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Feb 9 2016, 10:36 PM
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They could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9 (or whatever the crazy number they do per week is). That way, they'd naturally lessen the gap each time they have a dark week.
Days' biggest issue in terms of tape-to-air is the fact that Days not airing during the Olympics instantly puts them 2 weeks farther ahead, unless they take extra time off.
This would increase their costs. I'm not sure they can afford it.
Why would it increase their costs? My guess is you have to pay your crew and maybe actors a lot less if they tape multiple episodes in one day rather than paying them a day's salary every time you tape an episode on a different date?
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Feb 9 2016, 10:51 PM
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The actors get paid for each episode they're in, no matter if the episodes are taped during the same day or not.
The savings come from all the dark weeks. The crew is paid for the days they work, not by each episode aired.
Also, by being so far ahead, sets are able to stay up longer and all the scenes needed per set can be taped at a higher rate of speed and because those sets are erected for longer periods, the crews are needed less for taking them down and putting them back up.
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Feb 9 2016, 10:53 PM
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The fact that this month they'll be taping for September, is ridiculous. They should be like Y&R and B&B who are 5-6 weeks on average.
September?? Did they get even further ahead? dang, 7 months is a long time They should be closing in on late August this week, thanks to the Olympics hiatus. Next week is probably a dark week for Presidents Day. So, if they work the week of 2/22, they should start on September sometime that week.
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Feb 9 2016, 10:56 PM
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They could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9 (or whatever the crazy number they do per week is). That way, they'd naturally lessen the gap each time they have a dark week.
Days' biggest issue in terms of tape-to-air is the fact that Days not airing during the Olympics instantly puts them 2 weeks farther ahead, unless they take extra time off.
This would increase their costs. I'm not sure they can afford it.
Why would it increase their costs? The only way that I can think is that it's like using vacation time vs. banking it for a pay out when you leave a job. It increases their per episode costs over the rest of the length of the show, but it probably shouldn't increase their production costs annually while they still have a backlog of episodes. It depends how they're accounting.
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Feb 9 2016, 10:58 PM
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Each episode can have a mixture of scenes that were taped several months apart, depending on which sets were available on what day, week or month.
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Jason47
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Feb 9 2016, 10:58 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
Why would it increase their costs?
My guess is you have to pay your crew and maybe actors a lot less if they tape multiple episodes in one day rather than paying them a day's salary every time you tape an episode on a different date? You get paid per episode, not for how many days it takes to tape an episode. Alexander Bruszt, for example, gets $1,000 per episode (info thanks to the contest rules), which is close to the SAG-AFTRA minimum for a principal role. Doesn't matter if he tapes scenes for the same episode over four days or all in the same day.
The crew, as mentioned above, however gets paid per day. So that's where the bulk of the money is saved with the quicker taping schedule.
Taping 7.5 episodes per week over the course of 36 weeks, as opposed to taping 5 episodes per week over the course of 48-49 weeks, saves a lot of money, since the crew gets paid per day, not per episode.
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jwsel
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Feb 9 2016, 11:04 PM
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They could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9 (or whatever the crazy number they do per week is). That way, they'd naturally lessen the gap each time they have a dark week.
Days' biggest issue in terms of tape-to-air is the fact that Days not airing during the Olympics instantly puts them 2 weeks farther ahead, unless they take extra time off.
This would increase their costs. I'm not sure they can afford it.
Why would it increase their costs? If they can shoot 8 or 9 episodes versus 5 in a regular 40-hour work week, they save significantly on labor costs.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:07 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
My guess is you have to pay your crew and maybe actors a lot less if they tape multiple episodes in one day rather than paying them a day's salary every time you tape an episode on a different date?
You get paid per episode, not for how many days it takes to tape an episode. Alexander Bruszt, for example, gets $1,000 per episode (info thanks to the contest rules), which is close to the SAG-AFTRA minimum for a principal role. Doesn't matter if he tapes scenes for the same episode over four days or all in the same day. The crew, as mentioned above, however gets paid per day. So that's where the bulk of the money is saved with the quicker taping schedule. Taping 7.5 episodes per week over the course of 36 weeks, as opposed to taping 5 episodes per week over the course of 48-49 weeks, saves a lot of money, since the crew gets paid per day, not per episode. Jason, don't the crew get paid under guild agreements? If they are, I would have assumed they get paid by the hour, not by the day, though they get minimum calls, overtime, and golden hour provisions. Or is there something unusual for soaps where workers are employed for much longer and more continuous periods than most projects?
