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| Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,105 Views) | |
| Lovejm | Feb 17 2016, 05:58 PM Post #401 |
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It's pretty clear to me that the transition to Josh is happening. He was mentioned for Jordi. Now from VJ. There's been visible edits and additions and things coming back up. The money is a good example. We have heard very little about that in two months and it was all J&M talked about for a month or so. Same with Winterthrone getting movement in the past week. The Victor Caroline Maggie stuff. The change in Chad and Abby. |
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| Ken Adams | Feb 17 2016, 05:59 PM Post #402 |
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I don't like it but I know that rape stories are a common soap staple, but I just wished the person wasn't Ciara. I still see her as that 9 or 10 year old (or whatever she was) from six months ago. Her and Chase are still those cute little kids in my mind. I guess LB's Ciara just gave me a fondness to her that I just don't want anything bad to happen to her character regardless of who the actress is that's playing her.
Edited by Ken Adams, Feb 17 2016, 07:39 PM.
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| esp13 | Feb 17 2016, 05:59 PM Post #403 |
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They are (or were) co-HW. So why do you assume that Josh "forced" this story? Isn't it equally possible that the story was approved (particularly since VJ indicated she spoke to Albert and Josh about "a long time" before it was filmed), and Higley refused to write the build-up for it that was supposed to be there? Why should she be allowed to sabotage a story that was already submitted and, I assume, approved. And the problem with just postponing a story is that I'm pretty sure there are other elements in other stories that have to match up to this one. If you postpone one, you have to change the others. It's not that easy. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Feb 17 2016, 06:04 PM Post #404 |
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Josh isn't perfect either and there were many complaints about him in the Fall over pacing, etc. Granted, the anniversary may have played a huge role in that but still. It's not like this board hasn't had it's share of complaints about Josh when he had control. Maybe Dena should've gotten approval about half the garbage she pedaled in the past 3 months which damaged quite a few characters (Hope, Rafe, Steve, etc). What about the Steve/Ava stuff, which was controversial as well? Maybe she should've asked Josh for his permission on that. If you want to be fair to both sides and say they are "equals," then the same goes for her too. Dena made a power play and didn't give a damn about the stories that deserved fallout when she took over nor did she care about the characters she destroyed. This is by far the worst she has ever been because she wrote with MALICE. IMO she was writing to deliberately piss fans and actors off. The actors who got the worst material seemed to be actors that took issue with her writing in the past? No way is that a coincidence. I'm not making excuses. If it were me, I would've postponed this story and gave it at least a few weeks of buildup. However, the circumstances of this writing transition are not clear. It's obvious the direction is shifting more and more in Griffith's favor but there is still Higley traits in aspects of the writing and maybe they simply couldn't postpone the story for some reason Maybe we are still in a phase where he is rewriting stuff of Dena's and there are specific reasons why this had to happen now. Even if it's his story, there could be compelling reasons. I'm more willing to give someone like him, who has a much better track record of writing character-driven stories and nowhere near the experience of destroying characters and writing garbage, the benefit of the doubt than Dena Higley who is on her third stint writing this show and whose destructive track record at two soaps speaks for itself. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Feb 17 2016, 06:05 PM Post #405 |
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I should've waited because you said this so much better than me. |
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| The Room Stops | Feb 17 2016, 06:08 PM Post #406 |
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Save for the people she thankfully ignored. Sometimes being ignored is a gift. John & Marlena fans thank you for not giving a shit, Higley. Much appreciated. Also WORD to that last paragraph! The difference is that we have experienced Dena's stuff before. There was a campaign that got her fired because it was destructive and just terrible. We don't have that with Griffith. Higley may be a great writer for Y&R or B&B or GH (I mean, I doubt it, bad writing is bad writing). But for DAYS, she isn't. And we don't know enough about Griffith's stuff for DAYS to judge yet. Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 17 2016, 06:09 PM.
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| Rosebud | Feb 17 2016, 06:09 PM Post #407 |
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:mutley: |
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| The Room Stops | Feb 17 2016, 06:10 PM Post #408 |
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Where's the lie? ;) THAT was the creepiest part of that year and a half. Roman and Sami. |
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| Rosebud | Feb 17 2016, 06:13 PM Post #409 |
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I have no idea. That's why the whole thing is confusing. What exactly does Andre think he's doing with Chase?
