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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,110 Views)
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bygnedys
Feb 17 2016, 01:49 PM
Peanut
Feb 17 2016, 01:40 PM
This episode was so fucked up. I literally just started watching again last week, but it looks like I'm going to have to go on another break already. I will NOT watch "Rapes of Our Lives." :angry:
You wouldn't have wanted to watch during the 70's and 80's then.

Raped:

Marlena
Julie
Kimberly
Kayla
Jennifer-1990"s
Sami-Alan and then E.J.
There was also the hospital rapist storyline in 1986 with Maggie, and Christy Lynn being attacked and Robin, Jennifer and Melissa as almost victims

The issue that I have with these kinds of storylines being written now is that they're never done right, beats are always missed and the fall out of the storylines are basically non existent. Back then it was taken more seriously and was written more tactfully and they used it as an outlet to educate people.
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crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 04:03 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:59 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 03:57 PM

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It's a soap storyline. And it may be two in a month, but it's also two different writers in a month. At least this one isn't ambiguous. :shrug:
no it's worse... Ambiguous is more entertaining.

This is a young guy raping his young friend that considers him like a brother to her, after being talked to by a psychopath that is being framed for his father's death by the woman that killed him...

I'll take ambiguous anytime...any day. And it maybe a common soap story, hell, it's a common life story... 1 out of 5...but it's still not entertaining.
Eh. It's not the act that's supposed to be entertaining. That'd be ridiculous. It's the fallout. Hopefully, they'll come through on that.
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Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 04:00 PM
mel06
Feb 17 2016, 03:48 PM
Chase was my favorite teen.I cant justify what has happened with him. He has been ruined. I really liked the young actor and thought he had a lot of potential. Let's face it the writers would rather play the cheap rape card than come up wit anything truly compelling.It's beyond sickening essentially having a child rape another child.
It's sickening but it happens in real life so I suppose it's a good thing that some shows tell those stories. Shoud Days be one of those shows? I don't know. First, it's airing in the middle of the day, a lot of kids might be watching. Second, soap writers work like crazy to produce 250 episodes every year and I don't think they have a lot of time to seek advice about what they write, unlike writers of primetime shows. I think Days should let a show like Law & Order: Special Victims Unit tell those stories because there's a good chance they won't do it right.
Sorry but kids shouldn't be watching it. It's rated that way for a reason..there have been several rapes on Days among other worse things. That's not gonna change.
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I feel like Hope should be like, "Oh hey Shawn. Where'd you come from? You work here now? Where do you live?"
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
It's a common soap story but also one that's commonly bad on soaps. It also feels unnecessary and I don't believe the actors can carry it. It just seems like another cheap stunt on top of many, either that or someone at the show believing it's edgy and dark. Based on how poorly told their other edgy, dark stories have been under this regime, it's tough to imagine this one being any better.
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 04:01 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 03:59 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:55 PM

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what's crazy about a man punching his daughter's rapist? or abusive? Maybe in hindsight...OTT...maybe in hindsight a crime. Though I doubt any court would prosecute.
I wouldn't either, but that doesn't change the statement.
:shrug: ok, now I'm confused....

I'm just not enjoying Theo.. though Ciara talking about his Grandfather and Theo being bothered by it was a glimmer of something I could like...
Edited by crookedhalo, Feb 17 2016, 04:16 PM.
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crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 03:57 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
it's a stupid s/l a sad s/l a sadistic s/l...and two in a month...I agree "what's wrong with these writers?"
Overall, I think it's just poorly timed. And quite honestly, I'm not sure if it would have been any better if Dena hadn't screwed things up for a while. If Josh was in full control the last three months, we probably would have gotten fallout from the fall's depressing story lines only to be launched into this one.

That said, a lot of soaps struggle with balancing happy/lighter and depressing stories. I remember when Bianca was raped on AMC, the show was just coming off a story of an infant dying from a heart defect. The story following Bianca's rape also became depressing because her baby (resulting from the rape) was switched at birth and thought to be dead for, like, a year. AMC really was a tough slog for those few years, and I don't think the show ever fully recovered from it.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

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Feb 17 2016, 04:01 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 03:51 PM
Well EJ was forgiven cause he was charming and hot.

