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I'd totally be here for Chase being redeemed and his perspective being explored, for many reasons, but I have to say I don't think the people who don't care to see that story feel that way because of not wanting to see a complex story. I think it's more about their feelings towards rape. If in the 80s you'd asked the Days audience whether they'd want to see Jack redeemed I can imagine the reply would've been an overwhelming no given the strong attachment people had towards Steve and Kayla, both individually and as a couple. Obviously the writing and acting swayed the audience to become sympathetic towards Jack, however, there are some people who think his redemption was taken too far and infringed upon Kayla's pov. Regardless of how good the writing and acting is (and I agree Jack/Kayla's was one of the best) redeeming someone for rape is understandably a sticking point for many people because of the sensitive nature of the issue and it can feel like the victim's pov is being minimized in favour of the rapist's.
My issue isn't with whether or not people want to see Chase redeemed. I don't actually think Chase is interesting enough to be redeemed, and personally, I'd write him out after mining the drama of this story, unless the actor turned out to be very talented. What I mean is that there could potentially be parallels between this story and Jack's - namely that the show didn't sweep away the fact that Jack was a person with connections to the canvas. They looked at what those connections meant to him and to Kayla, and to Steve and to Jo. They did that partially to build up to Jack's redemption, but that doesn't have to be the end result, and it lead to good scenes for all the people in the story. Chase is a boy that Hope brought into her home and vowed to take care of. Someone Ciara has said she thought of as a brother. I wish they wouldn't write a story about rape at all, but if they are, I think it would be a shame to throw all that history out the window and avoid a character driven story in favor of pretending Chase is some random rapist who broke into the house one day and attacked Ciara. I also imagine that, in the 80s, if you'd asked the audience if they wanted the writers to go scorched-earth with Jack and ignore all the history surrounding him and S&K, people would have said yes, but the audience can speak from experience now. If you didn't like that story, then fair enough, but if you did think it was well done, then there's potentially another opportunity for that on the horizon. I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with.
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I know. I'm not a fan of the idea that Chase is some sort of victim in all of this.
I think it will depend on how things play out. If Andre brainwashes Chase into doing something terrible, then I would definitely see Chase as a victim. I guess we'll see. I don't think Andre brainwashes Chase in the same way he brainwashed Chad, but we do know that Andre & Chase interact before Chase & Ciara. But Andre could plant a seed in Chase's head that influences his actions when he sees Ciara.
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Maybe not necessarily with Chase, but it'd be nice if DAYS did something along the lines of Michael Baldwin (Y&R), where the character did horrible things in his first stint, went to prison, and a few years later came back, but not for some haphazard, psychotic revenge. Yes I agree with most of that. BUT .. I wish Y&R hadn't written it that after Michael he had been out of jail for a while, he began working alongside his victim (Christine) and later dated her.
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Feb 14 2016, 03:40 PM
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I just hope they have Andre speak up about the rape. I can imagine it will be hard for Ciara to but Andre keeping quiet about it would just be a new low for the character.
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Feb 14 2016, 03:45 PM
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I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with. I actually think the way they've progressed Hope and Chase is perfect for this upcoming story and for the way the story was playing pre-January. Hope only began living with this kid in November when he was already 16. It all went to hell around that time for both of them. This was followed by roughly 6 weeks of Hope not really interacting with anybody on an emotional level. Even after she began normalizing, she was more at ease with Ciara than Chase (and vice versa with Chase onto Hope).
We see a moment here and there of really nice connection but we see more moments of them avoiding each other. I totally get why there'd be a pull but an even bigger push with their history, it's natural.
Chase & Hope kind of remind me of Erica and Kendall on "All My Children". [Erica birthed Kendall as a product of rape when she was a teenager & a needy, troubled Kendall showed up in her life one day and...] Where Erica was trying with Kendall but just couldn't fully go there and then Kendall would lash out because she felt she wasn't getting what she wanted from Erica fast enough. There would be an occasional really sweet moment here and there that would make you root for them to make something of it but it was rare, the rest of the time was "going through the motions." This is a little more sloppy/abrupt due to writing changes, but it's kind of similar to me.
Ciara/Chase to me had a regular sibling-ish relationship except for both of them now being creepy by being attracted to the other.
There's speed/writer change issue(s) here but all the same you have things firmly set up that you can play off really well.
