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| lysie | Feb 13 2016, 05:21 PM Post #61 |
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I was thinking extra-martital, but yeah..the term doesn't have to be like that. And actually, I think Adrienne/Lucas is a good example. I'd forgotten that. |
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| SoapsandDaysfan | Feb 13 2016, 05:24 PM Post #62 |
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It's just ridiculous that Steve went all over the world looking for Bo, and finally found him, yet couldn't even kind Kayla (and didnt even try to find her) in a warehouse across town. That's why I don't believe he was forced. Despite it being "written" (since the whole show is), the sex with Ava did happen. And Steve should have known better. |
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| laurondo | Feb 13 2016, 05:30 PM Post #63 |
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lol, they're probably surprised anyone thinks it's rape. |
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| granolagirl | Feb 13 2016, 06:05 PM Post #64 |
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#SorryNotSorry
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It's a pretty messy storyline, but for me, there are two ways to look at it. Either that there was a disconnect in the writing between fall and winter, as far as how resourceful Steve was in finding someone who was missing. Or, Steve decided that he would leave Kayla in potentially mortal danger longer than necessary, in case there was an opening for him to have sex with Ava in the course of her being kidnapped. This storyline is messy, but as much as I didn't see him turning over every stone looking for Kayla, I didn't see the second part play out, either. |
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| ssedai2 | Feb 13 2016, 07:12 PM Post #65 |
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Almost Alpha
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Weren't Chloe and Daniel an affair? Or was that a ONS? |
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| lysie | Feb 13 2016, 07:38 PM Post #66 |
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I don't really remember. They might work. |
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| laurondo | Feb 13 2016, 08:00 PM Post #67 |
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I think that was an affair 'cause wasn't she married to Lucas at the time? |
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| AngelaP | Feb 13 2016, 08:14 PM Post #68 |
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For me, anytime you step out of marriage and have sex with somebody else it is a sexual affair whether it be a ONS or something longer. The line blurs for me only if there's a death, an impostor, (rape goes without saying), or a legal separation/the intent to divorce.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 13 2016, 08:15 PM.
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| lysie | Feb 13 2016, 08:18 PM Post #69 |
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I may be misreading, but I think you're taking this like if it's not an affair, it's not as bad. That's not at all the intent. I just don't think it's the right word. To me "affair" implies more of a relationship than a one night stand. The lines you're talking about don't really have anything to do with where I think the wrong word is being used. |
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| six | Feb 13 2016, 09:26 PM Post #70 |
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I'm pretty sure she wasn't married to Lucas at the time. I'd still call it an affair, though (and I'd consider ejabby an affair, too, but not this current phelle stuff). |
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| concerned | Feb 13 2016, 09:30 PM Post #71 |
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I'm pretty sure she was engaged to Lucas though. |
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| AngelaP | Feb 13 2016, 09:45 PM Post #72 |
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Misreading, I think ;) I'm talking about my association with the word "affair". I've always associated the word with both a ONS and a longer-term sexual and/or emotional relationship while you're in a marriage OR even just a serious relationship with somebody else. "Cheating"/"Cheated" may be more accurate an assessment for a ONS. |
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| Amazee-Dayzee | Feb 13 2016, 11:27 PM Post #73 |
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I have a whole bookshelf of them. Shall I go get more? |
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| Kyrai | Feb 14 2016, 11:14 AM Post #74 |
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I like the dictionary version, except I'd add 'consensual' to sexual relationship: An affair is a sexual relationship, romantic friendship, or passionate attachment between two people without the other spouse knowing. J&M is hard because of their complicated history. Real Roman was dead. Marlena fell in love with RoJohn. Roman comes back, and she loved both. Roman was her 'real' husband. Isabella was pregnant. Roman and Marlena had children. Marlena and John both wanted what was best for the children. I loved John as their dad, but it wasn't Roman's fault he wasn't able to be a dad. Marlena never really had a choice between the two Romans. John never really had a choice. What happened was an affair because Marlena was married, and I'd argue even if it hadn't been sexual, there would always be a passionate attachment between them. Roman realized Marlena held special feelings for John that he couldn't fight after Maison Blanche. Sadly, it took forever for J&M to realize it. Sadder still, Roman unrealized it later. Taking out rape, affairs are pretty cut and dried to me. Being forced to have sex, and not telling your spouse because you're humiliated or devastated is not the same as enjoying sex and not telling your spouse, imo. I don't care Steve's relationship with Ava is called, but it was coerced sex, and I want Kayla to help him deal with it vs break up with him over it. I'm fine with Kayla being upset he didn't tell her, but I'd like her to realize he didn't tell her because he's devastated, that he's not just trying to hide it. I'd love if Ava does kill herself and frame Kayla so we can get good story proving Kayla didn't kill her. Or someone else can murder Ava and try to pin it on Kayla. So long as Ava dies. :) Edited by Kyrai, Feb 14 2016, 11:15 AM.