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Feb 9 2016, 11:14 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
My guess is you have to pay your crew and maybe actors a lot less if they tape multiple episodes in one day rather than paying them a day's salary every time you tape an episode on a different date?
You get paid per episode, not for how many days it takes to tape an episode. Alexander Bruszt, for example, gets $1,000 per episode (info thanks to the contest rules), which is close to the SAG-AFTRA minimum for a principal role. Doesn't matter if he tapes scenes for the same episode over four days or all in the same day. The crew, as mentioned above, however gets paid per day. So that's where the bulk of the money is saved with the quicker taping schedule. Taping 7.5 episodes per week over the course of 36 weeks, as opposed to taping 5 episodes per week over the course of 48-49 weeks, saves a lot of money, since the crew gets paid per day, not per episode. If the crew gets paid per day it would still cost the same as now. They should be able to shoot 5 episodes a week and still keep the dark weeks. Then when they have gotten closer to airdate, they can just speed up to 7.5 episodes again in order to keep the dark weeks.
Still the same amount of days working = Same budget for the crew.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:15 PM
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If NBC demands and receives the schedule they want, Corday and Sony get less profit unless NBC pays a higher licensing fee or Corday and Sony make drastic cuts elsewhere.
It would be fair for DAYS to cut back to 3 months ahead with a higher fee paid by NBC. If NBC wants a different schedule, then NBC should pay for it.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:21 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
You get paid per episode, not for how many days it takes to tape an episode. Alexander Bruszt, for example, gets $1,000 per episode (info thanks to the contest rules), which is close to the SAG-AFTRA minimum for a principal role. Doesn't matter if he tapes scenes for the same episode over four days or all in the same day. The crew, as mentioned above, however gets paid per day. So that's where the bulk of the money is saved with the quicker taping schedule. Taping 7.5 episodes per week over the course of 36 weeks, as opposed to taping 5 episodes per week over the course of 48-49 weeks, saves a lot of money, since the crew gets paid per day, not per episode.
If the crew gets paid per day it would still cost the same as now. They should be able to shoot 5 episodes a week and still keep the dark weeks. Then when they have gotten closer to airdate, they can just speed up to 7.5 episodes again in order to keep the dark weeks. Still the same amount of days working = Same budget for the crew. That fails basic math. Say you have 45 episodes to film. With a 5 per week, you have to pay for 9 weeks of work. If you are shooting 9 per week, you pay for 5 weeks. Since Corday and Sony are probably getting paid per episode, the faster they can shoot them, the lower the costs.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:24 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
You get paid per episode, not for how many days it takes to tape an episode. Alexander Bruszt, for example, gets $1,000 per episode (info thanks to the contest rules), which is close to the SAG-AFTRA minimum for a principal role. Doesn't matter if he tapes scenes for the same episode over four days or all in the same day. The crew, as mentioned above, however gets paid per day. So that's where the bulk of the money is saved with the quicker taping schedule. Taping 7.5 episodes per week over the course of 36 weeks, as opposed to taping 5 episodes per week over the course of 48-49 weeks, saves a lot of money, since the crew gets paid per day, not per episode.
If the crew gets paid per day it would still cost the same as now. They should be able to shoot 5 episodes a week and still keep the dark weeks. Then when they have gotten closer to airdate, they can just speed up to 7.5 episodes again in order to keep the dark weeks. Still the same amount of days working = Same budget for the crew. It wouldn't be the same budget because your proposal means DAYS would be paying 33.3 percent more to the crew for each day worked.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:24 PM
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Jason, don't the crew get paid under guild agreements? If they are, I would have assumed they get paid by the hour, not by the day, though they get minimum calls, overtime, and golden hour provisions. Or is there something unusual for soaps where workers are employed for much longer and more continuous periods than most projects? Hourly or daily, I was just trying to get the point across about the taping schedule. Paying the crew for 36 weeks is much cheaper than paying the crew for 48-49 weeks. I know in the changes that went into effect in 2009 that they stopped taping on Saturdays and had to finish each day by 6PM so as to avoid overtime for the crew.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:26 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
If the crew gets paid per day it would still cost the same as now. They should be able to shoot 5 episodes a week and still keep the dark weeks. Then when they have gotten closer to airdate, they can just speed up to 7.5 episodes again in order to keep the dark weeks. Still the same amount of days working = Same budget for the crew.
