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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,106 Views)
Hugo


I don't think soap viewers have to be fair to the characters. It's expected that for the same crime, they will judge a newbie harshly and give a veteran a pass. Whether the character is legacy or not, attractive or not, played by a popular actor or not, will also play a role. There's nothing wrong about being unfair to fictional people. I just hope that they are less biased when they judge people in real life.
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Feb 17 2016, 05:05 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 02:47 PM
Oh Claire!! "You whore yourself to Philip" and Belle almost slapping her... WOW Claire I love you and I'm 100% on your side but calm down a little. she's still your mother and you should still respect her if I don't.
yea, I thought she was a bit unhinged there. :o
me I wanted to change her name and say

https://youtu.be/k80nW6AOhTs?t=3
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Feb 17 2016, 05:24 PM
I ask myself often nowadays, "How did THIS show get renewed?" :shrug:
A combination of good/current ratings rising, good morale all around, willingness to be flexible AND being able to show a good prospect for stuff to come that the network liked?
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Feb 17 2016, 05:20 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 04:39 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 04:16 PM

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I quoted a post that had restless at the bottom and yours at the top. Half my response was for restless and the other half for you, hence why I addressed you in the part that was meant for you not for Restless. :shrug:

I never said this was an exit story for Chase. The only point Im trying to make is so far, today, we are to believe Chase was not drugged or brainwashed. Thats it. In 4 months they want to show us a flashback that shows he was drugged, ok, but right now nothing points that way and we are supposed to believe Chase was of clear mind.

Andre couldve been feeding Chase food to try to gain his trust and rapport. To get Chase to feel like someone cares for him so Andre could get close to him. I honestly never really thought much about the food thing. Its not like they zoomed in on it with some creepy music to show us the food is somehow bad (?) Plus didnt I read somewhere that even Andre will be surprised at what Chase does?
Thaao did make that comment on AfterBuzz, but the way he speaks in riddles who knows what it really meant. Maybe he is surprised at how successful his plan was? I think most if us can at least agree that no one knows for sure how this will turn out, especially with Aiden's return in the mix. At one point in Salem history it looked like Marlena was a serial killer, until the shocking truth was revealed. Assuming the worst, & a incredibly mixed up & traumatized Chase did do this.... Should he face consequences? Yes.....Do I feel horrible for Ciara? Yes.....Do I think it makes him completely unredeemable? No. Just because his last name is Jennings does not make a completely new set of rules apply to him. If he is unredeemable, then the same should apply to an alive Jack or EJ. If anything, Chase is an even more sympathetic character than those two. They didn't suffer unimaginable trauma & at the very least manipulation by a psychopath. Not necessarily on this board, but I see tons of people rooting for hero Theo to "kick Chase's ass" & even kill him. If Jack were to get a ninth life, should Steve kill him or kick his ass before he is sent off to a prison cell to rot? Steve & Kayla, and Jack & Jen seemed to move past things & exist as a family. I find the double standards incredibly frustrating. Many characters on the show have committed crimes worse than or equal too Aiden & Chase, it seems unfair that a different set of "rules" apply to them & they are labeled unredeemable. I am fairly certain that if DC's return is long term Aiden will be redeemed with an imposter story given the body double, etc., but I'm sure that won't be good enough.it seems that treading on sacred "Bope ground" creates a whole new set of rules for a character.
But Steve did kick Jack's ass (and threw him off a roof) and Kayla did press charges against Jack. It's not a double standard because Jack was not redeemable . . . until they decided to do the work to redeem him. And it took YEARS. It's not a different set of rules. It's people saying that right now, there is no evidence he was drugged or brainwashed and, therefore, no basis for finding what he did to be redeemable. I would have said the exact same thing after Jack raped Kayla.

And you might as well leave EJ out of it because that was a clusterfuck of epic proportions in a million different ways. In fact, if you like Chase at all, you would - I hope - not want this story to be anything like EJ.
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Rosebud
Feb 17 2016, 05:23 PM
PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 03:07 PM
I really hate Rafe right now. And Hope for going along with this. Yes Andre deserves it BIG TIME!! But they're supposed to be the "heroes" they're meant to be better than this.
I think it was all Hope's idea, and Rafe is the one going along with it. Not that it matters LOL
Thus, they should both go far far away. Equal responsibility after the fact ;) Or something.
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Thank you JCP.

They need to do PSA about teen rape and please no teen pregnancy, I hate those stories.

Ironically, girls, women all walking around Salem all hours of the day and night alone. Haven't they heard of the warnings to not be out alone, especially at night?

