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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
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Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,108 Views)
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Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
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- Feb 17 2016, 03:47 PM
Around the time the Cosgrove stuff leaked, wasn't it said that he said that Chase would stay "for while" after he left? He's recurring. That seems to indicate that he was likely never seen as something long-term. Then again, with Dena more in control, she seems to take Chase away from being troubled/dark and more toward just being misunderstood/quietly crushing on Ciara. She was also building something with Chase and Claire. I get the feeling Dena wanted more for Chase and Griffith wanted to take him this far in the aftermath of the Aiden stuff.
Therein lies the problem, though. Days is really messed up right now because the past 3 months have completely derailed what appeared to be the long-term vision for the show. Griffith is clearly more and more in control now and trying to steer things back toward the original plans while also taking into account some of what has happened and it isn't easy and you could tell today that he expedited the buildup to the rape with the Andre stuff. The foundation was always there for Chase to do something horrible but we just haven't seen that buildup because of Dena. If we had, I don't think we would see Andre involved with Chase and pushing him this way. Andre was basically used to quicken the buildup to get the story to where it was planned to go. The scenes were twisted and even though I am open to this story and have faith with Josh and Beth they can do this story and any story justice, Days is going to REALLY start a huge uproar over this and they really need to come out and address this story somehow in the press and handle the subject matter with care. On the heels of everything that has happened, this is really poorly timed and I don't blame Griffith for that but the show does need to address this publicly and reassure viewers ASAP.
I have thought the entire week has been an improvement. Griffith's influence is becoming more and more prevalent. The ominous feel is back and characters aren't as isolated. We even got a Hope/Shawn scene finally and Bo's death is actually having some beats played again! Some things could use more buildup, like the rape, but that blame lies on Dena Higley and whoever decided to let her take control of this show. If Griffith was allowed to continue leading the stories, we would've gotten fallout from the Fall stories and so much of the past few months would've been better executed and we would've gotten proper buildup to alot of this. I guess I just really do prefer Higley to Griffith. I don't think she writes good stories because I watched OLTL and I'm pretty sure she was responsible for Nash's corpse and the Jessica regresses to being a teenage story and that sucked. But when she was in control the characters I care about, Eric and Nicole got attention. Once Griffith was back in charge they were pushed back to the back burner. The idea that she tried to salvage Chase also adds to the idea that I would prefer her writing. I detest Griffith and everything he's done to characters I genuinely cared about. I'm not the only one so I assume it is just people that are pro-Griffith that post. I wish more posters that feel like me would put their thoughts out there.
I concede that visually the show was more appealing and the longer scenes for certain characters was well done, but overall I don't like the direction he's taken the show. And it isn't even JUST my Ericole bias either. There are several directions the show has gone in that I genuinely don't like. I like drama; I don't like what DAYS is putting out and has been since Griffith and Higley took over.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
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I'm going to comment on the rest of today later but I am pretty surprised we had another round of Steve having the opportunity to tell Kayla and deciding not to. At this point Josh had the leeway to tweak this so Steve didn't lie repeatedly. And I don't think they're playing the he's ashamed it was rape angle either. He's just not telling her. I really thought Josh was a Steve and Kayla fan but I kind of feel he's more a Kayla fan. Steve hasn't looked great from start to finish in this story while Kayla's instincts were right all along.
I'm wondering if we see single Kayla at some point after this. They seem to deliberately be leaving it in a way where Steve wasn't truthful. They could have told the Ava exit story we think is coming without the S&K trust issues involved. See, I disagree about Steve lying repeatedly. This is only the second episode where he's been home and both times he told part of the truth. I'm not saying he's not lying, but there's a difference in this from anything I've been through with Steve. He's not making up a story or excuses not to talk to her. He's not distracting her. He's very present and, however, reluctantly, as honest as he has to be in that moment. That's not typical Steve behavior and, thankfully, it's not been drug out.
I think they deliberately did it this way to show that Steve is trying to be honest, even if he can't bring himself to tell the full truth. I also think he is absolutely playing shame and regret. Maybe not specifically about "rape" but about what happened and what he let Ava do. It's been there every time he talked about making bad decisions, wanting to go back and do things differently, etc.
I agree that Steve hasn't looked great in this story, but I don't think that means the writer doesn't like him. I think it means that his bad decisions are driving the story (as has ever been the case). As far as the trust issues go, that IS the story. It's the one that didn't get told in order to push them together for the Ava story. I think the trust issues absolutely have to be involved for this story to have any meaning beyond shock value.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
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Touching moment when Hope gave Bo's St. Jude to Shawn.
Ava did alot of editing to get that end video.
