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Topic Started: Feb 15 2016, 03:10 AM (55,713 Views)
crookedhalo


Jasminemg
Feb 20 2016, 09:03 AM
He shouldn't have said what he did in that periscope and lucky for him they come down after 24 hours although people will be quoting his comments for quite some time I'm sure. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because he is 19 he should know better. Kids mature at different rates and some teens are incredibly mature and some are not. And then environment also comes into play. Brain research shows that the brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25 and that the part of the brain that inhibits impulsive, reckless behavior is still developing during these years. - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

Don't take that comment as any kind of endorsement of violent behavior or even his periscope video; it's just support for my argument that you can't say a kid is 19 so he should know better than to make "ignorant" comments. People aren't all the same, don't have the same upbringing, and sometimes they make ridiculous comments. And sometimes they just don't have fully mature brains. If he comes back at the age of 25 and says the same thing, then I would be much more critical. And quite honestly, the fact that he is dyslexic speaks to me. I hope this didn't come across as any kind of defense because that is not what this is, but just an explanation that it's not all black and white in terms of what he said. He probably needs someone to sit him down and tell him to stop making videos until his brain matures. As do many unwise teens/young adults.
if this was a real life occurrence how much of an excuse would that really be, sadly it's used a lot...yes I had my hand over her mouth, yes she was crying, yes she told me she didn't think of me that way, but she kissed me...she led me on... :puke:
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crookedhalo


laurondo
Feb 20 2016, 03:58 AM
AmbernOK
Feb 20 2016, 03:43 AM
[twitter=jonathanmcclen/status/700959191603683328]
That doesn't even make sense. Ciara never wanted Chase. She was never flirting with him.
he came to Andre's freaked out...he ripped her skirt, He put his hand over her Mouth that Damn :soapbox: :flipoff: :soapbox:

This is what is wrong with rape stories, this is why I hate them...UGH!!!!!!!!!!
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Hugo


What Jonathon said was bad but to be fair he called Chase a rapist and used the word rape in his tweet so at least he's not trying to deny what it was. I think it's possible that he thought he was just repeating what the director (or someone else) told him. It's also possible that it was just his ignorant opinion. Either way, I don't believe his declarations will do a lot of harm, I can't imagine he has a big following so it's not gonna influence a lot of people and change their views on rape. I'm more concerned about what is going to air on the show and influence 3 million viewers.
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crookedhalo


Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 10:16 AM
What Jonathon said was bad but to be fair he called Chase a rapist and used the word rape in his tweet so at least he's not trying to deny what it was. I think it's possible that he thought he was just repeating what the director (or someone else) told him. It's also possible that it was just his ignorant opinion. Either way, I don't believe his declarations will do a lot of harm, I can't imagine he has a big following so it's not gonna influence a lot of people and change their views on rape. I'm more concerned about what is going to air on the show and influence 3 million viewers.
the reason is most rape stories aren't told right, I say we get Sami, put a gun in her hand, tell her to think of Alan and let it out...

I guess it would be ok if they would tell a rape story right, nah! :drunk:
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 10:16 AM
What Jonathon said was bad but to be fair he called Chase a rapist and used the word rape in his tweet so at least he's not trying to deny what it was. I think it's possible that he thought he was just repeating what the director (or someone else) told him. It's also possible that it was just his ignorant opinion. Either way, I don't believe his declarations will do a lot of harm, I can't imagine he has a big following so it's not gonna influence a lot of people and change their views on rape. I'm more concerned about what is going to air on the show and influence 3 million viewers.
Well he also chuckled when a teenage girl fan posted "I wouldn't care if u did it to me." I don't think he's taking it seriously and the show obviously is. That's all on him.
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DiMera87
Feb 20 2016, 10:39 AM
Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 10:16 AM
What Jonathon said was bad but to be fair he called Chase a rapist and used the word rape in his tweet so at least he's not trying to deny what it was. I think it's possible that he thought he was just repeating what the director (or someone else) told him. It's also possible that it was just his ignorant opinion. Either way, I don't believe his declarations will do a lot of harm, I can't imagine he has a big following so it's not gonna influence a lot of people and change their views on rape. I'm more concerned about what is going to air on the show and influence 3 million viewers.
Well he also chuckled when a teenage girl fan posted "I wouldn't care if u did it to me." I don't think he's taking it seriously and the show obviously is. That's all on him.
no, and that teenage girl, ugh!
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lene
Feb 20 2016, 01:56 AM
[twitter=l3nee91/status/700935566385356804]
Was this tweet deleted? I can't see it. What did it say?
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Well, I guess this makes it easier for me not to be as sympathetic when JM gets fired or if/when his character gets thrown under the bus.

