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Topic Started: Feb 8 2016, 01:29 AM (76,595 Views)
4ever DAYS
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DAYS should double the dark weeks and continue their 7.5 episodes per week taped and they'll be down to 3 months "tape to air" in a year.
Edited by 4ever DAYS, Feb 10 2016, 12:56 AM.
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Sindacco
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Okey, there is no solution.

The crew is the winner, everyone else are losers.
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missmeka1987_
Feb 9 2016, 09:47 PM
Hey Peter If you miss the show that much come back :)
He also tweeted out a Bope mvid today too, how it made him cry. Maybe he's getting all nostalgic and bored in retirement. Wishful thinking? Lol
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Sindacco
Feb 10 2016, 12:05 AM
Okey, there is no solution.

The crew is the winner, everyone else are losers.
pretty much. lol. And they're winners even if there's no attempt to get the show to a much shorter tape-to-air gap.
Days is short 10 episodes this year because of the Olympics, which means that the actors are getting paid for fewer episodes in 2016 compared to 2015 (assuming they have the same guarantee in both years), but the crew is still working the same number of weeks (unless the show decides to take an extra dark week or two in order to compensate).
Edited by Supergirlx2, Feb 10 2016, 12:26 AM.
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Sindacco
Feb 10 2016, 12:05 AM
Okey, there is no solution.

The crew is the winner, everyone else are losers.
I don't think the crew is winning either.
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Supergirlx2
Feb 10 2016, 12:25 AM
Sindacco
Feb 10 2016, 12:05 AM
Okey, there is no solution.

The crew is the winner, everyone else are losers.
pretty much. lol. And they're winners even if there's no attempt to get the show to a much shorter tape-to-air gap.
Days is short 10 episodes this year because of the Olympics, which means that the actors are getting paid for fewer episodes in 2016 compared to 2015 (assuming they have the same guarantee in both years).
Preemptions would have no effect on the actor guarantees. They are guaranteed a set amount of episodes/pay in four 13-week cycles (or two 26-week cycles).
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Supergirlx2
Feb 10 2016, 12:25 AM
Sindacco
Feb 10 2016, 12:05 AM
Okey, there is no solution.

The crew is the winner, everyone else are losers.
pretty much. lol. And they're winners even if there's no attempt to get the show to a much shorter tape-to-air gap.
Days is short 10 episodes this year because of the Olympics, which means that the actors are getting paid for fewer episodes in 2016 compared to 2015 (assuming they have the same guarantee in both years), but the crew is still working the same number of weeks (unless the show decides to take an extra dark week or two in order to compensate).
I wonder how actors' contracts and guarantees work using this type of schedule. I'm not sure how to formulate the question but I'll try. As they tape more episodes per year than air, does that mean actors finish their contractual obligations earlier or are their guarantees set for the taping (not airing) period?
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thepadange
Feb 10 2016, 02:00 AM
Supergirlx2
Feb 10 2016, 12:25 AM
Sindacco
Feb 10 2016, 12:05 AM
Okey, there is no solution.

The crew is the winner, everyone else are losers.
pretty much. lol. And they're winners even if there's no attempt to get the show to a much shorter tape-to-air gap.
Days is short 10 episodes this year because of the Olympics, which means that the actors are getting paid for fewer episodes in 2016 compared to 2015 (assuming they have the same guarantee in both years), but the crew is still working the same number of weeks (unless the show decides to take an extra dark week or two in order to compensate).
I wonder how actors' contracts and guarantees work using this type of schedule. I'm not sure how to formulate the question but I'll try. As they tape more episodes per year than air, does that mean actors finish their contractual obligations earlier or are their guarantees set for the taping (not airing) period?
Good question!

Since 2009, the show's roughly gotten one month ahead, on average, each year. So, based on that, it would stand to reason that for every 12 months an actor works, the episodes are airing over a 13 month span.

Molly Burnett's a good example to look at, since she joined the show in June 2008, just before the changes in production started in Feb. 2009. She left after her 4 years was up in June 2012, but because the new taping schedule was in place, she kept airing until September 2012. So, based on that, she did exactly four years of taping, but aired for 4 years, 3 months.

If you break up her four years into these cycles, then it sort of worked out that way, with each year she worked accounting for about 13 months of airdates on the show.

So, a rough estimate shows she had perhaps a 2.5 guarantee the first year, then upped to 3.5 guarantee for her second and third year, and then cut down to around a 2 guarantee for her final year.

132 (7/08-7/09)
183 (8/09-8/10)
165 (9/10-9/11)
110 (10/11-9/12)

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Jason47
Feb 10 2016, 02:47 AM
Good question!

Since 2009, the show's roughly gotten one month ahead, on average, each year. So, based on that, it would stand to reason that for every 12 months an actor works, the episodes are airing over a 13 month span.