Lol at Andre's sorry I didn't change, what does one wear to an ambush.
Rafe is pushing too hard, to put the pieces together for Roman.
Edited by samixxx, Feb 17 2016, 04:43 PM.
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lysie
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Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
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There's too much going on today. I keep forgetting S&K are on.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:39 PM
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- Feb 17 2016, 03:34 PM
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I agree. He didn't look the least bit disoriented. That was a huge exaggerated opinion by one person on Twitter doing a pbp. Maybe they really like Chase and are hoping for that. Idk. And again, daysfan2009, no one is saying it's not a "possibility". And of course, maybe we will see a "reveal" later on. Just that as of today and what we've seen, there was no drugging or brainwashing. Honestly, he looked like he was fine and in control of his choice. And IMO it would still be rape no matter what "out" they tried to give. I also think if they wanted him to have a so called "ou"t, they would've shown us the drugging today, not in a few months. But we will just have to see how it plays out
Yes, we will see how it plays out. if I had a dollar for every Days story that had pertinent details happen off screen or implied, & become relevant later I would be very wealthy, & much of what transpired today is open to interpretation. And you certainly don't have to make a point if addressing me in your post to get that point across. It's clear from twitter that there were many interpretations of what happened today. I certainly don't think this should be assumed to be an exit story for Chase because there is no redemption for him. I guess if he is too be locked up & labeled ruined he better save a spot in the cell in case Jack or EJ come back from the dead..... right? There are lots of different ways this can play out, & given the fact that Aiden is returning (quite possibly with a redemption story since it appears DC is still filming & therefore will be airing for months) anything is possible for Chase as well. I quoted a post that had restless at the bottom and yours at the top. Half my response was for restless and the other half for you, hence why I addressed you in the part that was meant for you not for Restless. :shrug:
I never said this was an exit story for Chase. The only point Im trying to make is so far, today, we are to believe Chase was not drugged or brainwashed. Thats it. In 4 months they want to show us a flashback that shows he was drugged, ok, but right now nothing points that way and we are supposed to believe Chase was of clear mind.
Andre couldve been feeding Chase food to try to gain his trust and rapport. To get Chase to feel like someone cares for him so Andre could get close to him. I honestly never really thought much about the food thing. Its not like they zoomed in on it with some creepy music to show us the food is somehow bad (?) Plus didnt I read somewhere that even Andre will be surprised at what Chase does?
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Feb 17 2016, 04:40 PM
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- Feb 17 2016, 04:27 PM
I'm going to comment on the rest of today later but I am pretty surprised we had another round of Steve having the opportunity to tell Kayla and deciding not to. At this point Josh had the leeway to tweak this so Steve didn't lie repeatedly. And I don't think they're playing the he's ashamed it was rape angle either. He's just not telling her. I really thought Josh was a Steve and Kayla fan but I kind of feel he's more a Kayla fan. Steve hasn't looked great from start to finish in this story while Kayla's instincts were right all along.
I'm wondering if we see single Kayla at some point after this. They seem to deliberately be leaving it in a way where Steve wasn't truthful. They could have told the Ava exit story we think is coming without the S&K trust issues involved.
See, I disagree about Steve lying repeatedly. This is only the second episode where he's been home and both times he told part of the truth. I'm not saying he's not lying, but there's a difference in this from anything I've been through with Steve. He's not making up a story or excuses not to talk to her. He's not distracting her. He's very present and, however, reluctantly, as honest as he has to be in that moment. That's not typical Steve behavior and, thankfully, it's not been drug out. I think they deliberately did it this way to show that Steve is trying to be honest, even if he can't bring himself to tell the full truth. I also think he is absolutely playing shame and regret. Maybe not specifically about "rape" but about what happened and what he let Ava do. It's been there every time he talked about making bad decisions, wanting to go back and do things differently, etc. I agree that Steve hasn't looked great in this story, but I don't think that means the writer doesn't like him. I think it means that his bad decisions are driving the story (as has ever been the case). As far as the trust issues go, that IS the story. It's the one that didn't get told in order to push them together for the Ava story. I think the trust issues absolutely have to be involved for this story to have any meaning beyond shock value. You're right about his bad decisions driving the story. Maybe that's the part I don't like lol
I do hope they get to explore all those issues after the fact though. Hopefully they will.
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lysie
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Feb 17 2016, 04:40 PM
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LOL about Andre's Wikipedia page. I do wish Chad would have been more specific though.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:40 PM
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I'm going to comment on the rest of today later but I am pretty surprised we had another round of Steve having the opportunity to tell Kayla and deciding not to. At this point Josh had the leeway to tweak this so Steve didn't lie repeatedly. And I don't think they're playing the he's ashamed it was rape angle either. He's just not telling her. I really thought Josh was a Steve and Kayla fan but I kind of feel he's more a Kayla fan. Steve hasn't looked great from start to finish in this story while Kayla's instincts were right all along.
