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Wednesday, February 17th episode discussion
Topic Started: Feb 16 2016, 07:14 PM (29,104 Views)
granolagirl
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#SorryNotSorry

Oh, the other thing today that was funny/frustrating was Kayla and Steve catching Roman up on the last forty-seven twists in the Ava story. Bubbles be gone.
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lysie
Feb 17 2016, 03:54 PM
I understand that this story could absolutely end up sucking, but I don't understand all the"what's wrong with these writers" comments. They're writing a rape story. They didn't do it accidentally (like I suspect they may have done with Ava). It's a common soap story.
For me, it's not the story necessarily because you are correct: It's a common soap story.

What is going on in my head is that I am simply exhausted from watching all the heaviness on this show. I need a break from it or better balance.
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granolagirl
Feb 17 2016, 06:38 PM
Oh, the other thing today that was funny/frustrating was Kayla and Steve catching Roman up on the last forty-seven twists in the Ava story. Bubbles be gone.
That may have been the best thing. It was only one character and only one conversation, but suddenly someone else is involved. And Joey got to talk to Theo (although I realize he hasn't been in quite the same bubble).

And I did giggle at all the information conveyed in like two lines . . . Ava's not dying, she said we had a kid together, Kayla was kidnapped to make sure I'd go find the kid. Other than that, pretty normal around here.
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The boy saw the comet and he felt as though his life had meaning.

It's sad when I have to constantly have to remind myself that FauxRo and Kayla are related.
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KweenBoda
Feb 17 2016, 12:00 PM
Has anyone at all heard a rumor that none of this Andre/Hope/Rafe stuff has happened that it is ALL in Hope's mind because she has already lost it and is in a mental hospital..or something to that effect?
I hoping it goes something like that.
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granolagirl
Feb 17 2016, 06:38 PM
Oh, the other thing today that was funny/frustrating was Kayla and Steve catching Roman up on the last forty-seven twists in the Ava story. Bubbles be gone.
And the shaaaaaade!
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PetrovaSalvatore
Feb 17 2016, 06:42 PM
It's sad when I have to constantly have to remind myself that FauxRo and Kayla are related.
It's because he just doesn't belong. I constantly have to remind myself that John was NOT Roman. Because he fit in like a glove.
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Feb 17 2016, 05:34 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 17 2016, 03:47 PM
Around the time the Cosgrove stuff leaked, wasn't it said that he said that Chase would stay "for while" after he left? He's recurring. That seems to indicate that he was likely never seen as something long-term. Then again, with Dena more in control, she seems to take Chase away from being troubled/dark and more toward just being misunderstood/quietly crushing on Ciara. She was also building something with Chase and Claire. I get the feeling Dena wanted more for Chase and Griffith wanted to take him this far in the aftermath of the Aiden stuff.

Therein lies the problem, though. Days is really messed up right now because the past 3 months have completely derailed what appeared to be the long-term vision for the show. Griffith is clearly more and more in control now and trying to steer things back toward the original plans while also taking into account some of what has happened and it isn't easy and you could tell today that he expedited the buildup to the rape with the Andre stuff. The foundation was always there for Chase to do something horrible but we just haven't seen that buildup because of Dena. If we had, I don't think we would see Andre involved with Chase and pushing him this way. Andre was basically used to quicken the buildup to get the story to where it was planned to go. The scenes were twisted and even though I am open to this story and have faith with Josh and Beth they can do this story and any story justice, Days is going to REALLY start a huge uproar over this and they really need to come out and address this story somehow in the press and handle the subject matter with care. On the heels of everything that has happened, this is really poorly timed and I don't blame Griffith for that but the show does need to address this publicly and reassure viewers ASAP.

I have thought the entire week has been an improvement. Griffith's influence is becoming more and more prevalent. The ominous feel is back and characters aren't as isolated. We even got a Hope/Shawn scene finally and Bo's death is actually having some beats played again! Some things could use more buildup, like the rape, but that blame lies on Dena Higley and whoever decided to let her take control of this show. If Griffith was allowed to continue leading the stories, we would've gotten fallout from the Fall stories and so much of the past few months would've been better executed and we would've gotten proper buildup to alot of this.
I guess I just really do prefer Higley to Griffith. I don't think she writes good stories because I watched OLTL and I'm pretty sure she was responsible for Nash's corpse and the Jessica regresses to being a teenage story and that sucked. But when she was in control the characters I care about, Eric and Nicole got attention. Once Griffith was back in charge they were pushed back to the back burner. The idea that she tried to salvage Chase also adds to the idea that I would prefer her writing. I detest Griffith and everything he's done to characters I genuinely cared about. I'm not the only one so I assume it is just people that are pro-Griffith that post. I wish more posters that feel like me would put their thoughts out there.

