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Topic Started: Feb 15 2016, 03:10 AM (55,714 Views)
lene
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It was written like she WANTED it and lead him on then?? Is that what he's saying? he's digging that hole even deeper, man...
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Samuli
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I think you are one of the bravest men I have ever known, and I am exquisitely proud of you.

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Most people at the age of 19 should be able to understand that no means no.

I am 19, and to me it's 100% obvious. The concept of not knowing 'no means no' is really immature and plain stupid, especially being nineteen. Yes, that is still young but in my opinion people should know better at this point already. My education on the subject is based on common knowledge and on shows where they have portrayed rape, and it's not something I've just recently discovered, I've known it for years, and that's why it bugs me that some people don't know what's right or wrong regarding the subject.

Saw, he apologized about his comments, but still they way he laughingly talked about the storyline was really immature.
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Hugo


I don't get it. If he's telling the truth, that means the people working on the show told him that Ciara's point of view during the scene was that she wanted to have sex with Chase. Ugh... I guess she responded to the kiss at first but then she made it clear that she was not ready, I don't think for a second that she wanted to have sex with him. It would make more sense if that was Chase's point of view, that he thought Ciara wanted it.
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laurondo
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AmbernOK
Feb 20 2016, 03:43 AM
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That doesn't even make sense. Ciara never wanted Chase. She was never flirting with him.
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Maybe he is saying that in the show Chase thought Ciara wanted it.

We worked a lot with Thaao, so it's no wonder he can't differentiate perspectives.

Edit to add. I don't think it's appropriate to speak about issues like rape/sexual assault in the way they were talking (i.e. joking, using unclear perspectives). And it goes for both Jonathon and Thaao (I mean Thaao's rape comment in his DishinDays interview, and some earlier comments re: AS).
Edited by thepadange, Feb 20 2016, 05:16 AM.
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 03:57 AM
I don't get it. If he's telling the truth, that means the people working on the show told him that Ciara's point of view during the scene was that she wanted to have sex with Chase. Ugh... I guess she responded to the kiss at first but then she made it clear that she was not ready, I don't think for a second that she wanted to have sex with him. It would make more sense if that was Chase's point of view, that he thought Ciara wanted it.
I think that's what he means - Chase perceived Ciara wanted it.

This guy should just stick to the exact words the PR dept give him and drop the jokes. He does himself and Days no favours.
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AngelaP
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He phrased that in the worst way possible. I agree that he meant from Chase's perspective but the way he phrased it made it sound like "that's what aired on Wednesday."
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Hugo


The show doesn't seem ambiguous about the fact that it was rape. But it bothers me if it was in the writing that Ciara desired Chase and even led him on. Because while it didn't give Chase the right to rape her, you know some fans will use that to diminish Chase's responsability. I never thought Ciara was into Chase but in the dream episode, they made it clear that she was. It's annoying. I feel like Days is playing with fire and the viewers might receive the opposite message that what they want to send.
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 04:20 AM
The show doesn't seem ambiguous about the fact that it was rape. But it bothers me if it was in the writing that Ciara desired Chase and even led him on. Because while it didn't give Chase the right to rape her, you know some fans will use that to diminish Chase's responsibility. I never thought Ciara was into Chase but in the dream episode, they made it clear that she was. It's annoying. I feel like Days is playing with fire and the viewers might receive the opposite message that what they want to send.
Those fans were probably looking for a reason to do that anyway. Ciara supposedly liking Chase in no way makes him less responsible and I don't think that's what the show even implied. They've just set the context of the story
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 04:20 AM
The show doesn't seem ambiguous about the fact that it was rape. But it bothers me if it was in the writing that Ciara desired Chase and even led him on. Because while it didn't give Chase the right to rape her, you know some fans will use that to diminish Chase's responsability. I never thought Ciara was into Chase but in the dream episode, they made it clear that she was. It's annoying. I feel like Days is playing with fire and the viewers might receive the opposite message that what they want to send.
I don't mind that they did that. The attraction.

You can be the biggest (male or female) whore on earth, no means no. You can be a wife and he can be your husband, no means no. You can grind on his joy stick, no means no. The layer of her attraction was added ultimately to state the aforementioned; and, in the meantime, for escalated drama effect. It causes Chase to think what he did was somehow wanted AND it causes her to question if she somehow asked for this.

The part I did mind about this is the pace. She went from clearly not interested one bit (Dena's reign), to clearly interested (Josh's reign) in the snap of a finger.
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 04:20 AM
The show doesn't seem ambiguous about the fact that it was rape. But it bothers me if it was in the writing that Ciara desired Chase and even led him on. Because while it didn't give Chase the right to rape her, you know some fans will use that to diminish Chase's responsability. I never thought Ciara was into Chase but in the dream episode, they made it clear that she was. It's annoying. I feel like Days is playing with fire and the viewers might receive the opposite message that what they want to send.
Technically IRL a dream doesn't mean there's an actual attraction. You can have sexual dreams about strangers or persons you aren't interested in (and even your sexual orientation can be different in your dreams than it is IRL).

