisoned the long-term ramifications of this and is just going to burn through this, just like the Hope/Rafe stuff, and deal with the fallout. Nothing more that can be done, really. But it is obvious the Ava stuff along with the Rafe/Hope stuff got accelerated today and that definitely signifies further significant change.
Agree on the baby rewrite. I mean, the scenes today seemed so abrupt, and as granolagirl said, really OOC for Steve.

I do wonder what the original story was supposed to be, though. Were they supposed to actually find this child -- now an adult? If TB was always supposed to be short-term, that seems kind of weird.

All in all, this story has been one gigantic waste of time thus far.
I think Steve's reaction may have been a tweak. I wouldn't have been surprised if Higley would have had him wiping away Ava's psychotic tears. But there have been a lot of dead baby anvils since the beginning, and the show never had the characters talk about the kid like the adult it would have been in the world today, if they found it... so I never really sensed a plan there.

TB being seemingly so short term is why I was kind of surprised that this ended up being a baby story at all.
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cord08
Feb 8 2016, 02:46 PM
PALMommy
Feb 8 2016, 02:41 PM
I actually wondered if this "baby" has been a scheme cooked up all along by Ava and there never was a baby, only a ploy to sleep with Steve? That even today's stuff was all fabricated by her.
That's quite possible, actually. I wouldn't mind that because it would take away any hint of 'sympathy' for Ava.
Exactly! I wondered if the "crying" today was actually because she felt a momentary set back in Steve leaving and not consoling her over their mutual loss?
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I'm so glad we didn't see Dead Baby Grief Sex. Too bad we had to see Save the Ex Wife Desperation Sex though.
Edited by PALMommy, Feb 8 2016, 02:49 PM.
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cord08
Feb 8 2016, 02:40 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 8 2016, 02:09 PM
I also felt a change in the Kayla/Steve/Ava stuff. I think the baby being dead is an obvious rewrite because this all got handled way too quick. TB was good today but I'm just glad it looks like Griffith jettisoned the long-term ramifications of this and is just going to burn through this, just like the Hope/Rafe stuff, and deal with the fallout. Nothing more that can be done, really. But it is obvious the Ava stuff along with the Rafe/Hope stuff got accelerated today and that definitely signifies further significant change.
Agree on the baby rewrite. I mean, the scenes today seemed so abrupt, and as granolagirl said, really OOC for Steve.

I do wonder what the original story was supposed to be, though. Were they supposed to actually find this child -- now an adult? If TB was always supposed to be short-term, that seems kind of weird.

All in all, this story has been one gigantic waste of time thus far.
My sense is that their adult child was going to be a short-term character too, maybe one that ended up dead whenever Ava left or shortly after. There is no way I buy this always being the plan.

There is also the issue of that snake symbol on Ava's back and that we saw when Kayla was imprisoned. I keep thinking that is/was supposed to mean more than it has. I don't know. TB admitted the story she played out was not what was pitched. I get the feeling the story pitched was something Higley and Griffith worked out and then Higley made her power play and went with a story she came up with and now Griffith is ending whatever the hell that was.
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Feb 8 2016, 02:47 PM
cord08
Feb 8 2016, 02:40 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 8 2016, 02:09 PM
I also felt a change in the Kayla/Steve/Ava stuff. I think the baby being dead is an obvious rewrite because this all got handled way too quick. TB was good today but I'm just glad it looks like Griffith jettisoned the long-term ramifications of this and is just going to burn through this, just like the Hope/Rafe stuff, and deal with the fallout. Nothing more that can be done, really. But it is obvious the Ava stuff along with the Rafe/Hope stuff got accelerated today and that definitely signifies further significant change.
Agree on the baby rewrite. I mean, the scenes today seemed so abrupt, and as granolagirl said, really OOC for Steve.

I do wonder what the original story was supposed to be, though. Were they supposed to actually find this child -- now an adult? If TB was always supposed to be short-term, that seems kind of weird.

All in all, this story has been one gigantic waste of time thus far.
I think Steve's reaction may have been a tweak. I wouldn't have been surprised if Higley would have had him wiping away Ava's psychotic tears. But there have been a lot of dead baby anvils since the beginning, and the show never had the characters talk about the kid like the adult it would have been in the world today, if they found it... so I never really sensed a plan there.

TB being seemingly so short term is why I was kind of surprised that this ended up being a baby story at all.
You're probably right about Steve's reaction. Damn, that would have been disgusting to see him consoling her. Big ups to the person who may have rewritten that.

