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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,115 Views)
Ken Adams
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I like the Chad and Andre scenes but I still can't look at Andre's unhealed face without wincing. Makeup dept need to get their work straight. How is it that Andre's face looks like that but Brady's heart transplant cut looks almost healed and barely a scar??
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DaysFan2009
Feb 17 2016, 02:25 PM
esp13
Feb 17 2016, 01:52 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:41 PM

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Oh, I absolutely agree on that part. It's hard to have faith, although I have more faith in Josh (who I firmly believe is behind this story) than Dena (who clearly didn't follow up on the set-up Josh started). I know people (not you necessarily) think that Andre's role is provide Chase an "out" but I really don't think it is. First off, I'm not sure how it would - he wasn't drugged, or subjected to brainwashing, he was simply influenced. Second, I really think it was just a way for Josh to speed up the set-up which was supposed to be happening for the last three months.

And, ironically, one of the reasons I have a little faith that this might be handled better is the Steve and Kayla stuff. I know Steve hasn't told the whole truth (and that's going to blow up his face) but he's been a lot more honest with Kayla than ever thought he would be. And his reactions - both immediately after he was forced to have sex with Ava and since he's been home - have been far more layered than I expected. Even though I fully believe what happened in that hotel room was rape, I never expected the show to treat it that way (for numerous reasons). But (stupid promo voiceovers aside) they are treating it as consensual or something "he wanted" either. I don't know that I can explain it exactly, but they've handled the aftermath of that quite differently than I feared they would and I guess that gives me hope that now that Josh is back in charge, this Ciara story will be handled better as well.
How does anyone know that Chase was not brainwashed or drugged. I found it a little odd that Andre was shoving food at Chase that he didn't touch himself. Just because it didn't happen on screen with a picture tutorial doesn't mean it didn't happen, so brainwashing or some sort of mind control could be a possibility as well. It seems clear to me that Andre is using Chase as a pawn in his revenge scheme. If he can do it to Chad, it shouldn't exactly be a shocker that he would do the same to Chase.
Well, I can only go by what was onscreen. There was no evidence of any drugging. And while Andre was certainly ... making suggestive comments to Chase, there was also no evidence of actual brainwashing (as opposed to Chad where we actually saw the brainwashing).

They could certainly retcon it, or have Chase react afterwards in a way that would suggest he was drugged. But, for right now, I don't have any evidence of either of those things so I don't think that happened. If they wanted to clearly give Chase an "out" they would have shown the drugging or the actual brainwashing. They didn't.
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Deverauxfan
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Bellarke <3

nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 02:30 PM
Deverauxfan
Feb 17 2016, 02:24 PM
Wasn't he the one who wrote Billy/Chelsea's rapemance?
Do you mean the rapemance between Billy and Chelsea on Y&R that was shown after Victoria and Billy broke up, and while Victoria was dating Stitch?
That was in 2014-2015.
Josh left Y&R in Oct 2013.

I'm not sure who was writing when Chelsea raped Billy in Asia. I wasn't watching back then.
Yea, I was talking about Y&R. Thanks for the info. :)
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
Fafokahw
Feb 17 2016, 12:18 PM
Andre drugging Chase and encouraging the rape of Ciara from what I see on Twitter is just horrible.
:o OMG!
None of that is true, lol.
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Deverauxfan
Feb 17 2016, 02:31 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 02:30 PM
Deverauxfan
Feb 17 2016, 02:24 PM
Wasn't he the one who wrote Billy/Chelsea's rapemance?
Do you mean the rapemance between Billy and Chelsea on Y&R that was shown after Victoria and Billy broke up, and while Victoria was dating Stitch?
That was in 2014-2015.
Josh left Y&R in Oct 2013.

I'm not sure who was writing when Chelsea raped Billy in Asia. I wasn't watching back then.
Yea, I was talking about Y&R. Thanks for the info. :)
I thought Chloe (not Chelsea) raped Billy? Their daughter died and she wanted to have another child from him.