Having it happen in the supposed safety of house they were staying in makes it even worse and with someone she is trying to think of as her brother. Ciara will be kicking herself, because she has been sensing a dark side about Chase for some time now.
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crookedhalo


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Feb 17 2016, 05:30 PM
PALMommy
Feb 17 2016, 05:24 PM
I ask myself often nowadays, "How did THIS show get renewed?" :shrug:
A combination of good/current ratings rising, good morale all around, willingness to be flexible AND being able to show a good prospect for stuff to come that the network liked?
man from Today's show I was thinking a white witch and a hex bag.
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#SorryNotSorry

Lovejm
Feb 17 2016, 04:35 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 04:31 PM
Lovejm
Feb 17 2016, 04:27 PM
I'm going to comment on the rest of today later but I am pretty surprised we had another round of Steve having the opportunity to tell Kayla and deciding not to. At this point Josh had the leeway to tweak this so Steve didn't lie repeatedly. And I don't think they're playing the he's ashamed it was rape angle either. He's just not telling her. I really thought Josh was a Steve and Kayla fan but I kind of feel he's more a Kayla fan. Steve hasn't looked great from start to finish in this story while Kayla's instincts were right all along.

I'm wondering if we see single Kayla at some point after this. They seem to deliberately be leaving it in a way where Steve wasn't truthful. They could have told the Ava exit story we think is coming without the S&K trust issues involved.
I think it was written this way to make the reveal more dramatic with the video. :shrug: I have a feeling that the murder of Ava will push them back together, no matter who commits it.
Oh for sure with the reveal but the timing sucks for that too. Barely a week from when Kayla asked Steve about to the reveal.

I just don't love the Steve part of this. One of the things I loved so much in the fall was how they were rebuilding based on honesty.
Steve has kept lying or withholding about the little things all along, though. Even while he was straightforward about what was going on with Ava, they had him encouraging Joey to keep the motorcycle from Kayla, and talked about how there were things it was better she didn't know. They gave him another line to Joe, back in October, about it being better to ask for forgiveness than permission. There have been cracks in their progress... which I liked because it's realistic.

I do think they have given us a few "single Kayla" anvils (alone at Christmas, and Steve disappearing from her dream). But I agree that I'm not sure they add up to anything because of other timing. Interested to see how Friday goes, because today felt a little incoherent to me... like many people were predicting, it played more muddled between infidelity and coercion than last week for me in Steve's reactions. But Kayla didn't react as strongly to what Steve admitted as I would have expected. I'm a little puzzled by both sides of it, and I'm not sure how this plays out as big as it should, given the buildup.

Otherwise today... I'd say Ava looked like a twitchy mess, except somewhere since Jakarta she took the time to iron her hair. I didn't need that flashback, but I think she twigged that the sex didn't mean to Steve what it meant to her. Joey and Theo were my favorites -- so cute. And this Belle/Claire conflict is not working for me.
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Feb 17 2016, 05:06 PM
I think we can link to this. VJ said she met with Albert and Josh about the rape story.

https://twitter.com/soapdigest/status/700078186282016768

I gave the link a thread, hope that's okay. I didn't quote anything.

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Feb 17 2016, 05:26 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:22 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:11 PM
I don't really get why Andre has been wasting all his time with Chase. If he wasn't drugging him or brainwashing him how can he be sure Chase is going to go and rape or hurt Ciara? And how does this help him get Hope for killing Stefano? It's all so contrived. :rolleyes: Why can't they just write character driven stories?
Did Andre want Chase to rape her?
No.
Yea... sounded like he was just trying to convince Chase to try harder to date her. Chase said he had just been sitting back, waiting for her to notice him. Andre told him not to be a jerk, but to show her you want to be with her and would be willing to fight for her to get out of the "friend zone". I didnt get "chase go rape ciara" from the conversation at all.
Edited by elizhope, Feb 17 2016, 05:34 PM.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 17 2016, 03:47 PM
Around the time the Cosgrove stuff leaked, wasn't it said that he said that Chase would stay "for while" after he left? He's recurring. That seems to indicate that he was likely never seen as something long-term. Then again, with Dena more in control, she seems to take Chase away from being troubled/dark and more toward just being misunderstood/quietly crushing on Ciara. She was also building something with Chase and Claire. I get the feeling Dena wanted more for Chase and Griffith wanted to take him this far in the aftermath of the Aiden stuff.

Therein lies the problem, though. Days is really messed up right now because the past 3 months have completely derailed what appeared to be the long-term vision for the show. Griffith is clearly more and more in control now and trying to steer things back toward the original plans while also taking into account some of what has happened and it isn't easy and you could tell today that he expedited the buildup to the rape with the Andre stuff. The foundation was always there for Chase to do something horrible but we just haven't seen that buildup because of Dena. If we had, I don't think we would see Andre involved with Chase and pushing him this way. Andre was basically used to quicken the buildup to get the story to where it was planned to go. The scenes were twisted and even though I am open to this story and have faith with Josh and Beth they can do this story and any story justice, Days is going to REALLY start a huge uproar over this and they really need to come out and address this story somehow in the press and handle the subject matter with care. On the heels of everything that has happened, this is really poorly timed and I don't blame Griffith for that but the show does need to address this publicly and reassure viewers ASAP.