Jack was charismatic enough to turn his character around.

I dont see Chase being forgiven by the audience in a similar manner. I'm tired of crazy abusive men on this show!!! God where is Bo Brady to kick some serious ass when you need him?
And EJ was not forgiven by a lot of people. I could never take him seriously after that. Even if they'd had chemistry, I could never have rooted for him with Sami. Because of the rape.

Jack was an entirely different story. They joked about the EJ/Sami rape. After some time, they had them talk about it like it was nothing. Jack, at least, was highly affected by what he did, even as time passed. Didn't forgive himself, and didn't belittle it. Jack hated himself, EJ didn't acknowledge it. That doesn't make either man right, but there's a difference.
Oh the crazed EJami fans forgave him. I never did. some fans tried to justify by saying "Oh Sami raped Austin too" :rolleyes: Don't get me started.

One of the reasons I could never get into Luke and Laura.

I agree about everything you said about Jack.
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 04:04 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 04:03 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 03:59 PM

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no it's worse... Ambiguous is more entertaining.

This is a young guy raping his young friend that considers him like a brother to her, after being talked to by a psychopath that is being framed for his father's death by the woman that killed him...

I'll take ambiguous anytime...any day. And it maybe a common soap story, hell, it's a common life story... 1 out of 5...but it's still not entertaining.
Eh. It's not the act that's supposed to be entertaining. That'd be ridiculous. It's the fallout. Hopefully, they'll come through on that.
She could shoot him in the balls like Sami did Allen or is it Allan? Nah, unless they kill him, they'll right is as he's ok and she's tormented, second thousandth verse, same as the first.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:07 PM
One of the reasons I could never get into Luke and Laura.

I agree about everything you said about Jack.
It was one of the many reasons I never understood Luke and Laura.
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crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 04:03 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:59 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 03:57 PM

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It's a soap storyline. And it may be two in a month, but it's also two different writers in a month. At least this one isn't ambiguous. :shrug:
no it's worse... Ambiguous is more entertaining.

This is a young guy raping his young friend that considers him like a brother to her, after being talked to by a psychopath that is being framed for his father's death by the woman that killed him...

I'll take ambiguous anytime...any day. And it maybe a common soap story, hell, it's a common life story... 1 out of 5...but it's still not entertaining.
Ambiguous is frustrating because it's often misleading and ignorant.

There's nothing ignorant about this (not yet). As repulsive, disturbing and saddening as it is, teen boys rape teen girls who are their close friends due to the influence of negative male role models on a daily basis.
Edited by CrayCray, Feb 17 2016, 04:10 PM.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:06 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 03:57 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
it's a stupid s/l a sad s/l a sadistic s/l...and two in a month...I agree "what's wrong with these writers?"
Overall, I think it's just poorly timed. And quite honestly, I'm not sure if it would have been any better if Dena hadn't screwed things up for a while. If Josh was in full control the last three months, we probably would have gotten fallout from the fall's depressing story lines only to be launched into this one.

That said, a lot of soaps struggle with balancing happy/lighter and depressing stories. I remember when Bianca was raped on AMC, the show was just coming off a story of an infant dying from a heart defect. The story following Bianca's rape also became depressing because her baby (resulting from the rape) was switched at birth and thought to be dead for, like, a year. AMC really was a tough slog for those few years, and I don't think the show ever fully recovered from it.
if they could have stretched it apart of made him seem evil or obsessed over time...nah, :flipoff: still don't give a damn when it comes to rape story lines..
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You know, if Belle is going to spend all this money, maybe she should be a house.
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http://www.network54.com/Forum/358635/

Director: Noel Maxam
Scriptwriter: Melissa Salmons



Segment 1 Steve is zipping up Kayla's dress as they come into the living room. I'm so glad you can go into work late today. Kayla - Careful, I might get spoiled with all this attention. Steve - I'm not going to take anything for granted now after what just happened. Kayla - I keep thinking about what you told me; that you don't think Ava's ever going to leave us alone. Steve - Sweetness, look at me, she's gone. It's over. Kayla - What happened when I was gone?