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My issue isn't with whether or not people want to see Chase redeemed. I don't actually think Chase is interesting enough to be redeemed, and personally, I'd write him out after mining the drama of this story, unless the actor turned out to be very talented. What I mean is that there could potentially be parallels between this story and Jack's - namely that the show didn't sweep away the fact that Jack was a person with connections to the canvas. They looked at what those connections meant to him and to Kayla, and to Steve and to Jo. They did that partially to build up to Jack's redemption, but that doesn't have to be the end result, and it lead to good scenes for all the people in the story. Chase is a boy that Hope brought into her home and vowed to take care of. Someone Ciara has said she thought of as a brother. I wish they wouldn't write a story about rape at all, but if they are, I think it would be a shame to throw all that history out the window and avoid a character driven story in favor of pretending Chase is some random rapist who broke into the house one day and attacked Ciara. I also imagine that, in the 80s, if you'd asked the audience if they wanted the writers to go scorched-earth with Jack and ignore all the history surrounding him and S&K, people would have said yes, but the audience can speak from experience now. If you didn't like that story, then fair enough, but if you did think it was well done, then there's potentially another opportunity for that on the horizon.
I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with. Except that Jack was not a well-developed character before the rape. He'd only been around for about 10 months or so and MA was the third actor to portray him. For all but about three of those months, Jack was (1) a fairly blank slate generic, rich Senator's son who's sole purpose was to play the foil for Steve (he was everything Steve thought Kayla should be with) and (2) a wooden, monotone, fairly pompous sick guy who was suddenly madly in love with Kayla who was revealed to be Steve's brother. Even when MA first took over the role, he was still a fairly generic good guy. It was only after Kayla returned to Jack after her poisoning that MA started showing the layers to the character. The connections were established pre-rape with Jack's reveal as Billy Johnson, but the character was pretty bland. He only became a real character after the rape and through the redemption.
With Chase, he's already been on canvas much longer (albeit as a younger kid) and has more of a potential source of a dark side with the accidentally killing his mother stuff and everything that happened with his father. But, I agree there is an opportunity to do something with the character with all of this which is why there is, IMO, a potential parallel to the Jack story.
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I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with.
I actually think the way they've progressed Hope and Chase is perfect for this upcoming story and for the way the story was playing pre-January. Hope only began living with this kid in November when he was already 16. It all went to hell around that time for both of them. This was followed by roughly 6 weeks of Hope not really interacting with anybody on an emotional level. Even after she began normalizing, she was more at ease with Ciara than Chase (and vice versa with Chase onto Hope). We see a moment here and there of really nice connection but we see more moments of them avoiding each other. I totally get why there'd be a pull but an even bigger push with their history, it's natural. Chase & Hope kind of remind me of Erica and Kendall on "All My Children". [Erica birthed Kendall as a product of rape when she was a teenager & a needy, troubled Kendall showed up in her life one day and...] Where Erica was trying with Kendall but just couldn't fully go there and then Kendall would lash out. There would be an occasional really sweet moment here and there that would make you root for them to make something of it but it was rare, the rest of the time was "going through the motions." This is a little more sloppy/abrupt due to writing changes, but it's kind of similar to me. Ciara/Chase to me had a regular sibling-ish relationship except for both of them now being creepy by being attracted to the other. There's speed/writer change issue(s) here but all the same you have things firmly set up that you can play off really well. That's my point. Chase and Hope aren't all that close, which is fine because of all that happened, so I don't think she'd necessarily be feeling some kind of responsibility to care about what he's going through. I think her overwhelming feeling should be that she didn't save Ciara from a very troubled kid.
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Feb 14 2016, 03:58 PM
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I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with.
Except that Jack was not a well-developed character before the rape. He'd only been around for about 10 months or so and MA was the third actor to portray him. For all but about three of those months, Jack was (1) a fairly blank slate generic, rich Senator's son who's sole purpose was to play the foil for Steve (he was everything Steve thought Kayla should be with) and (2) a wooden, monotone, fairly pompous sick guy who was suddenly madly in love with Kayla who was revealed to be Steve's brother. Even when MA first took over the role, he was still a fairly generic good guy. It was only after Kayla returned to Jack after her poisoning that MA started showing the layers to the character. The connections were established pre-rape with Jack's reveal as Billy Johnson, but the character was pretty bland. He only became a real character after the rape and through the redemption. With Chase, he's already been on canvas much longer (albeit as a younger kid) and has more of a potential source of a dark side with the accidentally killing his mother stuff and everything that happened with his father. But, I agree there is an opportunity to do something with the character with all of this which is why there is, IMO, a potential parallel to the Jack story. Jack may not have been as interesting pre-rape as afterwards but I do think he was developed well enough for people to care about him as an individual character. When he arrived he already had a mother and brother who cared about him even though he didn't know it, which gave the character significant ties to the canvas and allowed the rape to have a real impact on them. The same isn't true for Chase, who's sort of just there.