I concede that visually the show was more appealing and the longer scenes for certain characters was well done, but overall I don't like the direction he's taken the show. And it isn't even JUST my Ericole bias either. There are several directions the show has gone in that I genuinely don't like. I like drama; I don't like what DAYS is putting out and has been since Griffith and Higley took over.
I'm more pro-Higley. I just don't say it much cause this board is so pro-Griffith. But I agree with you 100%. plus I'll add that yes my favorites were getting written about and so was Theo's autism. While Griffith is still technically writing for Theo, it's all about couples now. I like Thiara alot but I still want more about just Theo. Hes my favorite teen. I do like that people are more out of their bubbles since he's writing again, but I'm one that wishes that they could work together.
I would have liked more focus on how Theo dealt with autism. I don't really think they've done a good job with that, but they are soap writers and don't really have any idea how to write it I imagine.
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Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 17 2016, 03:47 PM
Around the time the Cosgrove stuff leaked, wasn't it said that he said that Chase would stay "for while" after he left? He's recurring. That seems to indicate that he was likely never seen as something long-term. Then again, with Dena more in control, she seems to take Chase away from being troubled/dark and more toward just being misunderstood/quietly crushing on Ciara. She was also building something with Chase and Claire. I get the feeling Dena wanted more for Chase and Griffith wanted to take him this far in the aftermath of the Aiden stuff.

Therein lies the problem, though. Days is really messed up right now because the past 3 months have completely derailed what appeared to be the long-term vision for the show. Griffith is clearly more and more in control now and trying to steer things back toward the original plans while also taking into account some of what has happened and it isn't easy and you could tell today that he expedited the buildup to the rape with the Andre stuff. The foundation was always there for Chase to do something horrible but we just haven't seen that buildup because of Dena. If we had, I don't think we would see Andre involved with Chase and pushing him this way. Andre was basically used to quicken the buildup to get the story to where it was planned to go. The scenes were twisted and even though I am open to this story and have faith with Josh and Beth they can do this story and any story justice, Days is going to REALLY start a huge uproar over this and they really need to come out and address this story somehow in the press and handle the subject matter with care. On the heels of everything that has happened, this is really poorly timed and I don't blame Griffith for that but the show does need to address this publicly and reassure viewers ASAP.

I have thought the entire week has been an improvement. Griffith's influence is becoming more and more prevalent. The ominous feel is back and characters aren't as isolated. We even got a Hope/Shawn scene finally and Bo's death is actually having some beats played again! Some things could use more buildup, like the rape, but that blame lies on Dena Higley and whoever decided to let her take control of this show. If Griffith was allowed to continue leading the stories, we would've gotten fallout from the Fall stories and so much of the past few months would've been better executed and we would've gotten proper buildup to alot of this.
I guess I just really do prefer Higley to Griffith. I don't think she writes good stories because I watched OLTL and I'm pretty sure she was responsible for Nash's corpse and the Jessica regresses to being a teenage story and that sucked. But when she was in control the characters I care about, Eric and Nicole got attention. Once Griffith was back in charge they were pushed back to the back burner. The idea that she tried to salvage Chase also adds to the idea that I would prefer her writing. I detest Griffith and everything he's done to characters I genuinely cared about. I'm not the only one so I assume it is just people that are pro-Griffith that post. I wish more posters that feel like me would put their thoughts out there.

I concede that visually the show was more appealing and the longer scenes for certain characters was well done, but overall I don't like the direction he's taken the show. And it isn't even JUST my Ericole bias either. There are several directions the show has gone in that I genuinely don't like. I like drama; I don't like what DAYS is putting out and has been since Griffith and Higley took over.
Ron Carlivati wrote all of those stories. If there'd been more camp and an undertone that it's just Chase's way of showing love, I might have thought he wrote those scenes...
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What a depressing mess. I am so desensitized to all the murder, killings, funerals and rapes. The writers could set Marlena, Jennifer, and Caroline on fire in the town square and I'd yawn. These are desperate morbid stunts. These aren't stories. I barely effing know this new Ciara. And now she's being raped. Yawn. This show is so thirsty. It's embarrassing.