I'm sure he just did what Thaoo does (which I hope he's not learning more things like that from Thaoo because if he is he will be getting in trouble like this regularly) which is he's immersing himself in the character and explaining from the perspective of how the character saw the situation. Only issue is that when your doing that for something as horrible as rape it makes you come off offensive and horrible and that is what happened here. The way he handled this was just the worst way he could've. The fact he was joking about it on top of everything else and that some fans were even enjoying it and saying things like "you could do that to me" was even more horrifying.

He does seem a bit "off" on social media, especially lately. VJ and Days seem to be taking this seriously and then he seems to be taking it as any other story and way too lightly. The periscope videos may be gone but this won't go away. He should get talked to at the very least and needs to try to make amends for this and, if he were fired, I wouldn't even think that was out of line because of this depending on what his attitude may have been about it. If he was expressing remorse for this, fine. Make up for it and make amends. If he doesn't and thinks he was doing right, than he should lose his job because you don't want someone like that representing your show. This is very Bryan Craig-like.
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elizhope
Feb 20 2016, 11:04 AM
lene
Feb 20 2016, 01:56 AM
[twitter=l3nee91/status/700935566385356804]
Was this tweet deleted? I can't see it. What did it say?
Someone captured Jonathon McClendon's persiscope, and made the really bad section into a video file, and then tweeted the video. That tweet was embedded here for discussion.
I saw it last night here in the forum. It was worse than described, he was laughing while describing that Ciara wanted it.

Apparently the tweet has since been deleted.

Edited by nananana7, Feb 20 2016, 11:42 AM.
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crookedhalo
Feb 20 2016, 09:58 AM
Jasminemg
Feb 20 2016, 09:03 AM
He shouldn't have said what he did in that periscope and lucky for him they come down after 24 hours although people will be quoting his comments for quite some time I'm sure. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because he is 19 he should know better. Kids mature at different rates and some teens are incredibly mature and some are not. And then environment also comes into play. Brain research shows that the brain isn't fully developed until the age of 25 and that the part of the brain that inhibits impulsive, reckless behavior is still developing during these years. - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708

Don't take that comment as any kind of endorsement of violent behavior or even his periscope video; it's just support for my argument that you can't say a kid is 19 so he should know better than to make "ignorant" comments. People aren't all the same, don't have the same upbringing, and sometimes they make ridiculous comments. And sometimes they just don't have fully mature brains. If he comes back at the age of 25 and says the same thing, then I would be much more critical. And quite honestly, the fact that he is dyslexic speaks to me. I hope this didn't come across as any kind of defense because that is not what this is, but just an explanation that it's not all black and white in terms of what he said. He probably needs someone to sit him down and tell him to stop making videos until his brain matures. As do many unwise teens/young adults.
if this was a real life occurrence how much of an excuse would that really be, sadly it's used a lot...yes I had my hand over her mouth, yes she was crying, yes she told me she didn't think of me that way, but she kissed me...she led me on... :puke:
I don't think you got my point at all. I made it very clear in my post that I was not using the brain research as any kind of defense for violent behavior. My point, which I knew would get taken out of context, but I posted it anyway is that the ACTOR did something stupid, but it doesn't make him a bad person and NO, I don't hold him to the same standards - ONLY in terms of a silly periscope video - as I would someone that is older and more mature. My point which was also lost (and I knew that would happen) is that one 19 year old is not the same as another. You can't make the argument that since I'm 19 and I make great decision, every 19 years old will do that. Different people mature at different rates. If this ACTOR had gone out and raped someone then NO way would I defend that. It's indefensible. But he's just an immature boy that hopefully will learn from his mistake. I'm not defending his posting of the video. I'm just asking people to look beyond the black and white and try to have some mercy on a kid that probably did something stupid and had someone tell him it was stupid or realized he fucked up and took it down.