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| JaimeLannister | Feb 14 2016, 01:40 PM Post #75 |
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That promo is gross and not just because of the voiceover. I know this won't be a popular opinion but I'll say it anyway because disliking posts make me feel passive aggressive but I don't really need or want to see Kayla help Steve through this "ordeal". I didn't consider it rape but I'd be fine if the show plays it that way, however, I do think there's lots of room here for Kayla to react to Steve's actions regardless of whether she believes he was raped. Especially in light of Joey being angry at Steve and that I thought they were pretty much on different wavelengths before Kayla's abduction, I'd expect this to exacerbate the issues in their relationship rather than bring them together. At least for a little while. Also, given that Kayla's seeing Steve and Ava in bed and it looks consensual I think it's a bit of a rob to not play out her feelings towards him being with another woman. Even if she intellectually recognizes it's rape, emotionally it would still be a sting. (Sort of like Brady in regards to Eric/Kristen, but obviously on a less violent and vulgar scale since Kayla isn't a violent asshat.) |
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| esp13 | Feb 14 2016, 01:46 PM Post #76 |
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I do think it was rape, but I don't disagree with anything you said. I have no problem with Kayla not seeing it that way - at least at first - because she wasn't there (like we were). They already have trust issues and Steve's lied about it, Joey's perspective is certainly going to show things in a different light, and I'm sure the video is not going to support Steve's version. Add to the fact that I don't think Steve is going to call it rape, and I'm fine if it takes some time for both of them to get there - or at least get to the place where this is Ava's fault more than anything. |
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| jdawg1077 | Feb 14 2016, 02:22 PM Post #77 |
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Unlike others, I was fine with the return of Ava. I was willing to give it a chance, mostly because I like TB. And the story was fine, even great (when Ava whacked Kayla on the head, Joey's involvement). But once Ava and Steve slept together, it fell apart. It's so contrived. So ridiculous. And it wasn't rape. It was coercion. And the fact that Steve went through with it really was an unnecessary hit on his character. It reeks of lazy writing. And now there's a video. There were a million and one better ways to cause angst for Stayla. This nonsense should not have even made it beyond the story pitch. I hate to say it because I love Stayla, but I might have to start FF-ing their story until they've moved on from this. |
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| bygnedys | Feb 14 2016, 02:34 PM Post #78 |
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Thank you JCP.
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I wonder if something got cut. S.N. said in an article that Steve locked Ava in house and went looking for Kayla. Was there any scene of him mentioning it at all? Dena didn't want Steve looking like he was smart enough to figure out or trick Ava out of where she hid Kayla. Maybe Josh will give him back his smarts. |
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| nananana7 | Feb 14 2016, 03:07 PM Post #79 |
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Someone mentioned it on the thread about cut scenes. It didn't air. |
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| concerned | Feb 14 2016, 04:20 PM Post #80 |
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COERCION the action or practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. |
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