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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,114 Views)
Deverauxfan
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Bellarke <3

Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 02:36 PM
Deverauxfan
Feb 17 2016, 02:31 PM
nananana7
Feb 17 2016, 02:30 PM

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Yea, I was talking about Y&R. Thanks for the info. :)
I thought Chloe (not Chelsea) raped Billy? Their daughter died and she wanted to have another child from him.

Speaking of Y&R, Kevin raped Lily years ago and they are both still on the show, Kevin is mostly a good guy now. I think Chase can be redeemed but I think the writers are too lazy for that, I bet the rumor of Theo murdering Chase is true.
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Chelsea raped Billy in Myanmar. She drugged him first.

Chloe also raped Billy.
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I love Stayla, but I hope their relationship survive because Steve wasn't honest with her sweetness when he had a chance to tell her the truth what happened between him and Ava in Indonesia.
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PetrovaSalvatore
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Well Belle is NO Marlena Evans Black that's for sure!!!

As much as Andre is cartoonishly evil and annoys me. Rafe trying to frame him annoys me even more!!!

If they have Theo kill Chase over what happened to Ciara than this show is seriously messed up and is really messing up these teens.
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DaysFan2009
Feb 17 2016, 02:25 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 01:52 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 01:41 PM

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Oh, I absolutely agree on that part. It's hard to have faith, although I have more faith in Josh (who I firmly believe is behind this story) than Dena (who clearly didn't follow up on the set-up Josh started). I know people (not you necessarily) think that Andre's role is provide Chase an "out" but I really don't think it is. First off, I'm not sure how it would - he wasn't drugged, or subjected to brainwashing, he was simply influenced. Second, I really think it was just a way for Josh to speed up the set-up which was supposed to be happening for the last three months.

And, ironically, one of the reasons I have a little faith that this might be handled better is the Steve and Kayla stuff. I know Steve hasn't told the whole truth (and that's going to blow up his face) but he's been a lot more honest with Kayla than ever thought he would be. And his reactions - both immediately after he was forced to have sex with Ava and since he's been home - have been far more layered than I expected. Even though I fully believe what happened in that hotel room was rape, I never expected the show to treat it that way (for numerous reasons). But (stupid promo voiceovers aside) they are treating it as consensual or something "he wanted" either. I don't know that I can explain it exactly, but they've handled the aftermath of that quite differently than I feared they would and I guess that gives me hope that now that Josh is back in charge, this Ciara story will be handled better as well.
How does anyone know that Chase was not brainwashed or drugged. I found it a little odd that Andre was shoving food at Chase that he didn't touch himself. Just because it didn't happen on screen with a picture tutorial doesn't mean it didn't happen, so brainwashing or some sort of mind control could be a possibility as well. It seems clear to me that Andre is using Chase as a pawn in his revenge scheme. If he can do it to Chad, it shouldn't exactly be a shocker that he would do the same to Chase.
Well that is not what they showed on-screen, he appeared to know exactly what he is doing.
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It's sad what they are doing to Chase. I liked his character. He was troubled but this is going too far.
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Ken Adams
Feb 17 2016, 02:44 PM
Ugh! Not to happy about the ending, I just hope they don't continue with that scene tomorrow. If it happens then just show the aftermath. :sadwalk: I can't believe it's happening in the Horton house. I wish Jennifer would come home from work right about now.

I understand that how a character was portrayed as a kid is not an indication of how they will be as they are growing up but I always felt that Ciara would be able to give a good fight if she was ever placed in a situation like this.

Didn't Ciara take karate classes or was that just Chase?
I remember Chase did as the pre-sora younger one. I am not sure if Ciara was taking karate lessons as well.
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If you haven't watched today and don't know if you should...let me warn you ....DON"T!
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There is such an uproar on Twitter right now over this episode.
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Feb 17 2016, 02:57 PM
Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 02:36 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 02:31 PM

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I thought Chloe (not Chelsea) raped Billy? Their daughter died and she wanted to have another child from him.

Speaking of Y&R, Kevin raped Lily years ago and they are both still on the show, Kevin is mostly a good guy now. I think Chase can be redeemed but I think the writers are too lazy for that, I bet the rumor of Theo murdering Chase is true.
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Chelsea raped Billy in Myanmar. She drugged him first.

Chloe also raped Billy.
I didn't know that. It makes me rethink my opinion of Chelsea, I thought she was a good person. :blink:
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

When your own daughter is more mature about this entire situation than you are and knows how dangerous spending/flashing that money around is. Seriously I could write a book on all the reasons Belle sucks!!

Team Claire!!
Edited by PetrovaSalvatore, Feb 17 2016, 03:04 PM.
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Here my takeaways for today:

~ Belle sure is blowing through that money. . . way to lay low.

~ How funny is that pamphlet that Ava picked up Things to Do in Salem?

~ No kidding, I get the bad attitude that Claire has and all and she was a disrespectful, but Belle the Cheater is doing a lecture series on profanity - especially the irony of the word "freaking". Mmmmm'kay?! And man, we almost had a Marlena slaps Sami moment there with those two didn't we?

~ "Everyone Hates Nonno" sounds like a failed spinoff of Everybody Loves Raymond.

~ Seems like all Ciara and Theo do in this eppy is walk back and forth across HTS.

~ No lies, I'm way more interested in that case on the white board behind Rafe than I am in Rope's plot.

~ Oh. My. Lawwwwwwd. So Belle has told Brady (Teresa by eavesdropping), Phillip and now Claire about the stolen Dimera money?? And she's lying saying Sami just gave her a loan?!?!? Ugh! Lies!