We tell kids at school all the time that when you put something on the internet it's there forever. They don't listen because they think they are invincible and because their brains have another 5-10 years to mature. Not an excuse for bad behavior, but a consideration certainly.
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If anyone wants to see what JM said, it's still available here:

[twitter=l3nee91/status/700999161869692928]
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I don't like that he went with "I was speaking as Chase" defense. IMO, he wasn't despite "going in character." He was doing the "Chase is a rapist, but...you know, you know *wink, wink*" with a side of believing joking about the details was funny or somehow cool.

Just admit you acted like a complete tool in the moment and say you're sorry.
Edited by AngelaP, Feb 20 2016, 01:00 PM.
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AngelaP
Feb 20 2016, 12:15 AM
Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 11:59 PM
Wow... this is scary. The boy needs to be educated about rape culture. This makes me worried about the story the show is telling as well, I want the writing to make it clear that Ciara is not to blame for her rape. Because that doesn't sound clear to Jonathon. Hopefully the scenes with Ciara and Marlena will accomplish that.
IMO, Josh is going to write the story well. There's absolutely no question. They're probably going to have Chase say what Jonathan said; they're probably going to have Ciara question herself due to that. The questioning will not make this a badly told story. Rape victims will often question what they could have done different; same goes for the "uneducated" viewer (questioning what the victim should have done different to stay out of the situation).
They probably will. Which is sadly all too realistic. That's what happens for a lot of women. And it's supported by parts of the culture around them. It's disgusting and wrong, but it's realistic. I think they'll have Chase say that, Ciara will go back and forth (she knows it, technically, but being violated messes with your mind) and then someone else (most likely Marlena, Julie, Hope, Jennifer, etc) will be the voice of truth.

And if anything made it clear that that part is necessary, McClendon just did. It doesn't matter if he was joking, or "in character" (as I saw someone on twitter say "He was being Chase!"). Even so, it was in bad taste, and if he was in character, that should have been made clear. And no, he wasn't "asked" on periscope. Questions come up on the screen in the broadcast, and he was not asked about the story.

I watched those 8 minutes of footage, and it reeked of entitlement. It's Bryan Craig all over again. And then, of course, you had the fan saying she "wouldn't care if u did it to me". More examples of how important telling a story like responsibly is. Especially on a day when an artist was told earlier that day that the justice system that is supposed to protect her, says she has to fulfill her contract and work with the man who violated her.
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daysjahvu
Feb 20 2016, 12:27 AM
Hugo
Feb 19 2016, 11:59 PM
Wow... this is scary. The boy needs to be educated about rape culture. This makes me worried about the story the show is telling as well, I want the writing to make it clear that Ciara is not to blame for her rape. Because that doesn't sound clear to Jonathon. Hopefully the scenes with Ciara and Marlena will accomplish that.
I know it's not the best comparison but I remember Heather Mills coming on and talking about prosthetic legs when Phillip had to get one. I can't believe they didn't sit Jonathon & Vivan down with an adviser for this specific story line. And if they did and that's what he got out of it, then that's really sad.