What did he want Chase to do? None of it makes sense. |
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| anzu | Feb 17 2016, 06:13 PM Post #410 |
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Meh, at this point, group project gets one grade in my opinion because I have no way of distinguishing who said and wrote and decided what when conclusively. If Dena chose not to write the build up for the storyline Josh planned, boohoo, because all I see as a regular viewer is what the "writers" think logically follows. If Josh couldn't tell that tacking on his storyline to the end of Dena's poorly packed wagon would elicit a whole lot of backlash (I really hope he anticipated the backlash at least because good god social media has been ugly today) I haven't any more confidence in him than I do Dena (if she is as against being a team player as this board says). We shall see from the fall out how this all plays out in the long run. So far, Dena can't write a story any better than Josh can pace one is what I'm getting from this regime :shrug: |
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| Lovejm | Feb 17 2016, 06:14 PM Post #411 |
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Honestly your first paragraph. Ignoring them was a gift. And a slow reintroduction back into their story last week and Monday is fine by me. |
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| Rosebud | Feb 17 2016, 06:16 PM Post #412 |
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What did he want him to do? Spit in her soda? Trip her? And why does he want Chase to do anything? :drunk: |
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| CrayCray | Feb 17 2016, 06:16 PM Post #413 |
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I feel like Josh has a stronger sense of what he wants the show to be tonally. His vision for Days is pretty dark and a bit morbid. I can actually get behind all the tension in scenes and the heavier, more ominous feel. Especially if they insert the sort of humor that was in this episode or the lightness of characters like Theo and Gabi to occasionally break all that tension. Things always feel like they're leading and building to something. However, I really want more romance and comedy on the show. It desperately needs that. The pacing is awful. Certain things take too long and other beats aren't played out at all. If you're going to have all this darkness (murder of legacy characters, men being tortured hostages, pregnant women kidnapped, and teen rape) then you need to really play out the aftermath of that. The show really fails there. But while it's not perfect, it's an improvement. Dena is just all over the place. The show is too messy and sloppy. Every headwriter has pets and favorite characters they prefer to write for and find to be more compelling, but she just fawns all over her's. ETA: I feel like Chase wasn't a fully sketched character at all. I never cared about him because he never seemed to have any sort of presence or a real role on the show. The convos with Andre began to shape him in my own mind as a young man who was preoccupied with trying to fight his own twisted and dark impulses. He wanted to be a nice guy for the sake of Ciara and other's perceptions. But, Andre really fostered his worst qualities and he probably really wanted that outlet to act out and take what he wanted. It was rushed, but not badly done. Edited by CrayCray, Feb 17 2016, 06:20 PM.
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| Rosebud | Feb 17 2016, 06:18 PM Post #414 |
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Or they have nothing to replace it with at the moment? |
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| The Room Stops | Feb 17 2016, 06:19 PM Post #415 |
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That is part of what felt very different. Things mattered. It felt like there was structure and purpose, things would be mentioned and then picked up later. It for sure does need romance, but then... I've not seen a genuine romance I really liked since... like Nick and Chelsea, so I'll take well written darkness over "shitty attempts at romance that destroys characters and a show I love". They need a Eugene type. They really do. |
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| Rosebud | Feb 17 2016, 06:20 PM Post #416 |
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Conspiracy to commit a crime. |
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| The Room Stops | Feb 17 2016, 06:28 PM Post #417 |
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They would probably rather do five cheap talk shows than a soap, if there was no real interest in keeping it. It doesn't give them much revenue, it's too much effort for something they actually don't want to do, so I'm inclined to believe that they actually do want to keep them. On their terms, of course, but still. And of course, there are people who want DAYS to go far, far away, but there are some fighting for it. But not because they couldn't put something else on the air or because they make so much money on it. So there's a little hope :D They do need to re-evaluate how they handle things surrounding their soap though, because that needs some improving. Like... overhaul style. Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 17 2016, 06:30 PM.
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| PetrovaSalvatore | Feb 17 2016, 06:29 PM Post #418 |
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.
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You guys are too much!! :roflol: :roflol: |
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| ssedai2 | Feb 17 2016, 06:31 PM Post #419 |
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Almost Alpha
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I like the actor, too. |
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| The Room Stops | Feb 17 2016, 06:31 PM Post #420 |
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And the crime is "Boring me to death". |
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