Ciara and Theo are walking through the square. Hope calls and asks if she's heard from Chase. Ciara - Not yet. Did you talk to the police? Hope - I'm at the station now. Uncle Roman has the patrols looking for him. Where are you? Ciara - I'm at the square with Theo. Hope - With the guard? Ciara - Constantly. Mom I'm fine, don't worry about me. You have to find Chase.

Chase is still eating. Andre asks if he wants more. Chase - No, thank you. Andre - I'm glad I could do it. I'm just sorry things got so complicated with Hope and Ciara. It's just so nice to feel at home. Chase - I never really did. I just moved in after my father ... I wasn't ever really a part of their family. Andre - That's a terrible feeling. I remember how sometimes my father didn't appreciate me. Chase - My father ... Andre - You don't like to talk about him. Chase - No I don't like thinking about him. Andre - Why not? Chase - You read the papers. You know what he did. Andre - I've seen worse. Doesn't mean that part is in you. Chase - What part? Andre - The darkness in your father, that's the thing you fear most, isn't it. Chase nods yes.

Rafe - Can you confirm this is Andre DiMera's luggage. Chad - Yeah. Rafe - Do you see this? This was Bo Brady's gun. It was stolen from Hope Brady's house. The uniform returns. There's some bloody bandages in the trash upstairs. Chad - It's from Andre. He was hurt in some explosion. Rafe - Bag everything starting with this and anything in the bathroom upstairs that shows signs of blood. Chad - Is this still about the break-in at Hope Brady's house? Rafe - I don't know Chad. Your father seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. I have so many questions right now. Chad - You think Andre had something to do with Stefano's disappearance.

Hope is with Shawn in the detectives room. You called the security firm, right? Shawn - Yes, we're being careful. So what brings you to the station? Hope - Chase, he's missing. He took off last night. We have uniforms out looking for him. I filed a missing persons report and a theft report and a fire report. Shawn - Wow, geez. Who do you think did this? Hope - Rafe thinks it was Andre. He's gone to rattle his cage. Shawn - Andre DiMera. Do you think he's going to back down. No way. Hope - I've been meaning to give this to you. Welcome to the Salem PD. Shawn - Dad's? Hope - St Jude. Your Dad wore this everyday. He claimed it didn't just protect him but helped him solve cases. Shawn - This is ... Hope - He'd be so proud of you Shawn. I'm so proud of you honey. Shawn Douglas, there's no crying in the squad room. Shawn - You are as tough as they say you are. Hope - Who says that? Shawn - If I could only be half the cop Dad was or you. Hope - You're going to be better. Shawn - I've heard stories around the station already, not just about Dad, about you. You're kind of a legend Mom. Hope - Not true. Shawn - Deal with it. You're a good cop. You've got killer instincts, pure guts, you do everything by the book. Everyone here wishes you'd come back.

Chad - Andre says Hope killed our father and you covered it up now you're saying it's him. Rafe - I'm not saying anything. I'm just collecting evidence. Chad - Of what? A murder? That's your theory. Andre is nuts. Rafe - Do you know his whole history? Chad - I know enough. Yes he can be extreme but it's out of loyalty to Stefano. Rafe - What else did he tell you about Hope murdering Stefano. Is there any kind of evidence I should know about? Chad points to the figurine - On the back. Rafe - ? must have gotten a little sloppy with his job. That looks like blood. Any idea how it got there. Chad - Andre had it tested. He says it's Stefano's blood. Rafe - Must be a lucky guess. Chad - Proof he says that Hope killed our father. Rafe - Proof! How's that proof? Chad - He was just sure. That's it, that's all of it. Rafe - Sure that your father's dead. Interesting. How can he be so sure?


Segment 2 Claire comes home to J&M's townhouse. Belle - Dump the books and go pack. Claire - What's going on? Belle - We're going on a trip. Claire - For? Belle - For fun, mother daughter bonding. Let's go. Claire - Where? Belle - I don't know. Paris, London, they have really good fashion there. Tokyo or all three. Claire - You're seriously loony. Belle - Is that any way to ? a fully paid shopping spree. Don't you want to spend time with me? Claire - It's not that. I have school. Also this trip would cost a fortune. How could you even afford it?