Speaking of Y&R, Kevin raped Lily years ago and they are both still on the show, Kevin is mostly a good guy now. I think Chase can be redeemed but I think the writers are too lazy for that, I bet the rumor of Theo murdering Chase is true.
:facepalm:
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Mitchapalooza
Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
Fafokahw
Feb 17 2016, 12:18 PM
Andre drugging Chase and encouraging the rape of Ciara from what I see on Twitter is just horrible.
:o OMG!
Chase wasn't drugged at all and he knew what he was doing to Ciara by rapping her.
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DaysFan2009
Feb 17 2016, 02:25 PM
esp13
Feb 17 2016, 01:52 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:41 PM

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Oh, I absolutely agree on that part. It's hard to have faith, although I have more faith in Josh (who I firmly believe is behind this story) than Dena (who clearly didn't follow up on the set-up Josh started). I know people (not you necessarily) think that Andre's role is provide Chase an "out" but I really don't think it is. First off, I'm not sure how it would - he wasn't drugged, or subjected to brainwashing, he was simply influenced. Second, I really think it was just a way for Josh to speed up the set-up which was supposed to be happening for the last three months.

And, ironically, one of the reasons I have a little faith that this might be handled better is the Steve and Kayla stuff. I know Steve hasn't told the whole truth (and that's going to blow up his face) but he's been a lot more honest with Kayla than ever thought he would be. And his reactions - both immediately after he was forced to have sex with Ava and since he's been home - have been far more layered than I expected. Even though I fully believe what happened in that hotel room was rape, I never expected the show to treat it that way (for numerous reasons). But (stupid promo voiceovers aside) they are treating it as consensual or something "he wanted" either. I don't know that I can explain it exactly, but they've handled the aftermath of that quite differently than I feared they would and I guess that gives me hope that now that Josh is back in charge, this Ciara story will be handled better as well.
How does anyone know that Chase was not brainwashed or drugged. I found it a little odd that Andre was shoving food at Chase that he didn't touch himself. Just because it didn't happen on screen with a picture tutorial doesn't mean it didn't happen, so brainwashing or some sort of mind control could be a possibility as well. It seems clear to me that Andre is using Chase as a pawn in his revenge scheme. If he can do it to Chad, it shouldn't exactly be a shocker that he would do the same to Chase.
Yes it does actually. As of right now, Chase was not drugged or brainwashed. We saw nothing of the sort onscreen today. Andre not eating food doesnt mean he drugged Chase's, its just speculation that it couldve happened, not truth that it actually did. Chad was also strapped to a chair and brainwashed with some sort of brainwashing machine. Chase had a casual conversation with Andre. Not the same thing

Later on they might show us some flashback that showed Andre drugged him, but thats not what we know so far. So until the show decides to tell us Chase was drugged, he wasnt
Edited by elizhope, Feb 17 2016, 02:44 PM.
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Hope and Shawn Douglas finally!!!
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Why is Chase listening to Andre? the man his father, Hope and everyone else keeps telling him to stay away from??
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Why does Steve keep telling Kayla that the mess with Ava is over? it's far from over!!! lol
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Ken Adams
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Ugh! Not to happy about the ending, I just hope they don't continue with that scene tomorrow. If it happens then just show the aftermath. :sadwalk: I can't believe it's happening in the Horton house. I wish Jennifer would come home from work right about now.

I understand that how a character was portrayed as a kid is not an indication of how they will be as they are growing up but I always felt that Ciara would be able to give a good fight if she was ever placed in a situation like this.