Molly Burnett's a good example to look at, since she joined the show in June 2008, just before the changes in production started in Feb. 2009. She left after her 4 years was up in June 2012, but because the new taping schedule was in place, she kept airing until September 2012. So, based on that, she did exactly four years of taping, but aired for 4 years, 3 months.
This is beginning to sound like the theory of relativity.
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Jason47
Feb 10 2016, 02:47 AM
thepadange
Feb 10 2016, 02:00 AM
Supergirlx2
Feb 10 2016, 12:25 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I wonder how actors' contracts and guarantees work using this type of schedule. I'm not sure how to formulate the question but I'll try. As they tape more episodes per year than air, does that mean actors finish their contractual obligations earlier or are their guarantees set for the taping (not airing) period?
Good question!

Since 2009, the show's roughly gotten one month ahead, on average, each year. So, based on that, it would stand to reason that for every 12 months an actor works, the episodes are airing over a 13 month span.

Molly Burnett's a good example to look at, since she joined the show in June 2008, just before the changes in production started in Feb. 2009. She left after her 4 years was up in June 2012, but because the new taping schedule was in place, she kept airing until September 2012. So, based on that, she did exactly four years of taping, but aired for 4 years, 3 months.

If you break up her four years into these cycles, then it sort of worked out that way, with each year she worked accounting for about 13 months of airdates on the show.

So, a rough estimate shows she had perhaps a 2.5 guarantee the first year, then upped to 3.5 guarantee for her second and third year, and then cut down to around a 2 guarantee for her final year.

132 (7/08-7/09)
183 (8/09-8/10)
165 (9/10-9/11)
110 (10/11-9/12)

Thank you.
It seems that Eileen Davidson's contract (2012) was for one year of taping (plus one additional week the show asked for) as well (airing 13+ months).

But..... we heard that Kate Mansi left in December but according to Billy Flynn her contract was up several months ago, and she agreed to stay on the show only to wrap her story up. It's a little bit confusing because she started in December.
Kristian Alfonso announced about her contract renewal 11/19/2015 even though seemingly her contract should be up in April 2016. :shrug:

On a unrelated note, it's interesting that MB's episode/week guarantee was so different all these years. I wonder if she had it in her contract or her contractual guarantee was 2 ep/week and she just was used more than her contract guaranteed her.
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granolagirl
Feb 10 2016, 02:51 AM
Jason47
Feb 10 2016, 02:47 AM
Good question!

Since 2009, the show's roughly gotten one month ahead, on average, each year. So, based on that, it would stand to reason that for every 12 months an actor works, the episodes are airing over a 13 month span.

Molly Burnett's a good example to look at, since she joined the show in June 2008, just before the changes in production started in Feb. 2009. She left after her 4 years was up in June 2012, but because the new taping schedule was in place, she kept airing until September 2012. So, based on that, she did exactly four years of taping, but aired for 4 years, 3 months.
This is beginning to sound like the theory of relativity.

^ what she said.
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I've read and re-read posts, but I'm still not following if this question was answered or not.
Maybe someone could answer this by itself...

Are the "episode guarantees" set for the taping period or the airing period?

If an actor is guaranteed an average of 3 episodes per week over a year ...
is that a year of taping or a year of airing?
Edited by nananana7, Feb 10 2016, 05:21 AM.
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Feb 9 2016, 05:34 PM
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Feb 9 2016, 05:24 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 9 2016, 05:15 PM
Honestly, I feel like even with a smaller gap between filming and airing, it would make little difference. Even under the old model, Corday took sometimes years to make changes. Yes, there was little adjustments here and there but we have seen little adjustments under the current model as well. GH has a normal model yet it took them nearly 4 months to implement changes, almost as much as it takes Days.

Really, I think you have to look at it like a primetime show. They sometimes have to wait entire half seasons or entire seasons to make adjustments and that is kind of where Days is. It does make it more difficult but in an age where profits are all that really matters they are better off going this way because they stand the best chance at being profitable.

It seems GH shortened their gap between taping and airing to less than 4 weeks (instead of 6 weeks). It might be temporarily though.

Profitable for whom? Sony/Corday? NBC's profit depends on the licensing fee and the ratings (because advertising rates depend on them). I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to shorten the gap to faster react to the potential rating decrease.
Everyone, in the end, benefits because the smaller the budget, the less the risk. It's like putting out a movie for $10 million vs a movie with a $100 million budget. If the $10 million dollar movie flops, less money is lost. If it is even a mild success, that ends up being a bigger deal than it would be. If a $100 million dollar movie flops, it's a huge deal and alot of money is lost That is the thing. Soaps were never meant to be as expensive as they became. The 80's brought on a period of overspending that only increased in the 90's and then, when ratings started to dwindle, things got tough. Soaps didn't know how to adjust. They were cutting vets left and right. It was a mess. We lost so many soaps because none of them knew how to adapt and bring themselves back to being more simplistic and also being more modern. The 4 remaining soaps have found ways that work for each of them individually to survive. They could all stand to take more risks and be more modern but from a budget and profit standpoint, they are finding ways to stay afloat at the very least.