Ciara - Sorry my Mom's kind of smothering me right now. Theo - It's kind of nice. She's looking out for you. Ciara - Yeah, kind of annoying but lately with everything that's happened it does feel kind of nice. Don't tell her. Theo - I wouldn't. I know how to keep my mouth shut. Ciara - Yeah you do. I would have never guessed. Theo - What? Ciara - What you said about how you feel. Theo - Yeah look it's not a big deal okay. Ciara - Okay. Theo we've been best friends forever and I don't want that to change. Theo - Then it won't.

Andre - You can't fear that darkness in yourself. Chase - You wanna bet. Andre - Then it's going to consume you but I have a better way. Chase - What? Andre - You befriend every ugly impulse and then you control it and then take all that energy and put it into a worthy goal. Chase - Like what? Andre - Love of course. It's the thing you miss most in this world. You want a family. You want to feel loved. Chase - That will never happen. Andre - It already has, Ciara Brady. Chase - She doesn't ... I would give anything. Andre - Than that would be a worthy goal and you can attain it. Chase - Ciara hates me. Andre - Nonsense. I saw the way she was looking at you at that Bicentennial party. You can win Ciara. Chase - I thought that if I was a nice guy, hung in there, eventually she would ... but I blew it. Andre - That's because you're in fear of your impulses then you suppress them and then you went and did something even worse, yes? Chase - Yeah you get it. Andre - From the corner of my soul. That energy, that power you have Chase, that is what a woman like Ciara wants. Chase - No she likes nice guys. Andre - It's not about nice no matter what they say. Chase - So I should be a jerk? Andre - No you've got to be a strong man, that's what a woman wants. She wants to know that you will fight for her and that you would do anything to be with her. Chase - I have to go. He leaves. Andre smiles - Ah youth.

Steve answers the door. It's Roman. Kayla I got your message. You want me to arrest Ava. Kayla - Yes I do. Roman - I would love to. I need charges for that. Kayla - How about kidnapping. Steve - Ava took Kayla prisoner. She locked her up until I agreed to help her find our child. Roman - You and Ava have a child? Steve - Well that's what she says. I don't know if it was mine but she did have a baby her father gave away. Ava held on to Kayla to make sure that I would go with her to get the kid. Roman - I knew that woman was still trouble. Kayla - So did I. Steve - I was the idiot who believed her line about being sick. Roman - So we've got some kind of fraud on top of kidnapping. We'll get creative. Where is she? Steve - I left her in Jakarta when I found out Kayla was safe. Roman - I don't know that I could get extradition. Steve - I don't know if you have to man. She said she wasn't going to bother us anymore. Kayla - I don't believe that and neither do you. Roman - I'll flag her at the airport. Let's just hope she's smart enough to stay away now that her plan blew up.

Ava comes into her room. She tears up a brochure about Salem.


Segment 3 Belle - I've managed my money very well thank you. The practice is going well and I have savings. Claire - I heard you and Dad fight about money all the time. Belle - That's over now. Everything is fine. Claire - Are you borrowing from Grandma? Belle - No I don't need to. Claire - OMG, it's Philip. You're taking money from Philip. Belle - I would never ... Claire - It's the only place you can be getting it. Belle - I just told you I ... Claire - You show up here with expensive jewelry. I heard you talking to the car dealer on Grant St. ... Belle - You're eavesdropping now. Claire - A sports car, a convertible in February! Belle - Excuse me ... language. Claire - Yeah 'cause that's the real problem here right. You whore yourself out to Philip ... Belle raises her hand to slap her ... Claire taunts - Go ahead.

Kayla closes the door. Steve, what is it? Steve - What? Why do you keep looking at me like that? Kayla - It's just the feeling I'm getting ... something in this room. Steve - What's in this room? We're here. You and me, that's it. Joey comes in. Kayla hugs him - Joey how was school? Joe - Fine. Kayla - How was the bio lab. Did you ace it. Joe - I did. He heads to his room. Kayla - I wasn't finished talking to you. Steve - Joe don't walk away from your Mom when she's talking to you. Joe - You have a problem with the way I treat Mom ... seriously. You have a problem with it! Steve - Where are you going? Joe - Anywhere but here. I can't breathe in this room. Kayla - What was that? Steve - He's a teenager. He's probably ticked off about something. Kayla - No. Stop it. This is the line. Something happened between you and Joey when I was gone and I want to know what it is right now.