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It's definitely a cultural thing. I assume you're not an American? It's a well known saying over here.
ETA: This is about Catholic guilt.
I've been thinking about the Jack/Kayla rape/Jack's redemption story, too. I think it's odd that it is so popular around here, yet there's such a push not to do something similar again. I wouldn't mind it if it was done to the same level - but recent storylines indicate they are incapable of that level of depth.
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Except that Jack was not a well-developed character before the rape. He'd only been around for about 10 months or so and MA was the third actor to portray him. For all but about three of those months, Jack was (1) a fairly blank slate generic, rich Senator's son who's sole purpose was to play the foil for Steve (he was everything Steve thought Kayla should be with) and (2) a wooden, monotone, fairly pompous sick guy who was suddenly madly in love with Kayla who was revealed to be Steve's brother. Even when MA first took over the role, he was still a fairly generic good guy. It was only after Kayla returned to Jack after her poisoning that MA started showing the layers to the character. The connections were established pre-rape with Jack's reveal as Billy Johnson, but the character was pretty bland. He only became a real character after the rape and through the redemption. With Chase, he's already been on canvas much longer (albeit as a younger kid) and has more of a potential source of a dark side with the accidentally killing his mother stuff and everything that happened with his father. But, I agree there is an opportunity to do something with the character with all of this which is why there is, IMO, a potential parallel to the Jack story.
Jack may not have been as interesting pre-rape as afterwards but I do think he was developed well enough for people to care about him as an individual character. When he arrived he already had a mother and brother who cared about him even though he didn't know it, which gave the character significant ties to the canvas and allowed the rape to have a real impact on them. The same isn't true for Chase, who's sort of just there. But those connections (the mother and the brother) didn't know about it either when he first arrived. It was revealed until September. And I'll pretty much guarantee you that at no time prior to the rape did all that many fans actually care about the character. There just wasn't anything to care about. He'd been played by three actors and was the primary obstacle between Steve and Kayla (who people did care about). Even the reveal only mattered in terms of Steve, and to a lesser extent, Jo.
You're right, those connections certainly played into the reactions afterward. But again, it was much more about Steve and Kayla (and to a lesser extent Jo) and how the fact that Jack was Steve's brother affected them. And, again, I think the same could be said of Chase. The Hope/Chase connection might not be strong, but that would be part of the story. Not because she would fee responsible for him, but how her decisions ended up affecting her daughter.
It's not a perfect parallel, but there are some interesting similarities, IMO.
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My issue isn't with whether or not people want to see Chase redeemed. I don't actually think Chase is interesting enough to be redeemed, and personally, I'd write him out after mining the drama of this story, unless the actor turned out to be very talented. What I mean is that there could potentially be parallels between this story and Jack's - namely that the show didn't sweep away the fact that Jack was a person with connections to the canvas. They looked at what those connections meant to him and to Kayla, and to Steve and to Jo. They did that partially to build up to Jack's redemption, but that doesn't have to be the end result, and it lead to good scenes for all the people in the story. Chase is a boy that Hope brought into her home and vowed to take care of. Someone Ciara has said she thought of as a brother. I wish they wouldn't write a story about rape at all, but if they are, I think it would be a shame to throw all that history out the window and avoid a character driven story in favor of pretending Chase is some random rapist who broke into the house one day and attacked Ciara. I also imagine that, in the 80s, if you'd asked the audience if they wanted the writers to go scorched-earth with Jack and ignore all the history surrounding him and S&K, people would have said yes, but the audience can speak from experience now. If you didn't like that story, then fair enough, but if you did think it was well done, then there's potentially another opportunity for that on the horizon.
I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with. While I don't think they've done a good job showing a bond between Hope and Chase over the early years, due to the sorasing, and all the time Hope and Ciara spent with Aiden and Chase, Ciara saying she wanted Aiden to be her father etc. I don't think there's any getting around a bond actually existing. If Hope's relationship with Chase started after she took him in, that would be one thing, but part of the reason she took him in and thinks of him as family is because he grew up around her. Now, of course, she wouldn't have put him out on the street if she'd just met him a couple of months ago, but I don't think she would have been so insistent that he belonged with her and Ciara. And their current interactions aren't lacking because they don't have a bond. They're lacking because Hope is not in any position to provide much in the way of support.