Days just needs to be smart. Just tell good stories. You can't just go completely off fan feedback unless something is either really good or really bad. There is just too much division there. Write good stories that are contemporary and interesting. Pace them well and by today's standards. The ratings have always responded far more to things happening rather than who is featured and specific things like that so that proves that if you just write compelling, good stories, it will work out.

I think it is more actual in GH/Disney/ABC's case because Disney owns GH. In regard to both Sony soaps, networks don't oversee their budgets directly (they only influence them via licensing fee they're ready to pay).

Speaking of stories, I think everyone in the industry knows they have to write good compelling contemporary stories that viewers would enjoy. NBC, Sony, Corday Prod. and every head-writing team know that and try to do this. It's just not always easy to do this. Maybe they should invest more in research strategies?

Btw, general ratings for all soaps are pretty stable over the last several years. It's a good trend but their numbers in demos are constantly decreasing.
IMO the biggest problem is (not only for soaps but for every daytime or even primetime show) that not all viewers who watch the shows are counted - what I mean is that networks only care about specific viewership, like live+same day DVR (or live + 7 days DVR) (because their advertisers only care and want to pay for the audience who watches their commercials). Viewers don't care about advertising but, ironically, the question for the networks is what can be done for more people to watch commercials.
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nananana7
Feb 10 2016, 05:20 AM
I've read and re-read posts, but I'm still not following if this question was answered or not.
Maybe someone could answer this by itself...

Are the "episode guarantees" set for the taping period or the airing period?

If an actor is guaranteed an average of 3 episodes per week over a year ...
is that a year of taping or a year of airing?
I guess we have to have an actor or their manager to get an exact answer to it. Or someone from Days production office.

We are just trying to make educated guesses.
Edited by thepadange, Feb 10 2016, 10:48 AM.
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nananana7
Feb 10 2016, 05:20 AM
I've read and re-read posts, but I'm still not following if this question was answered or not.
Maybe someone could answer this by itself...

Are the "episode guarantees" set for the taping period or the airing period?

If an actor is guaranteed an average of 3 episodes per week over a year ...
is that a year of taping or a year of airing?
I think it's taping because when Peter Reckell or Eileen Davidson came back for 3 month stints, their episodes aired over more than 3 months.
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Feb 10 2016, 06:01 AM
nananana7
Feb 10 2016, 05:20 AM
I've read and re-read posts, but I'm still not following if this question was answered or not.
Maybe someone could answer this by itself...

Are the "episode guarantees" set for the taping period or the airing period?

If an actor is guaranteed an average of 3 episodes per week over a year ...
is that a year of taping or a year of airing?
I think it's taping because when Peter Reckell or Eileen Davidson came back for 3 month stints, their episodes aired over more than 3 months.
That's what Jason is saying as well.

Days is the only soap currently taping more episodes than airing so they are the only ones having to deal with it, so who knows what exactly is in their actors' contracts and if it had changed with the change of their taping schedule.


Edited by thepadange, Feb 10 2016, 06:21 AM.
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What was Peter Reckell's last airdate as the embodiment of Hope's subconscious revenge?

Edit to add:
I didn't watch, I just read the recaps.
When PR was airing as SubconsciousHope, did he speak, or was it just a floaty-ghost thing?
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Feb 10 2016, 06:19 AM
What was Peter Reckell's last airdate as the embodiment of Hope's subconscious revenge?

Edit to add:
I didn't watch, I just read the recaps.
When PR was airing as SubconsciousHope, did he speak, or was it just a floaty-ghost thing?
According to Jason47: 8/28/15-12/2/15


But technically we don't know if Peter had been taping for 3 months either.
Edited by thepadange, Feb 10 2016, 06:28 AM.
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Bo died Friday Nov 20th, with the death replayed on Mon Nov 23rd.

What were PR's scenes from Nov 24 - Dec 2nd?

Were they all "Hope's subconscious revenge"???

or were there any actual flashbacks from when Bo was alive?
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nananana7
Feb 10 2016, 06:19 AM
What was Peter Reckell's last airdate as the embodiment of Hope's subconscious revenge?

Edit to add:
I didn't watch, I just read the recaps.
When PR was airing as SubconsciousHope, did he speak, or was it just a floaty-ghost thing?
He had lines (not entirely sure if in all the episodes) .
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