I have thought the entire week has been an improvement. Griffith's influence is becoming more and more prevalent. The ominous feel is back and characters aren't as isolated. We even got a Hope/Shawn scene finally and Bo's death is actually having some beats played again! Some things could use more buildup, like the rape, but that blame lies on Dena Higley and whoever decided to let her take control of this show. If Griffith was allowed to continue leading the stories, we would've gotten fallout from the Fall stories and so much of the past few months would've been better executed and we would've gotten proper buildup to alot of this.
I guess I just really do prefer Higley to Griffith. I don't think she writes good stories because I watched OLTL and I'm pretty sure she was responsible for Nash's corpse and the Jessica regresses to being a teenage story and that sucked. But when she was in control the characters I care about, Eric and Nicole got attention. Once Griffith was back in charge they were pushed back to the back burner. The idea that she tried to salvage Chase also adds to the idea that I would prefer her writing. I detest Griffith and everything he's done to characters I genuinely cared about. I'm not the only one so I assume it is just people that are pro-Griffith that post. I wish more posters that feel like me would put their thoughts out there.

I concede that visually the show was more appealing and the longer scenes for certain characters was well done, but overall I don't like the direction he's taken the show. And it isn't even JUST my Ericole bias either. There are several directions the show has gone in that I genuinely don't like. I like drama; I don't like what DAYS is putting out and has been since Griffith and Higley took over.
I'm more pro-Higley. I just don't say it much cause this board is so pro-Griffith. But I agree with you 100%. plus I'll add that yes my favorites were getting written about and so was Theo's autism. While Griffith is still technically writing for Theo, it's all about couples now. I like Thiara alot but I still want more about just Theo. Hes my favorite teen. I do like that people are more out of their bubbles since he's writing again, but I'm one that wishes that they could work together.
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Feb 17 2016, 05:20 PM
elizhope
Feb 17 2016, 04:39 PM
DaysFan2009
Feb 17 2016, 04:16 PM

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I quoted a post that had restless at the bottom and yours at the top. Half my response was for restless and the other half for you, hence why I addressed you in the part that was meant for you not for Restless. :shrug:

I never said this was an exit story for Chase. The only point Im trying to make is so far, today, we are to believe Chase was not drugged or brainwashed. Thats it. In 4 months they want to show us a flashback that shows he was drugged, ok, but right now nothing points that way and we are supposed to believe Chase was of clear mind.

Andre couldve been feeding Chase food to try to gain his trust and rapport. To get Chase to feel like someone cares for him so Andre could get close to him. I honestly never really thought much about the food thing. Its not like they zoomed in on it with some creepy music to show us the food is somehow bad (?) Plus didnt I read somewhere that even Andre will be surprised at what Chase does?
Thaao did make that comment on AfterBuzz, but the way he speaks in riddles who knows what it really meant. Maybe he is surprised at how successful his plan was? I think most if us can at least agree that no one knows for sure how this will turn out, especially with Aiden's return in the mix. At one point in Salem history it looked like Marlena was a serial killer, until the shocking truth was revealed. Assuming the worst, & a incredibly mixed up & traumatized Chase did do this.... Should he face consequences? Yes.....Do I feel horrible for Ciara? Yes.....Do I think it makes him completely unredeemable? No. Just because his last name is Jennings does not make a completely new set of rules apply to him. If he is unredeemable, then the same should apply to an alive Jack or EJ. If anything, Chase is an even more sympathetic character than those two. They didn't suffer unimaginable trauma & at the very least manipulation by a psychopath. Not necessarily on this board, but I see tons of people rooting for hero Theo to "kick Chase's ass" & even kill him. If Jack were to get a ninth life, should Steve kill him or kick his ass before he is sent off to a prison cell to rot? Steve & Kayla, and Jack & Jen seemed to move past things & exist as a family. I find the double standards incredibly frustrating. Many characters on the show have committed crimes worse than or equal too Aiden & Chase, it seems unfair that a different set of "rules" apply to them & they are labeled unredeemable. I am fairly certain that if DC's return is long term Aiden will be redeemed with an imposter story given the body double, etc., but I'm sure that won't be good enough.it seems that treading on sacred "Bope ground" creates a whole new set of rules for a character.
I do not understand at this point what is left up to interpretation, Chase does rape a 16 old virgin who has never had sex before. EJ and Jack should not be the barometer for comparison. Also, EJ/Jack were both played by very good charismatic actors who could carry a major storyline. I don't see JMc as that type of actor yet. He is a good actor and the best of the teens but he is young and I do not see it yet.