~ Hummels? Murderous harpy and panting poodle? Andre for the lines of the day!

~ Okay, is there only one hotel room in Salem? BTW, where's that cute bellhop Derek?

~ Soooo, Sami stole all the money from DI from INSIDE the Dimera Mansion? Is this new information?!

~ Oh my lawwwwwd part deux - now Claire's telling Shawn about the money!? Uh oh! 1) This secret isn't really a secret and 2) This will punch holes in Rope's plan

~ Andre has a wikipedia page? HOPE does too? I like how Andre just dismisses brainwashing Chad so nonchalantly. I gotta say, I haaaate Rope, but until Claire dropped that little bomb on Shawn, their plan was going along pretty good. <passes Andre some neosporin ointment for his ouchie>

~ Oh no! Chase, no always means no. :-/
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Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 02:36 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 02:30 PM
Deverauxfan
Feb 17 2016, 02:24 PM
Wasn't he the one who wrote Billy/Chelsea's rapemance?
Do you mean the rapemance between Billy and Chelsea on Y&R that was shown after Victoria and Billy broke up, and while Victoria was dating Stitch?
That was in 2014-2015.
Josh left Y&R in Oct 2013.

I'm not sure who was writing when Chelsea raped Billy in Asia. I wasn't watching back then.
I thought Chloe (not Chelsea) raped Billy? Their daughter died and she wanted to have another child from him.
Chelsea raped Billy a few years ago -- Victor paid her to do this. This was in the country of Myanmar. Chelsea gave Billy some drugs or alcohol and raped him while he was under the influence. Resulting in her getting pregnant with Johnny. [And she claimed that he had raped her.] Later on she gave Johnny up for adoption to Billy and Victoria.

http://soapcentral.com/yr/whoswho/chelsea.php
Chelsea Lawson showed up just after they arrived home on New Year's Eve, claiming that Billy, going by the name Liam, had raped her in Myanmar. She showed them that she was pregnant and claimed that it was his. Billy told Victoria that he had been picked up by Chelsea in a bar where he had gotten very drunk. He admitted that they had danced together with him dreaming of Victoria, and that they had kissed. Then Chelsea had spiked his drink, and he woke up surrounded by police with heroin planted in his bag, and had been taken to prison. Billy claimed that he and Chelsea did not have sex, and that she was just trying to con him. Chelsea wanted a DNA test as proof. Billy admitted to Victoria that he didn’t remember everything from that night, but if the baby turned out to be his, he had not raped her. Victoria said that she believed him.

The point is that Billy was drunk out of his mind- plus Chelsea had put a substance into his drink. Billy thought he was dancing with Victoria and didn't remember anything else after that. He didn't consent to having sex with Chelsea.

Edit, to clarify, Victor paid Chelsea to get Billy into trouble by any means necessary, and part of what she did was frame him for some things so that he'd be imprisoned in Myanmar (per Victor's directive).
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In 2014, Chloe got Billy drunk and tried to rape him, in order to get herself pregnant, but he passed out drunk and his body did respond enough to ... , but it was still rape.
Chloe ended up getting herself pregnant by stealing a vial of Billy's sperm from a medical facility where it was in storage. However she had consensual sex with Kevin the same week, so the baby's paternity is unknown.
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Feb 17 2016, 02:24 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 01:47 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 01:27 PM

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Well we know he does fallout because of his writing on Y&R and OLTL...his stories all had huge fallout and were drawn out.
Wasn't he the one who wrote Billy/Chelsea's rapemance?
Passasante and Altman
Edited by DaveB81, Feb 17 2016, 03:09 PM.
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KweenBoda
Feb 17 2016, 12:00 PM
Has anyone at all heard a rumor that none of this Andre/Hope/Rafe stuff has happened that it is ALL in Hope's mind because she has already lost it and is in a mental hospital..or something to that effect?
That would be awesome and very twisty!
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Maybe Andre was slipping something in Chase's food. But, I don't think that's something the show would not make clear in an explicit manner.

The way it played out onscreen, this was Chase's decision and he knew damn well what he was doing.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

I really hate Rafe right now. And Hope for going along with this. Yes Andre deserves it BIG TIME!! But they're supposed to be the "heroes" they're meant to be better than this.
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Kevc1980
Feb 17 2016, 12:03 PM
KweenBoda
Feb 17 2016, 12:00 PM
Has anyone at all heard a rumor that none of this Andre/Hope/Rafe stuff has happened that it is ALL in Hope's mind because she has already lost it and is in a mental hospital..or something to that effect?
If they could pull that off, that would be awesome. Would be hard to do with Andre involved.
Unless it is all imaginary and he's not really involved at all. All of the Chase stuff could be happening, but not any of the Hope stuff.
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Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 02:36 PM
I thought Chloe (not Chelsea) raped Billy? Their daughter died and she wanted to have another child from him.

Speaking of Y&R, Kevin raped Lily years ago and they are both still on the show, Kevin is mostly a good guy now. I think Chase can be redeemed but I think the writers are too lazy for that, I bet the rumor of Theo murdering Chase is true.
:facepalm:
But why should he be redeemed? He's not an important character, and he raped a young legacy character. Why can't he just be punished for what he did? The way rapists should be.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

Seriously who's the mother and who's the daughter?? Belle continues to suck. Clearly she inherited nothing from her parents.
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PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 02:59 PM
Well Belle is NO Marlena Evans Black that's for sure!!!
No one ever can be, hon.
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