Didn't Ciara take karate classes or was that just Chase?
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Belle what's with that horrible pink dress?? it looks horrible. Please take it off and wear something else. Her 2004-2006 Reilly era wardrobe was much better.
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Inara Serra
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Anyway, this works fine. Honey, you look horrific.

cord08
Feb 17 2016, 02:14 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 02:07 PM
I've seen several posts that this could all be some "Hope psych hospital dream". They've kept them in such bubbles that they could possibly make that work - Dena's done some real damage to other characters (Steve and Kayla) that with good writing can be redeemed but Revenge Hope is a clusterfuck. I vote for a Bobby Ewing:

Or St. Elsewhere. Just give Theo a snow globe....



Interestingly, St. Elsewhere had a weird obsession with rape stories.
Holy crap - how could I have forgotten about that ending!?!? Either a shower scene or snow globe will work - much better and tidier than trying to "FIX" the crap that Dena spewed all over the place.
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#SorryNotSorry

PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 02:43 PM
Why does Steve keep telling Kayla that the mess with Ava is over? it's far from over!!! lol
It's the flip-flopping that annoys me more. Last Thursday he said he didn't believe for a second that it was over. Just pick a side!
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Oh Claire!! "You whore yourself to Philip" and Belle almost slapping her... WOW Claire I love you and I'm 100% on your side but calm down a little. she's still your mother and you should still respect her if I don't.
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granolagirl
Feb 17 2016, 02:45 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 02:43 PM
Why does Steve keep telling Kayla that the mess with Ava is over? it's far from over!!! lol
It's the flip-flopping that annoys me more. Last Thursday he said he didn't believe for a second that it was over. Just pick a side!
I don't view it as flip-flopping as much as reality vs. denial. When Ava sent that text about needing to grieve and being sorry, Steve knew she was lying. But I think he also truly hopes that she won't come back, while knowing that his hopes aren't going to come true.

It's probably just me, but something in how SN plays it makes me feel like Steve knows it's a bunch of wishful thinking when he says it's over or she won't be back.
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Inara Serra
Feb 17 2016, 02:45 PM
cord08
Feb 17 2016, 02:14 PM
Inara Serra
Feb 17 2016, 02:07 PM
I've seen several posts that this could all be some "Hope psych hospital dream". They've kept them in such bubbles that they could possibly make that work - Dena's done some real damage to other characters (Steve and Kayla) that with good writing can be redeemed but Revenge Hope is a clusterfuck. I vote for a Bobby Ewing:

Or St. Elsewhere. Just give Theo a snow globe....



Interestingly, St. Elsewhere had a weird obsession with rape stories.
Holy crap - how could I have forgotten about that ending!?!? Either a shower scene or snow globe will work - much better and tidier than trying to "FIX" the crap that Dena spewed all over the place.
I'm all for one of these scenarios, but I hope they wait until the very end of Days to go the Bobby Ewing or St. Elsewhere route. Then, they can re-write absolutely everything and anything they want and all of the bad mistakes (i.e., storylines or even characters) can just be figments of someone's imagination ... :)
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Claire and Belle are little too Sami and Marlena at the moment. I need it to stop!!
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

LOL I love how all these kids are giving their parents attitude right now. I'm a bit more forgiving towards Steve, he needs to sit down with Joey and talk to him. Belle I couldn't care less. I'm 100% team Claire Brady!!!!
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Ocean
Feb 17 2016, 02:37 PM
Mitchapalooza
Feb 17 2016, 01:34 PM
Fafokahw
Feb 17 2016, 12:18 PM
Andre drugging Chase and encouraging the rape of Ciara from what I see on Twitter is just horrible.
:o OMG!
Chase wasn't drugged at all and he knew what he was doing to Ciara by rapping her.
Why do people think Chase was drugged? He was in full control.

Andre didn't even tell him to go rape Ciara, though I'm sure Andre wouldn't really care. He essentially told him that girls don't want a nice guy, so Chase can stop pretending. Girls want men who are strong and in control. Men who take what they want.

Which is the type of thinking that plays into rape culture, anyway. But, not exactly 'let me slip you some drugs and tell you to go out and rape your crush.'
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