Ciara - So how long have you known your Uncle Andre? Theo - It's kind of new. What? Ciara - He's kind of creepy. Theo - I agree. Ciara - He comes by it honestly with Stefano for a dad but I'm glad he's gone at least. I'm sorry I know you miss him. Theo - I get it. Everyone hates Nano but he was always good to me. When I was little he would read to me. Ciara - With funny voices? Theo - He taught me how to play chess and now he's gone. Ciara - He didn't tell you anything before he left? Text, email. Theo - Nothing. Ciara - That sucks. I'm sure he'll get in touch with you though. Theo - He's the only one besides my Dad who remembers my Mom the way I do. I just don't want to forget her. Ciara - You won't. You'll never forget her like I'll never forget my Dad.

A uniformed cop stops Chase in the square. Hold it right there.

Rafe (back in the detective's room) tells the cop to give those to Shawn. Full paperwork. I don't want any chain of custody issues. Roman comes in - Looks like you found something. How is Andre? Rafe - Absent. Luckily his bags were still there. He had Bo's gun. Hope - What! Shawn - So he's the one who broke in to Mom's house. Roman - Where did these bloody bandages come from? Rafe - From his bathroom. Remember I told you someone did a number on his face. Check that statue, there's blood on that. I would see if it matches Stefano's DNA. Roman - You think? Rafe - It's the only thing that makes sense. I think Andre may have killed Stefano.


Segment 4 Belle - I would never hit you but what you're saying Claire is horrible and it's wrong. I would never take money from Philip. Claire - Okay then how do you have so much money all of a sudden. Claire turns away ... Belle - Your aunt Sami gave it to me. Claire - Aunt Sami has that kind of ... OMG. That's the money Sami stole from the DiMera's, isn't it? Belle - How do you know about that? Claire - I heard you and Grandma talking about it. Aunt Sami got some passwords from EJ and took all of Stefano's money. Belle - So eavesdropping is your new hobby. Claire - And Grandma doesn't know that you have the money, does she. Belle - I don't have that money. Your Aunt Sami gave me a loan from her own money to help me start my business. Claire - Oh so it was enough to start your business, buy diamonds and sports cars and take me on a trip. Bull! Belle - It's just a big misunderstanding. Claire - No and if the DiMera's find out you have their money they'll kill you, that's what they do. Belle - Claire listen to me, I don't have the DiMera money. Claire - I don't even recognise you anymore. When do you become such a good liar.

Cop - You've got a lot of people looking for you. Chase - Well they shouldn't be, I'm fine. Cop - Okay but you need to come with me. Ciara - Chase, where have you been? Chase - What do you care? Ciara - Look I was mad when I said that and scared. I didn't mean any of it. Look, just come back home. Grandma's worried about you, Mom sent out the troops. Chase - Yeah, we met. Ciara - Please come back. Chase - Is that what you want? Ciara - Yes, let's go back to Jennifer's. Tell my Mom we're okay. We're going back to the Horton house. Cop - I'm going to escort ... Ciara - No you don't need ... okay fine. She tells Theo she'll call him later.

Andre opens his hotel room door to Chad. How lovely of you to stop by. Would you like me to give you a private tour of the grounds, the ice machine, the fitness center. Chad - No thanks I lived here. Andre - I suppose you're lovely fiancée is redecorating our family home. Please tell me she hasn't brought the Horton family ? collection with her. Chad - So I'm cleaning up the house and who shows up at my door but Rafe Hernandez with a warrant asking a lot of questions about the burglary at Hope Brady's house. Andre - I trust you had an alibi. Chad - Enough Andre. They found Bo Brady's gun in your luggage. Andre - That's impossible. Chad - I saw them find it and Andre they claim that you killed our father. Andre scoffs - That's unbelievable, almost laughable. Chad - He was dead serious. Andre - I'm quite sure he was. I'm sure he was playing his part to the hilt. Do they really think they're going to get away with this. Chad - Who's they? Andre - The murderous harpy and her lovelorn poodle ... Hope Brady and Hernandez. This is all they're doing. Can't you see they're turning it all around back on me. Chad - Is it true? Did you kill our father?