That fails basic math. Say you have 45 episodes to film. With a 5 per week, you have to pay for 9 weeks of work. If you are shooting 9 per week, you pay for 5 weeks. Since Corday and Sony are probably getting paid per episode, the faster they can shoot them, the lower the costs.
They already have 6 months of episodes completed just waiting to be aired. They don't have to pay for more weeks just because they slow down how fast they shoot an episode.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:29 PM
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Jason, don't the crew get paid under guild agreements? If they are, I would have assumed they get paid by the hour, not by the day, though they get minimum calls, overtime, and golden hour provisions. Or is there something unusual for soaps where workers are employed for much longer and more continuous periods than most projects?
Hourly or daily, I was just trying to get the point across about the taping schedule. Paying the crew for 36 weeks is much cheaper than paying the crew for 48-49 weeks. I know in the changes that went into effect in 2009 that they stopped taping on Saturdays and had to finish each day by 6PM so as to avoid overtime for the crew. No one said they should work 48-49 weeks.
Why can't they shoot 5 episodes a week during those 36 weeks?
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Feb 9 2016, 11:29 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
That fails basic math. Say you have 45 episodes to film. With a 5 per week, you have to pay for 9 weeks of work. If you are shooting 9 per week, you pay for 5 weeks. Since Corday and Sony are probably getting paid per episode, the faster they can shoot them, the lower the costs.
They already have 6 months of episodes completed just waiting to be aired. They don't have to pay for more weeks just because they slow down how fast they shoot an episode. Eventually, they'd end up paying more. It might not be obvious immediately but it would cost them more in the long run.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:31 PM
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- Feb 9 2016, 11:26 PM
They already have 6 months of episodes completed just waiting to be aired. They don't have to pay for more weeks just because they slow down how fast they shoot an episode. Eventually it's going to catch up though if they want them to get back to a normal production schedule. At that point, they'll have to find different ways to cut costs - more wage cuts, firings, etc.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:34 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
That fails basic math. Say you have 45 episodes to film. With a 5 per week, you have to pay for 9 weeks of work. If you are shooting 9 per week, you pay for 5 weeks. Since Corday and Sony are probably getting paid per episode, the faster they can shoot them, the lower the costs.
They already have 6 months of episodes completed just waiting to be aired. They don't have to pay for more weeks just because they slow down how fast they shoot an episode. Wrong.
The actors are paid per episode, but the crew are paid per day. One episode per day would mean they get less out of the crew because the present schedule allows for the crew to shoot more than one episode per day, but only receive pay for each day worked.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:34 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThey could always just simply slow down the rate at which they tape - switch to 5 episodes per week as opposed to 8 or 9
They already have 6 months of episodes completed just waiting to be aired. They don't have to pay for more weeks just because they slow down how fast they shoot an episode.
Eventually, they'd end up paying more. It might not be obvious immediately but it would cost them more in the long run. Yes, in the long run. But the point was that they would only slow down for a while, til they get closer to airdate, then they can go back to what they're doing know.
To me this seems alot less drastic then when people always say they should go dark for 3-4 months straight.
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Feb 9 2016, 11:38 PM
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Jason, don't the crew get paid under guild agreements? If they are, I would have assumed they get paid by the hour, not by the day, though they get minimum calls, overtime, and golden hour provisions. Or is there something unusual for soaps where workers are employed for much longer and more continuous periods than most projects?
Hourly or daily, I was just trying to get the point across about the taping schedule. Paying the crew for 36 weeks is much cheaper than paying the crew for 48-49 weeks. I know in the changes that went into effect in 2009 that they stopped taping on Saturdays and had to finish each day by 6PM so as to avoid overtime for the crew.
No one said they should work 48-49 weeks. Why can't they shoot 5 episodes a week during those 36 weeks? Even though the show runs from year to year, each contract is for a particular time period. So they shoot 270 episodes for $50,000 each this year, but next year, they may only get $40,000 for each episode. Controlling labor costs is critical, especially in Hollyoowd where a base-level union stagehand may earn $23 per hour. Completing this 270 episodes in 30 weeks instead of 54 weeks makes a huge difference.
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