Tomsell, I miss you. Good god.
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Feb 17 2016, 06:51 PM
granolagirl
Feb 17 2016, 06:38 PM
Oh, the other thing today that was funny/frustrating was Kayla and Steve catching Roman up on the last forty-seven twists in the Ava story. Bubbles be gone.
And the shaaaaaade!
Actually, the best shade (as pointed out by granolagrl on twitter) was Kayla's line of "it's not even original. She tried it and it didn't work last time, why would she think it would work this time?"

Intentional or not, that's an absolutely honest assessment of Dena Higley and this story.
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CarlD2
Feb 17 2016, 06:56 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM
PhoenixRising05
Feb 17 2016, 03:47 PM
Around the time the Cosgrove stuff leaked, wasn't it said that he said that Chase would stay "for while" after he left? He's recurring. That seems to indicate that he was likely never seen as something long-term. Then again, with Dena more in control, she seems to take Chase away from being troubled/dark and more toward just being misunderstood/quietly crushing on Ciara. She was also building something with Chase and Claire. I get the feeling Dena wanted more for Chase and Griffith wanted to take him this far in the aftermath of the Aiden stuff.

Therein lies the problem, though. Days is really messed up right now because the past 3 months have completely derailed what appeared to be the long-term vision for the show. Griffith is clearly more and more in control now and trying to steer things back toward the original plans while also taking into account some of what has happened and it isn't easy and you could tell today that he expedited the buildup to the rape with the Andre stuff. The foundation was always there for Chase to do something horrible but we just haven't seen that buildup because of Dena. If we had, I don't think we would see Andre involved with Chase and pushing him this way. Andre was basically used to quicken the buildup to get the story to where it was planned to go. The scenes were twisted and even though I am open to this story and have faith with Josh and Beth they can do this story and any story justice, Days is going to REALLY start a huge uproar over this and they really need to come out and address this story somehow in the press and handle the subject matter with care. On the heels of everything that has happened, this is really poorly timed and I don't blame Griffith for that but the show does need to address this publicly and reassure viewers ASAP.

I have thought the entire week has been an improvement. Griffith's influence is becoming more and more prevalent. The ominous feel is back and characters aren't as isolated. We even got a Hope/Shawn scene finally and Bo's death is actually having some beats played again! Some things could use more buildup, like the rape, but that blame lies on Dena Higley and whoever decided to let her take control of this show. If Griffith was allowed to continue leading the stories, we would've gotten fallout from the Fall stories and so much of the past few months would've been better executed and we would've gotten proper buildup to alot of this.
I guess I just really do prefer Higley to Griffith. I don't think she writes good stories because I watched OLTL and I'm pretty sure she was responsible for Nash's corpse and the Jessica regresses to being a teenage story and that sucked. But when she was in control the characters I care about, Eric and Nicole got attention. Once Griffith was back in charge they were pushed back to the back burner. The idea that she tried to salvage Chase also adds to the idea that I would prefer her writing. I detest Griffith and everything he's done to characters I genuinely cared about. I'm not the only one so I assume it is just people that are pro-Griffith that post. I wish more posters that feel like me would put their thoughts out there.

I concede that visually the show was more appealing and the longer scenes for certain characters was well done, but overall I don't like the direction he's taken the show. And it isn't even JUST my Ericole bias either. There are several directions the show has gone in that I genuinely don't like. I like drama; I don't like what DAYS is putting out and has been since Griffith and Higley took over.
Ron Carlivati wrote all of those stories. If there'd been more camp and an undertone that it's just Chase's way of showing love, I might have thought he wrote those scenes...
Well then maybe Higley isn't so bad. I wonder what stories she wrote on OLTL that people hated so much.
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Feb 17 2016, 07:11 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 06:56 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM

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Ron Carlivati wrote all of those stories. If there'd been more camp and an undertone that it's just Chase's way of showing love, I might have thought he wrote those scenes...
Well then maybe Higley isn't so bad. I wonder what stories she wrote on OLTL that people hated so much.
I know one she wrote was Todd's rape by Margaret. A story she's then attempted to repeat twice on Days. They've been hated every single time.
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esp13
Feb 17 2016, 07:10 PM
Actually, the best shade (as pointed out by granolagrl on twitter) was Kayla's line of "it's not even original. She tried it and it didn't work last time, why would she think it would work this time?"