Roman - Rafe, let me ask you this. Why do you think Andre killed Stefano. Rafe - It's the only thing that makes sense. We all heard that the DiMera's hit some sort of a cash crunch, right. They were laying people off, not paying some, stuff like that so I figured I'd get in touch with John, see if he knew anything. Roman - And? Rafe - And sure enough all of Stefano's bank accounts ... drained. Roman - That's got to be ? ? Rafe - No the call came from inside the mansion. Roman - Really? Rafe - Yeah, I tracked it. The computer that transferred funds out came from inside the mansion. Roman - So Stefano emptied the accounts and he's playing dead. Rafe - Or someone else took the money. Roman - Andre. Rafe - Stefano finds out, he goes ballistic, Andre kills him, frames Hope for it. Roman - Rafe that's a stretch. Rafe - Okay than why did Andre break into her house, vandalise it, set a fire, bug it ... why did he take Bo's gun. Why did he do that? Roman - Why Hope? Hope - Why not me? It makes perfect sense. The DiMera's have been after the Brady's for years. Roman - Yeah but that was more Stefano. Hope - But like Rafe just said those calls came from inside the house so maybe it was Andre. A cop sticks his head in - Commissioner, they're bringing in the perps on the west side arson. Roman - I've got to go. I'll be back. He leaves. Hope - He's asking a lot of questions. Rafe - Of course he is. He's a good cop. Hope - Think he bought it? Rafe - I don't know.


Segment 5 Shawn sees Roman in the squad room. Blood on the statue matches Stefano's. Do you want me to run a full DNA? Roman - Maybe but for now keep those samples in a safe place. Claire comes in. Thank God you're here. Mom's in trouble. Shawn - How? Claire - First you have to promise me that you'll keep this secret. Shawn - Claire, tell me. Claire - No, promise. Shawn - Fine, I promise. What's the problem? Claire - Mom got some money from Aunt Sami, a lot of money and I think it was stolen from the DiMera's.

Steve tells Kayla to sit down. Yeah you're right, something did happen in this room. After Ava locked you up she proposed a trade. She wanted me to have sex with her in exchange for letting you go. Kayla - My God! She's completely insane. Steve - Yeah. Kayla - She's not even original. That's exactly what she tried before and it didn't work. Why did she think it would work now! Steve - Who knows but she went for it. Kayla - Right here, in this room? Steve - Yeah but it didn't go anywhere. It didn't go all the way obviously. Joe walked in on us. He drew his own conclusions. But there's more. I think that Joe thinks that he fell in love with Ava. Kayla - What! If she laid one hand on him ... Steve - No ... Kayla - I swear I will rip her limb from limb. Steve - I don't think she crossed the line. I thing she went right up to it, maybe pulled him over and now he's upset about that too. I think Joe will be fine, he just needs some time. Kayla - Frankly I'm kind of relieved. I knew something happened and it was bad but it's not as bad as I feared. Hug.

Andre - That question is beneath even you. Chad - Like you're not capable! I've seen your Wikipedia page brother, I know that you could. Andre - Can't you see what they're doing! They're taking all the evidence that I collected, everything that points to the truth, that makes them the guilty parties and now they're turning it back on me. I didn't see this coming. This is an incredible plot. Chad - A plot! Hope Brady is plotting against you! Andre - Obviously you've not read her Wikipedia page. Chad - I can't see two detectives offing Stefano and then what, planting the evidence against you! No my money is on the guy who brainwashed me. Andre - You're never going to let that go. Chad - No. Andre - Okay that's fine. Then if I did that because I wanted to help the family than why would I then turn around and kill my Father. Chad - Maybe he turned on you first. Andre - But there was no reason too. Chad - Yeah? Maybe he found out you tried to get those passcodes from Sami to use for yourself. Andre - But that's not what happened. Don't you see Chad this is a setup. They're trying to pin this crime on me. Chad - So I believe two respected detectives or the guy who tried to ruin my life. Now that's a conundrum. Andre - Don't worry about me but if you allow yourself to get sucked in by Hope and Rafe's lies that means that our father won't get justice. He was murdered by Hope and we can not let her get away with it.