One of my girls asked what was up with Kesha today so I took that opportunity to climb up on my soapbox about these type of situations. No means No and god forbid anything like that happen, but immediately tell someone & get the police involved. I'm disappointed by Days because it doesn't look like Ciara is going that route. They also haven't included any info for rape victims yet.
Yes, absolutely they should. But most women don't. Because, like Kesha, society proves it doesn't always believe them when they do.
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 12:46 AM
AmbernOK
Feb 20 2016, 12:37 AM
He is live on Periscope right now and is acting like a punk! He needs a good kick in the ass! #SorryNotSorry!
He's lucky those get deleted after 24 hours. Although there's always the possibility that someone records them.
Oh Hugo, Soap Twitter always saves receipts. ;)
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Post-adolescence + immature brain development (until one's 30s) + millennial generation entitlement + Internet social media + modicum of fame and fortune + twisted Hollywood narcissistic ideals = nothing but trouble

Ergo, JM should really learn to stfu
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Hugo
Feb 20 2016, 10:16 AM
What Jonathon said was bad but to be fair he called Chase a rapist and used the word rape in his tweet so at least he's not trying to deny what it was. I think it's possible that he thought he was just repeating what the director (or someone else) told him. It's also possible that it was just his ignorant opinion. Either way, I don't believe his declarations will do a lot of harm, I can't imagine he has a big following so it's not gonna influence a lot of people and change their views on rape. I'm more concerned about what is going to air on the show and influence 3 million viewers.
Influencing one person is one too many in a culture that already excuses many rapists/abusers (Bill Cosby, Chris Brown, Sam Pepper, Dr Luke, Roman Polanski, the list goes on). And one person already said they wouldn't mind if he raped her (along with a string of other... obsessive tweets). That shows a lack of understanding and disregard for the subject, and it's a warning sign that they need to be educated.

What he says and what he understands are two different things. He can say the right words in a well thought-out tweet, but when he was talking freely, what he said was something else.
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Feb 20 2016, 01:10 PM
They probably will. Which is sadly all too realistic. That's what happens for a lot of women. And it's supported by parts of the culture around them. It's disgusting and wrong, but it's realistic. I think they'll have Chase say that, Ciara will go back and forth (she knows it, technically, but being violated messes with your mind) and then someone else (most likely Marlena, Julie, Hope, Jennifer, etc) will be the voice of truth.

And if anything made it clear that that part is necessary, McClendon just did. It doesn't matter if he was joking, or "in character" (as I saw someone on twitter say "He was being Chase!"). Even so, it was in bad taste, and if he was in character, that should have been made clear. And no, he wasn't "asked" on periscope. Questions come up on the screen in the broadcast, and he was not asked about the story.

I watched those 8 minutes of footage, and it reeked of entitlement. It's Bryan Craig all over again. And then, of course, you had the fan saying she "wouldn't care if u did it to me". More examples of how important telling a story like responsibly is. Especially on a day when an artist was told earlier that day that the justice system that is supposed to protect her, says she has to fulfill her contract and work with the man who violated her.
I think a lot of writers feel it's important to add that element in a true teenage/adult rape story because society all too often will say "she (he) did...if she (he) did/didn't...look at the way she (he)..." instead of holding the man (or woman) completely accountable for his (or her) actions. Most writers will want to deliver the message "no matter what the rapist or you at home thinks, no woman ever asks to be raped."

Jonathan. I sat on that recap for a couple of hours before posting because I really wanted to think before I posted it ... was my feeling upon seeing the "she wanted it" part an over reaction? Was I taking it in the wrong way? I didn't go into watching that Periscope wanting to get material to bash anybody, I just wanted to see if he spoiled anything.

JM, in general? Rape thing aside. He does seem cocky/child-actor-turning-into-adult strange but that I won't hold against him. We all have different personalities, sometimes the most insecure among us are those who come out the most cocky when relating to strangers.
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I really hope the directors &/ or writers didn't tell JM that the whole "Ciara wanted it "
was what they were going for in this storyline because that would be
Horrible.
I really hope this is JM just being an ignorant douchebag .

As to the girl saying he could do it to her or other stupid comments like that
It is like the woman that want to date , marry or have sex with jailed
Murderers , serial killers etc :drunk: :headbang:
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