But I agree, when shows do it, it usually means something. The attraction aspect wasn't needed in this case. It shouldn't change the message and I hope it won't.
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Hugo


I'm just hoping the writing for the Marlena/Ciara scenes will ease our concerns about the writers intentions. It sucks that we have to wait a few more weeks or months to see them.
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Well, this just gets better and better! I'm already pissed off about Hackley still at DAYS and now this crap. JUST CANCEL THE SHOW ALREADY!!! 😡😡😡😡😡
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Feb 20 2016, 05:06 AM
Well, this just gets better and better! I'm already pissed off about Hackley still at DAYS and now this crap. JUST CANCEL THE SHOW ALREADY!!! 😡😡😡😡😡
I'm passed the point of caring about this show. Especially since we found out Dena is now the HW and Griffin is out.The network execs renewed Days prematurely.
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Samuli
Feb 20 2016, 03:51 AM
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Most people at the age of 19 should be able to understand that no means no.

I am 19, and to me it's 100% obvious. The concept of not knowing 'no means no' is really immature and plain stupid, especially being nineteen. Yes, that is still young but in my opinion people should know better at this point already. My education on the subject is based on common knowledge and on shows where they have portrayed rape, and it's not something I've just recently discovered, I've known it for years, and that's why it bugs me that some people don't know what's right or wrong regarding the subject.

Saw, he apologized about his comments, but still they way he laughingly talked about the storyline was really immature.
THANK YOU.

I hate the "he's just a kid" excuse. He's 19. He's supposed to fucking know better.
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 12:40 AM
AngelaP
Feb 20 2016, 12:33 AM
Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 12:21 AM
What I take from these comments is that, like a lot of victims, Ciara didn't fight back because she was scared Chase would hurt her more if she did. And like a lot of rapists, Chase thought that meant it wasn't rape.
I've found myself wanting to say "why didn't she fight harder?" I didn't believe she wanted it AT ALL but I've had to stop myself from saying "why didn't she fight harder?" It's a stupid question because "no" is more than enough.

I remember when I was in elementary school, I was friends with this boy roughly my age who lived in my building. He suggested we play house one day. So he got it to the point where we were lying down on the couch and he was starting to get fresh. I told him to stop, and I got up and left very quickly. I can't imagine what I would have done if he had gone harder at me, pushing/covering the mouth.



If you get mugged on the street, you are supposed to give up your possessions instead of risking getting hurt. Nobody will blame you for not fighting it and say you wanted to get mugged.
You win the thread.
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He shouldn't have said what he did in that periscope and lucky for him they come down after 24 hours although people will be quoting his comments for quite some time I'm sure. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because he is 19 he should know better. Kids mature at different rates and some teens are incredibly mature and some are not. And then environment also comes into play. Brain research shows that the brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25 and that the part of the brain that inhibits impulsive, reckless behavior is still developing during these years. - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

Don't take that comment as any kind of endorsement of violent behavior or even his periscope video; it's just support for my argument that you can't say a kid is 19 so he should know better than to make "ignorant" comments. People aren't all the same, don't have the same upbringing, and sometimes they make ridiculous comments. And sometimes they just don't have fully mature brains. If he comes back at the age of 25 and says the same thing, then I would be much more critical. And quite honestly, the fact that he is dyslexic speaks to me. I hope this didn't come across as any kind of defense because that is not what this is, but just an explanation that it's not all black and white in terms of what he said. He probably needs someone to sit him down and tell him to stop making videos until his brain matures. As do many unwise teens/young adults.
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At 19, you're supposed to know better. Kids these days get educated about rape and the meaning of 'no' from the very beginning of puberty, practically in the very first class of SexEd.

Jonathon needs a good sit-down with his parents. He also needs to watch his ego. If he's already now planning his Emmy speech, he's gonna burn his bridges in Hollywood really quickly and will not make it past soaps.
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I was going to watch the periscope but it's already down. Says Broadcast can not be found. I am appalled at his comments that others recapped here. I agree that there's nothing left for him on DOOL especially after reading those. Bye now Jonathan!
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Samuli
Feb 20 2016, 03:51 AM
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Most people at the age of 19 should be able to understand that no means no.

I am 19, and to me it's 100% obvious. The concept of not knowing 'no means no' is really immature and plain stupid, especially being nineteen. Yes, that is still young but in my opinion people should know better at this point already. My education on the subject is based on common knowledge and on shows where they have portrayed rape, and it's not something I've just recently discovered, I've known it for years, and that's why it bugs me that some people don't know what's right or wrong regarding the subject.

Saw, he apologized about his comments, but still they way he laughingly talked about the storyline was really immature.
it's pretty stupid if you are a man, woman, or an amoeba to not know if you have to put you hand over a girl's mouth it's rape.
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