Rafe - This can cut either way. Either Andre looks guilty or you do. Hope - That's why it works. We knew it was going to be a risk, a risk I wanted to take. Roman comes in. The blood on the statue is a match for Stefano. Rafe - There you go. Roman - I'm not going anywhere and neither are you as much as I'd love to nail the S.O.B. Rafe - You can. Andre killed his father. Roman - Find his body than otherwise he's going to say he's hiding out in Europe. There's no way to prove that wrong. Hope - Bring Andre in. Sweat him. He'll give up the body. Roman - Worth a try. Do we know where to find Andre? Rafe - Chad says he's staying at the Salem Inn. Roman - Alright, bring him in.


Segment 6 Joe and Theo are sitting on a bench in the square. Joe - Man you look how I feel. Theo - What happened? Joe - My Dad's being a jerk. Theo - Why, what did he do? Joe - He just proved who he really was yet again. What's your deal? Theo - I told Ciara that I'm in to her. Joe - I called it. What did she say? Theo - She said that I'm a great guy but ... Joe - Damn. Theo - Yeah, we're friends and all but then Chase shows up and she forgets that I'm even here. Joe - He's her stepbrother. Theo - That doesn't stop him. Joe - Seriously! Man, that's messed up. Theo - Hey Chase doesn't care. He does whatever he wants.

Ciara and Chase return to the Horton house. They ascertain no one is home. Ciara - Where did you spend the night last night? Chase - I found a spot. Ciara - I'm sorry for accusing you of starting the fire. Chase - It sounded like me, like father, like son. Ciara - I don't think that. Chase - Why not? Ciara - You're not your Dad. Chase - No I'm not and I'm never going to be. It's not me. Ciara - I know. I won't be so stupid again. Chase - Don't say that, you're not. Ciara I love you. I love everything about you. You get me. Ciara - Yeah but not like that. You're like my brother. Chase - ? not the feeling for either of us and you know it. Admit it. He leans in. Ciara - What are you doing? Chase - What you want. What we both want. He kisses her.

Andre - I saw where they buried our father's body. No, not buried. They dumped him like a piece of garbage in an abandoned warehouse. I tried to take you there. Why would I have done that if I had killed our father. Chad - I don't know. Maybe you're the one using jujitsu. Trying to cover up the crime by taking me to it and pointing your finger somewhere else. Andre - You really don't know me, do you? Chad - Oh I get you. Andre - I'm your brother Chad. Now that father's gone I'm all the family you have left. Chad - Do not try that. I've cut the cord Andre. You and I are not family. Andre - Than why did you come here. Why did you come to warn me at all? Chad - Because I had to see for myself. You are telling the truth about Stefano, aren't you? Our father is dead. Andre - Yes. Chad opens the door to leave. Rafe and some cops are there. Rafe - That was fast. Andre DiMera, I need you to come down to the station and answer some questions for me.


Segment 7 Shawn is at John's townhouse. Belle - I knew it. Claire ran out of here and went straight to you. Shawn - Of course she did. She's scared that her mother's lost her mind. So what's the deal Belle, you took money from Sami? Belle - Yes I did but it's not ... Shawn - DiMera money. That's what Claire told me. Belle - Well she's wrong. There's nothing nefarious going on here. Shawn - Fine so why didn't you tell me about it when I asked you about the jewelry you bought. You're hiding something Belle, what is it?

Kayla kisses Steve. Thank you for telling me. We're going to talk to Joey and make him understand that she's crazy. Steve - I hope he can hear it. Kayla - I can't believe we ? this nightmare back into our lives. Steve - It's on me. You paid the price. Kayla - I'm okay. Steve - Never again. Never again. He holds her. It's over.

