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| Thursday, February 11th Episode Discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 10 2016, 07:04 PM (10,505 Views) | |
| Hamilton | Feb 11 2016, 09:38 PM Post #221 |
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I'm talking about what you posted. Hope definitely sounded like she wanted to get rid of Andre permanently. That came from her. Rafe certainly has seen the look of revenge in Hope's eyes before. He tried to stop her from going after Stefano and she disregarded his sensible advice and we saw the result. The fact Hope said, " Then give me options!" clarifies exactly where her head was at. You're putting the blame on Rafe for assuming what she was thinking because she didn't 'technically' say kill? Andre suspected Hope before he ever found the body just like Hope assumed it was Stefano who killed Bo. Their minds were made up without proof. It was Hope's decision to leave town and it was her decision to include Rafe. He wouldn't have gone if she didn't want him too. So it's Rafe's fault Andre broke in got the gun and planted the bug? Have you seen the job the so called guards are doing?! If Andre wanted in Hope's house, he'd get in Hope's house. I think it's a bit much to blame Rafe for that. Rafe is going to be in scenes with Hope. The show is obviously building their relationship which means they will be together discussing each move they make as the story progresses. I haven't seen Rafe being the driving force while Hope just tails along. I've seen Rafe try to keep Hope calm and help her feel at peace with her actions. Today she was off the rails back in revenge mode storming through the DiMera doors. I'm not buying that Rafe was talking down to Hope at all today. He treats her like somebody he cares about. |
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| wallflower | Feb 11 2016, 09:40 PM Post #222 |
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I was thinking "stalker" too but it`s just that some of Rafe`s tactics feel like those of an "abuserK too. However you slice it it is CREEPY! |
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| concerned | Feb 11 2016, 09:45 PM Post #223 |
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" i know this is bad... I can't deny that but we're going to find a way to get through it." I don't see how we're going to get through it. I haven't since it happened". " That's because you've been trying to do it by yourself". I really hope they go down the mirror path with Kayla and Steve handling this where Kayla recognises Steve's pain, and his sacrifice, not the adultery path and dishonesty path. I hope she remembers how long she had to hold that information in before she was willing to share it. Edited by concerned, Feb 11 2016, 09:45 PM.
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| Kriss4 | Feb 11 2016, 09:45 PM Post #224 |
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I think Ava's planning to kill herself and she's hoping Kayla will take the fall for it. The one way ticket to Salem...the way they made a point of having Ava say Salem was her FINAL destination. She's planning to make Kayla look guilty. If that doesn't pan out, she'll make Joey look guilty instead. Either way, she'd reason she'll win. She'd think: Why should Steve and Kayla get to keep their son when she lost hers? Edited by Kriss4, Feb 11 2016, 09:46 PM.
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| Hamilton | Feb 11 2016, 09:47 PM Post #225 |
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Exactly! |
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| wallflower | Feb 11 2016, 09:48 PM Post #226 |
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She sounded like Kayla with Steve. She wants to live in the here and now. |
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| concerned | Feb 11 2016, 09:49 PM Post #227 |
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or see Lucas at about 2:49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQFOkTunHAE |
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| Lovejm | Feb 11 2016, 09:51 PM Post #228 |
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Hope is on my last nerve but I will say she is the one continually calling Rafe for help. It's past normal now. Every two minutes she has to call Rafe. Text Rafe. Tell Rafe what's happening.
Edited by Lovejm, Feb 11 2016, 09:55 PM.