For me, it's like Brady's sibling connection with Eric and Sami. We didn't see that develop on screen because Brady was too young, but now that he's been aged, he would have had to be raised with them.
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That's my point. Chase and Hope aren't all that close, which is fine because of all that happened, so I don't think she'd necessarily be feeling some kind of responsibility to care about what he's going through. I think her overwhelming feeling should be that she didn't save Ciara from a very troubled kid. I don't think Hope is going to remain the care-giver for this kid after this story. IMO, you can't even do Hope and Aiden after this story EVEN if Aiden wasn't the one that strangled Hope.
I feel like we're discussing Chase more because he's the better actor of the two kids and the more complicated character of the two kids, NOT because we think or want Hope's reaction to be more about Chase.
I don't for a moment think Hope is going to be more about Chase. She's going to try to kill Chase initially in all likelihood (something a parent would do even if they didn't have a slippery slope on their sanity). There probably will be more to it though then just plain rage in the overall scheme of the story and IMO there should be because while there wasn't a complete connection for believable reasons there were things that should have been in a perfect world. It's norm to "what if?"
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Jack may not have been as interesting pre-rape as afterwards but I do think he was developed well enough for people to care about him as an individual character. When he arrived he already had a mother and brother who cared about him even though he didn't know it, which gave the character significant ties to the canvas and allowed the rape to have a real impact on them. The same isn't true for Chase, who's sort of just there.
But those connections (the mother and the brother) didn't know about it either when he first arrived. It was revealed until September. And I'll pretty much guarantee you that at no time prior to the rape did all that many fans actually care about the character. There just wasn't anything to care about. He'd been played by three actors and was the primary obstacle between Steve and Kayla (who people did care about). Even the reveal only mattered in terms of Steve, and to a lesser extent, Jo. You're right, those connections certainly played into the reactions afterward. But again, it was much more about Steve and Kayla (and to a lesser extent Jo) and how the fact that Jack was Steve's brother affected them. And, again, I think the same could be said of Chase. The Hope/Chase connection might not be strong, but that would be part of the story. Not because she would fee responsible for him, but how her decisions ended up affecting her daughter. It's not a perfect parallel, but there are some interesting similarities, IMO. My point wrt to Jack is that one could still easily have wanted him around because he was Steve's brother. We saw how much losing Billy affected Steve so when Jack arrived the writers already had an authentic bond/relationship to use in order to keep him around. The opposite is true with Chase who continues to be an isolated character despite the characters he's supposedly connected to.
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I just hope they have Andre speak up about the rape. I can imagine it will be hard for Ciara to but Andre keeping quiet about it would just be a new low for the character. I don't expect Andre to speak up about it. He's evil IMO.
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But those connections (the mother and the brother) didn't know about it either when he first arrived. It was revealed until September. And I'll pretty much guarantee you that at no time prior to the rape did all that many fans actually care about the character. There just wasn't anything to care about. He'd been played by three actors and was the primary obstacle between Steve and Kayla (who people did care about). Even the reveal only mattered in terms of Steve, and to a lesser extent, Jo. You're right, those connections certainly played into the reactions afterward. But again, it was much more about Steve and Kayla (and to a lesser extent Jo) and how the fact that Jack was Steve's brother affected them. And, again, I think the same could be said of Chase. The Hope/Chase connection might not be strong, but that would be part of the story. Not because she would fee responsible for him, but how her decisions ended up affecting her daughter. It's not a perfect parallel, but there are some interesting similarities, IMO.
My point wrt to Jack is that one could still easily have wanted him around because he was Steve's brother. We saw how much losing Billy affected Steve so when Jack arrived the writers already had an authentic bond/relationship to use in order to keep him around. The opposite is true with Chase who continues to be an isolated character despite the characters he's supposedly connected to. Fair enough. Had they done anything interesting with Jack before the immediate lead-up to the rape, he might have been a character people would have wanted around regardless (although I think you still say the same thing about Chase). I don't think what they did do made anybody care that much about him though, even as Steve's brother. I mean, I certainly didn't care about him and was mightily disappointed they made Steve's brother be such a boring nobody.
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Feb 14 2016, 04:40 PM
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Legal validity aside they didn't know they weren't actually married all those years so it wouldn't impact them feeling like husband and wife for 30 years.