Ava picks up her phone and watches the video she made of her raping Steve. Cue flashback of the event.

Chad is in the library looking around. He picks up a picture of Stefano and looks at it.

Andre walks into the squad room with Rafe and sees Hope and Roman. Well, well, this is quite the party. Roman - Thank you for coming in voluntarily. Andre - With two armed men at the door it hardly felt optional. I didn't have time to change but what does one wear to an ambush. Roman - We just have a few questions about a break-in at Hope's house and your father's disappearance and Andre all we want is the truth. Andre - Oh so do I.

Ciara pulls back - Chase, stop. We shouldn't. Chase - Yes we should. Just let it happen. Ciara - No, I don't want to talk about this. Chase - We have to. I'm not going to lose you. I can't. Ciara - You're not going to lose me but this ... I'm not ready. Chase - Yes you are. You are and you know that. He kisses her again. Ciara jumps up - Chase stop. I want you to stop. Chase grabs her - No you don't. He pushes her on to the couch and covers her mouth when she tries to say no. This is what we both want. I love you. The camera goes black ... Ciara - Please stop.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:06 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 03:57 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
it's a stupid s/l a sad s/l a sadistic s/l...and two in a month...I agree "what's wrong with these writers?"
Overall, I think it's just poorly timed. And quite honestly, I'm not sure if it would have been any better if Dena hadn't screwed things up for a while. If Josh was in full control the last three months, we probably would have gotten fallout from the fall's depressing story lines only to be launched into this one.

That said, a lot of soaps struggle with balancing happy/lighter and depressing stories. I remember when Bianca was raped on AMC, the show was just coming off a story of an infant dying from a heart defect. The story following Bianca's rape also became depressing because her baby (resulting from the rape) was switched at birth and thought to be dead for, like, a year. AMC really was a tough slog for those few years, and I don't think the show ever fully recovered from it.
I agree about the timing. And there could be plenty to hate about this in the coming months. But I think a lot of conclusions are being jumped to that aren't supported by anything that's happened.
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
I think the "what's wrong with these writers comments" are justified because:
- Ciara is under 18, she's also a virgin.
- Chase is under 18 and is also a virgin.
- Chase and Ciara were cute little kids not so long ago.
- They were also raised together and Hope considers both of them as her kids.
- It's happening in Tom and Alice's living room, the oldest set of the show, where the Christmas celebration is held every year.

It doesn't feel like a common soap story because of all these layers added.
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When John Aniston gets his name pronouncing tutorial, Thaao should join him.
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Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 04:12 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
I think the "what's wrong with these writers comments" are justified because:
- Ciara is under 18, she's also a virgin.
- Chase is under 18 and is also a virgin.
- Chase and Ciara were cute little kids not so long ago.
- They were also raised together and Hope considers both of them as her kids.
- It's happening in Tom and Alice's living room, the oldest set of the show, where the Christmas celebration is held every year.

It doesn't feel like a common soap story because of all these layers added.
Funny. Those are exactly what I think makes it common.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:09 PM
crookedhalo
Feb 17 2016, 04:03 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:59 PM

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no it's worse... Ambiguous is more entertaining.

This is a young guy raping his young friend that considers him like a brother to her, after being talked to by a psychopath that is being framed for his father's death by the woman that killed him...

I'll take ambiguous anytime...any day. And it maybe a common soap story, hell, it's a common life story... 1 out of 5...but it's still not entertaining.
Ambiguous is frustrating because it's often misleading and ignorant.

There's nothing ignorant about this (not yet). As repulsive, disturbing and saddening as it is, teen boys rape teen girls who are their close friends due to the influence of negative male role models on a daily basis.
I agree it's ignorant..."guys can't be raped" "people don't get turned on during a rape" "having orgasms is impossible if you are being raped" "guys can't be raped" "if your manipulated into agreeing to have sex with someone you haven't been raped" "guys can't be raped"

Sorry have to repeat the dumbest one of them all.

Still not entertainment...Seems like the writers writing any dumb shit they can think of... all piled on top the steaming Cow Dun of Rope...and the heart to heart story line...it's been a hell of a sweep story line.
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Steve: That's what she says...

LOL.
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