I'm wondering if we see single Kayla at some point after this. They seem to deliberately be leaving it in a way where Steve wasn't truthful. They could have told the Ava exit story we think is coming without the S&K trust issues involved.
I think it was written this way to make the reveal more dramatic with the video. :shrug: I have a feeling that the murder of Ava will push them back together, no matter who commits it.
Oh for sure with the reveal but the timing sucks for that too. Barely a week from when Kayla asked Steve about to the reveal. I just don't love the Steve part of this. One of the things I loved so much in the fall was how they were rebuilding based on honesty. Yeah, I don't like it either, but that's just how I see it happening.
I remember the wardrobe girl tweeting something about S/K filming adorable stuff or something that's supposed to air at the beginning of April. It's almost March. And with the Ava stuff going down at the end of next week, I don't see a lot of time for a long separation.
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lysie
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Feb 17 2016, 04:41 PM
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I need someone to point out to Andre that Stefano's victims haven't been getting justice either.
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lysie
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Feb 17 2016, 04:42 PM
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I cannot wait until they get GG and KA out of this story. It's not a good story anyway, and they're both terrible.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:43 PM
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Oh for sure with the reveal but the timing sucks for that too. Barely a week from when Kayla asked Steve about to the reveal. I just don't love the Steve part of this. One of the things I loved so much in the fall was how they were rebuilding based on honesty.
Yeah, I don't like it either, but that's just how I see it happening. I remember the wardrobe girl tweeting something about S/K filming adorable stuff or something that's supposed to air at the beginning of April. It's almost March. And with the Ava stuff going down at the end of next week, I don't see a lot of time for a long separation. Agreed. That may be when they really make up after this. It was October ish I think. Maybe Stvee gets involved going to get John (looks that way from pics) and the distance helps a bit like when he went for Bo
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Feb 17 2016, 04:43 PM
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i just wonder if Chad eventually believes Andre and that truth causes him to fully embrace his Dimera side. And that is what drives Abby away.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:46 PM
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Joey and Theo are pretty cute, too.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:47 PM
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I think it's interesting that Chase and Theo both have the same issue with Ciara's attention.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:50 PM
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BF plays the stuff about Stefano really well. Not just in this episode. There's pretty much always more in his eyes.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:52 PM
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Yeah, I don't like it either, but that's just how I see it happening. I remember the wardrobe girl tweeting something about S/K filming adorable stuff or something that's supposed to air at the beginning of April. It's almost March. And with the Ava stuff going down at the end of next week, I don't see a lot of time for a long separation.
Agreed. That may be when they really make up after this. It was October ish I think. Maybe Stvee gets involved going to get John (looks that way from pics) and the distance helps a bit like when he went for Bo Yep. It was this tweet from October 23rd. According to Jason's estimates, they were taping April 5-14 at that time.
[twitter=the_closetgirl/status/657669250077872128]
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Feb 17 2016, 04:55 PM
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That shot of Ava at the window looked just like Sarah Brown.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:57 PM
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I want him to be redeemed because I like the actor and I don't think this story should have happened. If he gets an appropriate punishment for the rape, good, but that's not getting murdered by Theo.
I've only seen the Theo stuff speculated on as a suggestion, is it a legit teaser/rumor with substance? Personally, I want him to go to jail. Dying/being killed is not a punishment. Ever.
If he was an adult, he should do jail time but he's a minor and I don't see a reason why he should be judged as an adult. I would like the writers to stop doing those extreme storylines because it sends the wrong message if the character doesn't get punished but at the same time, I hate when characters with potential are sacrified. A lot of soap characters deserve to go to jail but they don't. He's old enough to know that "No means NO". Being sixteen is not an excuse. :-/
I liked Chase, but if the writers want to redeem him, they have a lot of work to do.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:58 PM
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Oh man. The end was shot really well.
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If he was an adult, he should do jail time but he's a minor and I don't see a reason why he should be judged as an adult. I would like the writers to stop doing those extreme storylines because it sends the wrong message if the character doesn't get punished but at the same time, I hate when characters with potential are sacrified. A lot of soap characters deserve to go to jail but they don't.
He's old enough to know that "No means NO". Being sixteen is not an excuse. :-/ I liked Chase, but if the writers want to redeem him, they have a lot of work to do. This reminds me of when the argument that Sami kidnapped Belle because she was confused comes up.
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