Intentional or not, that's an absolutely honest assessment of Dena Higley and this story.
That's the one I read on twitter! I just wished I'd had sunglasses so I could Horatio Cane the moment ;)

The best shade isn't too obvious, but yet clear cut.
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Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 06:56 PM
I would have liked more focus on how Theo dealt with autism. I don't really think they've done a good job with that, but they are soap writers and don't really have any idea how to write it I imagine.
Um, that character aspect was created by Higley in 2008. Because her son has autism.
Edited by The Room Stops, Feb 17 2016, 07:19 PM.
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Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 07:11 PM
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Feb 17 2016, 06:56 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 04:37 PM

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Ron Carlivati wrote all of those stories. If there'd been more camp and an undertone that it's just Chase's way of showing love, I might have thought he wrote those scenes...
Well then maybe Higley isn't so bad. I wonder what stories she wrote on OLTL that people hated so much.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, she had Todd raped by a crazy lady named Margaret. I think she then became pregnant and was murdered. Todd was then convicted and put on death row. I think Todd was exonerated (his heart had to be restarted) at the last minute because Margaret was actually alive or some bullshit.

It's been a long while since that story aired, so my memory may be a bit off, but I think it went down something like that. In some respects, it's very similar similar to the Steve/Ava stuff.

And to be fair, I wasn't an "online" fan at that time, so I don't know how it went down with other fans, but it was pretty demented, IMO.

EDIT: Or what esp said when I was typing.
Edited by cord08, Feb 17 2016, 07:20 PM.
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cord08
Feb 17 2016, 07:19 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 07:11 PM
CarlD2
Feb 17 2016, 06:56 PM

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Well then maybe Higley isn't so bad. I wonder what stories she wrote on OLTL that people hated so much.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, she had Todd raped by a crazy lady named Margaret. I think she then became pregnant and was murdered. Todd was then convicted and put on death row. I think Todd was exonerated (his heart had to be restarted) at the last minute because Margaret was actually alive or some bullshit.

It's been a long while since that story aired, so my memory may be a bit off, but I think it went down something like that. In some respects, it's very similar similar to the Steve/Ava stuff.

And to be fair, I wasn't an "online" fan at that time, so I don't know how it went down with other fans, but it was pretty demented, IMO.

EDIT: Or what esp said when I was typing.
Yeah, I didn't mind that story at all.
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Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 07:23 PM
cord08
Feb 17 2016, 07:19 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 07:11 PM

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Well, if I'm not mistaken, she had Todd raped by a crazy lady named Margaret. I think she then became pregnant and was murdered. Todd was then convicted and put on death row. I think Todd was exonerated (his heart had to be restarted) at the last minute because Margaret was actually alive or some bullshit.

It's been a long while since that story aired, so my memory may be a bit off, but I think it went down something like that. In some respects, it's very similar similar to the Steve/Ava stuff.

And to be fair, I wasn't an "online" fan at that time, so I don't know how it went down with other fans, but it was pretty demented, IMO.

EDIT: Or what esp said when I was typing.
Yeah, I didn't mind that story at all.
Different strokes for different folks. :shrug:

I will say that I thought TSJ gave some of his best performances as Todd story during that SL, though.
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Feb 17 2016, 07:18 PM
Jasminemg
Feb 17 2016, 06:56 PM
I would have liked more focus on how Theo dealt with autism. I don't really think they've done a good job with that, but they are soap writers and don't really have any idea how to write it I imagine.
Um, that character aspect was created by Higley in 2008. Because her son has autism.
Yeah, you would think she'd be able to write it better. But she didn't. Or someone didn't. At least not in my opinion. Someone should have consulted a sped teacher...I won't claim expertise, but I do have an idea of how to write a good autism story.
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Bellarke <3

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Feb 17 2016, 05:10 PM
lysie
Feb 17 2016, 04:03 PM
There's bloody bandages upstairs. Chad, when you buy a house, make sure the previous occupants take out the damn trash.
I think they seriously need new staffing in the Dimera mansion.
Well, the staff hasn't been paid yet. :D
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