How do you think this redemption is going to play out? Should Ciarra be forced to live in the same house (her home) as her rapist? Should Hope love the father of her childs's rapist. Her character is already ruined with the Rafe crap. Her calling him "Mr. Jennings" after she finds this out...no words. Ciara should never have to look at or be in the same room as this creep every again. ICK!
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I wonder how they're going to get Chase out of this? I feel bad for Ciara. I also have a bad feeling that Theo is going to end up getting hurt.

I can't wait until Ava is dead and gone.

So I wonder if Chad is starting to really believe that Hope killed Stefano and Rafe helped cover it up?
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Feb 17 2016, 05:38 PM
I wonder how they're going to get Chase out of this? I feel bad for Ciara. I also have a bad feeling that Theo is going to end up getting hurt.

I can't wait until Ava is dead and gone.

So I wonder if Chad is starting to really believe that Hope killed Stefano and Rafe helped cover it up?
Theo getting hurt?

I hope Chad begins to think that...Chad get your head out of your ass, I don't want him going all DiMera, I just want him to prove it.
Edited by crookedhalo, Feb 17 2016, 05:43 PM.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:04 PM
Hugo
Feb 17 2016, 04:00 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 03:48 PM
Chase was my favorite teen.I cant justify what has happened with him. He has been ruined. I really liked the young actor and thought he had a lot of potential. Let's face it the writers would rather play the cheap rape card than come up wit anything truly compelling.It's beyond sickening essentially having a child rape another child.
It's sickening but it happens in real life so I suppose it's a good thing that some shows tell those stories. Shoud Days be one of those shows? I don't know. First, it's airing in the middle of the day, a lot of kids might be watching. Second, soap writers work like crazy to produce 250 episodes every year and I don't think they have a lot of time to seek advice about what they write, unlike writers of primetime shows. I think Days should let a show like Law & Order: Special Victims Unit tell those stories because there's a good chance they won't do it right.
Sorry but kids shouldn't be watching it. It's rated that way for a reason..there have been several rapes on Days among other worse things. That's not gonna change.
Doesn't Days have a 14 age rating on it? IMO what was shown today wasn't too graphic for 14 yrs and older. I actually thought it was handled well. They didn't show anything graphic. We'll have to see what airs tomorrow, but today I thought was well done in that a 14 year old could watch it and understand something bad was happening but not be irreparably scarred.

ETA: Oops, I see you did mention the rating, sorry.
Edited by Rosebud, Feb 17 2016, 05:46 PM.
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Feb 17 2016, 03:49 PM
I do question the choice of the Horton house for this as well. Then again, that is a beat they could really play in the years to come with Ciara overcoming this. If Days plays this right, it could be really good even though it is unnecessary. I have confidence in Griffith and Milstein to write a story like this well based on their track record. I just wish we got the right buildup to it but that is Dena Higley for ya.
I really disagree here. Josh and Dena are both HW as equals that means Josh cannot just start controversial story like this before getting an approval from her as well. And if she made clear she is against it he shouldn´t go over her. It seems everybody here loves to blame Higley for everything and always find some excuses for Josh, but I see him just as arrogant and selfish. If he wanted this story so bad he could simply postpone it and do the proper build up instead of forcing it on as soon as he ousts Higley out.
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Feb 17 2016, 04:59 PM
Well, I liked today better than I have most days recently. My only real complaint is that there was too much going on. At least one story should have been saved for a different day.
That seems to be a Josh trait. Too much going on at the same time, never enough room to breath.
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Feb 17 2016, 05:06 PM
I think we can link to this. VJ said she met with Albert and Josh about the rape story.

https://twitter.com/soapdigest/status/700078186282016768
This is what I was just asking for. The show needed to do something public to address this and having VJ come out and do this along with a PSA was a good idea.

I figured this was Josh's story but seeing her mention him cements it. It sucks there was no buildup because of the obvious transition from Dena's stuff but I have confidence that Josh and Beth will handle this well.

VJ did do well today and the scenes with Theo were good and the end was staged well.
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LOL at Andre calling Hope, "the murderous harpy" and Rafe, "her lovelorn poodle." :blulaugh:
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Feb 17 2016, 05:42 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 05:38 PM
I wonder how they're going to get Chase out of this? I feel bad for Ciara. I also have a bad feeling that Theo is going to end up getting hurt.

I can't wait until Ava is dead and gone.

So I wonder if Chad is starting to really believe that Hope killed Stefano and Rafe helped cover it up?
Theo getting hurt?

I hope Chad begins to think that...Chad get your head out of your ass, I don't want him going all DiMera, I just want him to prove it.
I just hope that Chase doesn't go after Theo. I know Theo said that he would hurt Chase if he hurt Ciara.
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