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| The Room Stops | Feb 11 2016, 09:52 PM Post #229 |
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Well, she has had practice. So, so, so, so, so (much too much) practice. ^o) :rolleyes: |
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| Lovejm | Feb 11 2016, 09:54 PM Post #230 |
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And Steve. I get he's upset and conflicted but Kayla is safe now and begging him for the truth. And with Joey knowing they kissed, does Steve really think it'll never come up again? What happened with Ava was awful but he should have come clean today. Now maybe we will get some story out of it but I'd have preferred to see them handle this together. |
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| concerned | Feb 11 2016, 09:59 PM Post #231 |
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Exactly - but I do think it would be very hard for a person like Steve to admit what happened to him, particularly to someone he loved and wanted to see himself in the protector role with. I really hope they handle this well - but I doubt they will. |
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| Lovejm | Feb 11 2016, 10:00 PM Post #232 |
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She's the one person he should be able to tell anything. I want to see that. |
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| lysie | Feb 11 2016, 10:02 PM Post #233 |
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Rafe also being horrible doesn't make Hope less horrible. At no point did I even imply he was making good decisions. I'm just disappointed this next thing was her idea. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 11 2016, 10:03 PM Post #234 |
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Rafe is not being malicious or anything BUT he is taking advantage of a situation to maneuver himself into a situation he wants to be in for some reason. Hope was initially isolating herself from everybody, yes. At that point Rafe was stopping by every hour to see her, getting restless at her not texting him back, etc. Hope then killed a man and because Rafe stalks her on the regular he was the first one on the scene after this. She wanted to confess but Rafe talked her out of it. The added layer here is that Hope had been off/has been off since November and he knows this (he knew it then, and if he thought she was all better today may have been a sign that maybe she is not). He created a situation (the cover-up, not the murder) and continued to promote a situation where she could only really turn to him and where he builds himself as her great champion a little more every day. Today she wanted to turn to her son, he talked her out of it. So what if Shawn D gets involved, maybe he'll talk some sense into Hope. I'm not saying Hope has no choice here when I'm saying Rafe is manipulating the situation. IMO, Hope is angry and she doesn't want to lose her family and she is choosing to make bad choices from that place. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 11 2016, 10:27 PM Post #235 |
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The thing is she was not interested in anything from him besides manipulating him outside of an office to take pictures of police files UNTIL he set forth a situation where they would be teammates, where she would have to move to depending on him and only him (the cover up). Everything you just mentioned is happening by Rafe's design. He could have convinced Hope to go with her first instinct and possibly to get help (LOGICALLY to me a friend would say "you need to get help, and if we go to the police now this man's son will have less power to harm you because of everybody knowing and keeping an eye out") but that would not have put him in the position he is in now in terms of her necessity for him. |
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| Supergirlx2 | Feb 11 2016, 10:48 PM Post #236 |
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Because Rafe "volunteered" himself to be part of Hope's doings. So he's technically the only person she can really talk to about Andre-related things without choosing to get more people mixed up in her mess. I didn't mind Hope calling Rafe today, cause it seemed more of a "Take a look around, Rafe. This is what Andre has done to ME and MY family. He's not playing games, so stop telling me that it will all be okay and it'll just pass." visit than a "Rafe, hold me! Reassure me that it'll be okay & that Andre won't win." visit. It was ridiculous when Hope called Rafe and the next thing she knew, he was on her doorstep. And it was ridiculous when she needed him to drop everything & get to her house cause Andre had been there and shared his theories with her. Dena's Hope is weak & helpless and needs Rafe to hold her hand. Josh's Hope is on a revenge/no-bullshit tear and is sharing info with Rafe because he's just as deep into this mess as she is. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 11 2016, 11:12 PM Post #237 |
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I will say that's one of the things I really enjoyed about today's episode within this story. Most of this stupid cover-up story so far has been hapless Hope with Rafe showing up to show he's a virile, strong male that can reassure the scared little women. Today, Hope was blood thirsty again, which is IDK where they're going with that, but she was also really on top of things and grabbing all these guys by their balls and swinging them around a little. Is this Dena's Hope? Is this Josh's Hope? IDK, it's closer to December Hope and I prefer her to January Hope. And while I did really enjoy the Andre vs. Hope dynamic today, I do need their lil story line here to end ASAP. |
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| Lovejm | Feb 11 2016, 11:18 PM Post #238 |
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I'm not invested in this story besides wanting it to end but I think Rafe may feel he's living up to the promise he made to Bo to take care of Hope. They set this up for Rafe to be her protector before Bo was even gone. And here we are. Whatever the reasons are, I'm not enjoying Hope. She's on way too much and eating the show alive now. |
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| PALMommy | Feb 11 2016, 11:46 PM Post #239 |
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Seeee? This is the crap I was talking about awhile back. Jennifer was in the hospital along with two others - both who are family through her marriage to Bo and we NEVER EVER see Hope go to the hospital to check on any of them (at least I don't remember seeing her there?!) and yet, her house catches on fire and there she is on her cousin's door step! Has Hope checked on how JJ's doing with since the whole Paige thing, or the Eve incident, or asked how Jennifer feels about the police academy, or even been to see the baby, or asked about how Abigail is coping with ALL that's happened to her? We know Jennifer's gone and checked on Hope - we've seen it, but Hope is just portrayed as this ridiculous damsel in distress that can only confide in Rafe. Puke! |
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| PALMommy | Feb 11 2016, 11:51 PM Post #240 |
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Have BB and KA shared one scene together since his return? |
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