I think the whole, "never sensed a plan" applies to the whole story. And that's why the overall writing of it has been so messy.
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Feb 8 2016, 02:51 PM
cord08
Feb 8 2016, 02:40 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 8 2016, 02:09 PM
I also felt a change in the Kayla/Steve/Ava stuff. I think the baby being dead is an obvious rewrite because this all got handled way too quick. TB was good today but I'm just glad it looks like Griffith jettisoned the long-term ramifications of this and is just going to burn through this, just like the Hope/Rafe stuff, and deal with the fallout. Nothing more that can be done, really. But it is obvious the Ava stuff along with the Rafe/Hope stuff got accelerated today and that definitely signifies further significant change.
Agree on the baby rewrite. I mean, the scenes today seemed so abrupt, and as granolagirl said, really OOC for Steve.

I do wonder what the original story was supposed to be, though. Were they supposed to actually find this child -- now an adult? If TB was always supposed to be short-term, that seems kind of weird.

All in all, this story has been one gigantic waste of time thus far.
My sense is that their adult child was going to be a short-term character too, maybe one that ended up dead whenever Ava left or shortly after. There is no way I buy this always being the plan.

There is also the issue of that snake symbol on Ava's back and that we saw when Kayla was imprisoned. I keep thinking that is/was supposed to mean more than it has. I don't know. TB admitted the story she played out was not what was pitched. I get the feeling the story pitched was something Higley and Griffith worked out and then Higley made her power play and went with a story she came up with and now Griffith is ending whatever the hell that was.
Yeah, the snake thing was weird. I mean, it could have been some kind of tacky symbolism to say, "Ava's a snake!" but I don't know. If it was supposed to tie into something bigger, I would think that TB would have had a longer contract. I mean, we don't know for sure that she was only there for three-four months, but I think the social media stuff has made it pretty obvious that she's been gone for a while.

I wish TB could give an exit interview to shed some light on all this, but I think the actors are really limited as to what they can say about writing changes, etc.
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Please don't mistake what I am about to write as a suggestion that this storyline is good or that I like anything about it ...

Today's Steve and Ava scenes were at least a bit of a balm for the dreck last week. I still don't have any great hope that the show will treat that for what it was (rape) but at least there signs that this wasn't "just sex" to Steve. First off, the way he shoved Ava away and told her never to touch him like that again when she tried to hug him was implicit support for the idea that he felt violated. Second, he was very clear that he hates her, she disgusts him, and that she "blackmailed" him. Nothing in that supports the idea that he was a willing participant, that he wanted to sleep with her, or that it was anything but forced.

And, while Steve's emotion-less reaction to the news that the baby died might be a little OOC, I for one will take it. People were bitching that he was just believing Ava's story that the kid was his, but this at least shows he wasn't making that assumption. And maybe that beat will play out later. Regardless, I'd rather that Steve have a cold and emotionless reaction than see him "grieving" with Ava.

Lastly, while both Joe and Steve are lying to Kayla, I appreciate that it's fairly obvious she knows that. She might have let Joe off the hook for the moment, most likely because she intends to get the answers from Steve. I don't think we are going to see Kayla just blithely buying whatever story Steve comes up with. She might not get the truth out of him in time to prevent a bigger explosion, but I don't think she's going to be completely blindsided either.

While this story still has a lot to play out and I'm guessing there are parts that won't be pretty, between today's show and the spoilers out there, I do feel like we aren't going to see Steve succumbing to additional blackmail threats. And that's a bit of a relief as well. I don't think any of this is as simple as Dena being gone and Josh being back in charge, but things did feel a bit different today.
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Feb 8 2016, 02:29 PM
I feel horribly for the baby. If Ava acted like a normal person I could actually feel sorry for her.
I don't feel sorry for her one biit and hope that is the last we see of her. What a horrible character! There was probably never a child anyway, just like there was no terminal illness.
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Thank you JCP.

It feels like the Ava crap is starting to wrap up. I haven't been able to make myself watch much lately, but today felt like a shift. Maybe because Steve didn't seem so stupid about letting Ava have her way about everything.

So Joey not telling his mom and his dad not being honest with her is going to fall into Ava's plans to make sure Kayla finds out in the most hurtful way. I hope that means there is no reason for that b. to stick around after that, unless she wants to be arrested for kidnapping and isn't that still a federal offence.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

My brain hurts from everything Highley!! seriously!!!

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Edited by PetrovaSalvatore, Feb 8 2016, 03:21 PM.
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