I also think the show isn't recognizing the weddings were invalidated. At memory lane they made a specific point of saying they thought they were married for many years before their first official wedding in 99. If anything they play it like it was J&M from the beginning. Even at the gala she said they were reminiscing of Salem and how they met there and fell in love and had their family. They really simplify the whole thing. I know that. But I'm just saying by making all of those marriages invalid through all of the crap with Alex North and Princess Gina, it feels like at least to me that they are insulting Jarlena by now giving them a valid marriage until 30 years after they met. I am glad that they are happy together but I hate how invalidating all of those marriages makes me feel like they can never be married in the eyes of the law. It feels like me to be an insult because I just want them to be married and not only feel like it, but actually be married. It just gets under my skin.
Also the show never brings up how Don and Roman were Marlena's husbands also and I don't like that it feels like the show is saying they never mattered.
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Feb 14 2016, 04:46 PM
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- Feb 14 2016, 04:33 PM
I don't expect Andre to speak up about it. He's evil IMO. Andre is and has always been a ridiculous, and creepy character - a serial killer, ordering murders, surviving ridiculous feats of death and near death BUT this is different to me. It's using innocent kids, it's rape EVEN if he doesn't say the words to Chase (which he won't). If they want him to be any type of viable character in a relationship, even as a villain, there has to be a conscience about it. It can't be *mustache twirl* "oh what a lovely, top of the line revenge I prompted that innocent kid to do on that innocent kid, what's next" *laugh* *dance*
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Pardon my breaking up the Ciara/Chase discussion, but...
I wonder when we'll start to hear details regarding the renewal. The studio is dark next week, so that's typically a time when they like to drop of few "bombs" in the press about certain people leaving. I guess it just all depends on if those folks in front or behind the camera have been informed of their dismissal.
I mean, I can't imagine that there won't be cuts. There's a reason the negotiation process took so long. Sony probably held out as long as they could on the licensing fee, but I have to imagine it's less than it was before.
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Feb 14 2016, 05:05 PM
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- Feb 14 2016, 03:26 PM
I don't think there are parallels to draw between the two stories beyond just that a rape is occurring. Therefore, I can quite easily see why someone would dismiss any more focus on Chase's character than is needed. He isn't like Jack who was a well developed character way before the rape. In fact, the opportunity to develop Chase's character lies in redeeming him which is why I'm interested in it. While Hope may have welcomed Chase into her home, her connection to him isn't that strong, which is a writing fault, so there are limits to which she should care about what he's going through. Same with Ciara's feelings towards Chase, who though she may have grown up with, still doesn't feel close to. I'm all for mining the character driven drama but not if they're going to be focusing on connections that don't run deep to begin with.
I actually think the way they've progressed Hope and Chase is perfect for this upcoming story and for the way the story was playing pre-January. Hope only began living with this kid in November when he was already 16. It all went to hell around that time for both of them. This was followed by roughly 6 weeks of Hope not really interacting with anybody on an emotional level. Even after she began normalizing, she was more at ease with Ciara than Chase (and vice versa with Chase onto Hope). We see a moment here and there of really nice connection but we see more moments of them avoiding each other. I totally get why there'd be a pull but an even bigger push with their history, it's natural. Chase & Hope kind of remind me of Erica and Kendall on "All My Children". [Erica birthed Kendall as a product of rape when she was a teenager & a needy, troubled Kendall showed up in her life one day and...] Where Erica was trying with Kendall but just couldn't fully go there and then Kendall would lash out. There would be an occasional really sweet moment here and there that would make you root for them to make something of it but it was rare, the rest of the time was "going through the motions." This is a little more sloppy/abrupt due to writing changes, but it's kind of similar to me. Ciara/Chase to me had a regular sibling-ish relationship except for both of them now being creepy by being attracted to the other. There's speed/writer change issue(s) here but all the same you have things firmly set up that you can play off really well.
That's my point. Chase and Hope aren't all that close, which is fine because of all that happened, so I don't think she'd necessarily be feeling some kind of responsibility to care about what he's going through. I think her overwhelming feeling should be that she didn't save Ciara from a very troubled kid. I agree. I think she'd care about Chase to a certain degree but ultimately Ciara wins.
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Feb 14 2016, 05:16 PM
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I would be cool with a long slow redemption of Chase if they took the time to really write it. I would not be cool with Chase/Ciara no matter how much care they took in writing it.
And given the S&K bubble I have no hope for this but i'd like Steve's reaction to a boy harming Bo's daughter vs an orphan boy who needs to be told he doesn't have to be the man his father was.
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